Hello Everyone, I've heard that putting an onion under your pillow can
induce spirit communication via dreams? Can someone please confirm if
this is true or false? Is there an easy way to contact one's spirit
guides, nature spirits, or other entities?  I want to contact a spirit
that brings good money luck.  Any strategies would be greatly
appreciated.....

Hi. I'm new here. Just wanted to comment that Gerina Dunwich's
alternative explanation for the Three Fold Law, with which I have
always disagreed completely (why not two-fold? Why not six-fold?), now
makes utter sense to me--i.e., "that whatever we do on a physical,
mental, or spiritual level will sooner or later affect us, in either a
positive or a negative way, on all three levels of being."

Now I get it.

Let the shopping begin.
As a special thanks to all the people who have supported
Points of Light, Long Beach
we now extend our once a year
BIG YULE SALE.

$1.00 -$30.00.... Save 10%
$31.00 - $60.00... Save 15%
$61.00 +... Save 20%

This sale last all month, it is store wide (except Pena/ Windstone
items).
This is an in-house sale only.  Shop till you drop on books, jewelry,
tarot card,
runes, robes, cloaks, blades, cauldrons, drums, stones, wands and so
much more.
Give the gifts that keep on giving throughout the year.
Blessed be,
Points of Light
4358 Stearns street,
Long Beach, Ca
562-985-3388
just of the Lakewood south exit on the 405 freeway!



Points of Light
Everything metaphysical in nature!
   www.pointsoflight.com <http://www.pointsoflight.com/>


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i used to live in long beach i also used to live in aneheim, santa anna, san
diego, oceanside and las angeles we moved alot but now i live in tempe arizona
and have lived here sence i was nine i like it here although i have to admit i
miss disneyland and the beach but i go back and visit every once and awhile.
            faerieprincess




________________________________
From: Crystal <neithspell@...>
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 9:19:38 PM
Subject: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Yule Sale 2008


Let the shopping begin.
As a special thanks to all the people who have supported
Points of Light, Long Beach
we now extend our once a year
BIG YULE SALE.

$1.00 -$30.00.... Save 10%
$31.00 - $60.00... Save 15%
$61.00 +... Save 20%

This sale last all month, it is store wide (except Pena/ Windstone
items).
This is an in-house sale only. Shop till you drop on books, jewelry,
tarot card,
runes, robes, cloaks, blades, cauldrons, drums, stones, wands and so
much more.
Give the gifts that keep on giving throughout the year.
Blessed be,
Points of Light
4358 Stearns street,
Long Beach, Ca
562-985-3388
just of the Lakewood south exit on the 405 freeway!

Points of Light
Everything metaphysical in nature!
www.pointsoflight. com <http://www.pointsof light.com/>

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Merry Meet,

  I am Eldrith Lothlorien. I have been apart of the Craft since I was
about thirteen years of age. Tradition has run in my family for
decades, and it suddenly stopped with my Mother. She decided that she
was going to stop a long line of Practioners, and end the "Evil". I was
dabbling in my Grandmothers belongings (I know, not nice), when I came
across her Book of Shadows. I know now, that I should not have looked,
but then it was harmless. I asked her about it, and that is when I
was "Introduced" to the Craft. I have loved it ever since. The sense of
enlightenment, and the fullfilling qualities have brought my life a
wonderful array of happiness. If you would like to learn anything
further about me, you know how to locate me.

ELB - Eldritch Lothlorien Bard

This years Yule Ritual will be held at The Kona located at
16278 S Pacific Coast Highway in Huntington Beach.
We will start at 6:00pm.  This is a nice restaurant with
great food so come hungry!  We will do a gift exchange.
Please bring a wrapped gift that cost between $10.00
and $13.00 to the ritual.  Children are welcome until
10:00pm.  We have the back two rooms.  I really hope
to see you all there.  There will be live entertainment
and a full bar.

Blessed Be, Rhapsody

http://www.konahb.com


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Greetings
It has been easier for you because it came from generation. What
about the rest of us who have to keep witchcraft a secret and is
alone in this. I love the craft too, but I need some guidance from
someone experienced. Most people just want your money to teach you. I
do know that it should'nt be bought.
--- In
GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, "eldritch.lothlorienbard"
<eldritch.lothlorienbard@...> wrote:
>
> Merry Meet,
>
>  I am Eldrith Lothlorien. I have been apart of the Craft since I
was
> about thirteen years of age. Tradition has run in my family for
> decades, and it suddenly stopped with my Mother. She decided that
she
> was going to stop a long line of Practioners, and end the "Evil". I
was
> dabbling in my Grandmothers belongings (I know, not nice), when I
came
> across her Book of Shadows. I know now, that I should not have
looked,
> but then it was harmless. I asked her about it, and that is when I
> was "Introduced" to the Craft. I have loved it ever since. The
sense of
> enlightenment, and the fullfilling qualities have brought my life a
> wonderful array of happiness. If you would like to learn anything
> further about me, you know how to locate me.
>
> ELB - Eldritch Lothlorien Bard
>

Good Day,
   In some circumstances, I understand that when practicing a Craft
such as this, it becomes apparent that it needs to be kept a secret.
In a way society looks at it as "Evil", and others see it as another
Religion. With regards to the fact of keeping it secret, it mainly
pertains to the practitioner. If you must keep it secret, always
remember you are "NOT ALONE". There are many people whom must keep it
at a distance because of family, and or other prying eyes. Just
remember as long as you have your own connection to your chosen
Deity, and the Lord and Lady, then that is all that matters. You can
be a solitary practitioner, and still keep your spirit pure. I agree
with the fact of being taught the Craft should not be bought. Those
who wish to recieve payment, are not in their true minds, and are in
my opinion, far less of a practitioner than anyone else. One thing I
can tell you is that if you need help with anything, I am here to do
just that. No questions asked, no money needed.

ELB

--- In GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, "serahbalgobin"
<serahbalgobin@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings
> It has been easier for you because it came from generation. What
> about the rest of us who have to keep witchcraft a secret and is
> alone in this. I love the craft too, but I need some guidance from
> someone experienced. Most people just want your money to teach you.
I
> do know that it should'nt be bought.
> --- In
> GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, "eldritch.lothlorienbard"
> <eldritch.lothlorienbard@> wrote:
> >
> > Merry Meet,
> >
> >  I am Eldrith Lothlorien. I have been apart of the Craft since I
> was
> > about thirteen years of age. Tradition has run in my family for
> > decades, and it suddenly stopped with my Mother. She decided that
> she
> > was going to stop a long line of Practioners, and end the "Evil".
I
> was
> > dabbling in my Grandmothers belongings (I know, not nice), when I
> came
> > across her Book of Shadows. I know now, that I should not have
> looked,
> > but then it was harmless. I asked her about it, and that is when
I
> > was "Introduced" to the Craft. I have loved it ever since. The
> sense of
> > enlightenment, and the fullfilling qualities have brought my life
a
> > wonderful array of happiness. If you would like to learn anything
> > further about me, you know how to locate me.
> >
> > ELB - Eldritch Lothlorien Bard
> >
>

Greetings
 
Thank you! I know that magick has many different paths and I know that there's
no one way to do magick. I want to start the practical side of it. I have began
to read books. In your opinion, can you tell me what my first practical step
should be and how?
 
Serah




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Greetings,

   Well, first things first. You said you have begun to read books.
Ok, that is great. Most do not even take that step. What you need to
ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
more reading is needed. If you think you are more than ready, then
what you do is basically ask yourself another question. Are you able
to devote yourself to your craft? Can you make a full commitment,
within limitations becuase of your situation of course? If so, then
you are able to begin.

ELB

PS. I am limiting my answers as to give you enough justation period
to ask yourselves these questions. Be honest with yourself.

--- In GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, Serah Balgobin
<serahbalgobin@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings
>  
> Thank you! I know that magick has many different paths and I know
that there's no one way to do magick. I want to start the practical
side of it. I have began to read books. In your opinion, can you tell
me what my first practical step should be and how?
>  
> Serah
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I am confused by the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do as ye will." Is this a
part of your belief system? If so, how am I supposed to know if something I am
doing hurts someone or not?

Don

<http://s4.tinypic.com/25k32n8.jpg>    Merry meet ELB, Let us
understand what you mean when you say "it should not be bought". This is
what you say but in you next posting you have said to "read books".
These books must surely be bought. Many people who spend their time
bringing you the informations and teachings of WitchCraft, take this
time out of their lives from jobs and family, and should be compensated
or paid for their efforts and knowledge. They have families to feed and
shelter the same as anyone does. Also, Psychics who spend hours a day
doing divinations for others should be paid for their services the same
as people who work on jobs and serve you in the public. I believe that
indeed the knowledge of withcrafts should be bought. As you must know
that Gerina Dunwich has written many books on the subject and we don't
hesitate a minute to purchase them. What are your thoughts on this
subject? Can you clarify what you meant exactly about " being bought"?
Lady Allyssum Wildercraft Blessed be, Blessed Goddess.





--- In GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, "eldritch.lothlorienbard"
<eldritch.lothlorienbard@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Well, first things first. You said you have begun to read books.
> Ok, that is great. Most do not even take that step. What you need to
> ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
> more reading is needed. If you think you are more than ready, then
> what you do is basically ask yourself another question. Are you able
> to devote yourself to your craft? Can you make a full commitment,
> within limitations becuase of your situation of course? If so, then
> you are able to begin.
>
> ELB
>
> PS. I am limiting my answers as to give you enough justation period
> to ask yourselves these questions. Be honest with yourself.
>
> --- In GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, Serah Balgobin
> serahbalgobin@ wrote:
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Thank you! I know that magick has many different paths and I know
> that there's no one way to do magick. I want to start the practical
> side of it. I have began to read books. In your opinion, can you tell
> me what my first practical step should be and how?
> >
> > Serah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>




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What you need to
> ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
> more reading is needed.

My main thought here is that while I have always been suspicious of people who
"don't need a bunch of old books to show them how to do magic." I used to run
into a lot of "street poets" who felt the same way.

My critique for both is the same; while a natural talent for magic/poetry may
exist within you -- and in fact I suspect *must* already be there -- without
knowledge of the lives and efforts and methods of your forebears, you will
forever be limited in your artistic/magical response to the world, as if you
only used a half inch of the bandwidth available to you on your FM dial. All
those other channels are the but you don't know it because you don't need books!

ON THE OTHER HAND, it is possible to go for years feeling "more reading is
needed." Reading occult books is one of life's great pleasures, to me anyway. I
wish somebody would take some time and write some critiques of how well written
some books are. They all have their own charms, but some more so than others.

Point being, you can get sucked into that and just stay there and never
progress. Being an armchair magician is not the same thing as dancing a jig at
the crossroads under the full moon!

Don

I am ready for that commitment that's why I ask for the guidance. I have tried
sometime ago to just go about my life but it keeps drawing me back. I believe
that this universe is such a beautiful place with all its mysteries and wonders.
I believe that there's more to this vastness. Please help.

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, eldritch.lothlorienbard <eldritch.lothlorienbard@...>
wrote:

From: eldritch.lothlorienbard <eldritch.lothlorienbard@...>
Subject: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Practical Questions and Practical Answers.
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:50 PM






Greetings,

Well, first things first. You said you have begun to read books.
Ok, that is great. Most do not even take that step. What you need to
ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
more reading is needed. If you think you are more than ready, then
what you do is basically ask yourself another question. Are you able
to devote yourself to your craft? Can you make a full commitment,
within limitations becuase of your situation of course? If so, then
you are able to begin.

ELB

PS. I am limiting my answers as to give you enough justation period
to ask yourselves these questions. Be honest with yourself.

--- In GerinaDunwichsCauld ron@yahoogroups. com, Serah Balgobin
<serahbalgobin@ ...> wrote:
>
> Greetings
>  
> Thank you! I know that magick has many different paths and I know
that there's no one way to do magick. I want to start the practical
side of it. I have began to read books. In your opinion, can you tell
me what my first practical step should be and how?
>  
> Serah
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


















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Well said, and I am ready to dance the jig!!

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Don Lee <donthepoet@...> wrote:

From: Don Lee <donthepoet@...>
Subject: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Re: book larnin' vs. the other kind
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 6:36 AM






What you need to
> ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
> more reading is needed.

My main thought here is that while I have always been suspicious of people who
"don't need a bunch of old books to show them how to do magic." I used to run
into a lot of "street poets" who felt the same way.

My critique for both is the same; while a natural talent for magic/poetry may
exist within you -- and in fact I suspect *must* already be there -- without
knowledge of the lives and efforts and methods of your forebears, you will
forever be limited in your artistic/magical response to the world, as if you
only used a half inch of the bandwidth available to you on your FM dial. All
those other channels are the but you don't know it because you don't need books!

ON THE OTHER HAND, it is possible to go for years feeling "more reading is
needed." Reading occult books is one of life's great pleasures, to me anyway. I
wish somebody would take some time and write some critiques of how well written
some books are. They all have their own charms, but some more so than others.

Point being, you can get sucked into that and just stay there and never
progress. Being an armchair magician is not the same thing as dancing a jig at
the crossroads under the full moon!

Don


















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Greetings,
 
  My wording is not meant to be a discouragable thing. The words are meant to
comfort and supply those whom seek the knowledge to do so. I do not claim to not
"read" books. On the contrary, I read them on a daily basis. If you read, then
you learn something new every day. I am here to help. She called out to me for
help, and I answered. The best way to show someone if they are ready or not, is
to ask them if they feel comfortable with the fact of themselves. Example : If a
teenager reads a book on depression, do they have depression? Despite the fact
of depression exsisting in everyone, do they read and feel the same as the
author describes? If so, then they think they have it. Otherwise, they will just
put the book down when done, and proclaim a good read. The same can not be
judged by the Craft. If you read a book, and connect with what the book is
describing on a spirtual level, then the answer is clear. It is not a matter of
being "an armchair
  magician" or even "dancing a jigg at the crossroads under a full moon". Both
examples are pure insight, and thus should not be used to describe one person.
We all have our moments of both.
 
Basically, all I am saying is that though my "tradition" has been passed down,
it is not to say, that she can not begin one of her own, and teach her children
and so on and so forth. Practice and Learning is needed just as much in
Traditional means, than to un-traditional practitioners.
 
ELB

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Don Lee <donthepoet@...> wrote:

From: Don Lee <donthepoet@...>
Subject: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Re: book larnin' vs. the other kind
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 6:36 AM






What you need to
> ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
> more reading is needed.

My main thought here is that while I have always been suspicious of people who
"don't need a bunch of old books to show them how to do magic." I used to run
into a lot of "street poets" who felt the same way.

My critique for both is the same; while a natural talent for magic/poetry may
exist within you -- and in fact I suspect *must* already be there -- without
knowledge of the lives and efforts and methods of your forebears, you will
forever be limited in your artistic/magical response to the world, as if you
only used a half inch of the bandwidth available to you on your FM dial. All
those other channels are the but you don't know it because you don't need books!

ON THE OTHER HAND, it is possible to go for years feeling "more reading is
needed." Reading occult books is one of life's great pleasures, to me anyway. I
wish somebody would take some time and write some critiques of how well written
some books are. They all have their own charms, but some more so than others.

Point being, you can get sucked into that and just stay there and never
progress. Being an armchair magician is not the same thing as dancing a jig at
the crossroads under the full moon!

Don


















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Greetings,
 
   Yes, I am sorry for the miscommunication. By "it should not be bought", I
mean that you should not have to pay someone to teach you. Buying the books and
the supplies and tools, are one thing, but to pay someone to teach you, what you
could learn in books, is not really a suitable way to learn. I understand there
are some online courses some could take in order to increase their knowledge,
but I for one, do nor agree with them. The Craft is a way to learn from your own
doing. If you had someone teach you, then what is the point of learning the
Craft to begin with? The Craft is a practical one, and as such, we should all
learn on our own, or with the help of un-paid, people.
 
The writters who write the books, do so out of courtesy, yes they want money,
but that is not the sole purpose for doing so. They want to help spread the
knowledge, and if they gain money, then so be it. They are helping others, and
by doing such, they help themselves.
 
ELB

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Allyssum Wildercraft <allyssum99@...> wrote:

From: Allyssum Wildercraft <allyssum99@...>
Subject: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Re: Practical Questions and Practical
Answers.
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 5:41 AM






<http://s4.tinypic. com/25k32n8. jpg> Merry meet ELB, Let us
understand what you mean when you say "it should not be bought". This is
what you say but in you next posting you have said to "read books".
These books must surely be bought. Many people who spend their time
bringing you the informations and teachings of WitchCraft, take this
time out of their lives from jobs and family, and should be compensated
or paid for their efforts and knowledge. They have families to feed and
shelter the same as anyone does. Also, Psychics who spend hours a day
doing divinations for others should be paid for their services the same
as people who work on jobs and serve you in the public. I believe that
indeed the knowledge of withcrafts should be bought. As you must know
that Gerina Dunwich has written many books on the subject and we don't
hesitate a minute to purchase them. What are your thoughts on this
subject? Can you clarify what you meant exactly about " being bought"?
Lady Allyssum Wildercraft Blessed be, Blessed Goddess.

--- In GerinaDunwichsCauld ron@yahoogroups. com, "eldritch.lothlorie nbard"
<eldritch.lothlorie nbard@... > wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Well, first things first. You said you have begun to read books.
> Ok, that is great. Most do not even take that step. What you need to
> ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
> more reading is needed. If you think you are more than ready, then
> what you do is basically ask yourself another question. Are you able
> to devote yourself to your craft? Can you make a full commitment,
> within limitations becuase of your situation of course? If so, then
> you are able to begin.
>
> ELB
>
> PS. I am limiting my answers as to give you enough justation period
> to ask yourselves these questions. Be honest with yourself.
>
> --- In GerinaDunwichsCauld ron@yahoogroups. com, Serah Balgobin
> serahbalgobin@ wrote:
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Thank you! I know that magick has many different paths and I know
> that there's no one way to do magick. I want to start the practical
> side of it. I have began to read books. In your opinion, can you tell
> me what my first practical step should be and how?
> >
> > Serah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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Greetings,
 
  Ok, since you have read the books, and made the commitment, now you should
follow your own heart to tell you what you should do. The path is always
different for every person, and therefore you should not be told what to do, but
you should listen to what the Lady and Lord are telling you. But, for helpings
sake, the first thing you should do, is meditate, and greet the Lord and Lady,
and ask for guidance along your begining path. This may take up to a few times
to actually complete. They have to earn your trust, and vice versa. It is a two
way street, and if you don't abide by what they represent, then there is no
going further. After you do that, you need to create a Name, or just use your
real name as a way for them to recognize you. Then, read about solitary
initiation rituals, and gather the supplies. When you are ready, then proceed.
The Craft is a learning process, and it needs to be kept so. Never think that
you know all, and you will be
  blessed. The best time to do the ritual is on a full moon, or even on a new
moon. A new moon is better, as it is the begining of a full moon, and thus will
increase the "magickal" setting, and feeling. However, you can do this at any
time.
 
ELB

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Serah Balgobin <serahbalgobin@...> wrote:

From: Serah Balgobin <serahbalgobin@...>
Subject: Re: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Practical Questions and Practical
Answers.
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:18 PM






I am ready for that commitment that's why I ask for the guidance. I have tried
sometime ago to just go about my life but it keeps drawing me back. I believe
that this universe is such a beautiful place with all its mysteries and wonders.
I believe that there's more to this vastness. Please help.

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, eldritch.lothlorien bard <eldritch.lothlorien bard@yahoo.
com> wrote:

From: eldritch.lothlorien bard <eldritch.lothlorien bard@yahoo. com>
Subject: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Practical Questions and Practical Answers.
To: GerinaDunwichsCauld ron@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:50 PM

Greetings,

Well, first things first. You said you have begun to read books.
Ok, that is great. Most do not even take that step. What you need to
ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
more reading is needed. If you think you are more than ready, then
what you do is basically ask yourself another question. Are you able
to devote yourself to your craft? Can you make a full commitment,
within limitations becuase of your situation of course? If so, then
you are able to begin.

ELB

PS. I am limiting my answers as to give you enough justation period
to ask yourselves these questions. Be honest with yourself.

--- In GerinaDunwichsCauld ron@yahoogroups. com, Serah Balgobin
<serahbalgobin@ ...> wrote:
>
> Greetings
>  
> Thank you! I know that magick has many different paths and I know
that there's no one way to do magick. I want to start the practical
side of it. I have began to read books. In your opinion, can you tell
me what my first practical step should be and how?
>  
> Serah
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Greetings,
 
  The Wiccan Crede is exactly what it stands for. Meaning that you should follow
what it says, no matter how angry, upset, tired, you get. The "An ye harm none,
do what ye will" basically is a standered for what we believe. It means, no use
of "black arts" or us of monetary gain. Lets say you cast a spell to gain
riches. Well, first off, you are able to do it within bounds. Second, what you
revieve in payment (money), someone else looses. That is the way of the
Universe. Also, the "An ye harm none, do what ye will" stands for Karma. Abide
by "What ye send forth comes back to thee, so ever mind the law of three".
Meaning the Threefold law. If you take money from someone then someone will take
three times as much. This is just an example, not saying that it would actually
happen. So, to answer your question, if you think it would harm someone, then
odds are it will.
 
ELB

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Don Lee <donthepoet@...> wrote:

From: Don Lee <donthepoet@...>
Subject: Re: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Practical Questions and Practical
Answers.
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:21 PM






I am confused by the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do as ye will." Is this a
part of your belief system? If so, how am I supposed to know if something I am
doing hurts someone or not?

Don


















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I feel the same way. From time to time I find this enormous enthusiasm for my
magickal practice, only to be drawn away from it by mundane workaday life. But
then, later, after whatever temporary crisis happens goes away, I eventually
always feel this tugging back toward the Old Religion. It' s wonderful in the
sense I see this is my True Will, but very frustrating in the sense I have a
feeling of having wasted YEARS going back and forth, and remain very low on the
Totem Pole of Magickal Practice.

Again, and here I'm talking out of my butt somewhat, because I'm not ordained or
authorized or ratified or reified or anything else, but my suggestion, for what
it's worth, is just that you find some specific practices, however "small," that
you can happily and willingly do day in and day out, that form a sort of solid
foundation for your magickal life. I have an altar dedicated to a particular set
of spirits/deities, and I go to it every single day, sometimes multiply, just to
converse, check in, re-attune, however you want to think of it. It is no big
glamorous thing, no Hollywood effort, but it keeps me feeling that at least I
*am* serious enough to at least make the Old Religion a real part of my life,
however small. Because what you do every day is who you are. And if the
urge/opportunity presents itself, I do buy books, get on online groups,
whatever.

Just don't let it get you down if you feel like you "backslide" too much.
Everybody does that. You just gotta keep your eye on the prize whenever you can,
and in between, have your routines that keep you connected.

IMHO.

Don





















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Blessings to you for your guidance and understanding

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Eldritch Lothlorien Bard
<eldritch.lothlorienbard@...> wrote:

From: Eldritch Lothlorien Bard <eldritch.lothlorienbard@...>
Subject: Re: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Re: book larnin' vs. the other kind
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 6:21 PM






Greetings,
 
  My wording is not meant to be a discouragable thing. The words are meant to
comfort and supply those whom seek the knowledge to do so. I do not claim to not
"read" books. On the contrary, I read them on a daily basis. If you read, then
you learn something new every day. I am here to help. She called out to me for
help, and I answered. The best way to show someone if they are ready or not, is
to ask them if they feel comfortable with the fact of themselves. Example : If a
teenager reads a book on depression, do they have depression? Despite the fact
of depression exsisting in everyone, do they read and feel the same as the
author describes? If so, then they think they have it. Otherwise, they will just
put the book down when done, and proclaim a good read. The same can not be
judged by the Craft. If you read a book, and connect with what the book is
describing on a spirtual level, then the answer is clear. It is not a matter of
being "an armchair
magician" or even "dancing a jigg at the crossroads under a full moon". Both
examples are pure insight, and thus should not be used to describe one person.
We all have our moments of both.
 
Basically, all I am saying is that though my "tradition" has been passed down,
it is not to say, that she can not begin one of her own, and teach her children
and so on and so forth. Practice and Learning is needed just as much in
Traditional means, than to un-traditional practitioners.
 
ELB

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Don Lee <donthepoet@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Don Lee <donthepoet@yahoo. com>
Subject: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Re: book larnin' vs. the other kind
To: GerinaDunwichsCauld ron@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 6:36 AM

What you need to
> ask yourself is if you think you are ready? If the answer is no, then
> more reading is needed.

My main thought here is that while I have always been suspicious of people who
"don't need a bunch of old books to show them how to do magic." I used to run
into a lot of "street poets" who felt the same way.

My critique for both is the same; while a natural talent for magic/poetry may
exist within you -- and in fact I suspect *must* already be there -- without
knowledge of the lives and efforts and methods of your forebears, you will
forever be limited in your artistic/magical response to the world, as if you
only used a half inch of the bandwidth available to you on your FM dial. All
those other channels are the but you don't know it because you don't need books!

ON THE OTHER HAND, it is possible to go for years feeling "more reading is
needed." Reading occult books is one of life's great pleasures, to me anyway. I
wish somebody would take some time and write some critiques of how well written
some books are. They all have their own charms, but some more so than others.

Point being, you can get sucked into that and just stay there and never
progress. Being an armchair magician is not the same thing as dancing a jig at
the crossroads under the full moon!

Don

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I took your meaning very well and don't mean to say anything at cross-purposes
here. Not at all. This is an interesting group. Forgive me if I give a false
impression. It has just been a long time since I interacted with a group that
seemed to be talking about significant issues, and not the usual fluff banter of
online groups. I am a bookaholic and have had to learn there is more to Ye Arte
Magickal than reading about it.

The argument I have seen that I wholeheartedly agree with, which is a principle
of the Feri lineage (and many others doubtless) is that if you take someone on
as a true student, they are basically at that point family, and you would not
charge family to train them in the family line of work, which in this case is
the Craft, so no, you don't charge people for your guidance that is leading them
further along the Path.

"It means, no use of "black arts" or us of monetary gain. "

Well, to be straight up, I'm not sure what exactly is meant by "An' it harm
none, do as ye will," and I'm not sure how anybody else knows either. Likewise
on the "monetary gain" aspect. Why not? Because it harms people to charge them
for services honestly rendered?

Merry Meet All Happy Holidays,
 Just wanted to say I would'nt trade My Library for anything! It has always been
a Teacher and a guide when no other was around! But Practice and Personnell
insite are what makes Witchcraft such a beautiful and UNique Craft to The user! 
I like to Put It This way when ye have a Recepie You are following the seasoned
cooked always adds his or her Own  Ingrediants to make it theres ! Hope I added
something to Help!  Blessed Be Ptah5
                          






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As it would be, I did not take what you said as "cross". I was merely discussing
my side of things. Everything that is being said, is basically opinions at best.
They are in no means to be taken to heart, unless you agree with them.

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Don Lee <donthepoet@...> wrote:

From: Don Lee <donthepoet@...>
Subject: Re: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Re: book larnin' vs. the other kind
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 7:11 PM






I took your meaning very well and don't mean to say anything at cross-purposes
here. Not at all. This is an interesting group. Forgive me if I give a false
impression. It has just been a long time since I interacted with a group that
seemed to be talking about significant issues, and not the usual fluff banter of
online groups. I am a bookaholic and have had to learn there is more to Ye Arte
Magickal than reading about it.


















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"An' it harm none, do as ye will..." basically means that if you feel it will
hurt someone in some, way, then you should not do it. The law of three applies.
Learning should not be paid for. We all can learn via trial and error, and as
such, should not be paid for. Schooling for a carrer is one thing, but a life
inposition such as Witchcraft, should not be paid for, unless you are willing to
pay the amount. What can you learn from them, that you can not learn on your
own?

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Don Lee <donthepoet@...> wrote:

From: Don Lee <donthepoet@...>
Subject: Re: Gerina Dunwich's Cauldron Practical Questions and Practical
Answers.
To: GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 7:06 PM






"It means, no use of "black arts" or us of monetary gain. "

Well, to be straight up, I'm not sure what exactly is meant by "An' it harm
none, do as ye will," and I'm not sure how anybody else knows either. Likewise
on the "monetary gain" aspect. Why not? Because it harms people to charge them
for services honestly rendered?


















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This site should help.  Here is the link.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_stat1.htm

And here is what it says on the web page.

1. We practice rites to attune ourselves with the natural rhythm of
life forces marked by the phases of the Moon and the seasonal
Quarters and Cross Quarters.

2. We recognize that our intelligence gives us a unique
responsibility towards our environment. We seek to live in harmony
with Nature, in ecological balance offering fulfillment to life and
consciousness within an evolutionary concept.

3. We acknowledge a depth of power far greater than that is apparent
to the average person. Because it is far greater than ordinary it is
sometimes called "supernatural", but we see it as lying within that
which is naturally potential to all.

4. We conceive of the Creative Power in the universe as manifesting
through polarity-as masculine and feminine-and that this same
Creative Power lies in all people, and functions through the
interaction of the masculine and feminine. We value neither above the
other, knowing each to be supportive of the other. We value sex as
pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the
sources of energies used in magickal practice and religious worship.

5. We recognize both outer and inner, or psychological, worlds --
sometimes known as the Spiritual World, the Collective Unconscious,
Inner Planes, etc. -- and we see in the interaction of these two
dimensions the basis for paranormal phenomena and magickal exercises.
We neglect neither dimension for the other, seeing both as necessary
for our fulfillment.

6. We do not recognize any authoritarian hierarchy, but do honor
those who teach, respect those who share their greater knowledge and
wisdom, and acknowledge those who have courageously given of
themselves in leadership.

7. We see religion, magick and wisdom-in-living as being united in
the way one views the world and lives within it -- a world view and
philosophy of life which we identify as Witchcraft, the Wiccan Way.

8. Calling oneself "Witch" does not make a Witch -- but neither does
heredity itself, nor the collecting of titles, degrees and
initiations. A Witch seeks to control the forces within her/himself
that make life possible in order to live wisely and well without harm
to others and in harmony with Nature.

9. We believe in the affirmation and fulfillment of life in a
continuation of evolution and development of consciousness, that
gives meaning to the Universe we know, and our personal role within
it.

10. Our only animosity towards Christianity, or toward any other
religion or philosophy of life, is to the extent that its
institutions have claimed to be "the only way," and have sought to
deny freedom to others and to suppress other ways of religious
practice and belief.

11. As American Witches, we are not threatened by debates on the
history of the Craft, the origins of various terms, the origins of
various aspects of different traditions. We are concerned with our
present and our future.

12. We do not accept the concept of absolute evil, nor do we worship
any entity known as "Satan" or "the Devil", as defined by Christian
tradition. 4 We do not seek power through the suffering of others,
nor do we accept that personal benefit can be derived only by denial
to another.

13. We believe that we should seek within Nature that which is
contributory to our health and well-being.

Shelly

--- In GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, Don Lee
<donthepoet@...> wrote:
>
> I am confused by the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do as ye will."
Is this a part of your belief system? If so, how am I supposed to
know if something I am doing hurts someone or not?
>
> Don
>

I agree with you.  I think this kind of tradition should be handed
down from those who have been taught by others.  I have had to learn
much on my own from books but I also have memories from my past life
and also my spirit guide to teach me.

Groups like these are also great.  :)

Shelly

--- In GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, "serahbalgobin"
<serahbalgobin@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings
> It has been easier for you because it came from generation. What
> about the rest of us who have to keep witchcraft a secret and is
> alone in this. I love the craft too, but I need some guidance from
> someone experienced. Most people just want your money to teach you.
I
> do know that it should'nt be bought.
> --- In
> GerinaDunwichsCauldron@yahoogroups.com, "eldritch.lothlorienbard"
> <eldritch.lothlorienbard@> wrote:
> >
> > Merry Meet,
> >
> >  I am Eldrith Lothlorien. I have been apart of the Craft since I
> was
> > about thirteen years of age. Tradition has run in my family for
> > decades, and it suddenly stopped with my Mother. She decided that
> she
> > was going to stop a long line of Practioners, and end the "Evil".
I
> was
> > dabbling in my Grandmothers belongings (I know, not nice), when I
> came
> > across her Book of Shadows. I know now, that I should not have
> looked,
> > but then it was harmless. I asked her about it, and that is when
I
> > was "Introduced" to the Craft. I have loved it ever since. The
> sense of
> > enlightenment, and the fullfilling qualities have brought my life
a
> > wonderful array of happiness. If you would like to learn anything
> > further about me, you know how to locate me.
> >
> > ELB - Eldritch Lothlorien Bard
> >
>

I am seeing a few posts that mention these areas and this one inviting
those to join locally.

I would love to get together with others for Wiccan holidays in my
area.  I am in Detroit, Michigan.

Thanks.

Shelly