Dear Itrani Descendents,
I hope you are all well and that this group is still active in research and
discussion on our common village of origin. As you can see I am a new member,
quite late to the party it seems, but not too late I trust?
My name is Paul Capotosto, I reside in New York and have been told my family
came from Itri. As a member of ancestry.com I have uncovered more than I ever
expected on the history and lineage of the Capotosto name. It gave me many
answers but also created many questions, and I sincerely anticipate that some of
the members of this group can be of assistance.
I began sporadic research about 5 years ago through the Ellis Island website,
and as time permitted I found more sites and uncovered quite a bit of material.
I have to say it can seem overwhelming but I truly enjoy the discovery aspect.

So here is my question, do any of you have a connection to Raffaele Capotosto
b.1845'ish married to Maria Antonia Di Fabrici (Fabrizio, Fabritius) in Itri,
Sep 1866?

I have read that you may have the 1754 Catasta for Itri, sorry I did not learn
of this group sooner or I would have joined you in the purchase, I just
purchased a copy that I must translate; I did however locate about 10 Capotosto
families there at the time. I can't seem to link them up to my family tree as of
yet. But I believe the answer is out there and one day I will hopefully find it.

I would like to thank all of you in advance for any help you may offer and if I
can help you please don't hesitate to ask.
Ciao,
Paul

Hi Paul,

I checked my Iacueo tree and I don't have any Capotosto connections in there,
but has anyone recommended the LDS microfilms to you? These are microfilms of
birth, death, marriage and other records that are kept by the Mormon church and
are available to the general public. All you need to do is visit a Mormon church
in your area that participates in its Family Search program and for a nominal
cost you can rent these microfilms, for viewing on their premises on their
microfilm machines. At least that's the way it was 4 years ago when I did most
of my research.

The microfilms of Itri are extremely rich with information, and if you want to
trace your roots back from the present to the Catasto era they are probably
indispensable. There are 26 microfilm rolls covering Itri (at least as of 4
years ago), and it's a tedious process, but the rewards are priceless. I can
tell you for a fact that you will find many Capotostos in there, as I remember
seeing the name often during my research.

I also have a copy of the Catasto, and I am also interested in having it
translated, I just haven't had the time to do it to-date. If you find someone
that can do it, please let me know if you are interested in sharing the cost of
the translation.

Otherwise, good luck with your research.

Rick


--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "paul.capotosto" <paul.capotosto@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Itrani Descendents,
> I hope you are all well and that this group is still active in research and
discussion on our common village of origin. As you can see I am a new member,
quite late to the party it seems, but not too late I trust?
> My name is Paul Capotosto, I reside in New York and have been told my family
came from Itri. As a member of ancestry.com I have uncovered more than I ever
expected on the history and lineage of the Capotosto name. It gave me many
answers but also created many questions, and I sincerely anticipate that some of
the members of this group can be of assistance.
> I began sporadic research about 5 years ago through the Ellis Island website,
and as time permitted I found more sites and uncovered quite a bit of material.
I have to say it can seem overwhelming but I truly enjoy the discovery aspect.
>
> So here is my question, do any of you have a connection to Raffaele Capotosto
b.1845'ish married to Maria Antonia Di Fabrici (Fabrizio, Fabritius) in Itri,
Sep 1866?
>
> I have read that you may have the 1754 Catasta for Itri, sorry I did not learn
of this group sooner or I would have joined you in the purchase, I just
purchased a copy that I must translate; I did however locate about 10 Capotosto
families there at the time. I can't seem to link them up to my family tree as of
yet. But I believe the answer is out there and one day I will hopefully find it.
>
> I would like to thank all of you in advance for any help you may offer and if
I can help you please don't hesitate to ask.
> Ciao,
> Paul
>

Hi Kathy,

I don't have an answer as of yet, I have many Capotosto branches of my tree all
from Itri. My Gr Gr Grandfather Raffaele brought his two sons, Antonio and
Pasquale (my Gr Grandfather) to NY 26th May 1885. As I discovered they had many
cousins in Italy, some in Canada and other parts of the US. I still have much
more to find, and I also hope someone already has and will share the info I
seek.

If I can help you let me know, how far back can you trace the family?


Regards,
Paul

--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, Itri1@... wrote:
>
> Are you related to Francesco Capotosto that passed away in Itri on May, 2009?
>
> Kathy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Domenic Livoli
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:23 am
> Subject: RE: [FraDiavolo] Re: Itrani Origins
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Paul,
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe my great-great grandmother was Domenica Capotosto.
> > Greg Pezza has
> > an extensive family tree and I just received this going back to middle
> > 1800's.
> >
> >
> >
> > It would be great to have you and your family at the feast in
> > Cranston this
> > coming July.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not exactly sure what or who the catalyst was to send a lot
> > of Itrani
> > families to Cranston, but the church was built in the early
> > 1900's. There
> > is another church next door called St. Ann's and also the
> > cemetery is St.
> > Ann's. The Italians did want their own place of worship and the
> > church was
> > built. My grandmother came to Cranston during the war with 2
> > children, but
> > my grandfather Paolo Pezza stayed and fought for Italy in WWI.
> > He came to
> > Cranston after the war and joined my grandmother and they had my
> > two uncles,
> > Mike and Joe, whom are still living and my mother was the baby
> > who passed
> > away in 2009.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is fascinating. They came for a better life. Some went to
> > France, some
> > to New York, some to Canada. Even you talk to some of the
> > people that lived
> > in Itri during WWII. I had cousins from Canada who came to see
> > us two years
> > ago. They left Itri after WWII and never went back. They said
> > they wanted
> > to forget about that life and the horrors they saw during WWII.
> > Bombings so
> > close. A family of 5 people fleeing to shelters/caves in the
> > mountains and
> > living on one loaf of bread and small amounts of water for long
> > periods of
> > time until it was safe to try to go back to what was left of
> > their homes.
> >
> >
> >
> > And then there are people that settled here after WWII and they
> > and their
> > families go back and forth all the time, enjoying a beautiful
> > area, seeing
> > family and friends.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope to get there someday to take that walk.
> >
> >
> >
> > Domenic
> >
> >
> >
> > Domenic Livoli
> >
> > Livoli Estimating Service
> >
> > 24 Juniper Road
> >
> > Upton, MA 01568-1481
> >
> > Tel. (508) 529-0362
> >
> > Fax: (508) 529-0384
> >
> > Email: dlivoli@...
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Capotosto
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:02 AM
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Itrani Origins
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Domenic,
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently became aware of the many Italian families in RI, look
> > forward to
> > learning more about them and why so many Itrani decided to live there.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will speak more with cousin Greg, as I have seen Pezza in our
> > tree going
> > back a few generations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fitting his Dad was born on St Josephs Day and named Joseph,
> > Happy B-day to
> > him
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I'm not sure if I'm in the right place but here goes. I'm researching the
Gaetano Raffalle Valente and Assunta Maria DeFazio, from ELENA, Italy to Boston,
Massachusetts. Any one out there know this family???

Hi
I joined this group a few months ago but never posted.   I am looking for
Forte's and Cardillo's from Formia area.   My grandmother and grandfather moved
to France and wanted to stay there but could not get permanent residence.  They
went back to Italy and eventually settled in Waltham Ma in 1905. 
Grandfather-Alessandro, grandmother - Antonia.  Any information would be
welcome.

Marie

Morning Group,

I'm wondering if anyone in the Group with CANNELLAs in their ancestry during the
last half of the 1800's has been contacted by a French company named
Coutot-Roehrig regarding a supposed estate left in France by two women nee
CANNELLA.

We have and the representatives of this company who have been in touch with us,
for the most part, have only spoken in generalities or regurgitated information
that is available to anyone via public trees.

So, I'm curious to see if others with CANNELLA in their lines have been
contacted.  My paternal grandmother was a CANNELLA before marriage.

Linda

Thanks Domenic.

My post was more out of curiosity to see how many Cannella or Cannella
descendants this company might have contacted.

I wasn't directly contacted but my elderly cousin was.  I'm not sure how they
found him since his surname is Cellemme not Cannella.  I suspect maybe this
company & their minions have been harvesting information from publically
available sources such as trees at Ancestry & RootsWeb as well as Ancestry
databases of public records.

My thoughts are that perhaps they found my cousin through his granddaughter's
family tree which linked Cannella to Fornaro, then then a Fornaro daughter born
in France while the mother & her 1st child waited for dad to get out of Italy -
this was 1892 - 1893 when I understand there was a quota in place limiting the
number of people who could leave during a given time frame.  Then that French
born daughter later married a Cellemme.

With the Itrani records on film ending in 1865, I'd have to find out who the
grandparents of Francesco "Tony" were since his father Domenic would have been
born after the filmed records end, to try and see if he was directly related to
my line of Cannella"s or another of the Cannella lines in Itri.

I keep hoping to run into some more Cannella"s who share direct ancestors with
me but so far no luck.  It appears as if in my line of Cannella's,  maybe only
my grandmother nee Cannella came over with my grandfather.  And for reasons that
will never be known by me, they settled on Federal Hill rather than
Knightsville.

Linda
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "Domenic Livoli" <dlivoli@...> wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
>
>
> I know that in January of this year that Francesco "Tony" Cannella passed
> away in Cranston.  He was a great guy.  Very poetic and devoted and had a
> lot of ties back in Itri.  You can maybe try calling his son Domenic who I
> believe lives in Scituate.  Tony's father was Domenic "Mimi" Cannella who
> was bedridden for many years and Mimi's wife was Rosalba ("Yola") and both
> are deceased.  They were related to me through my grandmother's Ciccone
> side.  If Domenic does not know, then his aunts are in Cranston may know.
> Agnes DeLuca  married to Salvatore DeLuca or Cladia Ciccarelli married to
> Angelo Ciccarelli.  All are in Cranston.
>
>
>
> http://www.nardolillofh.com/obituaries.aspx?cat=Cannella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Domenic Livoli
>
> Livoli Estimating Service
>
> 24 Juniper Road
>
> Upton, MA  01568-1481
>
> Tel.  (508) 529-0362
>
> Fax: (508) 529-0384
>
> Email:  <mailto:dlivoli@...> dlivoli@...
>
>  <http://www.livoli.com/>
>
>   _____
>
> From: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Linda
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] CANNELLA: Itri > France > US / RI
>
>
>
>
>
> Morning Group,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone in the Group with CANNELLAs in their ancestry during
> the last half of the 1800's has been contacted by a French company named
> Coutot-Roehrig regarding a supposed estate left in France by two women nee
> CANNELLA.
>
> We have and the representatives of this company who have been in touch with
> us, for the most part, have only spoken in generalities or regurgitated
> information that is available to anyone via public trees.
>
> So, I'm curious to see if others with CANNELLA in their lines have been
> contacted. My paternal grandmother was a CANNELLA before marriage.
>
> Linda
>

 

Thanks Domenic.

My post was more out of curiosity to see how many Cannella or Cannella descendants this company might have contacted.

I wasn't directly contacted but my elderly cousin was. I'm not sure how they found him since his surname is Cellemme not Cannella. I suspect maybe this company & their minions have been harvesting information from publically available sources such as trees at Ancestry & RootsWeb as well as Ancestry databases of public records.

My thoughts are that perhaps they found my cousin through his granddaughter's family tree which linked Cannella to Fornaro, then then a Fornaro daughter born in France while the mother & her 1st child waited for dad to get out of Italy - this was 1892 - 1893 when I understand there was a quota in place limiting the number of people who could leave during a given time frame. Then that French born daughter later married a Cellemme.

With the Itrani records on film ending in 1865, I'd have to find out who the grandparents of Francesco "Tony" were since his father Domenic would have been born after the filmed records end, to try and see if he was directly related to my line of Cannella"s or another of the Cannella lines in Itri.

I keep hoping to run into some more Cannella"s who share direct ancestors with me but so far no luck. It appears as if in my line of Cannella's, maybe only my grandmother nee Cannella came over with my grandfather. And for reasons that will never be known by me, they settled on Federal Hill rather than Knightsville.

Linda
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "Domenic Livoli" <dlivoli@...> wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
>
>
> I know that in January of this year that Francesco "Tony" Cannella passed
> away in Cranston. He was a great guy. Very poetic and devoted and had a
> lot of ties back in Itri. You can maybe try calling his son Domenic who I
> believe lives in Scituate. Tony's father was Domenic "Mimi" Cannella who
> was bedridden for many years and Mimi's wife was Rosalba ("Yola") and both
> are deceased. They were related to me through my grandmother's Ciccone
> side. If Domenic does not know, then his aunts are in Cranston may know.
> Agnes DeLuca married to Salvatore DeLuca or Cladia Ciccarelli married to
> Angelo Ciccarelli. All are in Cranston.
>
>
>
> http://www.nardolillofh.com/obituaries.aspx?cat=Cannella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Domenic Livoli
>
> Livoli Estimating Service
>
> 24 Juniper Road
>
> Upton, MA 01568-1481
>
> Tel. (508) 529-0362
>
> Fax: (508) 529-0384
>
> Email: <mailto:dlivoli@...> dlivoli@...
>
> <http://www.livoli.com/>
>
> _____
>
> From: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Linda
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] CANNELLA: Itri > France > US / RI
>
>
>
>
>
> Morning Group,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone in the Group with CANNELLAs in their ancestry during
> the last half of the 1800's has been contacted by a French company named
> Coutot-Roehrig regarding a supposed estate left in France by two women nee
> CANNELLA.
>
> We have and the representatives of this company who have been in touch with
> us, for the most part, have only spoken in generalities or regurgitated
> information that is available to anyone via public trees.
>
> So, I'm curious to see if others with CANNELLA in their lines have been
> contacted. My paternal grandmother was a CANNELLA before marriage.
>
> Linda
>

Thanks for the words to the wise Paul.

"Yes it could be a legitimate organization, however someone may be using the
company name for cover and may not have anything to do with the business it
represents"  This was my initial reaction as well but after some exchanges, I'm
leaning towards an actual company gone bad or maybe always has been bad but
never caught red handed.

I've considered this a scam right from the get-go when my cousin's granddaughter
contacted me about my elderly cousin having been approached by this
Coutot-Roehrig company.

I've done a bit of digging and have been having fun playing with them.

They are evasive, speak only in generalities, keep trying to pump us for info on
other family members aka heirs and tell us nothing that isn't readily available
publically on line.   Ah, but after we sign a contract then they'll tell us what
we seek.

Oh and I love that they want us to sign a power of attorney over to them as well
supposedly so that they can effect any sales of property in the estate, deal
with notaries in France on our behalf, etc.  I don't know whether to laugh at
how ludicrous that is or be insulted that C-R would actually think/hope we're
that stupid.

I tested them with a red herring or two and they failed.  They spun those bits
around and fed them back to my cousin's granddaughter in part, to try and
leverage her and her aunt, who has power of attorney for my elderly cousin, into
trusting them.  Too bad for them that my cousin's granddaughter & his daughter
already knew about the red herrings and were just waiting to see if
Coutot-Roehrig regurgitated those bits back to them.

Maybe C-R is hoping we're naive or greedy or a bit of both.  I especially liked
the email to my cousin's granddaughter where C-R tried to get him onboard by
telling them that many of the heirs had already signed contracts with them.

Let's see...Coutot-Roehrig keeps trying to pump her (and me) for info on the
family members aka heirs, have sent her a partial tree/list of family members
they have for our family which we know not only came from on line sources rather
than any bonafide research they may have done but is incomplete, contains errors
and omits some individuals.  As evidenced by their failed attempts to sucker us
into divulging information on those members, C-R obviously knows nothing about
our branch of the family other than what is on line.  Mever the less,
Coutot-Roehrig has stated to my cousin's granddaughter that those heirs have
already signed contracts.

Or maybe Coutot-Roehrig meant the descendants of the "brother" have signed
contracts except again, C-R knows nothing about this Cannella man and has also
been trying to pump us for information beyond what is on line for him & his
family.


This supposed brother of our female ancestor - my grandmother nee Cannella who
is the ancestor that is supposed to be the linking heir from two women who were
supposedly her sisters and the originators of this supposed estate, isn't my
grandmother's brother at all.

In looking at what Coutot-Roehrig fed my cousin's granddaughter about this
Cannella man, it was clear to me that everything they had on him came from a
series of posts I'd done back 2005 - 06 on him when I was looking at him as a
possible nephew to my grandmother.  Back then, I was hoping to find this
Cannella man's father & hoping that father was a sibling to my grandmother.

In the interim since those posts, I've found siblings for my grandmother as well
as having found this Cannella man's father.  His father was born 4 years before
my great-grandparents married so this Cannella man's father definately isn't one
of my grandmother's brothers.

And this Cannella man I'd posted on certainly isn't a brother to my grandmother
as Coutot-Roehrig claims him to be because my great-grandmother would have been
64 yrs old the year this guy was born.

All in all, it's a fairly sophisticated scam but still a scam.  I've been
entertaining myself yanking Coutot-Roehrig's chain but it's become stale and
I've better things to do so won't be dealing with them any more.  Both my
cousin's granddaughter and his daughter have also added the C-R addys to their
blocked lists and stopped bothering with them.

In posting here, I was just curious to learn if Coutot-Roehrig had tried to scam
any other Cannella family lines with this same story...two Cannella women
originally from Itri lived & died in France, their direct descendants left no
heirs so inheritance then switches to the siblings of these two women aka my
grandmother & her descendants and the Cannella man Coutot-Roehrig erroneously
thinks, apparently because of my old posts, is a brother to my grandmother and
his descendants.

BTW Paul, in my direct line I have a Caterena Capotosto b. abt. 1754 (not on the
1754 catasto, this yr figured from age at death) d. 7 May 1819 married to a
Pompeo Cardi.  Does she show up in your Capotosto"s?

Linda


--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, Paul Capotosto <paul.capotosto@...> wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> I have been in Law Enforcement for 26+ years and have seen many fall prey to
> these offers, don't let your judgement become clouded.
> I would bet this is a scam, so be very careful as I would strongly suggest you
> do not "Verify your personal financial Information" to them and do not for any
> reason provide "GOOD FAITH" money to secure rights to an estate.
>
> Yes it could be a legitimate organization, however someone may be using the
> company name for cover and may not have anything to do with the business it
> represents.
>
> DO YOUR HOMEWORK, please
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>