Hi
I joined this group a few months ago but never posted.   I am looking for
Forte's and Cardillo's from Formia area.   My grandmother and grandfather moved
to France and wanted to stay there but could not get permanent residence.  They
went back to Italy and eventually settled in Waltham Ma in 1905. 
Grandfather-Alessandro, grandmother - Antonia.  Any information would be
welcome.

Marie

Morning Group,

I'm wondering if anyone in the Group with CANNELLAs in their ancestry during the
last half of the 1800's has been contacted by a French company named
Coutot-Roehrig regarding a supposed estate left in France by two women nee
CANNELLA.

We have and the representatives of this company who have been in touch with us,
for the most part, have only spoken in generalities or regurgitated information
that is available to anyone via public trees.

So, I'm curious to see if others with CANNELLA in their lines have been
contacted.  My paternal grandmother was a CANNELLA before marriage.

Linda

Thanks Domenic.

My post was more out of curiosity to see how many Cannella or Cannella
descendants this company might have contacted.

I wasn't directly contacted but my elderly cousin was.  I'm not sure how they
found him since his surname is Cellemme not Cannella.  I suspect maybe this
company & their minions have been harvesting information from publically
available sources such as trees at Ancestry & RootsWeb as well as Ancestry
databases of public records.

My thoughts are that perhaps they found my cousin through his granddaughter's
family tree which linked Cannella to Fornaro, then then a Fornaro daughter born
in France while the mother & her 1st child waited for dad to get out of Italy -
this was 1892 - 1893 when I understand there was a quota in place limiting the
number of people who could leave during a given time frame.  Then that French
born daughter later married a Cellemme.

With the Itrani records on film ending in 1865, I'd have to find out who the
grandparents of Francesco "Tony" were since his father Domenic would have been
born after the filmed records end, to try and see if he was directly related to
my line of Cannella"s or another of the Cannella lines in Itri.

I keep hoping to run into some more Cannella"s who share direct ancestors with
me but so far no luck.  It appears as if in my line of Cannella's,  maybe only
my grandmother nee Cannella came over with my grandfather.  And for reasons that
will never be known by me, they settled on Federal Hill rather than
Knightsville.

Linda
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "Domenic Livoli" <dlivoli@...> wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
>
>
> I know that in January of this year that Francesco "Tony" Cannella passed
> away in Cranston.  He was a great guy.  Very poetic and devoted and had a
> lot of ties back in Itri.  You can maybe try calling his son Domenic who I
> believe lives in Scituate.  Tony's father was Domenic "Mimi" Cannella who
> was bedridden for many years and Mimi's wife was Rosalba ("Yola") and both
> are deceased.  They were related to me through my grandmother's Ciccone
> side.  If Domenic does not know, then his aunts are in Cranston may know.
> Agnes DeLuca  married to Salvatore DeLuca or Cladia Ciccarelli married to
> Angelo Ciccarelli.  All are in Cranston.
>
>
>
> http://www.nardolillofh.com/obituaries.aspx?cat=Cannella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Domenic Livoli
>
> Livoli Estimating Service
>
> 24 Juniper Road
>
> Upton, MA  01568-1481
>
> Tel.  (508) 529-0362
>
> Fax: (508) 529-0384
>
> Email:  <mailto:dlivoli@...> dlivoli@...
>
>  <http://www.livoli.com/>
>
>   _____
>
> From: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Linda
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] CANNELLA: Itri > France > US / RI
>
>
>
>
>
> Morning Group,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone in the Group with CANNELLAs in their ancestry during
> the last half of the 1800's has been contacted by a French company named
> Coutot-Roehrig regarding a supposed estate left in France by two women nee
> CANNELLA.
>
> We have and the representatives of this company who have been in touch with
> us, for the most part, have only spoken in generalities or regurgitated
> information that is available to anyone via public trees.
>
> So, I'm curious to see if others with CANNELLA in their lines have been
> contacted. My paternal grandmother was a CANNELLA before marriage.
>
> Linda
>

 

Thanks Domenic.

My post was more out of curiosity to see how many Cannella or Cannella descendants this company might have contacted.

I wasn't directly contacted but my elderly cousin was. I'm not sure how they found him since his surname is Cellemme not Cannella. I suspect maybe this company & their minions have been harvesting information from publically available sources such as trees at Ancestry & RootsWeb as well as Ancestry databases of public records.

My thoughts are that perhaps they found my cousin through his granddaughter's family tree which linked Cannella to Fornaro, then then a Fornaro daughter born in France while the mother & her 1st child waited for dad to get out of Italy - this was 1892 - 1893 when I understand there was a quota in place limiting the number of people who could leave during a given time frame. Then that French born daughter later married a Cellemme.

With the Itrani records on film ending in 1865, I'd have to find out who the grandparents of Francesco "Tony" were since his father Domenic would have been born after the filmed records end, to try and see if he was directly related to my line of Cannella"s or another of the Cannella lines in Itri.

I keep hoping to run into some more Cannella"s who share direct ancestors with me but so far no luck. It appears as if in my line of Cannella's, maybe only my grandmother nee Cannella came over with my grandfather. And for reasons that will never be known by me, they settled on Federal Hill rather than Knightsville.

Linda
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "Domenic Livoli" <dlivoli@...> wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
>
>
> I know that in January of this year that Francesco "Tony" Cannella passed
> away in Cranston. He was a great guy. Very poetic and devoted and had a
> lot of ties back in Itri. You can maybe try calling his son Domenic who I
> believe lives in Scituate. Tony's father was Domenic "Mimi" Cannella who
> was bedridden for many years and Mimi's wife was Rosalba ("Yola") and both
> are deceased. They were related to me through my grandmother's Ciccone
> side. If Domenic does not know, then his aunts are in Cranston may know.
> Agnes DeLuca married to Salvatore DeLuca or Cladia Ciccarelli married to
> Angelo Ciccarelli. All are in Cranston.
>
>
>
> http://www.nardolillofh.com/obituaries.aspx?cat=Cannella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Domenic Livoli
>
> Livoli Estimating Service
>
> 24 Juniper Road
>
> Upton, MA 01568-1481
>
> Tel. (508) 529-0362
>
> Fax: (508) 529-0384
>
> Email: <mailto:dlivoli@...> dlivoli@...
>
> <http://www.livoli.com/>
>
> _____
>
> From: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Linda
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] CANNELLA: Itri > France > US / RI
>
>
>
>
>
> Morning Group,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone in the Group with CANNELLAs in their ancestry during
> the last half of the 1800's has been contacted by a French company named
> Coutot-Roehrig regarding a supposed estate left in France by two women nee
> CANNELLA.
>
> We have and the representatives of this company who have been in touch with
> us, for the most part, have only spoken in generalities or regurgitated
> information that is available to anyone via public trees.
>
> So, I'm curious to see if others with CANNELLA in their lines have been
> contacted. My paternal grandmother was a CANNELLA before marriage.
>
> Linda
>

Thanks for the words to the wise Paul.

"Yes it could be a legitimate organization, however someone may be using the
company name for cover and may not have anything to do with the business it
represents"  This was my initial reaction as well but after some exchanges, I'm
leaning towards an actual company gone bad or maybe always has been bad but
never caught red handed.

I've considered this a scam right from the get-go when my cousin's granddaughter
contacted me about my elderly cousin having been approached by this
Coutot-Roehrig company.

I've done a bit of digging and have been having fun playing with them.

They are evasive, speak only in generalities, keep trying to pump us for info on
other family members aka heirs and tell us nothing that isn't readily available
publically on line.   Ah, but after we sign a contract then they'll tell us what
we seek.

Oh and I love that they want us to sign a power of attorney over to them as well
supposedly so that they can effect any sales of property in the estate, deal
with notaries in France on our behalf, etc.  I don't know whether to laugh at
how ludicrous that is or be insulted that C-R would actually think/hope we're
that stupid.

I tested them with a red herring or two and they failed.  They spun those bits
around and fed them back to my cousin's granddaughter in part, to try and
leverage her and her aunt, who has power of attorney for my elderly cousin, into
trusting them.  Too bad for them that my cousin's granddaughter & his daughter
already knew about the red herrings and were just waiting to see if
Coutot-Roehrig regurgitated those bits back to them.

Maybe C-R is hoping we're naive or greedy or a bit of both.  I especially liked
the email to my cousin's granddaughter where C-R tried to get him onboard by
telling them that many of the heirs had already signed contracts with them.

Let's see...Coutot-Roehrig keeps trying to pump her (and me) for info on the
family members aka heirs, have sent her a partial tree/list of family members
they have for our family which we know not only came from on line sources rather
than any bonafide research they may have done but is incomplete, contains errors
and omits some individuals.  As evidenced by their failed attempts to sucker us
into divulging information on those members, C-R obviously knows nothing about
our branch of the family other than what is on line.  Mever the less,
Coutot-Roehrig has stated to my cousin's granddaughter that those heirs have
already signed contracts.

Or maybe Coutot-Roehrig meant the descendants of the "brother" have signed
contracts except again, C-R knows nothing about this Cannella man and has also
been trying to pump us for information beyond what is on line for him & his
family.


This supposed brother of our female ancestor - my grandmother nee Cannella who
is the ancestor that is supposed to be the linking heir from two women who were
supposedly her sisters and the originators of this supposed estate, isn't my
grandmother's brother at all.

In looking at what Coutot-Roehrig fed my cousin's granddaughter about this
Cannella man, it was clear to me that everything they had on him came from a
series of posts I'd done back 2005 - 06 on him when I was looking at him as a
possible nephew to my grandmother.  Back then, I was hoping to find this
Cannella man's father & hoping that father was a sibling to my grandmother.

In the interim since those posts, I've found siblings for my grandmother as well
as having found this Cannella man's father.  His father was born 4 years before
my great-grandparents married so this Cannella man's father definately isn't one
of my grandmother's brothers.

And this Cannella man I'd posted on certainly isn't a brother to my grandmother
as Coutot-Roehrig claims him to be because my great-grandmother would have been
64 yrs old the year this guy was born.

All in all, it's a fairly sophisticated scam but still a scam.  I've been
entertaining myself yanking Coutot-Roehrig's chain but it's become stale and
I've better things to do so won't be dealing with them any more.  Both my
cousin's granddaughter and his daughter have also added the C-R addys to their
blocked lists and stopped bothering with them.

In posting here, I was just curious to learn if Coutot-Roehrig had tried to scam
any other Cannella family lines with this same story...two Cannella women
originally from Itri lived & died in France, their direct descendants left no
heirs so inheritance then switches to the siblings of these two women aka my
grandmother & her descendants and the Cannella man Coutot-Roehrig erroneously
thinks, apparently because of my old posts, is a brother to my grandmother and
his descendants.

BTW Paul, in my direct line I have a Caterena Capotosto b. abt. 1754 (not on the
1754 catasto, this yr figured from age at death) d. 7 May 1819 married to a
Pompeo Cardi.  Does she show up in your Capotosto"s?

Linda


--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, Paul Capotosto <paul.capotosto@...> wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> I have been in Law Enforcement for 26+ years and have seen many fall prey to
> these offers, don't let your judgement become clouded.
> I would bet this is a scam, so be very careful as I would strongly suggest you
> do not "Verify your personal financial Information" to them and do not for any
> reason provide "GOOD FAITH" money to secure rights to an estate.
>
> Yes it could be a legitimate organization, however someone may be using the
> company name for cover and may not have anything to do with the business it
> represents.
>
> DO YOUR HOMEWORK, please
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>

 

Hi Jason,   My problem is I don't know who there may have been in my family past 1865 other than my grandmothr and a younger brother, Benedetto Fornaro, of my grandfather's who also came to RI & settled on the Hill.     I sure do wish there was some way to access from this side of the Atlantic to those records in the basement of San Michelarchangelo that you mentioned gaining access to one time on an Itri trip.     Linda --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Jason <jsoscia3@...> wrote: From: Jason <jsoscia3@...> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: CANNELLA: Itri > France > US / RI To: "FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com" <FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 9:26 PM   Linda you might have to go to  Itri town hall to get any records after 1865 Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2011, at 9:18 PM, "Linda" <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:   Thanks Domenic. My post was more out of curiosity to see how many Cannella or Cannella descendants this company might have contacted. I wasn't directly contacted but my elderly cousin was. I'm not sure how they found him since his surname is Cellemme not Cannella. I suspect maybe this company & their minions have been harvesting information from publically available sources such as trees at Ancestry & RootsWeb as well as Ancestry databases of public records. My thoughts are that perhaps they found my cousin through his granddaughter's family tree which linked Cannella to Fornaro, then then a Fornaro daughter born in France while the mother & her 1st child waited for dad to get out of Italy - this was 1892 - 1893 when I understand there was a quota in place limiting the number of people who could leave during a given time frame. Then that French born daughter later married a Cellemme. With the Itrani records on film ending in 1865, I'd have to find out who the grandparents of Francesco "Tony" were since his father Domenic would have been born after the filmed records end, to try and see if he was directly related to my line of Cannella"s or another of the Cannella lines in Itri. I keep hoping to run into some more Cannella"s who share direct ancestors with me but so far no luck. It appears as if in my line of Cannella's, maybe only my grandmother nee Cannella came over with my grandfather. And for reasons that will never be known by me, they settled on Federal Hill rather than Knightsville. Linda --- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "Domenic Livoli" <dlivoli@...> wrote: > > Linda, > > > > I know that in January of this year that Francesco "Tony" Cannella passed > away in Cranston. He was a great guy. Very poetic and devoted and had a > lot of ties back in Itri. You can maybe try calling his son Domenic who I > believe lives in Scituate. Tony's father was Domenic "Mimi" Cannella who > was bedridden for many years and Mimi's wife was Rosalba ("Yola") and both > are deceased. They were related to me through my grandmother's Ciccone > side. If Domenic does not know, then his aunts are in Cranston may know. > Agnes DeLuca married to Salvatore DeLuca or Cladia Ciccarelli married to > Angelo Ciccarelli. All are in Cranston. > > > > http://www.nardolillofh.com/obituaries.aspx?cat=Cannella > > > > > > > > Domenic Livoli > > Livoli Estimating Service > > 24 Juniper Road > > Upton, MA 01568-1481 > > Tel. (508) 529-0362 > > Fax: (508) 529-0384 > > Email: <mailto:dlivoli@...> dlivoli@... > > <http://www.livoli.com/> > > _____ > > From: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Linda > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:02 AM > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FraDiavolo] CANNELLA: Itri > France > US / RI > > > > > > Morning Group, > > I'm wondering if anyone in the Group with CANNELLAs in their ancestry during > the last half of the 1800's has been contacted by a French company named > Coutot-Roehrig regarding a supposed estate left in France by two women nee > CANNELLA. > > We have and the representatives of this company who have been in touch with > us, for the most part, have only spoken in generalities or regurgitated > information that is available to anyone via public trees. > > So, I'm curious to see if others with CANNELLA in their lines have been > contacted. My paternal grandmother was a CANNELLA before marriage. > > Linda >

My father was born in Itri, in 1913. I have many family members from this are
and would love to know more about their history and how to go about finding it.
FATHER: John Picano
GRANDFATHER: Michael Archangelo Picano
PATERNAL GREAT GRANDFATHER: Giovanni Picano
PATERNAL GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Maria Mingiara
PATERNAL GREAT-GREAT

GRANDMOTHER: Rosina Arzano
MATERNAL GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Teresina Forgiorgio
MATERNAL GREAT GRANDFATHER: Bernado Arzano
MATERNAL GREAT-GREAT GRANDFATHER: Alesandro Arzano
MATERNAL GREAT-GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Filomena Capatosta

Anyone out there recognize these names? Do I contact the town hall in Itri to
find out more information? Is there an address or email address for that
information or possible records online?

Any information would be of help,

Mary Anne Picano Huck

 

I have the Itri records on file at the LDS in Stonington, CT. Are you in the New England area?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: J Soscia <jsoscia3@...>
To: FraDiavolo <FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] new to this site

 

I think we all recognize those last names  :-)

 

You should seriously go to the local LDS center (mormon church).   If you know your great great grandparents, the LDS will probably have their birth records on microfilm (probably before 1865) and you can go backwards to 1809 from there.  You can also check their website familysearch.org, but you will get more info thru the microfilms.  You could call the Itri town hall if you speak good Italian.  They have the records there too, going back to about 1809.  They also have the records after the 1860s.  The LDS only has from about 1809 to about 1865.  It would be easier I think to just order microfilm from the Mormon church and go through it yourself.  The Itri records are way down in the basement in that town hall and stacked every which way all dusty and some falling apart.  If I had the money I'd take a trip back there again just to clean and organize everything down there for them.

 

From: mahuck57 <maryannehuck@...>
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: [FraDiavolo] new to this site

 

My father was born in Itri, in 1913. I have many family members from this are and would love to know more about their history and how to go about finding it.
FATHER: John Picano
GRANDFATHER: Michael Archangelo Picano
PATERNAL GREAT GRANDFATHER: Giovanni Picano
PATERNAL GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Maria Mingiara
PATERNAL GREAT-GREAT

GRANDMOTHER: Rosina Arzano
MATERNAL GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Teresina Forgiorgio
MATERNAL GREAT GRANDFATHER: Bernado Arzano
MATERNAL GREAT-GREAT GRANDFATHER: Alesandro Arzano
MATERNAL GREAT-GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Filomena Capatosta

Anyone out there recognize these names? Do I contact the town hall in Itri to find out more information? Is there an address or email address for that information or possible records online?

Any information would be of help,

Mary Anne Picano Huck

Are any of you guys on Facebook?

There is a new group on Facebook called :

We Love Itri, Sperlonga, Gaeta and Formia


This is a Group for all those who were born in, love, live in or have visted
this beautiful area of South Lazio.

Also for those who would really like to visit it one day.

Also for those who have family and ancestors who came from this region.

There is a New Group on Facebook called :

Let's discover Campodimele and The Natural Park of Aurunci Montains

Please feel free to join !!!

It's been pretty quite here but I'm wondering if anyone has anything on Maria
Civita SACCOCCIO, b. & d. unknown for the present.

A family member living overseas vacationed in Itri and obtained the birth atto
for our ancestor Maria Rachele CANNELLA.

Without access to records past 31 Dec 1865, we in the family originally
though(but couldn't prove) that Maria Teresa CARDI, wife of Luigi CANNELLA, was
Rachele's mother

It now appears that Luigi CANNELLA (b. 17 Mar 1821 Itri & d. Aft. 1868 Itri) had
two wives:  Maria Teresa CARDI whom he married 08 Sep 1849 in San
Michelarcangelo, Itri and the newly discovered Maria Civita SACCOCCIO, mother of
Rachele.


As of 31 Dec 1865, date of the last of the Itrani records available  to us on
FHL films, Luigi was still married to Maria Teresa CARDI(b. 05 Feb 1822 Itri)
with whom he had the following children:

Antonio b. 12 Jul 1851
Giuseppe Maria Orazio b. 05 Jun 1854
Francesco b. 21 Feb 1858
Maria Teresa b. 23 Dec 1861


Sometime after 31 Dec 1865, Maria Teresa Cardi must have died.

Based on the DOB of Luigi's daughter Rachele of 27 Jan 1869, Itri,  Luigi must
have married 2nd wife Maria Civita SACCOCCIO sometime around or before May 1868.

Does anyone have Maria Civita SACCOCCIO in their tree?

Linda