Nice work on the Razor/Cobra Bill. You're right; Cobra5 looks like she's moving
fast even while she's sitting still.

btw, our club will be submitting a batch of new registrations right after our
Footy building party over New Year's.

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <billhagerup@...> wrote:
>
> I just posted some pics of my latest efforts on the RCSailing forum.  If
you're interested, go here
>
>
http://www.rcsailing.net/forum1/showthread.php?5653-Razor4-and-Cobra5-developing\
-the-themes&p=55736#post55736
>
> Bill
>

LWL

Yep, I know what you're thinking Bill.... and you're right.

LWL = 14.375" (365mm)
LOA = 15.25"  (387mm)

;-)

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <billhagerup@...> wrote:
>
> Chris, did you calculate that ratio using LWL or LOA?
>
> Bill
>
> --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "solingpoolshark" <CSTAIGER@> wrote:
> >
> > William,
> >
> > Chuck Black is currently cutting me two custom suits ('A' & 'B' rigs) from
Tri-Spi material. If the weight of the sails is what I expect, the new 'A'-rig,
with 212 square inches of sail area, should weigh only about 3/4-ounce (~21
grams).
> >
> > This would put the all-up displacement for Pool Shark (including batteries)
at just under a pound (~450 grams). This would put Pool Shark's Displ./Length
ratio @ 1.25: lower than any Footy except MoonShadow.
> >
> >
> > --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Wm. E. Parker" <wmeparker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for the pictures, boat looks great!   Like the wing rig,
> > > perhaps it just needs some tweeking.  With your current rig, what is the
> > > displacement, if I may ask?
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> > > Of solingpoolshark
> > >   Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:56 PM
> > >   To: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Subject: [FootyUSA] Pool Shark 3D Update - New Photos & Details
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   I have posted new photos of the Prototype in action, as well as the
first
> > > "production" hull/deck combo:
> > >
> > >  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FootyUSA/photos/album/1436710001/pic/list;js
> > > essionid=F157526398A86DEDCCE031331BDD57A7.
> > >
> > >   Note the new "Wing" rig for heavier air. It is fabricated from two
sheets
> > > of 1mm thick depron foam sandwiched around a 4mm carbon tube. Works very
> > > well in heavier air, but is EXTREMELY tricky to sail; kinda requires you
to
> > > learn sailing all over again.
> > >   For this reason, I am currently developing a new cat-style rig similar
to
> > > Graham McAllistor's "Opus" rig for his Dragon design.
> > >
> > >   Note that the new production deck fits nicely into the hull molding and
is
> > > glued in place with plain old plastic cement; makes construction very
> > > simple.
> > >
> > >   I have already formed a pretty good pile of hulls and decks (as well as
> > > casting custom lead bulbs), and our local club members (BMYC) will be
> > > meeting over New Years for a building party to assemble our first fleet of
> > > Pool Sharks.
> > >
> > >   Hopefully, I will have some variations of the new rig tested within the
> > > next couple weeks, and will post the results here.
> > >
> > >   Stay tuned.....
> > >
> >
>

I just posted some pics of my latest efforts on the RCSailing forum.  If you're
interested, go here

http://www.rcsailing.net/forum1/showthread.php?5653-Razor4-and-Cobra5-developing\
-the-themes&p=55736#post55736

Bill

Chris, did you calculate that ratio using LWL or LOA?

Bill

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "solingpoolshark" <CSTAIGER@...> wrote:
>
> William,
>
> Chuck Black is currently cutting me two custom suits ('A' & 'B' rigs) from
Tri-Spi material. If the weight of the sails is what I expect, the new 'A'-rig,
with 212 square inches of sail area, should weigh only about 3/4-ounce (~21
grams).
>
> This would put the all-up displacement for Pool Shark (including batteries) at
just under a pound (~450 grams). This would put Pool Shark's Displ./Length ratio
@ 1.25: lower than any Footy except MoonShadow.
>
>
> --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Wm. E. Parker" <wmeparker@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks very much for the pictures, boat looks great!   Like the wing rig,
> > perhaps it just needs some tweeking.  With your current rig, what is the
> > displacement, if I may ask?
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> > Of solingpoolshark
> >   Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:56 PM
> >   To: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [FootyUSA] Pool Shark 3D Update - New Photos & Details
> >
> >
> >
> >   I have posted new photos of the Prototype in action, as well as the first
> > "production" hull/deck combo:
> >
> >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FootyUSA/photos/album/1436710001/pic/list;js
> > essionid=F157526398A86DEDCCE031331BDD57A7.
> >
> >   Note the new "Wing" rig for heavier air. It is fabricated from two sheets
> > of 1mm thick depron foam sandwiched around a 4mm carbon tube. Works very
> > well in heavier air, but is EXTREMELY tricky to sail; kinda requires you to
> > learn sailing all over again.
> >   For this reason, I am currently developing a new cat-style rig similar to
> > Graham McAllistor's "Opus" rig for his Dragon design.
> >
> >   Note that the new production deck fits nicely into the hull molding and is
> > glued in place with plain old plastic cement; makes construction very
> > simple.
> >
> >   I have already formed a pretty good pile of hulls and decks (as well as
> > casting custom lead bulbs), and our local club members (BMYC) will be
> > meeting over New Years for a building party to assemble our first fleet of
> > Pool Sharks.
> >
> >   Hopefully, I will have some variations of the new rig tested within the
> > next couple weeks, and will post the results here.
> >
> >   Stay tuned.....
> >
>

William,

Chuck Black is currently cutting me two custom suits ('A' & 'B' rigs) from
Tri-Spi material. If the weight of the sails is what I expect, the new 'A'-rig,
with 212 square inches of sail area, should weigh only about 3/4-ounce (~21
grams).

This would put the all-up displacement for Pool Shark (including batteries) at
just under a pound (~450 grams). This would put Pool Shark's Displ./Length ratio
@ 1.25: lower than any Footy except MoonShadow.


--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Wm. E. Parker" <wmeparker@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks very much for the pictures, boat looks great!   Like the wing rig,
> perhaps it just needs some tweeking.  With your current rig, what is the
> displacement, if I may ask?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of solingpoolshark
>   Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:56 PM
>   To: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [FootyUSA] Pool Shark 3D Update - New Photos & Details
>
>
>
>   I have posted new photos of the Prototype in action, as well as the first
> "production" hull/deck combo:
>
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FootyUSA/photos/album/1436710001/pic/list;js
> essionid=F157526398A86DEDCCE031331BDD57A7.
>
>   Note the new "Wing" rig for heavier air. It is fabricated from two sheets
> of 1mm thick depron foam sandwiched around a 4mm carbon tube. Works very
> well in heavier air, but is EXTREMELY tricky to sail; kinda requires you to
> learn sailing all over again.
>   For this reason, I am currently developing a new cat-style rig similar to
> Graham McAllistor's "Opus" rig for his Dragon design.
>
>   Note that the new production deck fits nicely into the hull molding and is
> glued in place with plain old plastic cement; makes construction very
> simple.
>
>   I have already formed a pretty good pile of hulls and decks (as well as
> casting custom lead bulbs), and our local club members (BMYC) will be
> meeting over New Years for a building party to assemble our first fleet of
> Pool Sharks.
>
>   Hopefully, I will have some variations of the new rig tested within the
> next couple weeks, and will post the results here.
>
>   Stay tuned.....
>

-----Original Message-----
From: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of solingpoolshark
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:56 PM
To: FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FootyUSA] Pool Shark 3D Update - New Photos & Details

 

I have posted new photos of the Prototype in action, as well as the first "production" hull/deck combo:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FootyUSA/photos/album/1436710001/pic/list;jsessionid=F157526398A86DEDCCE031331BDD57A7.

Note the new "Wing" rig for heavier air. It is fabricated from two sheets of 1mm thick depron foam sandwiched around a 4mm carbon tube. Works very well in heavier air, but is EXTREMELY tricky to sail; kinda requires you to learn sailing all over again.
For this reason, I am currently developing a new cat-style rig similar to Graham McAllistor's "Opus" rig for his Dragon design.

Note that the new production deck fits nicely into the hull molding and is glued in place with plain old plastic cement; makes construction very simple.

I have already formed a pretty good pile of hulls and decks (as well as casting custom lead bulbs), and our local club members (BMYC) will be meeting over New Years for a building party to assemble our first fleet of Pool Sharks.

Hopefully, I will have some variations of the new rig tested within the next couple weeks, and will post the results here.

Stay tuned.....

An Odd/Even is very simple to run.  Essentially, the boats are assigned to
either the Odd heat or the Even heat for Race #1.  Order of assignment does not
matter.  The two heats for Race #1 are run and finish places recorded.  Then,
the Odd heat of Race #2 is made up of the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th etc.-place
finishers from both heats of Race #1 and the Even heat of Race #2 is made up of
the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, etc. place finishers of Race #1.

Similarly, the odd finishers of Race #2 compete in the Odd heat of Race #3 while
the even finishers of Race #2 are in the Even heat.

With Odd/Even, everyone gets to race against everyone else in the Regatta. 
There is no class distinction of Gold/Silver.  Yet, the two winners of heats in
one race will face off in the next race.

In TWEAT, there are two conditions which can lead to disruption of the Odd/Even
placement.  One occurs whenever the number of boats in each heat is an Odd
number.  For example, in a 30 boat race, each heat has 15 boats.  That means
there will be 16 odd finishers (the 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 and 15 in each heat) and
only 14 even finishers (2,4,6,8,10,12,14 in each heat).  To equalize heat size,
TWEAT moves one of the 15th place finishers to the Even heat of the next race.

Similarly, a Withdrawal can really upset the Odd/Even assignments.  If (worst
case) a 1st place finisher withdraws from the next race, TWEAT will fill in the
empty 1st place slot with a 2nd - which is then filled with a 3rd, etc.  Since
there is no class (or scoring) distinction between the two heats, there is no
significant advantage gained or lost either way.

Scoring is quite simple since the scores of each race are simply added,
throwouts are applied, tie-breakers are analyzed and the winner is identified. 
The fact that there are two   winners (1s) and two 2nd place (2s) and two thirds
(3s) in each race (one for each heat) is pretty-much lost once 6 or so races are
run.

I won't address the differences between Odd/Even and P/R.  There are people who
like each for different reasons.  I think that the cream will always rise to the
top regardless of who the competitors might be and what the scoring format is. 
Compared to a RYGged start, Odd-Even is a cakewalk for a good skipper.  If fact,
his/her closes competition is in the other heat for 50% of the races!

Enjoy,
Carl

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, GEmmert@... wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis:  Exactly how do you run an Odd/Even Regatta?  I  understand the
> Promotion/Relegation system...So, if possible, shoot me something  about
> this system.  In 14 years sailing model yachts/Racing them, I have  never run
> into the Odd/Even number placement system.
> Personally, I love the MATRIX...and the club in Melbourne has a Matrix set
> that covers 16 to 32 boats or more if necessary.  I do, too.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/8/2009 9:28:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> dkrasoski001@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> This system is most likely the one we will be using at the NCR. Things move
>  along really quickly with this software.
>
> --- In _FootyUSA@yahoogroupFooty_ (mailto:FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com) ,
> "carljhansen" <carljhansen@car> wrote:
> >
> > To all who  are interested:
> > TWEAT AVAILABILITY & NEW WEB SITE:
> > Rather  than send out emails in the future to those I know have interest,
> I have set  up a TWEAT Yahoo Group where the current version of software
> and documentation  will always be available. The Group Name is (duhh) TWEAT
> and can be found at
> > _http://groups.http://grohttp://group_
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TWEAT/)
> >  Emails containing suggestions or comments can be sent to the group at
> TWEAT@
> >
> > CURRENT VERSION:
> > Version 2.2 is on the web  and no changes have been made since a bug was
> discovered at the R/C Laser NA  Championship Regatta. The bug only
> materialized when more than 32 boats were  in a Regatta. It was not a logic
problem,
> simply that a formula had not been  copied into all of the cells that needed
> it. The documentation is still the  V2.0 document.
> >
> > USE TO DATE:
> > As of today (12/6/09),  TWEAT has been used at five Regional & National
> Regattas  including:
> > 2009 Marco Island MYC (Marco Island, FL) R/C Laser Region 3  Regatta
> > 2009 Housatonic MYC (Middlebury, CT) SeaWind NCR
> > 2009  Sunday Sloopers (Orlando, FL) MicroMagic OMMO NCR
> > 2009 Tred Avon YC  (Oxford, MD) R/C Laser NA Championship (Prelim Round)
> > 2009 Les Lacs YC  (McKinney, TX) SeaWind Region 5 Regatta
> > Please keep the TWEAT web site  up to date on all future regatta use.
> >
> > PLANS &  DEVELOPMENT:
> > I am working on a (sort of) new version of TWEAT which I  am calling
> TWEAT GOLD. It is not a replacement for the ODD/EVEN system, but  will allow
> either a Two-Heat Promotion/Relegatio I am working on a (sort of) new version
> of TWEAT which I  am calling TWEAT GOLD. It is not a replacement for the ODD
> > Users will be able to split the fleet, initially, in  one of 3 ways. They
> can either:
> > 1. Use a special, one-race (two-heat)  race to determine placement â€" this
> result will NOT be included in the final  scoring (the selection of the
> lineups for this race will be using a  mathematical algorithm to attempt
> randomness).
> > 2. Use the results of  an ODD/EVEN TWEAT spreadsheet (just by entering a
> file name) to determine the  split (This would have been useful at the Laser
> NA Regatta where Saturday's  TWEAT results would automatically populate
> Sunday's TWEAT GOLD  spreadsheet) 2
> > 3. Specifically identify boats in each heat by  some outside method.
> > Users will be able to specify the number of boats  to be promoted with a
> selection of 0 (zero) meaning the race will be a pure  Silver/Gold event.
> > For each race the first heat will be the Silver  heat and the second heat
> will be the Gold heat to comply with the P/R format.  Since the Gold heat's
> lineup will depend on the Silver results, printing of  the Finish tables at
> the start of each race will be a little different (not  all Gold
> participants are known before the Silver heat is run).
> > Users  will be able to ADD/WITHDRAW boats from a specific heat however
> there will be  a limit of one add and one withdraw per heat, per race.
> > The number of  boats will still be limited to a max of 20 boats per heat.
> This equates to a  total of 40 in a pure Silver/Gold, 39 with a 1 boat P/R,
> 38 with a 2 boat P/R,  etc.
> > Otherwise, everything that TWEAT does will be included, with  automatic
> throwouts, error checking, tie-breaking, etc. - and it will look the  same.
> >
> > Hope the system makes your Regatta (or even your club's  weekly sailing)
> more successful. Enjoy.
> > Carl Hansen
> > AMYA  #15863
> > R/C Laser #1970
> > Victoria #1352
> > Footy #315  #316 #317 #318
> >
>

Thanks Marc, I might take you up on that, then maybe get on Amtrac....I'll check
out the options.

Bill



--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, marc smith <marcjsmith@...> wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> If I end up driving  I could get you form O-town to DC...
>

Having seen your van loaded, Jim, I didn't think you'd have any room left over. 
It would help if you could take my boat, so I wouldn't have to drag it out west
on my business trip.

Thanks.....Bill

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, Jim Linville <jimisu@...> wrote:
>
> Bill: Sorry, but Herb and I are going South to sail in the US One
> Meter Nationals the week before. There's no way we can get all the
> boats, sails, tools, transmitters, chargers, batteries, clothing for
> two weeks (and all that jazz) in the minivan with a third person. We
> will, however, be happy to transport your boat(s) to and from
> Florida, and my guess is that that alone will make life a lot easier
> for you.  --Jim Linville
>

Bill: Sorry, but Herb and I are going South to sail in the US One
Meter Nationals the week before. There's no way we can get all the
boats, sails, tools, transmitters, chargers, batteries, clothing for
two weeks (and all that jazz) in the minivan with a third person. We
will, however, be happy to transport your boat(s) to and from
Florida, and my guess is that that alone will make life a lot easier
for you.  --Jim Linville

I have posted new photos of the Prototype in action, as well as the first
"production" hull/deck combo:

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FootyUSA/photos/album/1436710001/pic/list;jsession\
id=F157526398A86DEDCCE031331BDD57A7.

Note the new "Wing" rig for heavier air. It is fabricated from two sheets of 1mm
thick depron foam sandwiched around a 4mm carbon tube. Works very well in
heavier air, but is EXTREMELY tricky to sail; kinda requires you to learn
sailing all over again.
For this reason, I am currently developing a new cat-style rig similar to Graham
McAllistor's "Opus" rig for his Dragon design.

Note that the new production deck fits nicely into the hull molding and is glued
in place with plain old plastic cement; makes construction very simple.

I have already formed a pretty good pile of hulls and decks (as well as casting
custom lead bulbs), and our local club members (BMYC) will be meeting over New
Years for a building party to assemble our first fleet of Pool Sharks.

Hopefully, I will have some variations of the new rig tested within the next
couple weeks, and will post the results here.

Stay tuned.....

FOOTY  SAILBOATS USA

Messages In This Digest (2 Messages)

1a.

Ride home from Orlando? From: Bill

1b.

Re: Ride home from Orlando? From: marc smith

View All Topics | Create New Topic

Messages

1a.

Ride home from Orlando?

Posted by: "Bill" billhagerup@...   mudhenk27

Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:02 pm (PST)

Hi all,

I'm going to be working out on the west coast the week before the Nats. I'll fly from there to Orlando on Friday, but I'm wondering if anyone might be driving from New England that would have room to take me home? I'll gladly share expenses, if someone is willing to take on a hitchhicker.

Thanks....Bill

Back to top

Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post
Messages in this topic (2)

1b.

Re: Ride home from Orlando?

Posted by: "marc smith" marcjsmith@...   gatorsailer

Wed Dec 9, 2009 5:56 pm (PST)

Bill

If I end up driving I could get you form O-town to DC...

Back to top

Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post
Messages in this topic (2)

Recent Activity

•  2
  New Members

Visit Your Group

Yahoo! Groups

Going Green

Find green

groups and tips

Yahoo! Groups

Parenting Zone

Tips for a happy,

healthy home

Cat Zone

on Yahoo! Groups

Join a Group

all about cats.

Need to Reply?

Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest.

Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web

Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar

MARKETPLACE

Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living

---

Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living

Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

Bill

If I end up driving  I could get you form O-town to DC...

Hi all,

I'm going to be working out on the west coast the week before the Nats.  I'll
fly from there to Orlando on Friday, but I'm wondering if anyone might be
driving from New England that would have room to take me home?  I'll gladly
share expenses, if someone is willing to take on a hitchhicker.

Thanks....Bill

This system is most likely the one we will be using at the NCR. Things move
along really quickly with this software.

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "carljhansen" <carljhansen@...> wrote:
>
> To all who are interested:
> TWEAT AVAILABILITY & NEW WEB SITE:
> Rather than send out emails in the future to those I know have interest, I
have set up a TWEAT Yahoo Group where the current version of software and
documentation will always be available.  The Group Name is (duhh) TWEAT and can
be found at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TWEAT/
> Emails containing suggestions or comments can be sent to the group at
TWEAT@...
>
> CURRENT VERSION:
> Version 2.2 is on the web and no changes have been made since a bug was
discovered at the R/C Laser NA Championship Regatta.  The bug only materialized
when more than 32 boats were in a Regatta.  It was not a logic problem, simply
that a formula had not been copied into all of the cells that needed it.  The
documentation is still the V2.0 document.
>
> USE TO DATE:
> As of today (12/6/09), TWEAT has been used at five Regional & National
Regattas including:
> 2009 Marco Island MYC (Marco Island, FL) R/C Laser Region 3 Regatta
> 2009 Housatonic MYC (Middlebury, CT) SeaWind NCR
> 2009 Sunday Sloopers (Orlando, FL) MicroMagic OMMO NCR
> 2009 Tred Avon YC (Oxford, MD) R/C Laser NA Championship (Prelim Round)
> 2009 Les Lacs YC (McKinney, TX) SeaWind Region 5 Regatta
> Please keep the TWEAT web site up to date on all future regatta use.
>
> PLANS & DEVELOPMENT:
> I am working on a (sort of) new version of TWEAT which I am calling TWEAT
GOLD.  It is not a replacement for the ODD/EVEN system, but will allow either a
Two-Heat Promotion/Relegation system, or a Two-Heat Silver/Gold system.  It will
look and feel almost identical to the current TWEAT system.
> Users will be able to split the fleet, initially, in one of 3 ways.  They can
either:
> 1.  Use a special, one-race (two-heat) race to determine placement – this
result will NOT be included in the final scoring (the selection of the lineups
for this race will be using a mathematical algorithm to attempt randomness).
> 2.  Use the results of an ODD/EVEN TWEAT spreadsheet (just by entering a file
name) to determine the split (This would have been useful at the Laser NA 
Regatta where Saturday's TWEAT results would automatically populate Sunday's
TWEAT GOLD spreadsheet).
> 3.  Specifically identify boats in each heat by some outside method.
> Users will be able to specify the number of boats to be promoted with a
selection of 0 (zero) meaning the race will be a pure Silver/Gold event.
> For each race the first heat will be the Silver heat and the second heat will
be the Gold heat to comply with the P/R format.  Since the Gold heat's lineup
will depend on the Silver results, printing of the Finish tables at the start of
each race will be a little different (not all Gold participants are known before
the Silver heat is run).
> Users will be able to ADD/WITHDRAW boats from a specific heat however there
will be a limit of one add and one withdraw per heat, per race.
> The number of boats will still be limited to a max of 20 boats per heat.  This
equates to a total of 40 in a pure Silver/Gold, 39 with a 1 boat P/R, 38 with a
2 boat P/R, etc.
> Otherwise, everything that TWEAT does will be included, with automatic
throwouts, error checking, tie-breaking, etc. - and it will look the same.
>
> Hope the system makes your Regatta (or even your club's weekly sailing) more
successful.  Enjoy.
> Carl Hansen
>  AMYA  #15863
>  R/C Laser  #1970
>  Victoria  #1352
>  Footy  #315  #316  #317  #318
>

Scott, you truly will be missed. Hope the part grow back in good order!

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "scott_spacie" <scott_spacie@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Darrell" <dkrasoski001@> wrote:
> Darrell,
> I just got out of the hospital having left significant body parts behind, so I
will probably not make it to the Nationals this year.
>
> You ran a terriffic Regatta last year and I was really looking forward to
seeing my southern friends again this year, but that doesn't look likely.
>
> I will be sending at least one of my boats down to compete and check out the
new crop of Footy ideas.
>
> Best wishes,
> Scott
>

To all who are interested:
TWEAT AVAILABILITY & NEW WEB SITE:
Rather than send out emails in the future to those I know have interest, I have
set up a TWEAT Yahoo Group where the current version of software and
documentation will always be available.  The Group Name is (duhh) TWEAT and can
be found at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TWEAT/
Emails containing suggestions or comments can be sent to the group at
TWEAT@...

CURRENT VERSION:
Version 2.2 is on the web and no changes have been made since a bug was
discovered at the R/C Laser NA Championship Regatta.  The bug only materialized
when more than 32 boats were in a Regatta.  It was not a logic problem, simply
that a formula had not been copied into all of the cells that needed it.  The
documentation is still the V2.0 document.

USE TO DATE:
As of today (12/6/09), TWEAT has been used at five Regional & National Regattas
including:
2009 Marco Island MYC (Marco Island, FL) R/C Laser Region 3 Regatta
2009 Housatonic MYC (Middlebury, CT) SeaWind NCR
2009 Sunday Sloopers (Orlando, FL) MicroMagic OMMO NCR
2009 Tred Avon YC (Oxford, MD) R/C Laser NA Championship (Prelim Round)
2009 Les Lacs YC (McKinney, TX) SeaWind Region 5 Regatta
Please keep the TWEAT web site up to date on all future regatta use.

PLANS & DEVELOPMENT:
I am working on a (sort of) new version of TWEAT which I am calling TWEAT GOLD. 
It is not a replacement for the ODD/EVEN system, but will allow either a
Two-Heat Promotion/Relegation system, or a Two-Heat Silver/Gold system.  It will
look and feel almost identical to the current TWEAT system.
Users will be able to split the fleet, initially, in one of 3 ways.  They can
either:
1.  Use a special, one-race (two-heat) race to determine placement – this result
will NOT be included in the final scoring (the selection of the lineups for this
race will be using a mathematical algorithm to attempt randomness).
2.  Use the results of an ODD/EVEN TWEAT spreadsheet (just by entering a file
name) to determine the split (This would have been useful at the Laser NA 
Regatta where Saturday's TWEAT results would automatically populate Sunday's
TWEAT GOLD spreadsheet).
3.  Specifically identify boats in each heat by some outside method.
Users will be able to specify the number of boats to be promoted with a
selection of 0 (zero) meaning the race will be a pure Silver/Gold event.
For each race the first heat will be the Silver heat and the second heat will be
the Gold heat to comply with the P/R format.  Since the Gold heat's lineup will
depend on the Silver results, printing of the Finish tables at the start of each
race will be a little different (not all Gold participants are known before the
Silver heat is run).
Users will be able to ADD/WITHDRAW boats from a specific heat however there will
be a limit of one add and one withdraw per heat, per race.
The number of boats will still be limited to a max of 20 boats per heat.  This
equates to a total of 40 in a pure Silver/Gold, 39 with a 1 boat P/R, 38 with a
2 boat P/R, etc.
Otherwise, everything that TWEAT does will be included, with automatic
throwouts, error checking, tie-breaking, etc. - and it will look the same.

Hope the system makes your Regatta (or even your club's weekly sailing) more
successful.  Enjoy.
Carl Hansen
  AMYA  #15863
  R/C Laser  #1970
  Victoria  #1352
  Footy  #315  #316  #317  #318

Two of Scott's boats will be there. I'll be sailing the Micron he gave me.  And
Herb Dreher will be sailing his Razor 3.

GO Team Spacie!

Jim Linville

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "scott_spacie" <scott_spacie@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Darrell" <dkrasoski001@> wrote:
> Darrell,
> I just got out of the hospital having left significant body parts behind, so I
will probably not make it to the Nationals this year.
>
> You ran a terriffic Regatta last year and I was really looking forward to
seeing my southern friends again this year, but that doesn't look likely.
>
> I will be sending at least one of my boats down to compete and check out the
new crop of Footy ideas.
>
> Best wishes,
> Scott
>

Get well Scott. I hope you still have your thumbs. ;-)

John

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "scott_spacie" <scott_spacie@...> wrote:
> Darrell,
> I just got out of the hospital having left significant body parts behind, so I
will probably not make it to the Nationals this year.
>
> You ran a terriffic Regatta last year and I was really looking forward to
seeing my southern friends again this year, but that doesn't look likely.
>
> I will be sending at least one of my boats down to compete and check out the
new crop of Footy ideas.
>
> Best wishes,
> Scott
>

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Darrell" <dkrasoski001@...> wrote:
Darrell,
I just got out of the hospital having left significant body parts behind, so I
will probably not make it to the Nationals this year.

You ran a terriffic Regatta last year and I was really looking forward to seeing
my southern friends again this year, but that doesn't look likely.

I will be sending at least one of my boats down to compete and check out the new
crop of Footy ideas.

Best wishes,
Scott

Thank you for the good information.  It is interesting to see all of the
different approaches that people are taking.

Just to be clear, I have no connection whatsoever with the Shark!

wmeparker@... wrote:
> Thanks for posting that link.  That is not the page I was referring to, but it
is much better than the single photo I saw elsewhere.  Congratulations for
developing what looks to be a very successful design, perhaps a milestone.  Now,
a couple more pictures, one from the bow, one from the stern...
> ---- LR <lincolnr@...> wrote:
>
>> This is probably the picture:
>> http://sites.google.com/a/sharksail.com/www/club-footy-news/shark
>> snip

Probably the biggest problem in finding pictures of Footy boats being sailed in
Florida, is getting their designers and skippers to stop sailing them long
enough for pictures to be taken!  8^)

Bill





--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, <wmeparker@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to hurt feelings, just trying to make a joke about
America's Cup-like espionage.
>

Sorry, didn't mean to hurt feelings, just trying to make a joke about America's
Cup-like espionage.

---- Bernie ceilley <4bernie@...> wrote:
> Parker,
>
> Your sense of the Florida contingent not being interested in sharing is
> mistaken
> They are the most sharing group I've ever encountered, particularly
> Butch Bragg
> the designer of the Shark. If you want to know more about the Shark, you
> can contact
> him at bbragg1@.... Butch is a fine Footy builder and skipper and
> a super guy.
>
> Bernie Ceilley
> Footy #2308
>
> wmeparker@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > There is a broadside-on picture I found of the Shark, I will try to
> > find the link, although the picture is not very instructive. It would
> > be good to have a more comprehensive set of hull pictures, but I sense
> > the Florida contingent, for some reason, is not that interested in
> > sharing...:-}
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2534 - Release Date: 11/29/09
07:49:00
> >
> >

Thanks for posting that link.  That is not the page I was referring to, but it
is much better than the single photo I saw elsewhere.  Congratulations for
developing what looks to be a very successful design, perhaps a milestone.  Now,
a couple more pictures, one from the bow, one from the stern...
---- LR <lincolnr@...> wrote:
> This is probably the picture:
> http://sites.google.com/a/sharksail.com/www/club-footy-news/shark
> --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, Bernie ceilley <4bernie@...> wrote:
> >snip
> >
> > wmeparker@... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a broadside-on picture I found of the Shark, I will try to
> > > find the link, although the picture is not very instructive.
> snip
>

Nice looking boat!

--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "LR" <lincolnr@...> wrote:
>
> This is probably the picture:
> http://sites.google.com/a/sharksail.com/www/club-footy-news/shark
> --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, Bernie ceilley <4bernie@> wrote:
> >snip
> >
> > wmeparker@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a broadside-on picture I found of the Shark, I will try to
> > > find the link, although the picture is not very instructive.
> snip
>

This is probably the picture:
http://sites.google.com/a/sharksail.com/www/club-footy-news/shark
--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, Bernie ceilley <4bernie@...> wrote:
>snip
>
> wmeparker@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > There is a broadside-on picture I found of the Shark, I will try to
> > find the link, although the picture is not very instructive.
snip

 

There is a broadside-on picture I found of the Shark, I will try to find the link, although the picture is not very instructive. It would be good to have a more comprehensive set of hull pictures, but I sense the Florida contingent, for some reason, is not that interested in sharing...:-}

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2534 - Release Date: 11/29/09 07:49:00

There is a broadside-on picture I found of the Shark, I will try to find the
link, although the picture is not very instructive.  It would be good to have a
more comprehensive set of hull pictures, but I sense the Florida contingent, for
some reason, is not that interested in sharing...:-}