... memorable quotes from popeye: Hello How Am I (1939) Popeye: How can one person be two persons and yet be the same person? Popeye: If I'm not me, who am I?...
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martin clark
martyy123999
Jul 1, 2007 12:29 pm
I think the appears perfect to all else is about right because to all else is the only kind of external observation agency thats looking at a physical event...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 1, 2007 12:29 pm
... Since consciousness is not a magical substance that has to flow from one body to the next, all you need for continuity after your death is that there be...
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G.Waleed Kavalec
gkavalec
Jul 1, 2007 12:30 pm
... MODERN evidence tells us the state of that "one atom" is inextricably entangled with other atoms - both in that brain and external to it. What this means...
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martin clark
martyy123999
Jul 1, 2007 12:31 pm
uumm..well how if at all would the Exclusion principle fit into all this? It seems like identical copies co-existing in the same quantum state presumably would...
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Charles Goodwin
charlesgoodw...
Jul 2, 2007 1:54 pm
... This is related to the no-cloning theorem that I keep going on about at no doubt boring length. The QTI is based on the assumption that the multiverse, in...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 2, 2007 1:57 pm
... This identical copies business is a red herring. The brain is not an identical copy of itself from moment to moment, and even if this were possible, it...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 2, 2007 1:57 pm
... But you could easily be now one of the doppelgangers, now another of the doppelgangers many light years away. "Your" next moment is that moment containing...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 2, 2007 1:58 pm
... But you haven't explained why you still remain conscious, and still remain you, even though most of the entangled atoms in your brain are replaced with...
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Charles Goodwin
charlesgoodw...
Jul 2, 2007 1:58 pm
... Hi DJ Tegmark noted that out of the 4 levels of the multiverse he considered, the MWI level is (rather ironically) the only one which doesn't add anything ...
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David Deutsch
oxfordphysicist
Jul 2, 2007 6:26 pm
My review of Douglas Hofstadter's new book "I am a Strange Loop" is here: http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/20/7/5/ -- David Deutsch...
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Charles Goodwin
charlesgoodw...
Jul 3, 2007 7:47 pm
... Great review. Thanks! Charles...
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G.Waleed Kavalec
gkavalec
Jul 3, 2007 7:47 pm
... That process takes a leisurely seven years, during which time the chow I am chewing today becomes a happily entangled neural atom tomorrow. I do claim that...
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DJ
dj@...
Jul 3, 2007 7:47 pm
... G'morning Charles, and thanks for the reply. ... Yes. I liked the article, and like MT's stuff generally. I suppose I should google it and read it again...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 3, 2007 7:47 pm
... The clones in the infinite (single) universe would do you some good even if you only believe in a concrete Aristotelian world. You're not "all" the clones...
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briankscurfield
briankscurfield@...
Jul 4, 2007 5:22 pm
... I agree. Great review. I myself was a former subscriber to the "I-Myth". But now I think that John Searle had it about right when he said that "where...
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Maria Odete Gon’ff...
mariaodeteg
Jul 4, 2007 5:31 pm
Hello David, It seems to me a bit unreasonable, the development of any kind of line of argument about consciousness, without the scientific support made...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 4, 2007 5:34 pm
... Rather than clones a zillion light years away, imagine that everyone in the world is asked to come up with a random n-digit number every second. From...
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Charles Goodwin
charlesgoodw...
Jul 4, 2007 5:34 pm
... Insofar as I understand QM, objects in the same quantum state are literally identical - e.g. the atoms in a BEC are literally the same object in several ...
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martin clark
martyy123999
Jul 4, 2007 5:35 pm
Yes thats an interesting point..from the clones point of view..it kind of reminds me of the viewpoint of the Fabric of Reality from the thinking photons point...
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S J Birkill
sbirkill
Jul 4, 2007 5:37 pm
Doesn't all the philosophical argument about self, identity and cloning betray the underlying difficulty we all have in escaping the notion of (by one name or...
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Bruno Marchal
marchal@...
Jul 4, 2007 5:38 pm
... I am not sure Papaioannou's reasoning really relies on newtonian mechanics. I think it relies more on classical logic or classical computationalism. David...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 4, 2007 5:39 pm
... The process of replacement of atoms in neurons is occurring every nanosecond, although it probably takes months for most of the brain to be replaced. No...
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Alan Forrester
alan_forrester2
Jul 4, 2007 8:22 pm
A new critical rationalist blog: http://opensociety.typepad.com/front_page/ ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and...
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denevedeneve
mn@...
Jul 5, 2007 5:41 pm
... (omega point) ... thought that ... omega point ... is ... For ... related ... But Stathis what singles out a successor mental state? what gives them their...
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DJ
dj@...
Jul 5, 2007 5:42 pm
... I understand that this is true by definition. On the other hand, and lets take a much smaller system, say you have two objects with the identical quantum...
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DJ
dj@...
Jul 5, 2007 5:43 pm
... Clearly, but I can't see that this has much to do with what I brought up. Hubble volumes are constrained by thermodynamic considerations and are not...
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inntranz
Jul 5, 2007 5:43 pm
Gödel, Escher, Bach is one I my favorite books. I first read it only about a year ago after being reminded of its existence by someone posting on this list...
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Stathis Papaioannou
stathisp1
Jul 5, 2007 5:43 pm
... They are identical in that it is impossible to tell them apart but they are not one and the same. Perfect clones could exist in an infinite universe,...
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uv
uv212000
Jul 5, 2007 5:47 pm
Is this likely to work, and importantly, may it lead to more thought experiments about MWI ? Warwick Bowen, an expert on quantum optics at the University of...
