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#435 From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Any members from Itri or know people from Itri? 		miyukichan0987
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Evening Stephanie,

I heard about the digitizing program about a year and a half ago at my local FHC and have signed up to do some of the data input.

Records for Itri that the LDS was allowed to film only cover the years 1809 to 1865.  Unless the LDS has entered into a new agreement with Itri, the Italian gov't or whoever has the final say with the post 1865 records that Jason has seen, then all that will get digitized with be what is already on film. 

We can hope that the Italians might loosen-up and allow more records to be filmed or digitized in order to, at the very least, preserve them for future generations but so far I've not heard of it.  Maybe we need to form a FraDiavolo field trip to Itri  :)

Linda

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Stephanie <sxp215@...> wrote:
From: Stephanie <sxp215@...>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] Re: Any members from Itri or know people from Itri?
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 4:33 PM

Hi Linda,

I just read your post. Actually, LDS has begun digitizing records-you
can see what they've completed here:
http://pilot. familysearch. org/recordsearch /start.html# p=0. There
isn't a whole lot from Italy yet, though anyone can volunteer to input
data and speed the process along. They have a LOT of records to add.

Cheers,
Stephanie

--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Morning Jason,
>
> I do remember your mentioning that. I don't know if or when I'll
ever have the time or opportunity to make a trip to Itri although I'd
really like to go.
>
> I wish there was some way of persuading those in charge to let the
LDS or someone digitize or otherwise copy those records before they
are further deteriorated or somehow lost for good.
>
> Heck, if Itri digitized them themselves and put them on line with
access by subscription, if the cost were reasonable, I know I'd want
to subscribe.  Pre 1809 records too. 
>
> Linda
>
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Jason Soscia <jsoscia3@.. .> wrote:
> From: Jason Soscia <jsoscia3@.. .>
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Any members from Itri or know people
from Itri?
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:50 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Linda I don't remember if I ever told you or you
might already know that the Itri Town Hall has the records after 1865
so if you ever go there you can go down and search them.  A lot of
those volumes are in bad shape too.      Jason
>
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Any members from Itri or know people
from Itri?
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:33 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Evening Kathy,
>
> No...I only wish.  I was born in Providence, RI.  My grandparents,
Giuseppe Fornaro and Rachele Cannella arrived in RI from Itri in1893. 
>
> My Grandparents must have been about the only family from Itri that
DIDN'T settle in the Knightsville section of Cranston, RI.  For
reasons I'll never know, they chose the Italian section of Providence
known as Federal Hill to live, work and raise their family as did my
Grnadfather' s brother Bennedetto who came over several years later.
>
> I often wonder who of the families that settled in Knightsville
might be close relations to me.  With the gap in the records that the
LDS was allowed to film, from 1865 forward, I've not been able to find
siblings or other family of either of my grandparents beyond Uncle Benny.
>
> Linda
>
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Itri1@optonline. net <Itri1@optonline. net> wrote:
>
> From: Itri1@optonline. net <Itri1@optonline. net>
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Any members from Itri or know people
from Itri?
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:13 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you, Linda.
>  
> I feel like I've found the right group!  Joseph Agresti is really
the star here.  Most of the surnames you have listed, he knows. 
Especially, de Luca (his maternal grandmother' s name) & Soprano.
>  
> Were you born in Itri?
>  
> Kathy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linda
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:21 am
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] Re: Any members from Itri or know people from
Itri?
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
>
> > Welcome Kathy,
> >
> > As Jason said, I think we are nearly all from Itrani families here.
> >
> > My paternal line is 100% Italian and Itrani with the exception
> > of 2nd
> > great grandmother Maria Teresa ROSATO in my Grandma Rachele CANNELLA's
> > line.
> >
> > I've seen AGRESTI many times while combing through the microfilms
> > documenting my families.
> >
> > Other of my family names some of which you undoubtedly have or will
> > discover you have in your family lines -
> >
> > Paternal: Fornaro, de Luca, de Vona, Socia, Sinappi, Soprano,
> > Simonelli, Stravato, Fargiorgio, de Fazio, Capobianco,
> > Assanjante &
> > Manzi.
> >
> Maternal: Cannella, Cardi, Rosato (from Pastena), Giardino, Petrella,
> > Bravo (from Pastena), Capotosto, di Biase & another Capobianco.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com, "kathythss" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi FraDiavolo,
> > >
> > > I am new to your group & wanted to know if any members are
> > connected
> > > with Itri. If so, does the surname "Agresti" sound familiar?
> > >
> > > Please contact me - I would love to hear from you.
> > >
> > > Kathy
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



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#436 From: "kcmocap" <bcapotosto@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2008 8:28 pm
Subject: new member 		kcmocap
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my name is Bill Capotosto.  I've corresponded with Linda in the past
so she already knows how little I know.  my parents and grandparents
died long before we knew enough to ask them good questions.  I'm going
to owe my company half a day's vacation because I've spent it reading
through your posts but they were too interesting not to keep going.

my father's parents were from Itri, Paolo Capotosto (b. 03/01/1873)
and Marie (Marietta) Paparello (b. 09/08/1886).  his parents were
Salvatore Capotosto and Alessandra Manzi (or Manzo).  her parents were
Francesco Paparello (b. c1854?) and Ma Rosaria Capotosto (b. c1868?).
  and there may be Ruggieres or Ruggieros in there somewhere, too.

pleased to meet you all.

Bill

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#437 From: "Stephanie" <sxp215@...>
Date: Sat Dec 6, 2008 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: new member 		sxp215
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Welcome Bill-my great grandmother (born in Itri)was Mary Paparelli (b.
1902).  Her father was Antonio Paparelli (b. 1878), and mother
Giovanina DeSimone (b. 1883).  I'm fairly certain the name variation
happened when they came to America about 1913.  They ended up settling
in Northwestern PA.  I don't know too much more than that on that side
of the family-but I'm sure there's a connection somewhere!

Cheers,
Stephanie

--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "kcmocap" <bcapotosto@...> wrote:
>
> my name is Bill Capotosto.  I've corresponded with Linda in the past
> so she already knows how little I know.  my parents and grandparents
> died long before we knew enough to ask them good questions.  I'm going
> to owe my company half a day's vacation because I've spent it reading
> through your posts but they were too interesting not to keep going.
>
> my father's parents were from Itri, Paolo Capotosto (b. 03/01/1873)
> and Marie (Marietta) Paparello (b. 09/08/1886).  his parents were
> Salvatore Capotosto and Alessandra Manzi (or Manzo).  her parents were
> Francesco Paparello (b. c1854?) and Ma Rosaria Capotosto (b. c1868?).
>  and there may be Ruggieres or Ruggieros in there somewhere, too.
>
> pleased to meet you all.
>
> Bill
>

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#439 From: "ptgreco" <ptgreco@...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:26 am
Subject: 100% Itrani 		ptgreco@...
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Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri.  Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi.  My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula

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#440 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani 		saccocciom
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Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@...> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@...>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula



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#441 From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		miyukichan0987
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Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !

Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds today.  *BRRRRR*

Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day  SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch. 

Do you have ....

Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife  Domenica Uneglia* b. abt. 1883 
    Their children - all born Cranston:
     Philomeme "Fannie"  Riccitelli  b. abt.1914, living Cranston 2001
     Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
     Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston (William J. Silva)
     Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
     Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
     Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
     Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
     Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
     Pat b. ?  d. bef. Sept. 1995

*A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.  I haven't gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is paired with Luigi.  I've tried to contact the tree owner regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.  I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like to share information but never get replies.

Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my CELLEMMEs.  She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME. 

Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9 months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.  Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them as "uncle" & "aunt".

Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?

Linda
    

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM

Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula




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#442 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		saccocciom
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I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.  Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common name.  there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to this country.  He had first cousins in RI with names like Anthony, Alexander.  He was related to the Ruggieri's on his mother's side.  Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that. 
 
We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.  

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM

Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !

Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds today.  *BRRRRR*

Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day  SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch. 

Do you have ....

Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife  Domenica Uneglia* b. abt. 1883 
    Their children - all born Cranston:
     Philomeme "Fannie"  Riccitelli  b. abt.1914, living Cranston 2001
     Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
     Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston (William J. Silva)
     Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
     Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
     Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
     Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
     Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
     Pat b. ?  d. bef. Sept. 1995

*A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.  I haven't gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is paired with Luigi.  I've tried to contact the tree owner regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.  I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like to share information but never get replies.

Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my CELLEMMEs.  She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME. 

Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9 months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.  Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them as "uncle" & "aunt".

Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?

Linda
    

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM

Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula





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#443 From: "ptgreco" <ptgreco@...>
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani 		ptgreco@...
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Thanks Marie for your reply.  No, I don't have any relatives in
Cambridge.  We're pretty much NY based.  I remember growing up hearing
the name Saccoccio, although I can't place any faces at this time.  I'll
have to ask my cousin if he remembers.

I'm new to the ancestry search.   My grandparents were born in Itri in
the 1860's and 70's.  Where does one start retrieving any information?
Thank you anyone for some guidance.

Paula
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
wrote:
>
> Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do
you have relatives in Cambridge as well??
>
>
>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco ptgreco@... wrote:
>
> From: ptgreco ptgreco@...
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
> ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
> Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
> York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
> Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.
>
> I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
> 25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
> have lots of fond memories.
>
> I would love to do some family research.
>
> Paula
>

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#444 From: "vince_sandrone" <vince_sandrone@...>
Date: Thu Jan 1, 2009 12:35 am
Subject: Happy New Year 		vince_sandrone
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Best wishes to all for the new year.
Vince Sandrone

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#445 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Thu Jan 1, 2009 2:23 am
Subject: Re: Happy New Year 		saccocciom
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Et tu!!  Hope this link works:
 


 
Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 12/31/08, vince_sandrone <vince_sandrone@...> wrote:
From: vince_sandrone <vince_sandrone@...>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] Happy New Year
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 7:35 PM

Best wishes to all for the new year.
Vince Sandrone



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#446 From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2009 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		miyukichan0987
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HI Marie,

Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme branch about her  Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you about.  After checking with the older generations here's what I was told:

Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that as I delved into this family in more depth.   The ONei and Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.

There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group according to one of the family elders but having now had the chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded to that of Beatrice.  We are still checking on this but I think that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups. 

As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.  This family group would have been in Knightsville,Cranston ...little surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component to this particular family grouping.

Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be connected to one degree or another - but at least this information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a match.

Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44 in front of Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's wonderfully "maintained" roads.

Linda

--- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM

I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.  Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common name.  there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to this country.  He had first cousins in RI with names like Anthony, Alexander.  He was related to the Ruggieri's on his mother's side.  Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that. 
 
We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.  

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM

Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !

Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds today.  *BRRRRR*

Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day  SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch. 

Do you have ....

Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife  Domenica Uneglia* b. abt. 1883 
    Their children - all born Cranston:
     Philomeme "Fannie"  Riccitelli  b. abt.1914, living Cranston 2001
     Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
     Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston (William J. Silva)
     Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
     Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
     Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
     Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
     Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
     Pat b. ?  d. bef. Sept. 1995

*A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.  I haven't gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is paired with Luigi.  I've tried to contact the tree owner regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.  I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like to share information but never get replies.

Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my CELLEMMEs.  She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME. 

Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9 months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.  Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them as "uncle" & "aunt".

Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?

Linda
    

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM

Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula






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#447 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2009 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		saccocciom
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funny how the names get changed.  I have one relative whose name was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to Anita.  Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went to school it was changed to Eunice.   

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM

HI Marie,

Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme branch about her  Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you about.  After checking with the older generations here's what I was told:

Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that as I delved into this family in more depth.   The ONei and Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.

There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group according to one of the family elders but having now had the chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded to that of Beatrice.  We are still checking on this but I think that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups. 

As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.  This family group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component to this particular family grouping.

Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be connected to one degree or another - but at least this information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a match.

Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44 in front of Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's wonderfully "maintained" roads.

Linda

--- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM

I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.  Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common name.  there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to this country.  He had first cousins in RI with names like Anthony, Alexander.  He was related to the Ruggieri's on his mother's side.  Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that. 
 
We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.  

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM

Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !

Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds today.  *BRRRRR*

Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day  SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch. 

Do you have ....

Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife  Domenica Uneglia* b. abt. 1883 
    Their children - all born Cranston:
     Philomeme "Fannie"  Riccitelli  b. abt.1914, living Cranston 2001
     Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
     Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston (William J. Silva)
     Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
     Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
     Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
     Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
     Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
     Pat b. ?  d. bef. Sept. 1995

*A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.  I haven't gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is paired with Luigi.  I've tried to contact the tree owner regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.  I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like to share information but never get replies.

Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my CELLEMMEs.  She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME. 

Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9 months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.  Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them as "uncle" & "aunt".

Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?

Linda
    

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM

Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula







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#448 From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2009 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		miyukichan0987
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The name mutations are one thing, I think, that are the hardest concept for novice researchers to embrace and to deal with.  Some of them take quite an active imagination to come up with and some just defy explanation.  It takes a bit to learn that just because a particular spelling is the standard accepted form today, it always wasn't so and that there not only were those changes that you site which to me appear to be more for the convenience of those who made the changes but a whole list of other factors that cause name changes in daily use or as mistakes in records.

Some of my "best" are the 1900 census where I searched forever for Hubby's great-grandfather  Benjamin Poliquin (our current Peloquin itself is a 1920's mutation of the Poliquin surname) and finally found him because I was looking for Cavicchi.....I'd found a letter to Hubby's grandmother during a cleanout of the old family home signed "Your Brother-in-law Ercole"...who the heck is that???... that was on his company's letterhead.  Turned out, Ercole, wife Elmina nee Poliquin (Ben's dau) & kids were living with g-grandpa Ben 1900.  I hadn't be able to find Benjamin Poliquin in the past no matter what I'd thought of & tried because he was enumerated as Perkins.  I've since learned the trick of searching on Ancestry by using only the given name and limiting the results by filling in other details. I might have found Ben sooner & without the Cavicchi letter had I known that technique back then.

And the second best was looking for my gg-randmother DeBow in NY.  Not only did she not stay on Staten Island where she'd last been but her name was mutated in Ancestry's indexes.   Her mutation was a function of a faded census image.  She was indexed as Lebas.  I've since entered corrections to both Perkins/Poliquin and Lebas/DeBow at Ancestry.

Most of my name changes, fortunately, have been logical...Giovanni to John, Giuseppe to Joseph, Rosalina to Rose, etc or relatively minor like Poliquin to Peloquin or Fornaro (my maiden) to Fornara for my Dad's cousins.

Linda

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM

funny how the names get changed.  I have one relative whose name was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to Anita.  Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went to school it was changed to Eunice.   

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM

HI Marie,

Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme branch about her  Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you about.  After checking with the older generations here's what I was told:

Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that as I delved into this family in more depth.   The ONei and Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.

There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group according to one of the family elders but having now had the chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded to that of Beatrice.  We are still checking on this but I think that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups. 

As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.  This family group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component to this particular family grouping.

Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be connected to one degree or another - but at least this information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a match.

Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44 in front of Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's wonderfully "maintained" roads.

Linda

--- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM

I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.  Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common name.  there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to this country.  He had first cousins in RI with names like Anthony, Alexander.  He was related to the Ruggieri's on his mother's side.  Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that. 
 
We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.  

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM

Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !

Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds today.  *BRRRRR*

Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day  SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch. 

Do you have ....

Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife  Domenica Uneglia* b. abt. 1883 
    Their children - all born Cranston:
     Philomeme "Fannie"  Riccitelli  b. abt.1914, living Cranston 2001
     Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
     Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston (William J. Silva)
     Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
     Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
     Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
     Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
     Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
     Pat b. ?  d. bef. Sept. 1995

*A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.  I haven't gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is paired with Luigi.  I've tried to contact the tree owner regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.  I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like to share information but never get replies.

Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my CELLEMMEs.  She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME. 

Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9 months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.  Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them as "uncle" & "aunt".

Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?

Linda
    

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM

Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula








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#449 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2009 5:51 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		saccocciom
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My paternal grandmother and her sisters were entered on a ship to this country as Sodi.  The ship's manifest was somehow interpreted and later entered as Lodi.  It took me years to figure that out.  I never suspected the first letter to have been different.   I have also seen their name as DeSodi.  Really irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them back very far.  Lord knows what their names were.  I have met a cousin whose name is Sodi in Terracina.  So, it is a real name. 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:37 PM

The name mutations are one thing, I think, that are the hardest concept for novice researchers to embrace and to deal with.  Some of them take quite an active imagination to come up with and some just defy explanation.  It takes a bit to learn that just because a particular spelling is the standard accepted form today, it always wasn't so and that there not only were those changes that you site which to me appear to be more for the convenience of those who made the changes but a whole list of other factors that cause name changes in daily use or as mistakes in records.

Some of my "best" are the 1900 census where I searched forever for Hubby's great-grandfather  Benjamin Poliquin (our current Peloquin itself is a 1920's mutation of the Poliquin surname) and finally found him because I was looking for Cavicchi.... .I'd found a letter to Hubby's grandmother during a cleanout of the old family home signed "Your Brother-in-law Ercole"...who the heck is that???... that was on his company's letterhead.  Turned out, Ercole, wife Elmina nee Poliquin (Ben's dau) & kids were living with g-grandpa Ben 1900.  I hadn't be able to find Benjamin Poliquin in the past no matter what I'd thought of & tried because he was enumerated as Perkins.  I've since learned the trick of searching on Ancestry by using only the given name and limiting the results by filling in other details. I might have found Ben sooner & without the Cavicchi letter had I known that technique back then.

And the second best was looking for my gg-randmother DeBow in NY.  Not only did she not stay on Staten Island where she'd last been but her name was mutated in Ancestry's indexes.   Her mutation was a function of a faded census image.  She was indexed as Lebas.  I've since entered corrections to both Perkins/Poliquin and Lebas/DeBow at Ancestry.

Most of my name changes, fortunately, have been logical...Giovanni to John, Giuseppe to Joseph, Rosalina to Rose, etc or relatively minor like Poliquin to Peloquin or Fornaro (my maiden) to Fornara for my Dad's cousins.

Linda

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM

funny how the names get changed.  I have one relative whose name was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to Anita.  Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went to school it was changed to Eunice.   

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM

HI Marie,

Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme branch about her  Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you about.  After checking with the older generations here's what I was told:

Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that as I delved into this family in more depth.   The ONei and Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.

There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group according to one of the family elders but having now had the chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded to that of Beatrice.  We are still checking on this but I think that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups. 

As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.  This family group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component to this particular family grouping.

Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be connected to one degree or another - but at least this information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a match.

Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44 in front of Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's wonderfully "maintained" roads.

Linda

--- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM

I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.  Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common name.  there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to this country.  He had first cousins in RI with names like Anthony, Alexander.  He was related to the Ruggieri's on his mother's side.  Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that. 
 
We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.  

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM

Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !

Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds today.  *BRRRRR*

Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day  SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch. 

Do you have ....

Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife  Domenica Uneglia* b. abt. 1883 
    Their children - all born Cranston:
     Philomeme "Fannie"  Riccitelli  b. abt.1914, living Cranston 2001
     Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
     Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston (William J. Silva)
     Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
     Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
     Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
     Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
     Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
     Pat b. ?  d. bef. Sept. 1995

*A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.  I haven't gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is paired with Luigi.  I've tried to contact the tree owner regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.  I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like to share information but never get replies.

Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my CELLEMMEs.  She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME. 

Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9 months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.  Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them as "uncle" & "aunt".

Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?

Linda
    

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM

Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula









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#450 From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...>
Date: Thu Jan 8, 2009 12:54 am
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		miyukichan0987
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Some of the manifests were pretty bad but my Grandparents' wasn't too bad once I found the manifest through the Steve Morse 1 Step site and the Ellis Island Missing Manifest search function there. 

On the manifest my grandparents were, however separated by about 13 - 16 lines.. first my grandfather as Giusepe Fenaro then down 13 lines to my grandmother as Rachele Fornaro, skip a line, & finally my Aunt Angelina entered as Angelo sex "m" (Maybe she was a really ugly 2 yr old??*grin*) & Aunt Carolina both as Fornaro.  So, all in all not bad...it could have been much worse.

Considering that my Grandfather boarded in Naples and my Grandmother and Aunts in Marseilles, France, I would have expected to find them much farther apart in the manifest;  maybe on different pages.

You might remember back in Jun 07 the discussion here about the Itri - Marseilles connection.  Rick / rickj1000001 had mentioned a post I had put up inquiring as to why my Grandfather should have been back in Itri when My grandmother and infant Aunts were in Marseilles.  I think a part of the answer at that time was that the large migration of Southern Italians after the unification of Italy caused the government to institute a quota system on departures cause some families to sustain temporary separations and layovers in Marseilles why those who got out waited for the rest of the family to be able to get out on the next open period.  I don't remember who came up with the answer, I want to say Jason Soscia.

"Really irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them back very far." ---- That's so frustrating !!!

Linda

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:51 PM

My paternal grandmother and her sisters were entered on a ship to this country as Sodi.  The ship's manifest was somehow interpreted and later entered as Lodi.  It took me years to figure that out.  I never suspected the first letter to have been different.   I have also seen their name as DeSodi.  Really irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them back very far.  Lord knows what their names were.  I have met a cousin whose name is Sodi in Terracina.  So, it is a real name. 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 






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#451 From: gcpezza@...
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		gcpezza@...
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To All,

Domanic Livoli's mother Elena (Helen) Livoli (Pezza) passed away this morning. She was also my Aunt and I will miss her dearly. I hope all will join me in giving Dominic along with his Sister Janice and Brother Paul and family our deepest sympathies.

Gregory C. Pezza




-----Original Message-----
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie

My paternal grandmother and her sisters were entered on a ship to this country as Sodi.  The ship's manifest was somehow interpreted and later entered as Lodi.  It took me years to figure that out.  I never suspected the first letter to have been different.   I have also seen their name as DeSodi.  Really irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them back very far.  Lord knows what their names were.  I have met a cousin whose name is Sodi in Terracina.  So, it is a real name. 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:37 PM

The name mutations are one thing, I think, that are the hardest concept for novice researchers to embrace and to deal with.  Some of them take quite an active imagination to come up with and some just defy explanation.  It takes a bit to learn that just because a particular spelling is the standard accepted form today, it always wasn't so and that there not only were those changes that you site which to me appear to be more for the convenience of those who made the changes but a whole list of other factors that cause name changes in daily use or as mistakes in records.

Some of my "best" are the 1900 census where I searched forever for Hubby's great-grandfather  Benjamin Poliquin (our current Peloquin itself is a 1920's mutation of the Poliquin surname) and finally found him because I was looking for Cavicchi.... .I'd found a letter to Hubby's grandmother during a cleanout of the old family home signed "Your Brother-in-law Ercole"...who the heck is that???... that was on his company's letterhead.  Turned out, Ercole, wife Elmina nee Poliquin (Ben's dau) & kids were living with g-grandpa Ben 1900.  I hadn't be able to find Benjamin Poliquin in the past no matter what I'd thought of & tried because he was enumerated as Perkins.  I've since learned the trick of searching on Ancestry by using only the given name and limiting the results by filling in other details. I might have found Ben sooner & without the Cavicchi letter had I known that technique back then.

And the second best was looking for my gg-randmother DeBow in NY.  Not only did she not stay on Staten Island where she'd last been but her name was mutated in Ancestry's indexes.   Her mutation was a function of a faded census image.  She was indexed as Lebas.  I've since entered corrections to both Perkins/Poliquin and Lebas/DeBow at Ancestry.

Most of my name changes, fortunately, have been logical...Giovanni to John, Giuseppe to Joseph, Rosalina to Rose, etc or relatively minor like Poliquin to Peloquin or Fornaro (my maiden) to Fornara for my Dad's cousins.

Linda

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM

funny how the names get changed.  I have one relative whose name was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to Anita.  Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went to school it was changed to Eunice.   

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM

HI Marie,

Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme branch about her  Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you about.  After checking with the older generations here's what I was told:

Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that as I delved into this family in more depth.   The ONei and Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.

There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group according to one of the family elders but having now had the chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded to that of Beatrice.  We are still checking on this but I think that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups. 

As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.  This family group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component to this particular family grouping.

Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be connected to one degree or another - but at least this information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a match.

Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44 in front of Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's wonderfully "maintained" roads.

Linda

--- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM

I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.  Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common name.  there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to this country.  He had first cousins in RI with names like Anthony, Alexander.  He was related to the Ruggieri's on his mother's side.  Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that. 
 
We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.  

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM

Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !

Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds today.  *BRRRRR*

Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day  SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch. 

Do you have ....

Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife  Domenica Uneglia* b. abt. 1883 
    Their children - all born Cranston:
     Philomeme "Fannie"  Riccitelli  b. abt.1914, living Cranston 2001
     Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
     Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston (William J. Silva)
     Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
     Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
     Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
     Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
     Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
     Pat b. ?  d. bef. Sept. 1995

*A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.  I haven't gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is paired with Luigi.  I've tried to contact the tree owner regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.  I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like to share information but never get replies.

Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my CELLEMMEs.  She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME. 

Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9 months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.  Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them as "uncle" & "aunt".

Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?

Linda
    

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM

Welcome Paula!!  I think we have some Mancini's here in Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well?? 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: ptgreco <ptgreco@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM

Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini living in
Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.

I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in the past
25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
have lots of fond memories.

I would love to do some family research.

Paula









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#452 From: Itri1@...
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		kathythss
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I am so sorry for your loss.  Elena will be included in my prayers.
 
Be well.
 
Kathy & Joe Agresti


----- Original Message -----
From: gcpezza@...
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com

> To All,
>
> Domanic Livoli's mother Elena (Helen) Livoli (Pezza) passed away
> this morning. She was also my Aunt and I will miss her dearly. I
> hope all will join me in?giving Dominic along with his Sister
> Janice and Brother Paul and family our deepest sympathies.
>
> Gregory C. Pezza
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marie saccoccio
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My paternal grandmother and her sisters were entered on a ship
> to this country as Sodi.? The ship's manifest was somehow
> interpreted and later?entered as Lodi.? It took me years to
> figure that out.? I never suspected the first letter to have
> been different.? ?I have also seen their name as DeSodi.? Really
> irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them
> back very far.? Lord knows what their names were.? I have met a
> cousin whose name is Sodi in Terracina.? So, it is a real name.?
>
>
>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
> ?
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
>
> From: Linda Peloquin
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:37 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The name mutations are one thing, I think, that are the hardest
> concept for novice researchers to embrace and to deal with.?
> Some of them take quite an active imagination to come up with
> and some just defy explanation.? It takes a bit to learn that
> just because a particular spelling is the standard accepted form
> today, it always wasn't so and that there not only were those
> changes that you site which to me appear to be more for the
> convenience of those who made the changes but a whole list of
> other factors that cause name changes in daily use or as
> mistakes in records.
>
> Some of my "best" are the 1900 census where I searched forever
> for Hubby's great-grandfather? Benjamin Poliquin (our current
> Peloquin itself is a 1920's mutation of the Poliquin surname)
> and finally found him because I was looking for Cavicchi....
> .I'd found a letter to Hubby's grandmother during a cleanout of
> the old family home signed "Your Brother-in-law Ercole"...who
> the heck is that???... that was on his company's letterhead.?
> Turned out, Ercole, wife Elmina nee Poliquin (Ben's dau) & kids
> were living with g-grandpa Ben 1900.? I hadn't be able to find
> Benjamin Poliquin in the past no matter what I'd thought of &
> tried because he was enumerated as Perkins.? I've since learned
> the trick of searching on Ancestry by using only the given name
> and limiting the results by filling in other details. I might
> have found Ben sooner & without the Cavicchi letter had I known
> that technique back then.
>
> And the second best was looking for my gg-randmother DeBow in
> NY.? Not only did she not stay on Staten Island where she'd last
> been but her name was mutated in Ancestry's indexes. ? Her
> mutation was a function of a faded census image.? She was
> indexed as Lebas.? I've since entered corrections to both
> Perkins/Poliquin and Lebas/DeBow at Ancestry.
>
> Most of my name changes, fortunately, have been
> logical...Giovanni to John, Giuseppe to Joseph, Rosalina to
> Rose, etc or relatively minor like Poliquin to Peloquin or
> Fornaro (my maiden) to Fornara for my Dad's cousins.
>
> Linda
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio wrote:
>
> From: marie saccoccio
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> funny how the names get changed.? I have one relative whose name
> was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to
> Anita.? Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went
> to school it was changed to Eunice.? ?
>
>
>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
> ?
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
>
> From: Linda Peloquin
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> HI Marie,
>
> Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme
> branch about her? Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you
> about.? After checking with the older generations here's what I
> was told:
>
> Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same
> woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that
> as I delved into this family in more depth. ? The ONei and
> Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the
> official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many
> of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.
>
> There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group
> according to one of the family elders but having now had the
> chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in
> the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded
> to that of Beatrice.? We are still checking on this but I think
> that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of
> those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups.?
>
> As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm
> sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.? This family
> group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little
> surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found
> via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the
> general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component
> to this particular family grouping.
>
> Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back
> while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be
> connected to one degree or another - but at least this
> information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the
> group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a
> match.
> Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better
> job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because
> some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get
> up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44?in front of
> Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as
> grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's
> wonderfully "maintained" roads.
>
> Linda
>
> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
>
> From: marie saccoccio
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.?
> Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common
> name.? there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode
> Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to
> this country.? He had first cousins in RI with names?like
> Anthony, Alexander.? He was related to the Ruggieri's on his
> mother's side.? Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that.?
>
> ?
>
> We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.??
>
>
>
>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
> ?
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin
> wrote:
> From: Linda Peloquin
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !
>
> Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain
> Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds
> today.? *BRRRRR*
>
> Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the
> Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day?
> SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch.?
>
> Do you have ....
>
> Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife? Domenica Uneglia* b.
> abt. 1883?
> ??? Their children - all born Cranston:
> ???? Philomeme "Fannie"? Riccitelli? b. abt.1914, living
> Cranston 2001
> ???? Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
> ???? Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston
> (William J. Silva)
> ???? Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
> ???? Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
> ???? Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
> ???? Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
> ???? Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
> ???? Pat b. ?? d. bef. Sept. 1995
>
> *A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's
> wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.? I haven't
> gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is
> paired with Luigi.? I've tried to contact the tree owner
> regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.?
> I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree
> owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like
> to share information but never get replies.
>
> Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my
> CELLEMMEs.? She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of
> my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO
> & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME.?
>
> Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first
> cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9
> months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.?
> Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I
> grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people
> the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them
> as "uncle" & "aunt".
>
> Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?
>
> Linda
> ????
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
>
> From: marie saccoccio
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Welcome Paula!!? I think we have some Mancini's here in
> Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well???
>
>
>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
> ?
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco wrote:
>
> From: ptgreco
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM
>
>
>
>
> Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
> ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
> Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
> York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini
> living in
> Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.
>
> I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in
> the past
> 25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
> have lots of fond memories.
>
> I would love to do some family research.
>
> Paula
>
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#453 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		saccocciom
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So sorry to hear this. Please pass along my condolences.

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Itri1@... <Itri1@...> wrote:
From: Itri1@... <Itri1@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 2:03 PM

I am so sorry for your loss.  Elena will be included in my prayers.
 
Be well.
 
Kathy & Joe Agresti


----- Original Message -----
From: gcpezza@aol. com
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com

> To All,
>
> Domanic Livoli's mother Elena (Helen) Livoli (Pezza) passed away
> this morning. She was also my Aunt and I will miss her dearly. I
> hope all will join me in?giving Dominic along with his Sister
> Janice and Brother Paul and family our deepest sympathies.
>
> Gregory C. Pezza
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marie saccoccio
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
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> My paternal grandmother and her sisters were entered on a ship
> to this country as Sodi.? The ship's manifest was somehow
> interpreted and later?entered as Lodi.? It took me years to
> figure that out.? I never suspected the first letter to have
> been different.? ?I have also seen their name as DeSodi.? Really
> irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them
> back very far.? Lord knows what their names were.? I have met a
> cousin whose name is Sodi in Terracina.? So, it is a real name.?
>
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>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
> ?
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>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
>
> From: Linda Peloquin
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:37 PM
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> The name mutations are one thing, I think, that are the hardest
> concept for novice researchers to embrace and to deal with.?
> Some of them take quite an active imagination to come up with
> and some just defy explanation. ? It takes a bit to learn that
> just because a particular spelling is the standard accepted form
> today, it always wasn't so and that there not only were those
> changes that you site which to me appear to be more for the
> convenience of those who made the changes but a whole list of
> other factors that cause name changes in daily use or as
> mistakes in records.
>
> Some of my "best" are the 1900 census where I searched forever
> for Hubby's great-grandfather? Benjamin Poliquin (our current
> Peloquin itself is a 1920's mutation of the Poliquin surname)
> and finally found him because I was looking for Cavicchi....
> .I'd found a letter to Hubby's grandmother during a cleanout of
> the old family home signed "Your Brother-in-law Ercole"...who
> the heck is that???... that was on his company's letterhead.?
> Turned out, Ercole, wife Elmina nee Poliquin (Ben's dau) & kids
> were living with g-grandpa Ben 1900.? I hadn't be able to find
> Benjamin Poliquin in the past no matter what I'd thought of &
> tried because he was enumerated as Perkins.? I've since learned
> the trick of searching on Ancestry by using only the given name
> and limiting the results by filling in other details. I might
> have found Ben sooner & without the Cavicchi letter had I known
> that technique back then.
>
> And the second best was looking for my gg-randmother DeBow in
> NY.? Not only did she not stay on Staten Island where she'd last
> been but her name was mutated in Ancestry's indexes. ? Her
> mutation was a function of a faded census image.? She was
> indexed as Lebas.? I've since entered corrections to both
> Perkins/Poliquin and Lebas/DeBow at Ancestry.
>
> Most of my name changes, fortunately, have been
> logical...Giovanni to John, Giuseppe to Joseph, Rosalina to
> Rose, etc or relatively minor like Poliquin to Peloquin or
> Fornaro (my maiden) to Fornara for my Dad's cousins.
>
> Linda
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio wrote:
>
> From: marie saccoccio
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM
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> funny how the names get changed.? I have one relative whose name
> was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to
> Anita.? Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went
> to school it was changed to Eunice.? ?
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> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
> ?
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>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
>
> From: Linda Peloquin
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM
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> HI Marie,
>
> Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme
> branch about her? Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you
> about.? After checking with the older generations here's what I
> was told:
>
> Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same
> woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that
> as I delved into this family in more depth. ? The ONei and
> Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the
> official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many
> of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.
>
> There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group
> according to one of the family elders but having now had the
> chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in
> the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded
> to that of Beatrice.? We are still checking on this but I think
> that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of
> those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups.?
>
> As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm
> sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.? This family
> group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little
> surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found
> via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the
> general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component
> to this particular family grouping.
>
> Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back
> while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be
> connected to one degree or another - but at least this
> information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the
> group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a
> match.
> Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better
> job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because
> some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get
> up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44?in front of
> Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as
> grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's
> wonderfully "maintained" roads.
>
> Linda
>
> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
>
> From: marie saccoccio
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM
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> I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.?
> Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common
> name.? there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode
> Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to
> this country.? He had first cousins in RI with names?like
> Anthony, Alexander.? He was related to the Ruggieri's on his
> mother's side.? Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that.?
>
> ?
>
> We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.??
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> Marie Elena Saccoccio
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> ?
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>
> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin
> wrote:
> From: Linda Peloquin
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM
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> Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !
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> Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain
> Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds
> today.? *BRRRRR*
>
> Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the
> Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day?
> SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch.?
>
> Do you have ....
>
> Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife? Domenica Uneglia* b.
> abt. 1883?
> ??? Their children - all born Cranston:
> ???? Philomeme "Fannie"? Riccitelli? b. abt.1914, living
> Cranston 2001
> ???? Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
> ???? Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston
> (William J. Silva)
> ???? Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
> ???? Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
> ???? Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
> ???? Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
> ???? Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
> ???? Pat b. ?? d. bef. Sept. 1995
>
> *A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's
> wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.? I haven't
> gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is
> paired with Luigi.? I've tried to contact the tree owner
> regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.?
> I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree
> owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like
> to share information but never get replies.
>
> Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my
> CELLEMMEs.? She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of
> my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO
> & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME.?
>
> Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first
> cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9
> months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.?
> Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I
> grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people
> the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them
> as "uncle" & "aunt".
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> Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?
>
> Linda
> ????
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
>
> From: marie saccoccio
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM
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> Welcome Paula!!? I think we have some Mancini's here in
> Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well???
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> Marie Elena Saccoccio
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> ?
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>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco wrote:
>
> From: ptgreco
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM
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> Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
> ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
> Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
> York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini
> living in
> Rhode Island, Providence or Cranston.
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> I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in
> the past
> 25 years, not to mention my first impressions from 50 years ago. I
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#454 From: "frankciccone50" <annetteciccone@...>
Date: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:09 pm
Subject: Bella Itri 		frankciccone50
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Hello Everyone - My father's family migrated to US in 1927.  My
Grandmother's name was Lucia Corpolongo and her mother's maiden name
was Ruggieri. I have no facts to dispute that they were all born in
Itri.  My father's name was Umberto Antonio Ciccone, his father:
Francesco Paolo Ciccone was the son of Antonio Ciccone and Maria
Nardillo...all of Itri.
   My wife and I have been to Itri on two occasions and we are planning
to return in October.
   We enjoy connecting with other Itrane's or anyone that loves Italy.

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#455 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: Bella Itri 		saccocciom
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We are related to Ruggieri's. I think my paternal grandfather's mother was a Ruggieri.  Grandfather was Guiseppe Saccoccio of Cambridge, MA.  He had Ruggieri cousins in RI. 

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Thu, 2/12/09, frankciccone50 <annetteciccone@...> wrote:
From: frankciccone50 <annetteciccone@...>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] Bella Itri
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 5:09 PM

Hello Everyone - My father's family migrated to US in 1927. My
Grandmother' s name was Lucia Corpolongo and her mother's maiden name
was Ruggieri. I have no facts to dispute that they were all born in
Itri. My father's name was Umberto Antonio Ciccone, his father:
Francesco Paolo Ciccone was the son of Antonio Ciccone and Maria
Nardillo...all of Itri.
My wife and I have been to Itri on two occasions and we are planning
to return in October.
We enjoy connecting with other Itrane's or anyone that loves Italy.




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#456 From: "clay_angelo" <clayangelo@...>
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: Saccoccio / Ruggieri Connection 		clayangelo@...
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Hi,

My name is Robert Schaefer. My great grandfather, Luigi Ruggieri, came
over to New York from Itri with his wife, Luci Saccoccio, and his
sister Giovanna on 21-Feb-1898 on the vessel "Scindia" leaving from
Naples.

If anyone has any information about who there parents could have been,
it would be appreciated.

Regards,

Robert Schaefer

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#457 From: "bstravato" <bstravato@...>
Date: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		bstravato@...
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--My name is Benito Stravato and my mother's maiden name was maria saccoccio. I
emigrated from Itri in november of 1961.My grandfather's name was Alessandro
Saccoccio and his wife 's name was Angela. I woould be appreciative if someone
could tell me of any relatives or relationship to their families, given the fact
that I am familiar with all the last names of people listed in these e-mails. I
send my deepest condolonces for the death of Marie Saccoccio.
Benito




- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...> wrote:
>
> So sorry to hear this. Please pass along my condolences.
>
>
>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Itri1@... <Itri1@...> wrote:
>
> From: Itri1@... <Itri1@...>
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 2:03 PM
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> I am so sorry for your loss.  Elena will be included in my prayers.
>  
> Be well.
>  
> Kathy & Joe Agresti
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gcpezza@aol. com
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009 10:03 am
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
>
> > To All,
> >
> > Domanic Livoli's mother Elena (Helen) Livoli (Pezza) passed away
> > this morning. She was also my Aunt and I will miss her dearly. I
> > hope all will join me in?giving Dominic along with his Sister
> > Janice and Brother Paul and family our deepest sympathies.
> >
> > Gregory C. Pezza
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marie saccoccio
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:51 pm
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My paternal grandmother and her sisters were entered on a ship
> > to this country as Sodi.? The ship's manifest was somehow
> > interpreted and later?entered as Lodi.? It took me years to
> > figure that out.? I never suspected the first letter to have
> > been different.? ?I have also seen their name as DeSodi.? Really
> > irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them
> > back very far.? Lord knows what their names were.? I have met a
> > cousin whose name is Sodi in Terracina.? So, it is a real name.?
> >
> >
> >
> > Marie Elena Saccoccio
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
> >
> > From: Linda Peloquin
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:37 PM
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > The name mutations are one thing, I think, that are the hardest
> > concept for novice researchers to embrace and to deal with.?
> > Some of them take quite an active imagination to come up with
> > and some just defy explanation. ? It takes a bit to learn that
> > just because a particular spelling is the standard accepted form
> > today, it always wasn't so and that there not only were those
> > changes that you site which to me appear to be more for the
> > convenience of those who made the changes but a whole list of
> > other factors that cause name changes in daily use or as
> > mistakes in records.
> >
> > Some of my "best" are the 1900 census where I searched forever
> > for Hubby's great-grandfather? Benjamin Poliquin (our current
> > Peloquin itself is a 1920's mutation of the Poliquin surname)
> > and finally found him because I was looking for Cavicchi....
> > .I'd found a letter to Hubby's grandmother during a cleanout of
> > the old family home signed "Your Brother-in-law Ercole"...who
> > the heck is that???... that was on his company's letterhead.?
> > Turned out, Ercole, wife Elmina nee Poliquin (Ben's dau) & kids
> > were living with g-grandpa Ben 1900.? I hadn't be able to find
> > Benjamin Poliquin in the past no matter what I'd thought of &
> > tried because he was enumerated as Perkins.? I've since learned
> > the trick of searching on Ancestry by using only the given name
> > and limiting the results by filling in other details. I might
> > have found Ben sooner & without the Cavicchi letter had I known
> > that technique back then.
> >
> > And the second best was looking for my gg-randmother DeBow in
> > NY.? Not only did she not stay on Staten Island where she'd last
> > been but her name was mutated in Ancestry's indexes. ? Her
> > mutation was a function of a faded census image.? She was
> > indexed as Lebas.? I've since entered corrections to both
> > Perkins/Poliquin and Lebas/DeBow at Ancestry.
> >
> > Most of my name changes, fortunately, have been
> > logical...Giovanni to John, Giuseppe to Joseph, Rosalina to
> > Rose, etc or relatively minor like Poliquin to Peloquin or
> > Fornaro (my maiden) to Fornara for my Dad's cousins.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio wrote:
> >
> > From: marie saccoccio
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > funny how the names get changed.? I have one relative whose name
> > was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to
> > Anita.? Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went
> > to school it was changed to Eunice.? ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Marie Elena Saccoccio
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
> >
> > From: Linda Peloquin
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM
> >
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> >
> > HI Marie,
> >
> > Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme
> > branch about her? Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you
> > about.? After checking with the older generations here's what I
> > was told:
> >
> > Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same
> > woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that
> > as I delved into this family in more depth. ? The ONei and
> > Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the
> > official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many
> > of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.
> >
> > There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group
> > according to one of the family elders but having now had the
> > chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in
> > the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded
> > to that of Beatrice.? We are still checking on this but I think
> > that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of
> > those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups.?
> >
> > As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm
> > sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.? This family
> > group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little
> > surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found
> > via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the
> > general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component
> > to this particular family grouping.
> >
> > Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back
> > while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be
> > connected to one degree or another - but at least this
> > information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the
> > group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a
> > match.
> > Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better
> > job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because
> > some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get
> > up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44?in front of
> > Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as
> > grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's
> > wonderfully "maintained" roads.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
> >
> > From: marie saccoccio
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.?
> > Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common
> > name.? there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode
> > Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to
> > this country.? He had first cousins in RI with names?like
> > Anthony, Alexander.? He was related to the Ruggieri's on his
> > mother's side.? Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that.?
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> > ?
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> > We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.??
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> > Marie Elena Saccoccio
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> > ?
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> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin
> > wrote:
> > From: Linda Peloquin
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM
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> > Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !
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> > Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain
> > Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds
> > today.? *BRRRRR*
> >
> > Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the
> > Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day?
> > SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch.?
> >
> > Do you have ....
> >
> > Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife? Domenica Uneglia* b.
> > abt. 1883?
> > ??? Their children - all born Cranston:
> > ???? Philomeme "Fannie"? Riccitelli? b. abt.1914, living
> > Cranston 2001
> > ???? Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
> > ???? Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston
> > (William J. Silva)
> > ???? Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
> > ???? Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
> > ???? Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
> > ???? Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
> > ???? Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
> > ???? Pat b. ?? d. bef. Sept. 1995
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> > *A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's
> > wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.? I haven't
> > gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is
> > paired with Luigi.? I've tried to contact the tree owner
> > regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.?
> > I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree
> > owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like
> > to share information but never get replies.
> >
> > Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my
> > CELLEMMEs.? She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of
> > my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO
> > & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME.?
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> > Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first
> > cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9
> > months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.?
> > Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I
> > grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people
> > the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them
> > as "uncle" & "aunt".
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> > Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?
> >
> > Linda
> > ????
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
> >
> > From: marie saccoccio
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:21 PM
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> > Welcome Paula!!? I think we have some Mancini's here in
> > Cambridge. Do you have relatives in Cambridge as well???
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> > Marie Elena Saccoccio
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> > ?
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> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco wrote:
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> > Subject: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:26 AM
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> > Just came across your group by accident. Both my paternal and maternal
> > ancestors are from Itri. Some family names are Ialongo, Mancini,
> > Tatta and I believe Sinapi. My maternal grandparents settled in New
> > York City in 1904, although we did have an Anthony Mancini
> > living in
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> > I visited Itri 3 years ago and couldn't believe the growth in
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#458 From: marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
Date: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:32 am
Subject: Re: Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie 		saccocciom
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Hey, Marie Saccoccio is alive and kicking!! I am here last time I checked.  LOL  Alessandro and Angela are both family names.  I think the mother of my grandfather, Guiseppi Saccoccio, was named Angela Saccoccio.  Not sure how this factors in and there are other relatives with the name Alesandra and Alessandrina (female).  Also, my father had a cousin in Rhode Island named Alexander Saccoccio.  These are all Saccoccio's here.  I cannot recall my grandfather's brother's name but will find out.  That brother remained in Itri and never came to this country.   Also, there was a Benito or Benedetto Saccoccio here is Cambridge.  I think he was my grandfather's age and was a cousin. 
 
I will try to get you more info.  I have it stored somehwere on my computer.   

Marie Elena Saccoccio
 


--- On Wed, 3/18/09, bstravato <bstravato@...> wrote:

From: bstravato <bstravato@...>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] Re: 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 4:59 PM

--My name is Benito Stravato and my mother's maiden name was maria saccoccio. I emigrated from Itri in november of 1961.My grandfather' s name was Alessandro Saccoccio and his wife 's name was Angela. I woould be appreciative if someone could tell me of any relatives or relationship to their families, given the fact that I am familiar with all the last names of people listed in these e-mails. I send my deepest condolonces for the death of Marie Saccoccio.
Benito

- In FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@ ...> wrote:
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> So sorry to hear this. Please pass along my condolences.
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> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Itri1@... <Itri1@...> wrote:
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> From: Itri1@... <Itri1@...>
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 2:03 PM
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> I am so sorry for your loss.  Elena will be included in my prayers.
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> Be well.
>  
> Kathy & Joe Agresti
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gcpezza@aol. com
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009 10:03 am
> Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
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> > To All,
> >
> > Domanic Livoli's mother Elena (Helen) Livoli (Pezza) passed away
> > this morning. She was also my Aunt and I will miss her dearly. I
> > hope all will join me in?giving Dominic along with his Sister
> > Janice and Brother Paul and family our deepest sympathies.
> >
> > Gregory C. Pezza
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marie saccoccio
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:51 pm
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
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> > My paternal grandmother and her sisters were entered on a ship
> > to this country as Sodi.? The ship's manifest was somehow
> > interpreted and later?entered as Lodi.? It took me years to
> > figure that out.? I never suspected the first letter to have
> > been different.? ?I have also seen their name as DeSodi.? Really
> > irritating and I have never been able to actually trace them
> > back very far.? Lord knows what their names were.? I have met a
> > cousin whose name is Sodi in Terracina.? So, it is a real name.?
> >
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> >
> > Marie Elena Saccoccio
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
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> > From: Linda Peloquin
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:37 PM
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> > The name mutations are one thing, I think, that are the hardest
> > concept for novice researchers to embrace and to deal with.?
> > Some of them take quite an active imagination to come up with
> > and some just defy explanation. ? It takes a bit to learn that
> > just because a particular spelling is the standard accepted form
> > today, it always wasn't so and that there not only were those
> > changes that you site which to me appear to be more for the
> > convenience of those who made the changes but a whole list of
> > other factors that cause name changes in daily use or as
> > mistakes in records.
> >
> > Some of my "best" are the 1900 census where I searched forever
> > for Hubby's great-grandfather? Benjamin Poliquin (our current
> > Peloquin itself is a 1920's mutation of the Poliquin surname)
> > and finally found him because I was looking for Cavicchi....
> > .I'd found a letter to Hubby's grandmother during a cleanout of
> > the old family home signed "Your Brother-in-law Ercole"...who
> > the heck is that???... that was on his company's letterhead.?
> > Turned out, Ercole, wife Elmina nee Poliquin (Ben's dau) & kids
> > were living with g-grandpa Ben 1900.? I hadn't be able to find
> > Benjamin Poliquin in the past no matter what I'd thought of &
> > tried because he was enumerated as Perkins.? I've since learned
> > the trick of searching on Ancestry by using only the given name
> > and limiting the results by filling in other details. I might
> > have found Ben sooner & without the Cavicchi letter had I known
> > that technique back then.
> >
> > And the second best was looking for my gg-randmother DeBow in
> > NY.? Not only did she not stay on Staten Island where she'd last
> > been but her name was mutated in Ancestry's indexes. ? Her
> > mutation was a function of a faded census image.? She was
> > indexed as Lebas.? I've since entered corrections to both
> > Perkins/Poliquin and Lebas/DeBow at Ancestry.
> >
> > Most of my name changes, fortunately, have been
> > logical...Giovanni to John, Giuseppe to Joseph, Rosalina to
> > Rose, etc or relatively minor like Poliquin to Peloquin or
> > Fornaro (my maiden) to Fornara for my Dad's cousins.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, marie saccoccio wrote:
> >
> > From: marie saccoccio
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM
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> > funny how the names get changed.? I have one relative whose name
> > was Natira and when she went to school they changed it to
> > Anita.? Another's name was Inez or Annunciata and when she went
> > to school it was changed to Eunice.? ?
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> > Marie Elena Saccoccio
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Linda Peloquin wrote:
> >
> > From: Linda Peloquin
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:57 AM
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> > HI Marie,
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> > Well, I was waiting to hear from contact who is in the Cellemme
> > branch about her? Saccoccia family that I'd inquired to you
> > about.? After checking with the older generations here's what I
> > was told:
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> > Mary D. ONei/O'Nei and Domenica Uneglia are the same
> > woman....Maria Domenica Uneglia. I was beginning to suspect that
> > as I delved into this family in more depth. ? The ONei and
> > Oneilli that I saw in a record are a mutation and now the
> > official version of Domenica's surname that occurred, as so many
> > of these things do, upon processing for entry into the US.
> >
> > There never was an Evelyn in this particular family group
> > according to one of the family elders but having now had the
> > chance to check the censuses, there was an Evelyn included in
> > the household of Luigi & Domenica in 1920 whose age corresponded
> > to that of Beatrice.? We are still checking on this but I think
> > that Evelyn is either Beatrice's middle name or another one of
> > those annoying but numerous enumerator screw-ups.?
> >
> > As you've said, there are a lot of Saccoccia"s around and I'm
> > sure more than one Luigi, Domenica and Maria/Mary.? This family
> > group would have been in Knightsville, Cranston ...little
> > surprise there.... and most of the descendants that I've found
> > via the Projo on line also seemed to have remained in the
> > general Cranston area so there doesn't seem to be a MA component
> > to this particular family grouping.
> >
> > Well, no link, recent at least - perhaps a few generations back
> > while still in Itri; most of our families there seem to be
> > connected to one degree or another - but at least this
> > information is now in the archives here so if someone now in the
> > group or a new person joins and has Saccoccia"s, they may find a
> > match.
> > Off to play on the roads now....I hope they have done a better
> > job today than last week when I got stuck in Greenville because
> > some fool with his rear wheel drive SUV gunned it trying to get
> > up the hill & got himself sideways across Rt. 44?in front of
> > Windsor School blocking both eastbound lanes in the slick as
> > grease 5" of salty slush that had accumulated on RI's
> > wonderfully "maintained" roads.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
> >
> > From: marie saccoccio
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:36 AM
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> > I don't think I have Cellemme's in the family, not here anyway.?
> > Antonio Saccoccio may be a relative but it is such a common
> > name.? there are sooooo many Saccoccio's from Itri in Rhode
> > Island. My grandfather only had one brother who never came to
> > this country.? He had first cousins in RI with names?like
> > Anthony, Alexander.? He was related to the Ruggieri's on his
> > mother's side.? Louis Saccoccio is a cousin, I know that.?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > We really have very few Saccoccio's in Mass.??
> >
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> >
> > Marie Elena Saccoccio
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> > ?
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> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Linda Peloquin
> > wrote:
> > From: Linda Peloquin
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani -- Saccoccio Question for Marie
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 11:07 AM
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> > Merry Christmas All from Blustery RI !
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> > Missed out on a White Christmas thanks to warm temps & rain
> > Christmas Eve but awoke to a dusting of snow & strong winds
> > today.? *BRRRRR*
> >
> > Marie, I've been working on my family tree some over the
> > Christmas break and noticed that I have some modern day?
> > SACCOCCIO's married into my CELLEMME branch.?
> >
> > Do you have ....
> >
> > Luigi Saccoccia b. 20 Mar 1884 Itri & wife? Domenica Uneglia* b.
> > abt. 1883?
> > ??? Their children - all born Cranston:
> > ???? Philomeme "Fannie"? Riccitelli? b. abt.1914, living
> > Cranston 2001
> > ???? Louise Cellemme b. abt. 1926 living Orange Park, FL 2001
> > ???? Frances Silva b. 25 Mar 1919 d. 23 Apr 2001Cranston
> > (William J. Silva)
> > ???? Beatrice Saccoccia b. 18 Jul 1914 d. Apr 1980 RI
> > ???? Evelyn b. abt. 1914 d. ?
> > ???? Ralph b. 20 Apr 1916 d. 17 Sept 1985 North Providence
> > ???? Antonio b. 11 May 1908 d. Nov 1976 RI
> > ???? Benny b. abt. 1911 d. bef. Sept. 1995
> > ???? Pat b. ?? d. bef. Sept. 1995
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> > *A Cellemme tree at Ancestry says - Mary D. O'nie for Luigi's
> > wife but daughter Frances Silva's obit says Domenica.? I haven't
> > gotten into the censuses & other records yet to see what lady is
> > paired with Luigi.? I've tried to contact the tree owner
> > regarding Mary through the Ancestry system but so far no reply.?
> > I sometimes wonder if the system works since I've contacted tree
> > owners clearly stating that their tree tied into mine & I'd like
> > to share information but never get replies.
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> > Luigi & Domenica's daughter Louise is who married into my
> > CELLEMMEs.? She married Raymond Eugene Cellemme who was a son of
> > my father's older sister Carolina aka Clara CELLEMME nee FORNARO
> > & her husband Ottavio CELLEMME.?
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> > Obviously, Raymond's mother was my aunt, he is/was a first
> > cousin but it's a big family; Raymond was born in 1921 abt. 9
> > months after my mother was born and 30 years before me.?
> > Needless to say, given the ages of some of my first cousins, I
> > grew-up a somewhat confused child on account of having people
> > the same ages or a bit older than my parents referring to them
> > as "uncle" & "aunt".
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> > Do you have my CELLEMME's in a branch?
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> > Linda
> > ????
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> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, marie saccoccio wrote:
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> > From: marie saccoccio
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] 100% Itrani
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
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> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, ptgreco wrote:
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> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
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#459 From: "kobie2726" <kobie2726@...>
Date: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:12 pm
Subject: help on birth record from Itri for legal use 		kobie2726
Send Email Send Email
  
I need to request a copy of my grandfather's birth record from Itri for use in
obtaining my Italian citizenship jure sanguinis (through ancestry).  All of the
Italian language form letters that I have found on the web are written for
genealogical purposes, not legal.  I am looking for the proper Italian phrasing
so that I get the legally accepted certified version of the birth record.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom Capotosto

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#460 From: "Stephanie" <sxp215@...>
Date: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: help on birth record from Itri for legal use 		sxp215
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Hi Tom,

Here is the letter I used for my Jure Sanguinis birth certificate request.  I
was recognized in February 2007.  I simply amended one of the genealogical
letters I found in a book.  I'm sure the grammar is terrible, but it worked.  I
wrote out the gist of the letter in English and sent that along, too, for good
measure.  It took about 6 weeks to get a response from the town of Borgetto.

Hope that helps,
Stephanie

*****

Giugno 8, 2005


Egrègi Signori,


Mi chiamo Stephanie Petruso.  Ito negli Stati Uniti.  Cérco informazioni
riguardo ai miei antenati.  Sto provando per verificarsi cittadinanza doppia con
l'Italia.

Vi sarei grato se potétte spedirme il atto di náscita del mio bisnónno e della
bisnónna.

Il nóme del mio bisnónno é Francesco Petruso.  É nato il 21 novémbre 1879 a
Borgetto.  Il nóme del suo padre é Domenick Petruso.  Il nóme della sua madre é
Madeline Vicagari.  Francesco é emigrato negli Stati Uniti nel 1903.

Il nóme della mia bisnónna é Marianna o Maria Frisina.  É nato il 8 maggio 1890
a Borgetto. É emigrato negli Stati Uniti nel 1906.

Per favóre, potette spedirmi il atto compéto in carta legale? Informilo prego di
quanto pagamento da trasmettere.  Nel caso che I informazióne non síano
disponíbile vi prégo di inviarmi una riposte negitiva.

Inclúdo Quattro tagliandi di postale universale.  Lei ringrazio gentilmente per
il suo aiuto.


Cordialmente vóstro,



Stephanie L. Petruso


Indirizzo: 		 Email:
Street Address 	 slp@...
Town, State, Zip
USA




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June 8, 2005


Dear Sir,


My name is Stephanie Petruso and I live in the United States.  I am looking for
information about my great grandparents in order to get dual citizenship with
Italy.

I would appreciate if you could send me the birth records of my great
grandmother and great grandfather.

The name of my great grandfather was Francesco Petruso.  He was born November
21,1879 in Borgetto, in the province of Palermo.   The name of his father was
Domenick Petruso.  The name of his mother was Madeline Vicagari.  Francesco
immigrated to the United States in 1903.

The name of my great grandmother was Marianna (or Maria) Frisina.  She was born
May 8, 1890.  She immigrated to the United States in 1906.

If possible, could you send me their birth records on legal paper? Please let me
know through email or mail of any payment I owe.  If you are unable to find this
information, please send a reply in the negative.

I have included four international reply certificates.  Thank you so much for
your assistance.

Sincerely,




Stephanie L. Petruso












--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "kobie2726" <kobie2726@...> wrote:
>
> I need to request a copy of my grandfather's birth record from Itri for use in
obtaining my Italian citizenship jure sanguinis (through ancestry).  All of the
Italian language form letters that I have found on the web are written for
genealogical purposes, not legal.  I am looking for the proper Italian phrasing
so that I get the legally accepted certified version of the birth record.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Capotosto
>

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#461 From: PAUL SHAPCOTT <ph.shapcott@...>
Date: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: help on birth record from Itri for legal use 		paul462815
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I may be able to help.  I actually live in Itri
 
Louise


--- On Sat, 21/3/09, kobie2726 <kobie2726@...> wrote:
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Subject: [FraDiavolo] help on birth record from Itri for legal use
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 11:12 PM

I need to request a copy of my grandfather' s birth record from Itri for use in obtaining my Italian citizenship jure sanguinis (through ancestry). All of the Italian language form letters that I have found on the web are written for genealogical purposes, not legal. I am looking for the proper Italian phrasing so that I get the legally accepted certified version of the birth record. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom Capotosto



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#462 From: Jason Soscia <jsoscia3@...>
Date: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: help on birth record from Itri for legal use 		jsoscia3
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I wrote to Itri to get some birth records a few years ago.  They were very accommodating. 
They stamped the official seal on them without even my asking.

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, PAUL SHAPCOTT <ph.shapcott@...> wrote:
From: PAUL SHAPCOTT <ph.shapcott@...>
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] help on birth record from Itri for legal use
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 8:30 AM

I may be able to help.  I actually live in Itri
 
Louise


--- On Sat, 21/3/09, kobie2726 <kobie2726@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: kobie2726 <kobie2726@yahoo. com>
Subject: [FraDiavolo] help on birth record from Itri for legal use
To: FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 11:12 PM

I need to request a copy of my grandfather' s birth record from Itri for use in obtaining my Italian citizenship jure sanguinis (through ancestry). All of the Italian language form letters that I have found on the web are written for genealogical purposes, not legal. I am looking for the proper Italian phrasing so that I get the legally accepted certified version of the birth record. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom Capotosto




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#463 From: "Louis J. Saccoccio" <louissaccoccio@...>
Date: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:34 am
Subject: Hello and Happy to be back 		louissaccoccio@...
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It has been some time since I have placed a message on this site.  Life has been
pretty hectic this past year or so.

My name is Louis Saccoccio. I was born and raised in Cranston (Knightsville)
Rhode Island (USA) where many immigrants from Itri settled in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.  My grandparents, Michele Arcangelo Saccoccio and
Arcangela Stamegna, came to the US in 1912. In the neighborhood of Knightsville
the family names were (and still are for the most part) Saccoccio, Sinapi,
Ruggieri,Pezza, Mancini,Cardi, Manzi, Matrulo, Maggiacomo, Ialongo, Agresti,
etc, etc.
As some of you may know, the Sinapi brothers own and operate "Bar Appia" in
Itri.  They lived in Knightsville for about 25 years and returned to Itri. 
Obviously they are fluent in English and are a great resource when you visit.

Some of the names in my family tree include Felice Saccoccio born in Itri in
1849.  His mother was Maria Saccoccio who was the daughter of  Bambino Saccoccio
and his wife Maria Schiapo.  Other names that appear in the line of descent
include my great grandmother Filomena Danella and others such as Loretta Picano,
Marianna Tuccinardi,and Guiseppe Grossi - all born in Itri (mostly spouses of
Saccoccio ancenstors.)

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#464 From: "clay_angelo" <clayangelo@...>
Date: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:27 am
Subject: Re: Hello and Happy to be back 		clay_angelo
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Hi Louis,

I was wondering if you have ever come across a Lucia "Lucy" Saccoccio.
She was born in the mid-1860's in Itri, married Luigi Ruggieri and moved to NYC
in 1898.

Regards,

Robert Schaefer

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#465 From: "Louis J. Saccoccio" <louissaccoccio@...>
Date: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:19 am
Subject: Re: Hello and Happy to be back 		louissaccoccio@...
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No Robert I have not come across Lucia Saccoccio but I grew up knowing a large
Ruggieri family.  I don't know if they have traced their family background. 
However, I see several of them every year on St Mary's Day (the feast of the
Madonna della Civita) which is still a large feast celebrated in Knightsville
every July as it is in Itri and will ask them about this person.

Lou Saccoccio


--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "clay_angelo" <clayangelo@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Louis,
>
> I was wondering if you have ever come across a Lucia "Lucy" Saccoccio.
> She was born in the mid-1860's in Itri, married Luigi Ruggieri and moved to
NYC in 1898.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Schaefer
>

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