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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the Hook Here, What is the Story Here?

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k1 wrote:
> > for a little perspective, how would you tell an outsider
> > what the story is here?

If you're directing reporters "here" as in, this mailing list in particular,
I'm reasonably certain that, for them, there will be not much if anything
here of interest. Like all online forums focused on the movement and its
programs that I'm aware of, discussion migrates into what I'd call "in the
head" things - talk of experiences and the movement's explanations/dogmas
regarding those experiences. All of this is just meaningless noise to the
outside observer, who will just tune out unless they're acclimated to the
fact that these discussions are just like that, and to get any information
about the "story" they're going to have to dig for a considerable amount of
time to find something interesting and understandable in all the noise.

I'd also say that this phenomenon is by design, that any discussion of
actual quality of life issues gets dwarfed by all this one-upsmanship
centered on experiences and interpretation thereof. It's a learned habit,
showing what people are really attached to, and that attachment seems to be
something distinct from concrete quality of life issues, and it's learned
from the movement because the movement tends to be like that. But to an
outsider it makes no sense at all.

> From: jpgillam <jpgillam@...>

> Forgive me, Doug. I admire what you're trying to do in re-uniting
> the community. But I don't see the upside to this tactic, and the
> downside looms large.

I'd definately agree with the comment earlier, that in terms of writing of
real value to be done by somebody, there's a few PhD theses and maybe a book
in here for anyone who'd spend the time getting familiar with the culture
and language of the movement. It's not often that this kind of phenomenon
can be studied in real-time, since it's usually done historically way after
the fact. But in terms of the newsworthyness of it, I think Patrick has it
right; for the rest of the planet, the movement today is just a freaky
remnant of the '70s for those old enough to remember that period. Another
thing that people at the time thought was fantastic and valuable, gone bad
and flying to pieces later. I have a hard enough time explaining to people
why anyone should be interested in what remains even as someone who can be
clearly identified as being outside it all and a critic of some kind. Any
reporting about current conditions around Fairfield and the movement is
going to inevitably reflect all this.






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... <jpgillam@a...> wrote: snip ... human interest feature. Maybe something like this: Former hippies, once united under Beatles guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, ...
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Jan 18, 2003
9:33 pm

... If you're directing reporters "here" as in, this mailing list in particular, I'm reasonably certain that, for them, there will be not much if anything here...
Mike Doughney
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Jan 18, 2003
9:46 pm

... snip ... call "in the head" things - talk of experiences and the movement's explanations/dogmas regarding those experiences. All of this is just...
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Jan 18, 2003
11:34 pm

... "History, they say, is written by the victors; it might equally be said that the history of a convict settlement is written by its guards." (quoted from a...
George DeForest
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Jan 19, 2003
12:34 am

Major media have done balanced stories on other spiritual movements. Someone posted a link here to a New Yorker story on Muktananda¹s movement which covered...
Rick Archer
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Jan 19, 2003
4:21 pm

... movements. I agree that there are people out there capable of doing it right, but I was thinking more in terms of the mainstream media outlets in the...
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Jan 19, 2003
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... Joe Clarke, the first East Coast Regional Coordinator in the SIMS days, used to joke that Tom Wolfe was the only journalist that could capture all the...
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Jan 19, 2003
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... Excellent choices, every singe one, without exception. I would add Mark Salzman, and if he were still alive, James Mitchener. PS I also knew Joe Clarke,...
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Jan 19, 2003
10:16 pm

Fairfieldlife. It could be a very good story when it is told. I have been on this list reading it from its starting days a couple of years ago. There are...
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Jan 21, 2003
3:34 pm

... I think there may be many different stories here, each appropriate for different audiences. Following are some publications and some quick ideas on...
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Jan 23, 2003
12:58 am

... appropriate ... some ... freelanced ... Akasha 108, I LOVE your suggestions. They are very creative and insightful, much better than most of my own ideas...
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Jan 23, 2003
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A dead TMO? Ironic. On the one hand I have our fellow lister, the distinguished RudraJoe, urging me to wake-up, that the movement is dead. "Doug, Wake-up the...
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Jan 23, 2003
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So Doug, practical farmer that you are, you just want *something* to happen. Like tens of thousands of middle-aged people in small Midwestern communities, you...
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Jan 23, 2003
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Forum tips: If the volume of emails is too much for you, you can 1. change your settings to ³daily digest² 2. change your settings to ³no emails² and use...
Rick Archer
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Jan 24, 2003
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Children of the Corn: Monocracy Admidst the Pigfarms? Natural Law Party: True Blue Political Pundits (Literally) The Rise and Fall of Fairfield, Two Times, A...
Rudra Joe
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Jan 23, 2003
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These are great, Joe. I'll bet you could knock one off for us without raising a sweat. L B S ... Universities. ... Story Here? ... appropriate ... some ... of ...
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Jan 23, 2003
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Akasha_108: Assuming your suggestions for articles were not all tongue in cheek, I want to ask you, as I did Doug: what is the motivation behind trying to get...
Thom Krystofiak
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Jan 23, 2003
2:22 am

Well Thom, the rules of a group like this allow me to chime in, even if you don't specifically ask me to, so "I don't mind if I do". I would like to address...
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Jan 23, 2003
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Sorry Thom that I did not respond to your question to me before now. Actually, I don't personally have a strong motivation to see stories written on...
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Feb 13, 2003
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Probably so L.B. Maybe someday, if Rick promises not to spread it around like gospell. ... From: L_B_Shriver <l_b_shriver@...> To:...
Rudra Joe
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Jan 23, 2003
4:15 am

LB - Let me try to clarify what I really think and feel, here. Your questions are good - and, I must add, graciously presented. As far as I can tell, I really...
Thom Krystofiak
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Jan 23, 2003
6:00 pm

Dear Thom, Thank you for your most generous invitation to consult my personal BS meter. It does, in fact, quiver from time to time as I read your posts on...
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Jan 23, 2003
6:45 pm

Fair enough Thom, I'll give you my motivations: Do or die. Either the TM Movement follows through with its claims for enlightenment, Sidhis, Group Coherence,...
Rudra Joe
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Jan 23, 2003
6:23 pm

... organization which had a purpose and a valid function. None of these things hold true any longer. ***** Joe, what can I say here? Just when I start to...
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Jan 23, 2003
7:19 pm

Well, lets say then that prior to the (it's hard to parse and exact date really, and opinions will differ) Jyotishh/Yagya/Vastu/King/money/shit. Until and...
Rudra Joe
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Jan 23, 2003
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... date really, and opinions will differ) Jyotishh/Yagya/Vastu/King/money/shit. Until and through ayur veda I could stomach it, but after that it farted like...
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Jan 23, 2003
8:04 pm

Thanks for the response. I still think that fishing around for some journalist - any journalist - to do a story on Fairfield is journalistic Russian roulette....
Thom Krystofiak
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Feb 13, 2003
6:04 pm

Your point is well taken, Thom. I think what you are looking at here is the feeling felt by many that almost anything would be better than the status quo. ... ...
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Feb 13, 2003
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Actually Thom, in my original post on this, the second of my two intro paragraphs, below, tired to make the case that these articles should written by insiders...
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Feb 13, 2003
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