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Re: [FamilyRightsAdvocacyIMPROVEMENTProject] AFRA & more dirty tricks

Misty, I think it's more than just Billy doing this. I suspect Hinger/Blair and other AFRA puppetmasters injecting themselves into this fray using Bully Monster as a patsy for their antics. The Wikipedia editors are confused about 4 IP's making inappropriate editorial changes to my Wikipedia entry.

Maybe it is humorous watching them get caught with their pants down, but, to me, it is outrageous that any publication or concern which is NOT involved with our movement must deal with this kind of vandalism and intereference with their businesses. IT makes us ALL look so bad, it affects our credibility so much that all we will be remembered for is bad manners and abusive conduct. Our legitimate message about family rights witll be lost in the noise created by this kind of interference with normal business operations.

Remember what happened on Coloradoconfidential.com when the AFRA monsters started a huge flame war there in response to a published article about me? ColoConf actually had to shut the forum down and deny ANYONE the ability to comment because AFRA members were so out of  control using it to spew their hate and vitriol and lies. Even Dee's attempts to reason with them were met with accusations and abuse by them. Who them? Blair, Hinger, Durand, Cygan, Bully Monster and Fredericksx2 were easily identifable, despite their cowardly attempts at anonymity. There were others participating, too.

Now it happens at Wikipedia. They are an encylopedia! They don't take sides, and to insinuate AFRA's agenda into the Wikipedia forum in an effort to malign me is purely malicious and self-serving. This kind of conduct creates a devastating impression on outsiders and makes the vandals look worse. It is unprofessional, rude, abusive and expensive to the businesses that must deal with this childish temper tantrum conduct. AFRA doesn't care. AFRA does nothing to stop their membership or leadership from engaging in such abuse. AFRA ENCOURAGES this kind of abuse.

Kay is right about what we've done since this group was formed. I formed it, in part to PROVE that AFRA was behind numerous sabotage attempts against me and those working with me. We kept AFRA out of the information loop, and the sabotage disappeared. For the record, the sabotage occured on Leonard's watch and increased on Tower's watch. And AFRA did NOTHING to sanction any AFRA member for engaging in it. AFRA actually bragged about it and gloated over it. In fact, TOWER sued me and Effie for something neither one of us said. . .hoping to be some kind of AFRA HERO who takes me down. How pathetic. It's obvious AFRA no longer has any purpose but to destroy me and all the progress we have all made in the past 16 years.

For refusing to reign in their dogs; and for condoning these antics without reprisals; and for encouraging the continued online and offline sniping at non-AFRA advocates and activists, I CONDEMN AFRA as a liability to this movement and to credible family rights advocates and activists.

Suzanne



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Lol, it's been rather entertaining watching him hang himself.  I caught one note where he also claimed that a "sock IP" the admins were checking out was supposed to be Greg!!!  Turned out it was him though!  Once his user name Wisemanstudios was banned, he tried to come on anonymously through just his IP.  Didn't take them long, though to figure out the truth.  Then, he tried using this other IP to do damage!!!  Didn't take long for them to catch onto that, too, especially when he committed his little mistake!!!  I've been laughing my socks off.  It's good entertainment to watch an idiot go down!!!
 
Misty

lbe818@... wrote:
Dear Misty,
 
Well, what do you expect?  Billy claims that he is the son of a bank robber who never married his mother.  He also claims his Dad, Mr. William J. Wiseman, Sr., robbed other places.
 
He claims his Mother beat him as did his foster parents.  With a temper like his I guess is it any wonder?
 
effie


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Lol, it's been rather entertaining watching him hang himself. I caught one note where he also claimed that a "sock IP" the admins were checking out was...
misty ray
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May 10, 2007
10:22 pm

Misty, I think it's more than just Billy doing this. I suspect Hinger/Blair and other AFRA puppetmasters injecting themselves into this fray using Bully...
Suzanne Shell
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May 10, 2007
11:21 pm

well i "joined afra a few months ago not knowing where to go to talk with others that have had or have dcf involvement. there is nothing out there for us to...
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May 10, 2007
11:53 pm

Lisa Lighten up. Nobody was rude to you. My response was to Misty. Kay asked you to clarify, and instead, you go on some unexplained attack. It is regrettable...
Suzanne Shell
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May 11, 2007
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Wow, Suzanne. I didn't think about perhaps AFRA getting their hands dirty and perhaps trying to ruin their own reputations! I've just been watching the...
misty ray
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May 11, 2007
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I don't think Greg could be bothered waisting ]sic] his time being a smart allock who stalks Suzanne's life! Anyhow, it is also claimed by some that Billy's...
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May 10, 2007
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Lol, when I saw that Billy was trying to implicate Greg in this, I knew it was him, and that it was BS. He also accused me of being Kay! He stated that the...
misty ray
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May 11, 2007
11:18 am

Kay, I do not feel the same way here as you do I know you always try to see the good in people and look for the best in the motives and attitudes. But having...
Marlene
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May 10, 2007
11:36 pm

Now, Suzanne, please post the AFRA ip from wikipedia that is trying to imitate Billy. Thank you. effie Sorry that Lisa took my post the wrong way. She is more...
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May 11, 2007
3:05 am

Has publicly condemning it worked? Shunning them? I don't think so because everyone refuses to join together. It will take everyone to work on these problems...
Kay Henson
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May 11, 2007
11:51 am

Dear wife (?): The lamentable thing is that there still isn't a national organization which can spearhead the fight against CPS, and its eventual demise. All...
Gregory A. Hession
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May 11, 2007
2:10 pm

So, Greg, (dad?) how do we get to the point of being able to form that National Organization? Who should be involved? Who should not be involved? What about...
Kay Henson
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May 12, 2007
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My dear young daughter: The first step to creating a "new" movement is we quit ranting at ghosts and toothless monsters (Billy, Bully). Criticizing everyone...
Gregory A. Hession
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May 12, 2007
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Let's say, hypothetically, a new National Organization is formed. How do you stop the attacks we already know will come from happening? It's easy enough to not...
Kay Henson
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May 14, 2007
5:59 pm

Dear Daughter: Your question is a good one: You asked how we deal with sabotage if the "baggage carriers" are excluded from a new movement? They would...
Gregory A. Hession
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May 14, 2007
9:20 pm

That's real easy for you to say, Greg. Nobody is attacking you and your family. Get real. Ignoring them is EXACTLY what escalated them to this point. I thought...
Suzanne Shell
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May 14, 2007
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... From: Gregory A. Hession To: FamilyRightsAdvocacyIMPROVEMENTProject@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:15 PM Subject:...
Kay Henson
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May 17, 2007
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Dear Daughter: Your response below, suggesting that the bad guys can cause more disruption than I supposed, has some validity, but I still disagree with your...
Gregory A. Hession
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May 17, 2007
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Dear Greg, I disagree with some of what you posted regarding how to handle the situation. I believe that the older, wiser professional people involved in...
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May 28, 2007
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Dear Effie: 1. You are right to say that we should try to hold people accountable for their actions. It is wise to hold the bar high, and to ask people...
Gregory A. Hession
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May 28, 2007
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Oh boy-that has been picked up and run with, heehee, I see! Misty "Gregory A. Hession" <hession@...> wrote: Dear wife (?): The lamentable thing is that...
misty ray
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May 13, 2007
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Kay, We need a fair justice system. A code of honor and a set of acceptable behavior for members. We also need a set of clearly laid out consequences. People...
mbabymilan
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May 14, 2007
8:38 pm

Kay, Kay, Kay. . . We don't all have to work together in order to condemn unethical or bad behavior. We don't even have to like each other. But. . .as long as...
Suzanne Shell
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May 11, 2007
3:25 pm

Dear Kay, I think this is what Dean Tong promotes. PAS - Parent Alienation Syndrome. It is Important to understand why I get suspicious regarding PAS. The ...
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May 11, 2007
12:03 pm

It is funny but it's also sad at the same time. These people (Wiki) have nothing to do with us. They are providing a service to the public and have to deal...
Kay Henson
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May 11, 2007
12:10 pm

Interesting point Kay, I hadn't really thought of that. Obviously though, me being a part of this group I shouldn't have people here flaming on my group. So...
mbabymilan
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May 11, 2007
9:11 pm

They are supposed to be raising 250k. Look at all the effort and time wasted by Billy on nonsense. Why isn't he out on his corner with a trashcan asking for ...
mbabymilan
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May 11, 2007
9:36 pm

Agreed. mbabymilan <mbabymilan@...> wrote: They are supposed to be raising 250k. Look at all the effort and time wasted by Billy on nonsense....
misty ray
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May 13, 2007
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I do the AFRA website- http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/ I try to keep the front page somewhat fresh. Right now it is populated with extremely...
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May 13, 2007
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Leonard wrote************** I do the AFRA website- http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/ <http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/> I try to keep the front...
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