His real name was also Louis Saccoccio and we used to get mixied up
with each other. His nickname was "Jacksie" and he was a firefighter
for the City of Cranston for a while. His brothers were Carl
Saccoccio and I believe Alex Saccoccio who I remember by his
nickname "Alie" or "Alie-Upe>" He also had a sister named Carol
Saccoccio.

--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@...>
wrote:
>
> The names Frank and Tony are familiar. There was also someone
named "Jackson" Saccoccio that my sister and I stayed with, I think
in Providence. I think his daughter was Stephanie and wife, Josie.
I do think we are related. My grandfather had many first cousins in
Providence and Cranston.
>
> louissaccoccio <louissaccoccio@...> wrote: We could be. My
grandfather was Michele Arcangelo Saccoccio and my
> grandmother Arcangela Stamegna which is also a popular name in
Itri.
> They were both born in Itri, married in 1911 and immigrated to
> Cranston (Knightsville) Rhode Island in 1912. They had 10 children
> Philip, Romulas aka Remus, Frank, Anthony, Mary, Louis, Adeline,
> Pasquale, Salvatore and John. My father was Louis and my uncle John
> is the only living survivor of the group. My cousin developed a
> family tree with the help of my father's cousin Benedetto Saccoccio
> who is now in his 80's but has returned to Itri many times. I would
> be happy to share it with anyone.
>
> I met a young man on-line named Rubino Saccoccio who lives in Lucca
> which is in Tuscany near Pisa but his parents still live in Itri. I
> shared the family tree with him and he recently wrote to me saying
> his mother and uncle have recognized some of the names. We are
> trying to determine if we are related. My wife and I were their
> guests for dinner when we were there. Homemade Sunday dinner at the
> Saccoccio's was great.
>
> One last note. You can drive around the Castle but inside the
Castle
> there are lanes or alleys which are too narrow to be called steets.
> One is Vico Saccoccio which means Saccoccio lane or alley.
>
> --- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "marie elena saccoccio"
> <saccocciom@> wrote:
> >
> > Louis,
> >
> > We must be related! I am Marie Elena Saccoccio from Cambridge,
> MA. My
> > grandfather was Guiseppi Saccoccio, born in Itri, and settled in
> > Cambridge. I think he only had one brother who remained in Italy.
> > However, he had many cousins in Rhode Island. My father was Dan
> > Saccoccio. He died years ago but knew all the Rhode Island
> cousins.
> >
> > --- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "louissaccoccio"
> > <louissaccoccio@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am just joining this group. My wife and I visted Itri for St
> > > Joseph's day last year. It was wonderful. For those who have
> not
> > > been, this is a big celebration with huge barn fires in every
> piaza,
> > > along with live music and different food. We stayed at the Il
> > Grottone
> > > hotel and restaurant and can recommend it to anyone who has not
> been
> > > there yet. This was our second visit to Itri. We also traveled
> to
> > the
> > > surrounding areas including Formia, Gaeta & Sperlonga which is
a
> > > beautiful seaside resort area.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marie Elena Saccoccio
>
>
>
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We stayed in Formia on our first trip to Italy.  It was in a
beautiful hotel on the Mediteranean Sea.   Formia is a lovely town
and if you have never been there you must go!

--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, DestinyLad@... wrote:
>
> Louis..
>
> I'm fairly certain that those of the Ciccone and Petrone families
of Formia settled in the New York area as the name 'Itri' was never
mentioned by either maternal grandparent, whereas, Formia was always
heard.  Also, from what has appeared on our news group, it does seem
like the Ciccone family from Itri settled in the Rhode Island area.
>
> Not only am I related to the Formia Ciccone and Petrone families,
but also the Orlandi family of Formia which my paternal grandmother,
Maria Louisa Orlandi, belonged to.  Maria married a naval officer
from either Naples or Rome, by the name of Pasquale Pezzella, my
paternal grandfather.  Their son Mario was my father.
>
> So,iIf you're ever 'digging' around in Formia and, if by some
chance you happen to remember those names, or hear any mention of
those families, I will be forever grateful to be advised of your
findings.
>
> A BIG thanks for responding to my message.  Your offer of
assistance is kind, generous and  very much appreciated.
>
> My Best..
> Renata Pezzella Young
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: louissaccoccio@...
> To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 4:49 PM
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] Re: Just joined the group!
>
>
>
> I will look this up for you.  However, I have a friend who is
married
> to a Marie Ciccone and my Italian language instructor is young
woman
> named Daniella Ciccone who still has family in Itri.  Her aunt and
> uncle run a market in Itri called Peppino's which I visited.  She
has
> another uncle that runs an insurance agency in Itri. I will pass
this
> information to both of them.  Sorry for the confusing e-mail
address
> but my name is Louis Saccoccio, not Louisa.
>
> --- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, DestinyLad@ wrote:
> >
> > Hello...
> >
> > My grandmother (in spirit now) came to America with sisters, at
> about 16 years of age.  She was of the Ciccone family from Formia.
> >
> > Do you have any information on:  My grandmother:  Elvira Ciccone
> Parisi.  (married to Louis Parisi)
> > Her sister's name (my mother's aunt & my great aunt):  Jennie
> Ciccone Petrone.  (married to Anthony Petrone)
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Renata Pezzella Young
> > DestinyLad@
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gcpezza@
> > To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Just joined the group!
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Do you have a Domenica Capatosto married to Giochinno Pezza about
> 1840?
> >
> > Greg Pezza
> >
> > Pezza, Ciccone, Meschino, Del Bove, Capatosto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Ciao tutti

If anyone is interested in the 1806 catasto for Itri, I got someone
who will photocopy all the pages in the Napoli Archives for 200 to
300 dollars.  She doesn't do the translation, however.  She is a
professional Italian genealogist.  And, it would be cheaper than the
1000 euro (abt $1200) for the 1754 Itri catasto that we did.

Once again the catasto is basically the census for Itri in the year
1806.

If anyone is interested in splitting the cost, let me know.

By the way, the previous researcher (the one who did the 1754
catasto) also said he might be able to do the 1806 catasto for 1000
euro again (with the translation of course and sent as a text
document).  But for this one it's too expensive unless I get like a
bunch of people to split the cost again.

Jason

---

To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
From: judytucci@...
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:56:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Catasto Itri 1806

Hi Jason- I would be interested in helping defray costs for this. Wish I could translate Italian though. How's the response been so far? Judy

On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:55 PM, JSoscia wrote:

Ciao tutti

If anyone is interested in the 1806 catasto for Itri, I got someone
who will photocopy all the pages in the Napoli Archives for 200 to
300 dollars. She doesn't do the translation, however. She is a
professional Italian genealogist. And, it would be cheaper than the
1000 euro (abt $1200) for the 1754 Itri catasto that we did.

Once again the catasto is basically the census for Itri in the year
1806.

If anyone is interested in splitting the cost, let me know.

By the way, the previous researcher (the one who did the 1754
catasto) also said he might be able to do the 1806 catasto for 1000
euro again (with the translation of course and sent as a text
document). But for this one it's too expensive unless I get like a
bunch of people to split the cost again.

Jason

Ciao tutti

If anyone is interested in the 1806 catasto for Itri, I got someone
who will photocopy all the pages in the Napoli Archives for 200 to
300 dollars. She doesn't do the translation, however. She is a
professional Italian genealogist. And, it would be cheaper than the
1000 euro (abt $1200) for the 1754 Itri catasto that we did.

Once again the catasto is basically the census for Itri in the year
1806.

If anyone is interested in splitting the cost, let me know.

By the way, the previous researcher (the one who did the 1754
catasto) also said he might be able to do the 1806 catasto for 1000
euro again (with the translation of course and sent as a text
document). But for this one it's too expensive unless I get like a
bunch of people to split the cost again.

Jason

Louise and Paul Shapcott have very nicely offered to do their best to
get the information in those early baptismal records for our group,
possibly in the form of digital photos.  So, let's all keep our
fingers crossed and wish them good luck!  Keep us posted on any
progress Paul and Louise.

A presto,  -Jason

Grazie mile Paul and Louise!

-- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "JSoscia" <jsoscia3@...> wrote:
>
> Louise and Paul Shapcott have very nicely offered to do their best to
> get the information in those early baptismal records for our group,
> possibly in the form of digital photos.  So, let's all keep our
> fingers crossed and wish them good luck!  Keep us posted on any
> progress Paul and Louise.
>
> A presto,  -Jason
>

-
I'm also interested.  Let me know the amount of the contribution.

Lou Saccoccio

-- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "JSoscia" <jsoscia3@...> wrote:
>
> Ciao tutti
>
> If anyone is interested in the 1806 catasto for Itri, I got someone
> who will photocopy all the pages in the Napoli Archives for 200 to
> 300 dollars.  She doesn't do the translation, however.  She is a
> professional Italian genealogist.  And, it would be cheaper than
the
> 1000 euro (abt $1200) for the 1754 Itri catasto that we did.
>
> Once again the catasto is basically the census for Itri in the year
> 1806.
>
> If anyone is interested in splitting the cost, let me know.
>
> By the way, the previous researcher (the one who did the 1754
> catasto) also said he might be able to do the 1806 catasto for 1000
> euro again (with the translation of course and sent as a text
> document).  But for this one it's too expensive unless I get like a
> bunch of people to split the cost again.
>
> Jason
>

-
I'm also interested. Let me know the amount of the contribution.

Lou Saccoccio

-- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "JSoscia" <jsoscia3@...> wrote:
>
> Ciao tutti
>
> If anyone is interested in the 1806 catasto for Itri, I got someone
> who will photocopy all the pages in the Napoli Archives for 200 to
> 300 dollars. She doesn't do the translation, however. She is a
> professional Italian genealogist. And, it would be cheaper than
the
> 1000 euro (abt $1200) for the 1754 Itri catasto that we did.
>
> Once again the catasto is basically the census for Itri in the year
> 1806.
>
> If anyone is interested in splitting the cost, let me know.
>
> By the way, the previous researcher (the one who did the 1754
> catasto) also said he might be able to do the 1806 catasto for 1000
> euro again (with the translation of course and sent as a text
> document). But for this one it's too expensive unless I get like a
> bunch of people to split the cost again.
>
> Jason
>

My grandparents were Gemma Uberto (born 1889), who married Antonio
Milano from Caserta.  They later moved and settled in Utica, NY.  Any
paisanos out there?

Jason
Definitely count me in. The earlier Catasto was
excellent and the 1809 one would provide a good link
back from the FHC microfilm that start about that
time.

Though photocopies are better than transcription. I
suspect that the earlier transcription had mistakes in
it and it frustrating to not be able to check the
original.

Combined the members of this group probably have the
best knowledge of genealogical records for Itri than
anyone else.  I suggest that we make digital copies (I
could scan them) and ask people to transcribe a number
of pages - then get others to check the
transcriptions.  That way we could produce an accurate
transcription for every-one - it does not make sense
for each of us to transcribe them independently.

Vince Sandrone

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Google maps has good map and satellite photos of Itri. Use the map
view to display street names or search for the street names.

Check them out - it does not need a download like google earth.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=itri,italy&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=41.292\
125,13.527603&spn=0.012898,0.043259&om=1

Google keep changing the setup - so if it does not work then search
for Itri ion http://maps.google.com/

Vince Sandrone

Google maps has good map and satellite photos of Itri. Use the map
view to display street names or search for the street names.

Check them out - it does not need a download like google earth.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=itri,italy&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=41.292125,13.527603&spn=0.012898,0.043259&om=1

Google keep changing the setup - so if it does not work then search
for Itri ion http://maps.google.com/

Vince Sandrone

--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "vince_sandrone"
<vince_sandrone@...> wrote:
>
> Google maps has good map and satellite photos of Itri. Use the map
> view to display street names or search for the street names.
>
> Check them out - it does not need a download like google earth.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?
f=q&hl=en&q=itri,italy&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=41.292125,13.527603&spn=
0.012898,0.043259&om=1
>
> Google keep changing the setup - so if it does not work then search
> for Itri ion http://maps.google.com/
>
> Vince Sandrone
>
I always get a charge out of looking at the castle - my husband Val
keeps us all laughing about all the escapades he went on as a young
boy climbing in the tower and running all over the area! What a lark
for young boys to reallt play in a real castle!

If you see Via Campoli, it forks into two streets - the third street
in middle actually is going up to top of that mountain and deadends
at our family's olive farm land - we sit on my brother in law's
balconia and watch the tankers out in the harbor!


--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "vince_sandrone"
<vince_sandrone@...> wrote:
>
> Google maps has good map and satellite photos of Itri. Use the map
> view to display street names or search for the street names.
>
> Check them out - it does not need a download like google earth.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?
f=q&hl=en&q=itri,italy&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=41.292125,13.527603&spn=
0.012898,0.043259&om=1
>
> Google keep changing the setup - so if it does not work then search
> for Itri ion http://maps.google.com/
>
> Vince Sandrone
>

We have a Francesca Capotosto born 09 Dec 1901 died  01 Jul 1988 who
had married someone in the DiCrocco family (have not figured out yet
who she married but....) her son is buried next to her in Itri - he
was C. Alberto DiCrocco 16 Feb 1930 died 10 Mar 1946. I video taped
most of our family graves in Itri - and in Campodimele!

--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Fusco" <tcfusco@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My husband's grandparents were born in Itri. I have done a great
deal or
> research on them. I am really hopeful that we can go visit. Do you
have any
> information on places to stay? We'd be going in the summer. Most
likely next
> summer.
>
> His family name is Fusco and Capotosto.
> Other names are Manzi, Lorello, Saccoccio (Maria Giovanna
Saccoccio married
> Giuseppe Antonio Fusco Sept 18, 1850 and Maddalena Saccoccio
married
> Alesandro DiBiase), Fabrizio, Agresti, Di Biase, Moretti Di
Mascolo,
> Addessi, Manzo, and Stravato.
>
> My late father-in-law went to Irti once in his youth before getting
married.
> We have very few pictures from his trip. One was from the first
communion of
> Ida Capotosto. I have no information on who she is. Obviously
related but I
> wish I knew more. You start doing this research and you get caught
up
> wanting to know so much more about these relatives. I know there
are still
> relatives in Itri but no contact has been kept so they would not
know us.
>
> Well, any information on where to stay, what and when to do things
would be
> great. We'd also visit Rome. Any idea how far by car?
>
> Thanks,
> Teresa Fusco
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. J. Di Crocco" <BonVal@...>
> To: <FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:27 PM
> Subject: [FraDiavolo] A Couple Interesting Links to Itri and
Madonna Della
> Civita
>
>
> > Thought you might all enjoy these links to the Itri area -- we
travel
> > every year and I love it! My husband is a native of Itri -- and
most of
> > family is still there! Sorry but I am not sure if these links are
> > clickable or not!
> > http://www.infomediaonline.com/paesi2.htm
> >
> > http://www.al-nofi.com/home/nofi/default.cfm#top
> >
> > http://www.fradiavoloitri.org/
> >
> > http://www.santuariodellacivita.it/default.htm
> > This one is of the Santuario di Madonna della Civita in Itri!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

---

To: FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com
From: vince_sandrone@...
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:32:02 +1000
Subject: [FraDiavolo] Re:Catasto Itri 1806

Jason
Definitely count me in. The earlier Catasto was
excellent and the 1809 one would provide a good link
back from the FHC microfilm that start about that
time.

Though photocopies are better than transcription. I
suspect that the earlier transcription had mistakes in
it and it frustrating to not be able to check the
original.

Combined the members of this group probably have the
best knowledge of genealogical records for Itri than
anyone else. I suggest that we make digital copies (I
could scan them) and ask people to transcribe a number
of pages - then get others to check the
transcriptions. That way we could produce an accurate
transcription for every-one - it does not make sense
for each of us to transcribe them independently.

Vince Sandrone

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

I just received a purchase of this from LDS - it encompasses years late
1500's to 1905 -- the records for Italy are by no means compelte - only
one disc is from Italy - other countries are Alpine, Beneluz, French,
German and Spanish Regions - the miulti disc set cost $27 including
postage - it came lots faster than the suggested 4-6 weeks (took one
week) -- all that said -- this is remarkable! Even with so much missing
from the Italian records, I found plenty from our area! And it was
fabulous!!! I was able to document positively folks I was not sure
belonged to us via cross referencing names of couples, their parents,
and wedding dates versus birth dates! Anyway I now have 511 folks I
know for positive are related - just those on the Italian connection -
back to 1774! Add these to the newly ordered set we are all planning on
and I should be able to cement a few more generations!
I have been working on organization and cross referencing to keep
everyone sorted. So far color coding helps to divide out main line from
inlaws - but  then I found that writing out the 6 generation pedigree
charts with family group sheets for every couple filled in completely
with all information known helps to find some connections.
Interestingly I have found many of the originals we had saved from our
late parent's collections of originals had names spelled wrong or names
dropped off -- and even a couple first names totally wrong (fortunately
none were surnames - just given or that is first names)!  And in our
family they adhered to the rule of naming son for grandfather so every
other generation shares the same first name for about 5 generations!
Sigh!
Bonnie

Bouno sera! How is everyone? Jason - any news on this project - when
do we need to send you a check - and we will need your address of
course! I neglected to mention, I do not mind the original Italian
also - I have been teaching myself Italian slowly (no formal classes
near here so study on mine own) and have done extremely well
considering! Ha! I do better reading than speaking - get embarassed
at my mostly spanish accent!
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "JSoscia" <jsoscia3@...> wrote:
>
> Ciao tutti
>
> If anyone is interested in the 1806 catasto for Itri, I got someone
> who will photocopy all the pages in the Napoli Archives for 200 to
> 300 dollars.  She doesn't do the translation, however.  She is a
> professional Italian genealogist.  And, it would be cheaper than
the
> 1000 euro (abt $1200) for the 1754 Itri catasto that we did.
>
> Once again the catasto is basically the census for Itri in the year
> 1806.
>
> If anyone is interested in splitting the cost, let me know.
>
> By the way, the previous researcher (the one who did the 1754
> catasto) also said he might be able to do the 1806 catasto for 1000
> euro again (with the translation of course and sent as a text
> document).  But for this one it's too expensive unless I get like a
> bunch of people to split the cost again.
>
> Jason
>

Bouno sera! How is everyone? Jason - any news on this project - when
do we need to send you a check - and we will need your address of
course! I neglected to mention, I do not mind the original Italian
also - I have been teaching myself Italian slowly (no formal classes
near here so study on mine own) and have done extremely well
considering! Ha! I do better reading than speaking - get embarassed
at my mostly spanish accent!
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, "JSoscia" <jsoscia3@...> wrote:
>
> Ciao tutti
>
> If anyone is interested in the 1806 catasto for Itri, I got someone
> who will photocopy all the pages in the Napoli Archives for 200 to
> 300 dollars. She doesn't do the translation, however. She is a
> professional Italian genealogist. And, it would be cheaper than
the
> 1000 euro (abt $1200) for the 1754 Itri catasto that we did.
>
> Once again the catasto is basically the census for Itri in the year
> 1806.
>
> If anyone is interested in splitting the cost, let me know.
>
> By the way, the previous researcher (the one who did the 1754
> catasto) also said he might be able to do the 1806 catasto for 1000
> euro again (with the translation of course and sent as a text
> document). But for this one it's too expensive unless I get like a
> bunch of people to split the cost again.
>
> Jason
>

I just received a purchase of this from LDS - it encompasses years late
1500's to 1905 -- the records for Italy are by no means compelte - only
one disc is from Italy - other countries are Alpine, Beneluz, French,
German and Spanish Regions - the miulti disc set cost $27 including
postage - it came lots faster than the suggested 4-6 weeks (took one
week) -- all that said -- this is remarkable! Even with so much missing
from the Italian records, I found plenty from our area! And it was
fabulous!!! I was able to document positively folks I was not sure
belonged to us via cross referencing names of couples, their parents,
and wedding dates versus birth dates! Anyway I now have 511 folks I
know for positive are related - just those on the Italian connection -
back to 1774! Add these to the newly ordered set we are all planning on
and I should be able to cement a few more generations!
I have been working on organization and cross referencing to keep
everyone sorted. So far color coding helps to divide out main line from
inlaws - but then I found that writing out the 6 generation pedigree
charts with family group sheets for every couple filled in completely
with all information known helps to find some connections.
Interestingly I have found many of the originals we had saved from our
late parent's collections of originals had names spelled wrong or names
dropped off -- and even a couple first names totally wrong (fortunately
none were surnames - just given or that is first names)! And in our
family they adhered to the rule of naming son for grandfather so every
other generation shares the same first name for about 5 generations!
Sigh!
Bonnie

It lists by surname search - birth records and marriage records.
Then it shows by city and region - most of these are the civil
records. So they for example on a wedding certificate show name of
groom, then spouse - their ages in years at time of marriage - then
they show where it was registered - Itri or CastdG (castile di Gaeta)-
  then they show groom's parents - including mother's maiden name -
and the same for the bride! So you gain four more people behind those
two -- and if you subtract the ages from the year of marriage, you
figure the approximate birth year - then you can continue to search
for birth records around then - using the generational naming pattern
allows you to second guess a grandparent's name - although I was
wrong once or twice it did bring me to other family memebers like
uncles and aunts! Those of course help you back to family with their
records!And because this is a digital data system it is all neatly
typed in and easier to read than microfilm! I can honestly say I have
made more progress in one week than I have in two years! It is
suddenly falling into place so nicely! 'Course it could just be I
finally am on a learning curve but it has been so exciting! One of
the highlights - on microfilm I found a birth certificate for someone
named Crocco (mother) - so I photocopied it and saved it - not sure
why. But a few moonths later I found another DiCrocco and I ahve
learned to save all references to our last name so I had this one.
Well this week studying these two records - translating them to
English - I found they are the same couple - but in the one record
they dropped the di! Even the people signing as witnesses were the
same - and parents of both mother and father - identical! Side note
to this - three years apart they had daughters - named both with same
first name but differing middle names - suspect I should search for a
death certificate for the first Maria.... sigh.
FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, Jason S <jsoscia3@...> wrote:
>
> What sort of records on that CD were from Itri?
>
> "B. J. Di Crocco" <BonVal@...> wrote:          I just received a
purchase of this from LDS - it encompasses years late
> 1500's to 1905 -- the records for Italy are by no means compelte -
only
> one disc is from Italy - other countries are Alpine, Beneluz,
French,
> German and Spanish Regions - the miulti disc set cost $27 including
> postage - it came lots faster than the suggested 4-6 weeks (took
one
> week) -- all that said -- this is remarkable! Even with so much
missing
> from the Italian records, I found plenty from our area! And it was
> fabulous!!! I was able to document positively folks I was not sure
> belonged to us via cross referencing names of couples, their
parents,
> and wedding dates versus birth dates! Anyway I now have 511 folks I
> know for positive are related - just those on the Italian
connection -
> back to 1774! Add these to the newly ordered set we are all
planning on
> and I should be able to cement a few more generations!
> I have been working on organization and cross referencing to keep
> everyone sorted. So far color coding helps to divide out main line
from
> inlaws - but then I found that writing out the 6 generation
pedigree
> charts with family group sheets for every couple filled in
completely
> with all information known helps to find some connections.
> Interestingly I have found many of the originals we had saved from
our
> late parent's collections of originals had names spelled wrong or
names
> dropped off -- and even a couple first names totally wrong
(fortunately
> none were surnames - just given or that is first names)! And in our
> family they adhered to the rule of naming son for grandfather so
every
> other generation shares the same first name for about 5
generations!
> Sigh!
> Bonnie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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It lists by surname search - birth records and marriage records.
Then it shows by city and region - most of these are the civil
records. So they for example on a wedding certificate show name of
groom, then spouse - their ages in years at time of marriage - then
they show where it was registered - Itri or CastdG (castile di Gaeta)-
then they show groom's parents - including mother's maiden name -
and the same for the bride! So you gain four more people behind those
two -- and if you subtract the ages from the year of marriage, you
figure the approximate birth year - then you can continue to search
for birth records around then - using the generational naming pattern
allows you to second guess a grandparent's name - although I was
wrong once or twice it did bring me to other family memebers like
uncles and aunts! Those of course help you back to family with their
records!And because this is a digital data system it is all neatly
typed in and easier to read than microfilm! I can honestly say I have
made more progress in one week than I have in two years! It is
suddenly falling into place so nicely! 'Course it could just be I
finally am on a learning curve but it has been so exciting! One of
the highlights - on microfilm I found a birth certificate for someone
named Crocco (mother) - so I photocopied it and saved it - not sure
why. But a few moonths later I found another DiCrocco and I ahve
learned to save all references to our last name so I had this one.
Well this week studying these two records - translating them to
English - I found they are the same couple - but in the one record
they dropped the di! Even the people signing as witnesses were the
same - and parents of both mother and father - identical! Side note
to this - three years apart they had daughters - named both with same
first name but differing middle names - suspect I should search for a
death certificate for the first Maria.... sigh.
FraDiavolo@yahoogroups.com, Jason S <jsoscia3@...> wrote:
>
> What sort of records on that CD were from Itri?
>
> "B. J. Di Crocco" <BonVal@...> wrote: I just received a
purchase of this from LDS - it encompasses years late
> 1500's to 1905 -- the records for Italy are by no means compelte -
only
> one disc is from Italy - other countries are Alpine, Beneluz,
French,
> German and Spanish Regions - the miulti disc set cost $27 including
> postage - it came lots faster than the suggested 4-6 weeks (took
one
> week) -- all that said -- this is remarkable! Even with so much
missing
> from the Italian records, I found plenty from our area! And it was
> fabulous!!! I was able to document positively folks I was not sure
> belonged to us via cross referencing names of couples, their
parents,
> and wedding dates versus birth dates! Anyway I now have 511 folks I
> know for positive are related - just those on the Italian
connection -
> back to 1774! Add these to the newly ordered set we are all
planning on
> and I should be able to cement a few more generations!
> I have been working on organization and cross referencing to keep
> everyone sorted. So far color coding helps to divide out main line
from
> inlaws - but then I found that writing out the 6 generation
pedigree
> charts with family group sheets for every couple filled in
completely
> with all information known helps to find some connections.
> Interestingly I have found many of the originals we had saved from
our
> late parent's collections of originals had names spelled wrong or
names
> dropped off -- and even a couple first names totally wrong
(fortunately
> none were surnames - just given or that is first names)! And in our
> family they adhered to the rule of naming son for grandfather so
every
> other generation shares the same first name for about 5
generations!
> Sigh!
> Bonnie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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