----- Original Message -----
   From: Charles.B.Wilber@...
   To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:01 PM

   ...Although it was well within the specifications posted by LDG, the 13VDC,
   10.4A wall-cube power supply would not make the tuner work. Substituting two
   9VDC NiMH batteries wired in series, I saw the Z-11 come to life and perform
   exactly as advertised.

   Charlie,

   Are you sure you have a TEN POINT FOUR AMP "wall-wart?"   Unless it's some
kind of switching power supply... it would be kind heavy to stay plugged into a
wall AC socket.

   Just an FYI to the group, but many of those little 12 volt wall-cube supplies
are little more than a 20 volt transformer, a couple diodes for a half-wave
rectifier, and a filter cap.  They are USUALLY only good for a few hundred
milliamps and rarely anywhere near the specified voltage (except under full
load).  At that point those supplies typically provide a very rippled DC output.

   It would be interesting to look at the actual output voltage with a meter and
the waveform on an oscilloscope.

   73! =paul= W8KC
   Collector of Ten*Tecs and Other Fine Plastics.
   Visit the Virtual Ten*Tec Museum at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/w8kc




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Hi there...

Before I begin, I should probably introduce myself...my name is
Tiffany and I've had my FT-817 for about 2 weeks now.  I've been
enjoying it very much!  I've been reading the group for a while now
and have gained a lot of useful information from reading the
archives.

I did read the FAQ (first thing!) and performed the green wire
modification to allow use of NiMH cells in the battery tray after
the addition of a couple of 2.5A pico fuses.  It's working great
though takes quite a long time to charge.

I have some questions about getting "punchier" audio from the
817...I've been debating whether or not to perform the Heil mic
element mod to the mic on the FT-817 or whether to install the
Collins SSB filter.  Which do you folks believe would give a
female's voice better punch?  Would you go with the HC-4 or the HC-
5?  Should I really get both?  Could I do just as well with the
Collins (or some other) SSB filter?

After searching the archives, I'm led to believe one can gain
more "talk power" through the use of the Heil mic elements (about
5db?) and the SSB filter (about 2db?), but I did not see anything in
the archives about how well these will work with a woman's higher-
pitched voice and which solution might work better.  In an ideal
world (i.e. boundless cashflow), I would add all of the above, but
I'm not independently wealthy yet.  :-)  Can anyone shed some
insight into which solution might work best?

I'd really appreciate any help.  I am making contacts and having
fun...that's what's important.  I'd just like to make the most of my
5w.  :-)

Tnx and 73!

Tiffany
(AG5U)

You are correct in wanting to shape the audio of your female voice while
getting the best performance you can.  I would suggest you first focus on
shaping or contouring your audio.  I use the MFJ-299 graphic equalizer mic.
It has two position compression (good for SSB DXing) as well as a four band
equalizer to emphasize and de-emphasize certain audio bandpasses.

Next I would consider the SSB or CW filter, depending on which mode you
operate the most.

I have the use the MFJ-299 because I share the rig with my wife.  I can not
tell the difference with the SSB in or out on receive.  If there is a
difference, to me it is ever so slight, however, I have been told the
transmit quality is improved with the filter in. Truthfully, on SSB I don't
think it is worth the money. Spend the $150 buck or so on a good portable
antenna.

----- Original Message -----
From: "twin_otter_99" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 5:04 AM
Subject: [FT817] Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??


> Hi there...
>
> Before I begin, I should probably introduce myself...my name is
> Tiffany and I've had my FT-817 for about 2 weeks now.  I've been
> enjoying it very much!  I've been reading the group for a while now
> and have gained a lot of useful information from reading the
> archives.
>
> I did read the FAQ (first thing!) and performed the green wire
> modification to allow use of NiMH cells in the battery tray after
> the addition of a couple of 2.5A pico fuses.  It's working great
> though takes quite a long time to charge.
>
> I have some questions about getting "punchier" audio from the
> 817...I've been debating whether or not to perform the Heil mic
> element mod to the mic on the FT-817 or whether to install the
> Collins SSB filter.  Which do you folks believe would give a
> female's voice better punch?  Would you go with the HC-4 or the HC-
> 5?  Should I really get both?  Could I do just as well with the
> Collins (or some other) SSB filter?
>
> After searching the archives, I'm led to believe one can gain
> more "talk power" through the use of the Heil mic elements (about
> 5db?) and the SSB filter (about 2db?), but I did not see anything in
> the archives about how well these will work with a woman's higher-
> pitched voice and which solution might work better.  In an ideal
> world (i.e. boundless cashflow), I would add all of the above, but
> I'm not independently wealthy yet.  :-)  Can anyone shed some
> insight into which solution might work best?
>
> I'd really appreciate any help.  I am making contacts and having
> fun...that's what's important.  I'd just like to make the most of my
> 5w.  :-)
>
> Tnx and 73!
>
> Tiffany
> (AG5U)
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> FT817-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com and for a great FAQ ( Frequently Asked
Questions ) see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FT817/database
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The FT 817 has lot's of protection for the Finals - Hi SWR, ALC,
Current - BUT it has no temperature sensing or protection at all.
Your hand is the only available temperature sensor !

Overheating can occur easily if you are using high-average modes (FM,
PSK31, compressed voice) and/or the heatsink/chassis is covered by a
case.

I wonder how many of the Final Transistor failures mentioned here
have been caused by overheating. Remember that the Finals are not
covered under warranty

Mike VK2BMM

--- In FT817@y..., "w3ce_qrp" <alw@e...> wrote:
> I recently ran my 817 outside on a picnic table in full sun. After
15
> minutes the case was too hot to touch. I did then get it under wome
> shade, but it kept on ticking. No operational problems at all.
>
> Of course its still in warrenty. After the third week in Aug (1
year)
> it will probably give up the ghost.
> 73s
> W3CE

An alternate view:

Going back to the beginning of this thread, it turns out that there was nothing
wrong with the Z-11 tuner in the first place, just that the power supply the
buyer tried was insufficient for it.  So the fault was with the buyer, not the
vendor.  But the vendor incurred significant cost in trying to resolve the
customer's problem and sending a replacement unit for a unit that was not fault
to begin with.

Did the buyer offer to reimburse the vendor for at least some of their costs --
like the shipping cost for the replacement unit?

Could any of this have been avoided if the buyer had read the manual to
determine the power requirements for the tuner?

end

Regards

Bruce Appelbaum  KC2JDL



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Well my finals were covered under warranty repair.  As far as I know, all
failures except those due to obvious mistreatment are covered under warranty. 
It just took 2 months to get them fixed.  The finals in my 817 failed the very
first time that I transmitted with the radio, on 2 meters, using the provided
rubber duck antenna.  I was using the AA battery pack, and the radio certainly
wasn't overheated.

Harry KA2DRE
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: vk2bmm
   To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 8:47 AM
   Subject: [FT817] Re: Hot 817 - No Problem


   The FT 817 has lot's of protection for the Finals - Hi SWR, ALC,
   Current - BUT it has no temperature sensing or protection at all.
   Your hand is the only available temperature sensor !

   Overheating can occur easily if you are using high-average modes (FM,
   PSK31, compressed voice) and/or the heatsink/chassis is covered by a
   case.

   I wonder how many of the Final Transistor failures mentioned here
   have been caused by overheating. Remember that the Finals are not
   covered under warranty

   Mike VK2BMM

   --- In FT817@y..., "w3ce_qrp" <alw@e...> wrote:
   > I recently ran my 817 outside on a picnic table in full sun. After
   15
   > minutes the case was too hot to touch. I did then get it under wome
   > shade, but it kept on ticking. No operational problems at all.
   >
   > Of course its still in warrenty. After the third week in Aug (1
   year)
   > it will probably give up the ghost.
   > 73s
   > W3CE


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Gang,


I had the chance to put a Collins mechanical SSB filter, CW filter
and the standard ceramic filter from the FT-817 on the network
analyzer
and got "typical" plots of what they look like. This was done by
putting a series 1500 ohm resistor on each 50 ohm port of the network
analyzer and putting a 33 pF cap across the input of the filter. The
cap is in the Collins test set for these filters, but I don't know
that it's required for the ceramic. If nothing else, it gives a
direct comparison. Measuring a 2k-ish filter on a 50 ohm set gives
strange readings for the insertion loss, but I think the general
shape is okay with the matching cap.

If there's interest, I'll scan them in, make them into reasonably
sized jpegs, and put on the server here. I haven't seen this data
online, so I went ahead and measured it.

Note that this is not the W4RT board or the Yaesu board, just the
optional Collins filters by themselves.



73,
Bob
W4ATM
Montana_Aardvark

Gang,


I had the chance to put a Collins mechanical SSB filter, CW filter
and the standard ceramic filter from the FT-817 on the network
analyzer
and got "typical" plots of what they look like. This was done by
putting a series 1500 ohm resistor on each 50 ohm port of the network
analyzer and putting a 33 pF cap across the input of the filter. The
cap is in the Collins test set for these filters, but I don't know
that it's required for the ceramic. If nothing else, it gives a
direct comparison. Measuring a 2k-ish filter on a 50 ohm set gives
strange readings for the insertion loss, but I think the general
shape is okay with the matching cap.

If there's interest, I'll scan them in, make them into reasonably
sized jpegs, and put on the server here. I haven't seen this data
online, so I went ahead and measured it.

Note that this is not the W4RT board or the Yaesu board, just the
optional Collins filters by themselves.



73,
Bob
W4ATM
Montana_Aardvark

Yes he did! And there was more to the story. He didn't tell you that
our RMA department didn't process his RMA for a week, this is why he
got the upgraded shipping to overnight. We like to take care of
mistakes that we make, it's just good customer service.

- George / NW4G
GigaParts, Inc.

--- In FT817@y..., "Bruce Appelbaum" <brucea@b...> wrote:
> An alternate view:
>
> Going back to the beginning of this thread, it turns out that there
was nothing wrong with the Z-11 tuner in the first place, just that
the power supply the buyer tried was insufficient for it.  So the
fault was with the buyer, not the vendor.  But the vendor incurred
significant cost in trying to resolve the customer's problem and
sending a replacement unit for a unit that was not fault to begin
with.
>
> Did the buyer offer to reimburse the vendor for at least some of
their costs -- like the shipping cost for the replacement unit?
>
> Could any of this have been avoided if the buyer had read the
manual to determine the power requirements for the tuner?
>
> end
>
> Regards
>
> Bruce Appelbaum  KC2JDL
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I recently made my first order from GigaParts and was very pleased with
their service. I ordered a TCXO-9, W4RT 1800-mAH battery pack, and a couple
of books via their web site one evening. The next day, they let me know that
their was a problem with my credit card. I called my credit card company and
found out that they needed GigaParts to give them the security code from the
back of my credit card. I gave George this information and he got the order
right out with a free upgrade to overnight FedEx.

No connection to GigaParts, other than as a satisfied customer who looks
forward to doing business with them again in the future.

73,
Jeff, KC1MK

took the final ckt board out of the rig  added a .01 cap to feed the
little rf through  and still  i work ssb 40m mid cars 7.258 about
300 miles  s5 to 6   .... maybe i will not  replace the final
stage ..true QRP...  must be the bazooka ant at 56 ft ?

Perry  wa8thk

I don't have enough information here to be able to look in our system
and see what is going on, obviously there is a serious
miscommunication :)

If we made a mistake we will certainly take care of it. Please give
me an e-mail at george@... so that we can resolve the
situation. If you originally paid for Overnight Saturday Delivery and
we shipped you the wrong product THEN OF COURSE we will ship the
replacement to you in the same fashion at our expense. I really do
want to look into this and figure out what is going on.

I am not in the store today but I will be in tomorrow, you are
welcome to call and talk to me directly at 866-535-4442 Ext. 133.
Alternatively e-mail me at the address above and I can try and take
care of this today. If you have already received your antenna I can
issue a credit for the shipping, if you haven't then we have lots of
other options!

- George / NW4G
Totally affiliated with GigaParts

--- In FT817@y..., "ballistic_nylon" <the_real_jumpmaster@y...> wrote:
> While I have had generally pleasant experiences from Gigaparts, I
> thought I might share this tidbit with the group...
>
> I had ordered an antenna for my FT-817 -- the MFJ singleband
antenna
> for 17m.  Gigaparts inadvertently shipped me the 15m by mistake.
> When I called to explain I'd ordered the 17m antenna, they were
> pleasant about exchanging the antenna...what I found odd was that I
> had ordered the antenna originally to have it shipped FedEx
Standard
> with Saturday delivery (at a cost of $18.00, which I was not
notified
> of when I placed the order over the phone...they said, "Oh, with
> Saturday delivery, looks like $8.00".  They just forgot to tell me
> they added another $10.00 for FedEx and tacked on $8 more for
> Saturday delivery...understandable).
>
> Anyway, here's the kicker...after all that, they told me yesterday
> that they're shipping the replacement antenna via FedEx Ground.
>
> Something just didn't seem right about that...
>
> Overall, I've been happy with the last couple of transactions with
> Gigaparts.  Their staff is knowledgeable and friendly.  I just
don't
> know about this last one...hopefully, it'll all even out in the
end...
>
> JC

Problem Solved!

I found the credit order for the 15M antenna. Richard did not notice
when he did the credit order that you had originally ordered for
Overnight Saturday delivery. He is going to attempt to contact you
today. We can cross ship the replacement antenna so that you have it
on Tuesday and we will cover the freight. Richard has the details. If
you have any problems in the future please let us know!! We live to
resolve any issues our customers may have.

73
George / NW4G

--- In FT817@y..., "nw4g" <georgehome@g...> wrote:
> I don't have enough information here to be able to look in our
system
> and see what is going on, obviously there is a serious
> miscommunication :)
>
> If we made a mistake we will certainly take care of it. Please give
> me an e-mail at george@g... so that we can resolve the
> situation. If you originally paid for Overnight Saturday Delivery
and
> we shipped you the wrong product THEN OF COURSE we will ship the
> replacement to you in the same fashion at our expense. I really do
> want to look into this and figure out what is going on.
>
> I am not in the store today but I will be in tomorrow, you are
> welcome to call and talk to me directly at 866-535-4442 Ext. 133.
> Alternatively e-mail me at the address above and I can try and take
> care of this today. If you have already received your antenna I can
> issue a credit for the shipping, if you haven't then we have lots
of
> other options!
>
> - George / NW4G
> Totally affiliated with GigaParts
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "ballistic_nylon" <the_real_jumpmaster@y...>
wrote:
> > While I have had generally pleasant experiences from Gigaparts, I
> > thought I might share this tidbit with the group...
> >
> > I had ordered an antenna for my FT-817 -- the MFJ singleband
> antenna
> > for 17m.  Gigaparts inadvertently shipped me the 15m by mistake.
> > When I called to explain I'd ordered the 17m antenna, they were
> > pleasant about exchanging the antenna...what I found odd was that
I
> > had ordered the antenna originally to have it shipped FedEx
> Standard
> > with Saturday delivery (at a cost of $18.00, which I was not
> notified
> > of when I placed the order over the phone...they said, "Oh, with
> > Saturday delivery, looks like $8.00".  They just forgot to tell
me
> > they added another $10.00 for FedEx and tacked on $8 more for
> > Saturday delivery...understandable).
> >
> > Anyway, here's the kicker...after all that, they told me
yesterday
> > that they're shipping the replacement antenna via FedEx Ground.
> >
> > Something just didn't seem right about that...
> >
> > Overall, I've been happy with the last couple of transactions
with
> > Gigaparts.  Their staff is knowledgeable and friendly.  I just
> don't
> > know about this last one...hopefully, it'll all even out in the
> end...
> >
> > JC

I've improved my transmit efficiency significantly by installing the W4RT
OBP speech processor inside the rig.
Was a good ten pounds worth.

----- Original Message -----
From: "twin_otter_99" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: [FT817] Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??


> Hi there...
>
> Before I begin, I should probably introduce myself...my name is
> Tiffany and I've had my FT-817 for about 2 weeks now.  I've been
> enjoying it very much!  I've been reading the group for a while now
> and have gained a lot of useful information from reading the
> archives.
>
> I did read the FAQ (first thing!) and performed the green wire
> modification to allow use of NiMH cells in the battery tray after
> the addition of a couple of 2.5A pico fuses.  It's working great
> though takes quite a long time to charge.
>
> I have some questions about getting "punchier" audio from the
> 817...I've been debating whether or not to perform the Heil mic
> element mod to the mic on the FT-817 or whether to install the
> Collins SSB filter.  Which do you folks believe would give a
> female's voice better punch?  Would you go with the HC-4 or the HC-
> 5?  Should I really get both?  Could I do just as well with the
> Collins (or some other) SSB filter?
>
> After searching the archives, I'm led to believe one can gain
> more "talk power" through the use of the Heil mic elements (about
> 5db?) and the SSB filter (about 2db?), but I did not see anything in
> the archives about how well these will work with a woman's higher-
> pitched voice and which solution might work better.  In an ideal
> world (i.e. boundless cashflow), I would add all of the above, but
> I'm not independently wealthy yet.  :-)  Can anyone shed some
> insight into which solution might work best?
>
> I'd really appreciate any help.  I am making contacts and having
> fun...that's what's important.  I'd just like to make the most of my
> 5w.  :-)
>
> Tnx and 73!
>
> Tiffany
> (AG5U)
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> FT817-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com and for a great FAQ ( Frequently Asked
Questions ) see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FT817/database
> Some really good technical info at:
http://www.ussc.com/~turner/ft817pg.shtml
> Please note that your messages and files sent to this group may appear
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The finals are FETs not bipolars so their gain decreases with increase in
temperature. They tend to be self protecting and do not suffer thermal
runaway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "vk2bmm" <m.richter@...>
To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 1:47 PM
Subject: [FT817] Re: Hot 817 - No Problem


> The FT 817 has lot's of protection for the Finals - Hi SWR, ALC,
> Current - BUT it has no temperature sensing or protection at all.
> Your hand is the only available temperature sensor !
>
> Overheating can occur easily if you are using high-average modes (FM,
> PSK31, compressed voice) and/or the heatsink/chassis is covered by a
> case.
>
> I wonder how many of the Final Transistor failures mentioned here
> have been caused by overheating. Remember that the Finals are not
> covered under warranty
>
> Mike VK2BMM
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "w3ce_qrp" <alw@e...> wrote:
> > I recently ran my 817 outside on a picnic table in full sun. After
> 15
> > minutes the case was too hot to touch. I did then get it under wome
> > shade, but it kept on ticking. No operational problems at all.
> >
> > Of course its still in warrenty. After the third week in Aug (1
> year)
> > it will probably give up the ghost.
> > 73s
> > W3CE
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> FT817-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com and for a great FAQ ( Frequently Asked
Questions ) see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FT817/database
> Some really good technical info at:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1355955639

There is some guy selling amps on ebay... 200w for $99.00. He CLAIMS
they are SSB/AM/CW (I read that as Class AB - I maybe reading too
much into that too). He has a good amount of positive feedback, and
when I emailed the negative feedback with questions, they of course
said to stay away. The seller does not answer email, I am sure that
he is very underground due to his product.

Has anyone looked at these amps?

Bob

--- "luiz lissoni" <py2mrd@...> wrote:
Folks, I am just ordering a tuner to my 817. It has to
> work with long wires, openwires and coax. Should I by
> a Z-11 or a LDG (or another one ?) ?
--- end of quote ---

Luiz,

I really like the LDG Z-11 although I have nothing else to compare it to that
would be suitable for portable use. It will work with long wires, balanced feeds
and coax if you have a balun to use for the non-coax feeds. I purchased one of
the LDG baluns due to its small size (perfect for carrying along).

73 de Charlie N1AOK

--- Bruce Appelbaum  KC2JDL wrote:
Did the buyer offer to reimburse the vendor for at least some of their costs --
like the shipping cost for the replacement unit?

Could any of this have been avoided if the buyer had read the manual to
determine the power requirements for the tuner?
--- end of quote ---

Bruce,

I am "the buyer" you mention in your posting. Yes, I did read the manual
(actually, the two or three pages stapled together that serve as a manual) to
ascertain the specified power requirements for the tuner. The wall cube, as
marked and as tested with a meter, fell within the high end of the specified
range.

Yes, I did offer to reimburse GigaParts for the expenses they incurred due to my
mistake. They would not hear of it. They told me their concern was keeping me as
a satisfied customer. I assured them they had nothing to worry about in that
regard.

73 de Charlie N1AOK

The first tip that indicates there maybe a problem is the statement on e-bay
"...Ask seller feature not supported..."

Check the past postings on this site, there are a lot of comments and
opinions.

Your one main problem is often the lack of selective LP filtering.

----- Original Message -----
From: "k8ys" <k8ys@...>
To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: [FT817] anyone have an opinion about this amp??


> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1355955639
>
> There is some guy selling amps on ebay... 200w for $99.00. He CLAIMS
> they are SSB/AM/CW (I read that as Class AB - I maybe reading too
> much into that too). He has a good amount of positive feedback, and
> when I emailed the negative feedback with questions, they of course
> said to stay away. The seller does not answer email, I am sure that
> he is very underground due to his product.
>
> Has anyone looked at these amps?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> FT817-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com and for a great FAQ ( Frequently Asked
Questions ) see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FT817/database
> Some really good technical info at:
http://www.ussc.com/~turner/ft817pg.shtml
> Please note that your messages and files sent to this group may appear
anywhere on the Internet or in print without notice or compensation.
>
>
>
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>
>
>

> There is some guy selling amps on ebay... 200w for $99.00. He
CLAIMS
> they are SSB/AM/CW (I read that as Class AB - I maybe reading too
> much into that too).

from the specs if they draw only 12 amps this amp can't possible
provide more than 50 or 60 watts PEP. It might be capable of 75 watts
but I doubt it.

Indeed these amps are made in Italy and are available at many sites
on the Internet and are illegal to import into the USA. Riley would
ask Ebay to pull this from Ebay if he knew about it.

Message text written by INTERNET:FT817@yahoogroups.com
><
-Rememer several posts ago post abt difficulty installing the cw filter.
Is there a trick to it? The pins look easily reversible, eg, could fit with
a north or south orientation.
Or, does that matter?
TNX.
   Bob K4RLC


Bob Conder, PsyD, ABPP - CN & RP
CNS
3701 National Drive, Ste 222
Raleigh, NC 27612
Voice: 919-783-8411; Fax: 919-571-8041
WWW.CarolinaCNS.COM
  www.qrz.com/k4rlc
Esse Quam Videri

--- In FT817@y..., "Don" <k7ugq@c...> wrote:
> The first tip that indicates there maybe a problem is the statement
on e-bay
Here is a URL for a place that sells these amps.

http://www.copper.com/product_menu.shtml

Copper is probably the largest and best known supplier to CB bootleggers
and Free Banders. Totally illegal, but somehow they keep on . . . most of
their products are junk.

73/72/oo, George W5YR - the Yellow Rose of Texas
Fairview, TX 30 mi NE of Dallas in Collin county EM13qe
Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 56th year and it just keeps getting better!
QRP-L 1373 NETXQRP 6 SOC 262 COG 8 FPQRP 404 TEN-X 11771 I-LINK 11735
Icom IC-756PRO #02121  Kachina 505 DSP  #91900556  Icom IC-765 #02437


w8hq wrote:
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "Don" <k7ugq@c...> wrote:
> > The first tip that indicates there maybe a problem is the statement
> on e-bay
> Here is a URL for a place that sells these amps.
>
> http://www.copper.com/product_menu.shtml

Not even good enough for a boat anchor (not enough weight). A certian
Mr R.H of the FCC might be interested in these.




--- In FT817@y..., "k8ys" <k8ys@y...> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1355955639
>
> There is some guy selling amps on ebay... 200w for $99.00. He
CLAIMS
> they are SSB/AM/CW (I read that as Class AB - I maybe reading too
> much into that too). He has a good amount of positive feedback, and
> when I emailed the negative feedback with questions, they of course
> said to stay away. The seller does not answer email, I am sure that
> he is very underground due to his product.
>
> Has anyone looked at these amps?
>
> Bob

All of a sudden, my '817 is not showing any output power (or SWR or ALC).
It does show modulation.  Strangely enough, it does appear to get out on 2
meters.  Any ideas?

73 de Bill Roberts / K8DXX

All of a sudden, my '817 is not showing any output power (or SWR or ALC).
It does show modulation.  Strangely enough, it does appear to get out on 2
meters.  Any ideas?

73 de Bill Roberts / K8DXX

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Subject: [FT817] Digest Number 1176


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> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Tuners - URGENT
>            From: "Don" <k7ugq@...>
>       2. PSK31 ALC setting
>            From: "Jory McIntosh" <kj5rm@...>
>       3. Re: PSK31 ALC setting
>            From: "George, W5YR" <w5yr@...>
>       4. Re: MFJ-4103 Mini Switching Power Supply Questions:
>            From: Bil Paul <bingo2cu@...>
>       5. Re: PSK31 ALC setting
>            From: "w4wb" <w4wb@...>
>       6. First contact
>            From: Dan Dowell <dandowell@...>
>       7. Re: First contact
>            From: "Tom" <kd7lxl@...>
>       8. Re: Gigaparts shipping glitch
>            From: "ballistic_nylon" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
>       9. Got my FT 817
>            From: "lecohen" <l.cohen@...>
>      10. Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>            From: Paul Valko <w8kc@...>
>      11. Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>            From: "twin_otter_99" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
>      12. Re: Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>            From: "Don" <k7ugq@...>
>      13. Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>            From: "vk2bmm" <m.richter@...>
>      14. Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>            From: "Bruce Appelbaum" <brucea@...>
>      15. Re: Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>            From: "Harry Spetla" <adkcanoe@...>
>      16. Filter Plots - If Anyone is Interested
>            From: "montanaaardvark" <blombardi@...>
>      17. Filter Plots - If Anyone is Interested
>            From: "montanaaardvark" <blombardi@...>
>      18. Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>            From: "gmhowardfoo" <georgehome@...>
>      19. Re: Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>            From: "Jeff Kilgore" <the.weight@...>
>      20. who needs finals???
>            From: "wa8thk" <wa8thk@...>
>      21. Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>            From: "nw4g" <georgehome@...>
>      22. Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>            From: "nw4g" <georgehome@...>
>      23. Re: Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>            From: "Nigel Gunn" <nigel@...>
>      24. Re: Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>            From: "Nigel Gunn" <nigel@...>
>      25. anyone have an opinion about this amp??
>            From: "k8ys" <k8ys@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:17:32 -0400
>    From: "Don" <k7ugq@...>
> Subject: Re: Tuners - URGENT
>
> Do you want an automatic or a manual?
> Do you want to spend more than $60.00 USD?
> Do you want something that is light weight for backpacking or strictly
base
> use?
> Maybe a ZM-2 is all you really want.
>
> It is hard to suggest what to buy (with your money of course) without
> knowing your needs and wants.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "luiz lissoni" <py2mrd@...>
> To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:12 AM
> Subject: [FT817] Tuners - URGENT
>
>
> > Folks, I am just ordering a tuner to my 817. It has to
> > work with long wires, openwires and coax. Should I by
> > a Z-11 or a LDG (or another one ?) ?
> >
> > Tks
> >
> > Luiz
> > PY2MRD
> >
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:21:41 -0500
>    From: "Jory McIntosh" <kj5rm@...>
> Subject: PSK31 ALC setting
>
>     I have been running PSK31 for sometime now with my FT-847 and know
what the best ALC reading is for it.  I would now like to try some
"pedestrian" PSK31 with my FT-817 but want a nice clean signal.  I have been
playing around with the 817 and a dummy load and find that 3 to 4 bars on
the alc meter appears to be best at 5 watts.  Can anyone tell me where they
are running their alc at for peak psk performance???
>
> Thanks and 73
> Jory McIntosh
> KJ5RM
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:09:01 -0500
>    From: "George, W5YR" <w5yr@...>
> Subject: Re: PSK31 ALC setting
>
> I don't know about the 817 but most rigs will degrade IMD if they are
> operated with *any* ALC activity.
>
> I would suggest starting with zero ALC and get a few IMD reports before
> increasing it.
>
> If you can monitor your output r-f envelope on a scope that will quickly
> tell the story with a two-tone idle signal.
>
> 73/72/oo, George W5YR - the Yellow Rose of Texas
> Fairview, TX 30 mi NE of Dallas in Collin county EM13qe
> Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 56th year and it just keeps getting better!
> QRP-L 1373 NETXQRP 6 SOC 262 COG 8 FPQRP 404 TEN-X 11771 I-LINK 11735
> Icom IC-756PRO #02121  Kachina 505 DSP  #91900556  Icom IC-765 #02437
>
>
> Jory McIntosh wrote:
> >
> >     I have been running PSK31 for sometime now with my FT-847 and know
what the best ALC reading is for it.  I would now like to try some
"pedestrian" PSK31 with my FT-817 but want a nice clean signal.  I have been
playing around with the 817 and a dummy load and find that 3 to 4 bars on
the alc meter appears to be best at 5 watts.  Can anyone tell me where they
are running their alc at for peak psk performance???
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:26:25 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Bil Paul <bingo2cu@...>
> Subject: Re: MFJ-4103 Mini Switching Power Supply Questions:
>
> Clinton --
>
> I have one of these MFJ PSs and at first didn't detect
> any noise from it, but the more I use it, the more I
> find. It also may be possible that some of the noise
> is on the AC line from the house and is coming in thru
> the PS. Still, you'd think that filtering would be
> sufficient to get it all.
>
> But then, even my expensive Astron 10 or 12 amp PS
> generates some noise. I verify the easy way -- operate
> with the PS on, then by battery.
>
> -- Bil   KD6JUI
>
>
> --- clinton h <clinton_h@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am thinking of purchasing another Yaesu FT-817 (I
> > bought one of the very first ones and sold it about
> > six months later and I still miss it.)
> >
> > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has had any
> > experience or problems with the MFJ-4103 Miniature
> > Switching Power Supply. I have heard that it causes
> > all sorts of hash when you are using an indoor
> > antenna, and I've also heard that it works well and
> > doesn't cause any receiver noise. So I am looking
> > for
> > experiences from owners. Also, where do you get the
> > AC power cord for the MFJ power supply? They mention
> > using a laptop power cord. Does anyone know the CAT
> > number & price of the "laptop" power cord from Radio
> > Shack, if they have one?
> >
> > Many tnx in advance!
> > 73 Clinton AB7RG
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > 73 -- Clinton Herbert AB7RG -- ab7rg@...
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> > but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at
> > the tempting moment."
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> Message: 5
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 02:37:58 -0000
>    From: "w4wb" <w4wb@...>
> Subject: Re: PSK31 ALC setting
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "Jory McIntosh" <kj5rm@a...> wrote:
> >     I have been running PSK31 for sometime now with my FT-847 and
> know what the best ALC reading is for it.  I would now like to try
> some "pedestrian" PSK31 with my FT-817 but want a nice clean signal.
> I have been playing around with the 817 and a dummy load and find
> that 3 to 4 bars on the alc meter appears to be best at 5 watts.  Can
> anyone tell me where they are running their alc at for peak psk
> performance???
> >
> > Thanks and 73
> > Jory McIntosh
> > KJ5RM
>
> You are about right Jory.  THis is what I have been using for about
> 18 months.  Also, if you read the manual re PSK, you will note that
> this is indicated --- a few bars.  Few means 3 to 4 in this case.
>
> And yes, I have had the signal checked and it is clean.
>
> 72 de Barry - W4WB
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:48:54 -0700
>    From: Dan Dowell <dandowell@...>
> Subject: First contact
>
> Well I made my first contact today while driving around.  It was
> actually wierd to have someone answer back for once when I put out my
> call sign.
>
> I almost didnt know what to say.
>
>
> DAN
> kd5som
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:58:52 -0700
>    From: "Tom" <kd7lxl@...>
> Subject: Re: First contact
>
> I did the same thing for a while, but then I got to know a lot of the guys
and they started calling me back.
> I might come down to Dallas this summer, maybe we could chat on simplex.
>
> 73,
> de Tom Hayward, KD7LXL CN87qh
> http://tom21988.home.att.net/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 05:56:20 -0000
>    From: "ballistic_nylon" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
> Subject: Re: Gigaparts shipping glitch
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "n6hi" <n6hi@h...> wrote:
> > What about "just say no" ?!?   If I found myself in this
> > situation, I would have insisted that they ship the replacement
> > overnight at THEIR cost because it was THEIR mistake!   Eh?
> > - John N6HI -
>
> Yes, John...you're absolutely correct.  I guess I'm just a little
> disappointed that I should have to demand this in the first place.
> As a business owner, my primary goal is customer satisfaction.  To
> me, that means offering right off to compensate for mistakes I make
> on my end and not expecting the customer to do so.
>
> Your point is well-taken and I agree with you.  I may call them
> tomorrow and ask that they compensate the upgraded shipping.
>
> Thanks and 73...
>
> JC
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 06:46:53 -0000
>    From: "lecohen" <l.cohen@...>
> Subject: Got my FT 817
>
> Well I was able to get my 817 but the wife told me that I can't have
> it till fathers day.  What a meany!!!!!! :-)  gives me time to sneak
> and look in the box
>
>
> Larry
> AL7RI
> Anchorage, Alaska
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 03:35:54 -0400
>    From: Paul Valko <w8kc@...>
> Subject: Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Charles.B.Wilber@...
>   To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:01 PM
>
>   ...Although it was well within the specifications posted by LDG, the
13VDC,
>   10.4A wall-cube power supply would not make the tuner work. Substituting
two
>   9VDC NiMH batteries wired in series, I saw the Z-11 come to life and
perform
>   exactly as advertised.
>
>   Charlie,
>
>   Are you sure you have a TEN POINT FOUR AMP "wall-wart?"   Unless it's
some kind of switching power supply... it would be kind heavy to stay
plugged into a wall AC socket.
>
>   Just an FYI to the group, but many of those little 12 volt wall-cube
supplies are little more than a 20 volt transformer, a couple diodes for a
half-wave rectifier, and a filter cap.  They are USUALLY only good for a few
hundred milliamps and rarely anywhere near the specified voltage (except
under full load).  At that point those supplies typically provide a very
rippled DC output.
>
>   It would be interesting to look at the actual output voltage with a
meter and the waveform on an oscilloscope.
>
>   73! =paul= W8KC
>   Collector of Ten*Tecs and Other Fine Plastics.
>   Visit the Virtual Ten*Tec Museum at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/w8kc
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:04:39 -0000
>    From: "twin_otter_99" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
> Subject: Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>
> Hi there...
>
> Before I begin, I should probably introduce myself...my name is
> Tiffany and I've had my FT-817 for about 2 weeks now.  I've been
> enjoying it very much!  I've been reading the group for a while now
> and have gained a lot of useful information from reading the
> archives.
>
> I did read the FAQ (first thing!) and performed the green wire
> modification to allow use of NiMH cells in the battery tray after
> the addition of a couple of 2.5A pico fuses.  It's working great
> though takes quite a long time to charge.
>
> I have some questions about getting "punchier" audio from the
> 817...I've been debating whether or not to perform the Heil mic
> element mod to the mic on the FT-817 or whether to install the
> Collins SSB filter.  Which do you folks believe would give a
> female's voice better punch?  Would you go with the HC-4 or the HC-
> 5?  Should I really get both?  Could I do just as well with the
> Collins (or some other) SSB filter?
>
> After searching the archives, I'm led to believe one can gain
> more "talk power" through the use of the Heil mic elements (about
> 5db?) and the SSB filter (about 2db?), but I did not see anything in
> the archives about how well these will work with a woman's higher-
> pitched voice and which solution might work better.  In an ideal
> world (i.e. boundless cashflow), I would add all of the above, but
> I'm not independently wealthy yet.  :-)  Can anyone shed some
> insight into which solution might work best?
>
> I'd really appreciate any help.  I am making contacts and having
> fun...that's what's important.  I'd just like to make the most of my
> 5w.  :-)
>
> Tnx and 73!
>
> Tiffany
> (AG5U)
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
>    Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 06:49:13 -0400
>    From: "Don" <k7ugq@...>
> Subject: Re: Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>
> You are correct in wanting to shape the audio of your female voice while
> getting the best performance you can.  I would suggest you first focus on
> shaping or contouring your audio.  I use the MFJ-299 graphic equalizer
mic.
> It has two position compression (good for SSB DXing) as well as a four
band
> equalizer to emphasize and de-emphasize certain audio bandpasses.
>
> Next I would consider the SSB or CW filter, depending on which mode you
> operate the most.
>
> I have the use the MFJ-299 because I share the rig with my wife.  I can
not
> tell the difference with the SSB in or out on receive.  If there is a
> difference, to me it is ever so slight, however, I have been told the
> transmit quality is improved with the filter in. Truthfully, on SSB I
don't
> think it is worth the money. Spend the $150 buck or so on a good portable
> antenna.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "twin_otter_99" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
> To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 5:04 AM
> Subject: [FT817] Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>
>
> > Hi there...
> >
> > Before I begin, I should probably introduce myself...my name is
> > Tiffany and I've had my FT-817 for about 2 weeks now.  I've been
> > enjoying it very much!  I've been reading the group for a while now
> > and have gained a lot of useful information from reading the
> > archives.
> >
> > I did read the FAQ (first thing!) and performed the green wire
> > modification to allow use of NiMH cells in the battery tray after
> > the addition of a couple of 2.5A pico fuses.  It's working great
> > though takes quite a long time to charge.
> >
> > I have some questions about getting "punchier" audio from the
> > 817...I've been debating whether or not to perform the Heil mic
> > element mod to the mic on the FT-817 or whether to install the
> > Collins SSB filter.  Which do you folks believe would give a
> > female's voice better punch?  Would you go with the HC-4 or the HC-
> > 5?  Should I really get both?  Could I do just as well with the
> > Collins (or some other) SSB filter?
> >
> > After searching the archives, I'm led to believe one can gain
> > more "talk power" through the use of the Heil mic elements (about
> > 5db?) and the SSB filter (about 2db?), but I did not see anything in
> > the archives about how well these will work with a woman's higher-
> > pitched voice and which solution might work better.  In an ideal
> > world (i.e. boundless cashflow), I would add all of the above, but
> > I'm not independently wealthy yet.  :-)  Can anyone shed some
> > insight into which solution might work best?
> >
> > I'd really appreciate any help.  I am making contacts and having
> > fun...that's what's important.  I'd just like to make the most of my
> > 5w.  :-)
> >
> > Tnx and 73!
> >
> > Tiffany
> > (AG5U)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > FT817-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com and for a great FAQ ( Frequently Asked
> Questions ) see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FT817/database
> > Some really good technical info at:
> http://www.ussc.com/~turner/ft817pg.shtml
> > Please note that your messages and files sent to this group may appear
> anywhere on the Internet or in print without notice or compensation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:47:30 -0000
>    From: "vk2bmm" <m.richter@...>
> Subject: Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>
> The FT 817 has lot's of protection for the Finals - Hi SWR, ALC,
> Current - BUT it has no temperature sensing or protection at all.
> Your hand is the only available temperature sensor !
>
> Overheating can occur easily if you are using high-average modes (FM,
> PSK31, compressed voice) and/or the heatsink/chassis is covered by a
> case.
>
> I wonder how many of the Final Transistor failures mentioned here
> have been caused by overheating. Remember that the Finals are not
> covered under warranty
>
> Mike VK2BMM
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "w3ce_qrp" <alw@e...> wrote:
> > I recently ran my 817 outside on a picnic table in full sun. After
> 15
> > minutes the case was too hot to touch. I did then get it under wome
> > shade, but it kept on ticking. No operational problems at all.
> >
> > Of course its still in warrenty. After the third week in Aug (1
> year)
> > it will probably give up the ghost.
> > 73s
> > W3CE
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
>    Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 10:32:05 -0400
>    From: "Bruce Appelbaum" <brucea@...>
> Subject: Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>
> An alternate view:
>
> Going back to the beginning of this thread, it turns out that there was
nothing wrong with the Z-11 tuner in the first place, just that the power
supply the buyer tried was insufficient for it.  So the fault was with the
buyer, not the vendor.  But the vendor incurred significant cost in trying
to resolve the customer's problem and sending a replacement unit for a unit
that was not fault to begin with.
>
> Did the buyer offer to reimburse the vendor for at least some of their
costs -- like the shipping cost for the replacement unit?
>
> Could any of this have been avoided if the buyer had read the manual to
determine the power requirements for the tuner?
>
> end
>
> Regards
>
> Bruce Appelbaum  KC2JDL
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 15
>    Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:20:26 -0400
>    From: "Harry Spetla" <adkcanoe@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>
> Well my finals were covered under warranty repair.  As far as I know, all
failures except those due to obvious mistreatment are covered under
warranty.  It just took 2 months to get them fixed.  The finals in my 817
failed the very first time that I transmitted with the radio, on 2 meters,
using the provided rubber duck antenna.  I was using the AA battery pack,
and the radio certainly wasn't overheated.
>
> Harry KA2DRE
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: vk2bmm
>   To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 8:47 AM
>   Subject: [FT817] Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>
>
>   The FT 817 has lot's of protection for the Finals - Hi SWR, ALC,
>   Current - BUT it has no temperature sensing or protection at all.
>   Your hand is the only available temperature sensor !
>
>   Overheating can occur easily if you are using high-average modes (FM,
>   PSK31, compressed voice) and/or the heatsink/chassis is covered by a
>   case.
>
>   I wonder how many of the Final Transistor failures mentioned here
>   have been caused by overheating. Remember that the Finals are not
>   covered under warranty
>
>   Mike VK2BMM
>
>   --- In FT817@y..., "w3ce_qrp" <alw@e...> wrote:
>   > I recently ran my 817 outside on a picnic table in full sun. After
>   15
>   > minutes the case was too hot to touch. I did then get it under wome
>   > shade, but it kept on ticking. No operational problems at all.
>   >
>   > Of course its still in warrenty. After the third week in Aug (1
>   year)
>   > it will probably give up the ghost.
>   > 73s
>   > W3CE
>
>
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> Message: 16
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:52:39 -0000
>    From: "montanaaardvark" <blombardi@...>
> Subject: Filter Plots - If Anyone is Interested
>
> Gang,
>
>
> I had the chance to put a Collins mechanical SSB filter, CW filter
> and the standard ceramic filter from the FT-817 on the network
> analyzer
> and got "typical" plots of what they look like. This was done by
> putting a series 1500 ohm resistor on each 50 ohm port of the network
> analyzer and putting a 33 pF cap across the input of the filter. The
> cap is in the Collins test set for these filters, but I don't know
> that it's required for the ceramic. If nothing else, it gives a
> direct comparison. Measuring a 2k-ish filter on a 50 ohm set gives
> strange readings for the insertion loss, but I think the general
> shape is okay with the matching cap.
>
> If there's interest, I'll scan them in, make them into reasonably
> sized jpegs, and put on the server here. I haven't seen this data
> online, so I went ahead and measured it.
>
> Note that this is not the W4RT board or the Yaesu board, just the
> optional Collins filters by themselves.
>
>
>
> 73,
> Bob
> W4ATM
> Montana_Aardvark
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:56:46 -0000
>    From: "montanaaardvark" <blombardi@...>
> Subject: Filter Plots - If Anyone is Interested
>
> Gang,
>
>
> I had the chance to put a Collins mechanical SSB filter, CW filter
> and the standard ceramic filter from the FT-817 on the network
> analyzer
> and got "typical" plots of what they look like. This was done by
> putting a series 1500 ohm resistor on each 50 ohm port of the network
> analyzer and putting a 33 pF cap across the input of the filter. The
> cap is in the Collins test set for these filters, but I don't know
> that it's required for the ceramic. If nothing else, it gives a
> direct comparison. Measuring a 2k-ish filter on a 50 ohm set gives
> strange readings for the insertion loss, but I think the general
> shape is okay with the matching cap.
>
> If there's interest, I'll scan them in, make them into reasonably
> sized jpegs, and put on the server here. I haven't seen this data
> online, so I went ahead and measured it.
>
> Note that this is not the W4RT board or the Yaesu board, just the
> optional Collins filters by themselves.
>
>
>
> 73,
> Bob
> W4ATM
> Montana_Aardvark
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 18
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:01:57 -0000
>    From: "gmhowardfoo" <georgehome@...>
> Subject: Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>
> Yes he did! And there was more to the story. He didn't tell you that
> our RMA department didn't process his RMA for a week, this is why he
> got the upgraded shipping to overnight. We like to take care of
> mistakes that we make, it's just good customer service.
>
> - George / NW4G
> GigaParts, Inc.
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "Bruce Appelbaum" <brucea@b...> wrote:
> > An alternate view:
> >
> > Going back to the beginning of this thread, it turns out that there
> was nothing wrong with the Z-11 tuner in the first place, just that
> the power supply the buyer tried was insufficient for it.  So the
> fault was with the buyer, not the vendor.  But the vendor incurred
> significant cost in trying to resolve the customer's problem and
> sending a replacement unit for a unit that was not fault to begin
> with.
> >
> > Did the buyer offer to reimburse the vendor for at least some of
> their costs -- like the shipping cost for the replacement unit?
> >
> > Could any of this have been avoided if the buyer had read the
> manual to determine the power requirements for the tuner?
> >
> > end
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bruce Appelbaum  KC2JDL
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 19
>    Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:07:16 -0500
>    From: "Jeff Kilgore" <the.weight@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>
> I recently made my first order from GigaParts and was very pleased with
> their service. I ordered a TCXO-9, W4RT 1800-mAH battery pack, and a
couple
> of books via their web site one evening. The next day, they let me know
that
> their was a problem with my credit card. I called my credit card company
and
> found out that they needed GigaParts to give them the security code from
the
> back of my credit card. I gave George this information and he got the
order
> right out with a free upgrade to overnight FedEx.
>
> No connection to GigaParts, other than as a satisfied customer who looks
> forward to doing business with them again in the future.
>
> 73,
> Jeff, KC1MK
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 20
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:08:56 -0000
>    From: "wa8thk" <wa8thk@...>
> Subject: who needs finals???
>
> took the final ckt board out of the rig  added a .01 cap to feed the
> little rf through  and still  i work ssb 40m mid cars 7.258 about
> 300 miles  s5 to 6   .... maybe i will not  replace the final
> stage ..true QRP...  must be the bazooka ant at 56 ft ?
>
> Perry  wa8thk
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 21
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:21:58 -0000
>    From: "nw4g" <georgehome@...>
> Subject: Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>
> I don't have enough information here to be able to look in our system
> and see what is going on, obviously there is a serious
> miscommunication :)
>
> If we made a mistake we will certainly take care of it. Please give
> me an e-mail at george@... so that we can resolve the
> situation. If you originally paid for Overnight Saturday Delivery and
> we shipped you the wrong product THEN OF COURSE we will ship the
> replacement to you in the same fashion at our expense. I really do
> want to look into this and figure out what is going on.
>
> I am not in the store today but I will be in tomorrow, you are
> welcome to call and talk to me directly at 866-535-4442 Ext. 133.
> Alternatively e-mail me at the address above and I can try and take
> care of this today. If you have already received your antenna I can
> issue a credit for the shipping, if you haven't then we have lots of
> other options!
>
> - George / NW4G
> Totally affiliated with GigaParts
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "ballistic_nylon" <the_real_jumpmaster@y...> wrote:
> > While I have had generally pleasant experiences from Gigaparts, I
> > thought I might share this tidbit with the group...
> >
> > I had ordered an antenna for my FT-817 -- the MFJ singleband
> antenna
> > for 17m.  Gigaparts inadvertently shipped me the 15m by mistake.
> > When I called to explain I'd ordered the 17m antenna, they were
> > pleasant about exchanging the antenna...what I found odd was that I
> > had ordered the antenna originally to have it shipped FedEx
> Standard
> > with Saturday delivery (at a cost of $18.00, which I was not
> notified
> > of when I placed the order over the phone...they said, "Oh, with
> > Saturday delivery, looks like $8.00".  They just forgot to tell me
> > they added another $10.00 for FedEx and tacked on $8 more for
> > Saturday delivery...understandable).
> >
> > Anyway, here's the kicker...after all that, they told me yesterday
> > that they're shipping the replacement antenna via FedEx Ground.
> >
> > Something just didn't seem right about that...
> >
> > Overall, I've been happy with the last couple of transactions with
> > Gigaparts.  Their staff is knowledgeable and friendly.  I just
> don't
> > know about this last one...hopefully, it'll all even out in the
> end...
> >
> > JC
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:33:43 -0000
>    From: "nw4g" <georgehome@...>
> Subject: Re: Appreciate helpful vendors
>
> Problem Solved!
>
> I found the credit order for the 15M antenna. Richard did not notice
> when he did the credit order that you had originally ordered for
> Overnight Saturday delivery. He is going to attempt to contact you
> today. We can cross ship the replacement antenna so that you have it
> on Tuesday and we will cover the freight. Richard has the details. If
> you have any problems in the future please let us know!! We live to
> resolve any issues our customers may have.
>
> 73
> George / NW4G
>
> --- In FT817@y..., "nw4g" <georgehome@g...> wrote:
> > I don't have enough information here to be able to look in our
> system
> > and see what is going on, obviously there is a serious
> > miscommunication :)
> >
> > If we made a mistake we will certainly take care of it. Please give
> > me an e-mail at george@g... so that we can resolve the
> > situation. If you originally paid for Overnight Saturday Delivery
> and
> > we shipped you the wrong product THEN OF COURSE we will ship the
> > replacement to you in the same fashion at our expense. I really do
> > want to look into this and figure out what is going on.
> >
> > I am not in the store today but I will be in tomorrow, you are
> > welcome to call and talk to me directly at 866-535-4442 Ext. 133.
> > Alternatively e-mail me at the address above and I can try and take
> > care of this today. If you have already received your antenna I can
> > issue a credit for the shipping, if you haven't then we have lots
> of
> > other options!
> >
> > - George / NW4G
> > Totally affiliated with GigaParts
> >
> > --- In FT817@y..., "ballistic_nylon" <the_real_jumpmaster@y...>
> wrote:
> > > While I have had generally pleasant experiences from Gigaparts, I
> > > thought I might share this tidbit with the group...
> > >
> > > I had ordered an antenna for my FT-817 -- the MFJ singleband
> > antenna
> > > for 17m.  Gigaparts inadvertently shipped me the 15m by mistake.
> > > When I called to explain I'd ordered the 17m antenna, they were
> > > pleasant about exchanging the antenna...what I found odd was that
> I
> > > had ordered the antenna originally to have it shipped FedEx
> > Standard
> > > with Saturday delivery (at a cost of $18.00, which I was not
> > notified
> > > of when I placed the order over the phone...they said, "Oh, with
> > > Saturday delivery, looks like $8.00".  They just forgot to tell
> me
> > > they added another $10.00 for FedEx and tacked on $8 more for
> > > Saturday delivery...understandable).
> > >
> > > Anyway, here's the kicker...after all that, they told me
> yesterday
> > > that they're shipping the replacement antenna via FedEx Ground.
> > >
> > > Something just didn't seem right about that...
> > >
> > > Overall, I've been happy with the last couple of transactions
> with
> > > Gigaparts.  Their staff is knowledgeable and friendly.  I just
> > don't
> > > know about this last one...hopefully, it'll all even out in the
> > end...
> > >
> > > JC
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 23
>    Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:31:06 +0100
>    From: "Nigel Gunn" <nigel@...>
> Subject: Re: Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>
> I've improved my transmit efficiency significantly by installing the W4RT
> OBP speech processor inside the rig.
> Was a good ten pounds worth.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "twin_otter_99" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
> To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:04 AM
> Subject: [FT817] Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??
>
>
> > Hi there...
> >
> > Before I begin, I should probably introduce myself...my name is
> > Tiffany and I've had my FT-817 for about 2 weeks now.  I've been
> > enjoying it very much!  I've been reading the group for a while now
> > and have gained a lot of useful information from reading the
> > archives.
> >
> > I did read the FAQ (first thing!) and performed the green wire
> > modification to allow use of NiMH cells in the battery tray after
> > the addition of a couple of 2.5A pico fuses.  It's working great
> > though takes quite a long time to charge.
> >
> > I have some questions about getting "punchier" audio from the
> > 817...I've been debating whether or not to perform the Heil mic
> > element mod to the mic on the FT-817 or whether to install the
> > Collins SSB filter.  Which do you folks believe would give a
> > female's voice better punch?  Would you go with the HC-4 or the HC-
> > 5?  Should I really get both?  Could I do just as well with the
> > Collins (or some other) SSB filter?
> >
> > After searching the archives, I'm led to believe one can gain
> > more "talk power" through the use of the Heil mic elements (about
> > 5db?) and the SSB filter (about 2db?), but I did not see anything in
> > the archives about how well these will work with a woman's higher-
> > pitched voice and which solution might work better.  In an ideal
> > world (i.e. boundless cashflow), I would add all of the above, but
> > I'm not independently wealthy yet.  :-)  Can anyone shed some
> > insight into which solution might work best?
> >
> > I'd really appreciate any help.  I am making contacts and having
> > fun...that's what's important.  I'd just like to make the most of my
> > 5w.  :-)
> >
> > Tnx and 73!
> >
> > Tiffany
> > (AG5U)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 24
>    Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:33:55 +0100
>    From: "Nigel Gunn" <nigel@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>
> The finals are FETs not bipolars so their gain decreases with increase in
> temperature. They tend to be self protecting and do not suffer thermal
> runaway.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vk2bmm" <m.richter@...>
> To: <FT817@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 1:47 PM
> Subject: [FT817] Re: Hot 817 - No Problem
>
>
> > The FT 817 has lot's of protection for the Finals - Hi SWR, ALC,
> > Current - BUT it has no temperature sensing or protection at all.
> > Your hand is the only available temperature sensor !
> >
> > Overheating can occur easily if you are using high-average modes (FM,
> > PSK31, compressed voice) and/or the heatsink/chassis is covered by a
> > case.
> >
> > I wonder how many of the Final Transistor failures mentioned here
> > have been caused by overheating. Remember that the Finals are not
> > covered under warranty
> >
> > Mike VK2BMM
> >
> > --- In FT817@y..., "w3ce_qrp" <alw@e...> wrote:
> > > I recently ran my 817 outside on a picnic table in full sun. After
> > 15
> > > minutes the case was too hot to touch. I did then get it under wome
> > > shade, but it kept on ticking. No operational problems at all.
> > >
> > > Of course its still in warrenty. After the third week in Aug (1
> > year)
> > > it will probably give up the ghost.
> > > 73s
> > > W3CE
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> http://www.ussc.com/~turner/ft817pg.shtml
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> Message: 25
>    Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 22:48:13 -0000
>    From: "k8ys" <k8ys@...>
> Subject: anyone have an opinion about this amp??
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1355955639
>
> There is some guy selling amps on ebay... 200w for $99.00. He CLAIMS
> they are SSB/AM/CW (I read that as Class AB - I maybe reading too
> much into that too). He has a good amount of positive feedback, and
> when I emailed the negative feedback with questions, they of course
> said to stay away. The seller does not answer email, I am sure that
> he is very underground due to his product.
>
> Has anyone looked at these amps?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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--- In FT817@y..., Bob Conder <Bconder@c...> wrote:
> Message text written by INTERNET:FT817@y...
> ><
> -Rememer several posts ago post abt difficulty installing the cw
filter.
> Is there a trick to it? The pins look easily reversible, eg, could
fit with
> a north or south orientation.
> Or, does that matter?
> TNX.
>   Bob K4RLC
>

Bob,

There is but one proper way to install the CW filter.  One end has 3-
pins and the other 4-pins.  Match the sockets to the pins.  Next, be
sure that you can read the label on the CW filter.  Set menu #38 to
CW and then use NAR when you want to activate the filter in CW, CWR,
or DIG modes.  FWIW, 3 pins on the 4-pins end are grounded while two
of the 3-pins end are grounded.

72 de barry - W4WB

The average female voice has more energy concentrated in higher frequencies
compared to the average male voice-- and I think I recall that to some
extent, some of this sometimes falls above the effective upper cutoff of the
passband of a typical ssb rig.  So an ssb filter (regardless of "stock" or
"collins") may be truncating parts of your speech that contain significant
parts of the information in your speech.

I believe the 817 has the ability to adjust the transmit carrier offset
relative to the filter, and that this may offer some potential to improve
the extent to which the filter is passing the frequency ranges of your voice
that contain the most energy/ information.

This also does not involve cost, just experimentation (which is not to
detract from the heil mic element, collins SSB filter, etc. all of which are
good, as is the W4RT "one big punch" compressor-- in my opinion the
compressor may offer you the most improvement per $ among these options)

I have not adjusted the carrier offset myself so cannot offer guidance on
the details of "how to."  Perhaps others here can, and perhaps others here
can comment on whether I am on a "right track" or not.

73 & good luck
Trevor
KD1YT

----- Original Message -----
From: "twin_otter_99" <the_real_jumpmaster@...>
Subject: [FT817] Best solution for more "punch" for female voice??


> Hi there...
>
> Before I begin, I should probably introduce myself...my name is
> Tiffany and I've had my FT-817 for about 2 weeks now.  I've been
> I have some questions about getting "punchier" audio from the
> 817...I've been debating whether or not to perform the Heil mic
> element mod to the mic on the FT-817 or whether to install the
> Collins SSB filter.  Which do you folks believe would give a
> female's voice better punch?
>
> Tnx and 73!
>
> Tiffany
> (AG5U)
>

Yes, having received excellent service from Gigaparts on my past
orders, I did figure this was just a simple misunderstanding.  I
would like to thank Gigaparts for promptly addressing the shipping
situation.  I received helpful e-mails from both George and Richard
there...I called to explain that I wasn't exactly angry, just more
puzzled than anything else.

So, the short story is I'm still a happy and satisfied customer of
Gigaparts.  I think I will probably be ordering some more items from
them very soon.  Their prices are great and so is their unparalleled
service.  It is obvious to me now that they do strive for
excellence.  They're even cross-shipping the new antenna without
waiting to receive the other one...I do understand they didn't have
to do that!

Thanks again to Richard and George at Gigaparts!

JM-99


--- In FT817@y..., "nw4g" <georgehome@g...> wrote:
> Problem Solved!
>
> I found the credit order for the 15M antenna. Richard did not
> notice when he did the credit order that you had originally
> ordered for Overnight Saturday delivery. He is going to attempt to
> contact you today. We can cross ship the replacement antenna so
> that you have it on Tuesday and we will cover the freight. Richard
> has the details. If you have any problems in the future please let
> us know!! We live to resolve any issues our customers may have.
>
> 73
> George / NW4G

If they  sell for $99.00 US, I am willing to BET that they DO NOT HAVE the
necessary multiple ,  band-switched HARMONIC FILTERS that are REQUIRED to
comply with the spectral purity regulations in the USA and many other
countries!- To PROPERLY filter a broad-band amp, normally requires AT LEAST
SIX  (6) separate, multi-section, band switched filters to cover the amateur
bands from 160 thru 6 meters, and filters of the quality and power handling
ability required, along with the needed relays (12 or more) would likely cost
$99.00 or more, WITHOUT the amplifier!
    My advice? Treat it as a rotten fish, stay away! --- (UNLESS you are able
and willing to re-package/engineer it to INCLUDE the missing filters and
associated shielding/bypassing.--- 73, KC3VO--Bob Curry