... memorable quotes from popeye: Hello How Am I (1939) Popeye: How can one person be two persons and yet be the same person? Popeye: If I'm not me, who am I?...
DJ
dj@...
Jul 1, 2007 12:22 pm
12570
I think the appears perfect to all else is about right because to all else is the only kind of external observation agency thats looking at a physical event...
... Since consciousness is not a magical substance that has to flow from one body to the next, all you need for continuity after your death is that there be...
... MODERN evidence tells us the state of that "one atom" is inextricably entangled with other atoms - both in that brain and external to it. What this means...
uumm..well how if at all would the Exclusion principle fit into all this? It seems like identical copies co-existing in the same quantum state presumably would...
... This is related to the no-cloning theorem that I keep going on about at no doubt boring length. The QTI is based on the assumption that the multiverse, in...
... This identical copies business is a red herring. The brain is not an identical copy of itself from moment to moment, and even if this were possible, it...
... But you could easily be now one of the doppelgangers, now another of the doppelgangers many light years away. "Your" next moment is that moment containing...
... But you haven't explained why you still remain conscious, and still remain you, even though most of the entangled atoms in your brain are replaced with...
... Hi DJ Tegmark noted that out of the 4 levels of the multiverse he considered, the MWI level is (rather ironically) the only one which doesn't add anything ...
... That process takes a leisurely seven years, during which time the chow I am chewing today becomes a happily entangled neural atom tomorrow. I do claim that...
... G'morning Charles, and thanks for the reply. ... Yes. I liked the article, and like MT's stuff generally. I suppose I should google it and read it again...
DJ
dj@...
Jul 3, 2007 7:47 pm
12583
... The clones in the infinite (single) universe would do you some good even if you only believe in a concrete Aristotelian world. You're not "all" the clones...
... I agree. Great review. I myself was a former subscriber to the "I-Myth". But now I think that John Searle had it about right when he said that "where...
briankscurfield
briankscurfield@...
Jul 4, 2007 5:22 pm
12585
Hello David, It seems to me a bit unreasonable, the development of any kind of line of argument about consciousness, without the scientific support made...
... Rather than clones a zillion light years away, imagine that everyone in the world is asked to come up with a random n-digit number every second. From...
... Insofar as I understand QM, objects in the same quantum state are literally identical - e.g. the atoms in a BEC are literally the same object in several ...
Yes thats an interesting point..from the clones point of view..it kind of reminds me of the viewpoint of the Fabric of Reality from the thinking photons point...
Doesn't all the philosophical argument about self, identity and cloning betray the underlying difficulty we all have in escaping the notion of (by one name or...
... I am not sure Papaioannou's reasoning really relies on newtonian mechanics. I think it relies more on classical logic or classical computationalism. David...
Bruno Marchal
marchal@...
Jul 4, 2007 5:38 pm
12591
... The process of replacement of atoms in neurons is occurring every nanosecond, although it probably takes months for most of the brain to be replaced. No...
A new critical rationalist blog: http://opensociety.typepad.com/front_page/ ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and...
... (omega point) ... thought that ... omega point ... is ... For ... related ... But Stathis what singles out a successor mental state? what gives them their...
denevedeneve
mn@...
Jul 5, 2007 5:41 pm
12594
... I understand that this is true by definition. On the other hand, and lets take a much smaller system, say you have two objects with the identical quantum...
DJ
dj@...
Jul 5, 2007 5:42 pm
12595
... Clearly, but I can't see that this has much to do with what I brought up. Hubble volumes are constrained by thermodynamic considerations and are not...
DJ
dj@...
Jul 5, 2007 5:43 pm
12596
Gödel, Escher, Bach is one I my favorite books. I first read it only about a year ago after being reminded of its existence by someone posting on this list...
... They are identical in that it is impossible to tell them apart but they are not one and the same. Perfect clones could exist in an infinite universe,...
Is this likely to work, and importantly, may it lead to more thought experiments about MWI ? Warwick Bowen, an expert on quantum optics at the University of...
Having problems with message search?
Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.
