Well - the results are in.  For those of you who didn't get to play - there is
always January.

I am going to be experimenting with a long wire and a vertical for December.  If
I don't get stuck working.

URL to scores is below.

Mike - KD9KC.
El Paso, Tx.
DM61rt

Molon labe. [mo-lone lah-veh] Google it...

=============================================
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=============================================

The 2009 ARS Spartan Sprint calendar closed the year with really
challenging band conditions, but Monday evening some of the most
skilled low-power operators on the planet converged on HF QRP
frequencies to take on the December '09 event.

Earning top honors were Andy MacAllister, W5ACM; and Bob Patten,
N4BP, in the Skinny and Tubby divisions respectively. Good scores
were turned in all around - despite the generally crummy conditions.

For complete results and soapbox comments, visit the ARS Spartan
Sprint results page:

http://www.ARSqrp.blogspot.com

To all who came out, thanks for your participation, and we'll look for
you in January to kick off the New Year.

Richard Fisher, KI6SN

Chris Kantarjiev, K6DBG

The Adventure Radio Society

* Johnny Siu <vr2xmc@...> [2009 Dec 11 09:01 -0600]:
> Hello Group,
>
> I would like to do a general coverage TX expansion for my FT817ND.  Could any
of you direct me to the right source of information?

http://mods.dk

73, de Nate N0NB >>

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possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html

Hello Group,

I would like to doĀ a general coverageĀ TX expansion for my FT817ND.Ā  Could any
of you direct me to the right source of information?

73

Johnny Siu VR2XMC



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Rick, Jerry, and All,

That's correct, if my memory serves me right.  Varney was using 600 ohm ladder
line originally, but the "G5RV" has been modified so much over the years, it's
getting unrecognizable compared to Varney's original intended design.

My point was that the G5RV, which uses a matching section and coax, is not a
very good multi-band antenna.  That's primarily due to the use of coax, as Rick
pointed out more directly.  Varney was only trying to take an antenna which
would "work" on 75/80 meters, and extend its usability to 20 meters.  With
pi-networks like those being used in Varney's era, you could do that with some
success.  However, multi-band capability beyond that was not what Varney was
trying to achieve.

As Jerry mentions, just using balanced line, and a tuner, will give you much,
much lower losses overall.  So, just dump the coax as Rick suggests!

The U.K. website containing the analysis of the G5RV shows clearly how high the
SWR gets on most of the bands, which pretty much infers that a tuner is an
important part of the formula.  Even on the bands originally intended, a tuner
may be necessary, since we don't see many people still using pi-network rigs
these days.  The FT-817 sure doesn't have one!  I'll make a rash statement here,
and suggest that a lot of the "blown final" problem we hear about with FT-817 is
due to folks using antennas like this without a proper tuner in the circuit. 
Many (most) transistorized rigs these days just cannot deal with very high SWR.

Using a G5RV, even with a tuner, doesn't eliminate the loss problem due to the
long run of coax--at least I don't think it does.  It may be "acceptable" on a
couple of bands, but not most bands.  Your rig will see a "match", but the
losses have not been eliminated as they would be if you just used balanced line.
Balanced line has very low loss, so you only lose whatever the tuner eats up. 
That will be a lot less than what you lose due to long runs of coax.

Someone mentioned Lew McCoy.  He was famous for responding to the question of
"what's the best antenna", by saying "the longest antenna you can manage, as
high as you can get it"--or words to that effect.  I heard him say that many
times, and he wasn't being flip.  Remember though, that McCoy also was equally
famous for his antenna tuner design, and he always recommended that as part of
the overall antenna system.  He also strongly advocated balanced line as opposed
to coax for any "non-resonant" antenna.

If you want to run an FT-817 with a multi-band wire antenna you probably should
avoid coax if possible, unless you want to operate QRPp instead of QRP!  The
"secret" to successful QRP operating is having a good antenna--at least one that
is the best you can manage, and has the least loss.  Tuners can be "lossy", and
so can traps.  But probably nothing eats up your power faster than coax hooked
to a non-resonant antenna.  Even with a resonant antenna, a long run of coax can
cause pretty high losses unless you have some really expensive low loss type--at
least RG8 or better.

I've never understood the infatuation with G5RV's.  Just about every antenna
Guru I know about has been critical of its efficiency.  However, as McCoy also
often said, any antenna will radiate.  I just think G5RV users don't realize how
much of their output power is going up in heat rather than radiated RF. They
would be much better off if they made the antenna simpler by just eliminating
the coax,substituting almost any balanced line, and using just about any decent
tuner. No complicated matching section to worry about.

Dave W7AQK





--- In FT817@yahoogroups.com, QRP_1@... wrote:
>
> Bill, the balanced line is/was used to match the antenna on 20 meters.
> It is what we commonly call a 'Q' section.  If you use a balanced line
> tuner with the antenna, then the use of balanced line from the antenna to
> the tuner is preferred.  It will eleiminate a lot of loss from the coax.
> Jerry W5JH [[snip]]
>
> You know Jerry - if I'm not mistaking, I think Varney may have used
> around 34' of 600 ohm balanced feedline as his Q section and then
> connected it to the old 75 ohm transmitting balanced feedline that used
> to be on the market several years ago.  Seems to me that I read this on
> the web somewhere once.
>
> 73 - Rick McKee, KC8AON
> Southern Ohio - EM88sn
> www.angelfire.com/electronic2/qrp
> With God all things are possible ~ ><(('> ~
>

I have the LDG Z100 tuner and sometimes it will tune nice and other times it
wont. I have not been able to figure out why its like this. I am tuning into my
dipole and it is cut to resonance. It does not need a tuner on one part of the
band on 80M or the other wire on 160M but in other parts it does and even other
bands wont give a nice tune. If I use my manual one I can tune it just fine any
where any band! Sometimes auto tuning is nice and easy but other times I just
have to do it with the old manual one. Amie N9OXO



--- In FT817@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Olbrisch" <mike-2007@...> wrote:
>
> A 10 ft whip will tune.  BUT - he problem is, you didn't say where.  Also -
does
> it have a counterpoise (radials) or not?
>
> 10m, 12m, 15m, 17m, 20m and 30m - probably no problem at all.  40m and 60m  -
> maybe.  80m - maybe not.
>
> Best way to find out is to try it.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

20 foot whip?
I have a 10 and 12 foot telescopic whips that I use with a MP-1 home brew
antenna  and with my base HS-1500 but never found a 20 foot version.
I do operate using a 20 foot crappie pole and a 20 foot coated fleaxweave wire
with a 4:1 into my LDG and it works on 40 , a bit hard on 80/75.
A interesting version that works BETTER with a 20 foot telescoping fiberglass
pole is suspending a SLINKY (brass version is better) I made a upper and lower
cross supports using wide heavy duty tie wraps and then work it into a small 4:1
and then into the LDG.
Works like gang busters with my 817, 80-6 the 817 is in the world pack  backpack
and powerd by two "home built" (recoverd from laptop packs) 11 volt 5 amp packs.
The 20 foot pole fited into the side slip on, easy to transports and set up.
73's
AB2ET/4
--- In FT817@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Olbrisch" <mike-2007@...> wrote:
>
> A 10 ft whip will tune.  BUT - he prolem is, you didn't say where.  Also -
does
> it have a counterpoise (radials) or not?
>
> 10m, 12m, 15m, 17m, 20m and 30m - probably no problem at all.  40m and 60m  -
> maybe.  80m - maybe not.
>
> Best way to find out is to try it.
>
>
> Mike - KD9KC.
> El Paso, Tx.
> DM61rt
>
> Molon labe. [mo-lone lah-veh] Google it...
>
> =============================================
> The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.
> =============================================
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: FT817@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FT817@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ted
> Wager
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:52 AM
> To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FT817] LDG Tuner
>
>
>
>
> Anyone tell me if the Z11pro will tune a 20ft whip or if not what sort
> of balun will allow it to tune
> it ?
>
> --
> Regards
> Ted Wager
> High Peak UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ok I will search it and see what is going on there.
Not much different than hunting for Rare DX except possibly closer sound's like
to me.
Thanks Gary and Good Luck in the contest.. OM.
Pete WD4GPO



-----Original Message-----
From: Garie Halstead K8KFJ <khyberpass65@...>
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [FT817] Spartan Sprint




_______________________________
From: "peteclough@..." <peteclough@...>
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:45:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FT817] Spartan Sprint


         > Gary.
         > Did you just listen for a designated signal/station?
         > Or did you actually attempt triangulation for actual
         >  location with other participants?

Hello Pete.  We usually receive emails on the Fox discussion
group prior to the Fox Hunt.  So, we know the callsigns of
the two Fox stations we'll be searching for.  Personally, I just
listen for a pileup of Fox Hunters calling then tune down a bit
as they use split frequency.  Right now, I believe there's both
an 80 and 40m Fox Hunt.  I believe there's a Fox Hunt web
site if you'd like to check it out.  I don't have the URL handy
but just do a search on QRP Fox Hunt and that should take
you there.  We call always use more hounds to help hunt
down those pesky FOXes.  Come join us.

72, Gary  -K8KFJ-
West Virginia
FT-817nd  #7J290078







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Rick, my impression of the G5RV and similar antennas is that the length
of the balanced ladder line is an integral part of the design. Someone
else comment on this? [[snip]]

You are correct Bil, but the G5RV was originally designed as a gain
antenna for 20 meters and thats why the balanced feeder was the length it
is.  Varney then discovered that it also worked fairly well on other
bands via the use of a tuner, and my statement pertains strictly to
multiband use.  Most folks use the G5RV as a multiband antenna, but 70'
of coax introduces a certain amount of losses and thats why I suggest to
use nothing but low loss balanced feedline - it will transfer more power
to the antenna to be radiated and as QRPers, we need to make sure we get
as much of our flea power as possible to the antenna !  So if you plan on
using the G5RV only as a 20 meter antenna, there is nothing wrong with
the balanced line/coax combo - but for multiband use, I'll take the
strict balanced feedline only route every time !

73 - Rick McKee, KC8AON
Southern Ohio - EM88sn
www.angelfire.com/electronic2/qrp
With God all things are possible ~ ><(('> ~

Bill, the balanced line is/was used to match the antenna on 20 meters.
It is what we commonly call a 'Q' section.  If you use a balanced line
tuner with the antenna, then the use of balanced line from the antenna to
the tuner is preferred.  It will eleiminate a lot of loss from the coax.
Jerry W5JH [[snip]]

You know Jerry - if I'm not mistaking, I think Varney may have used
around 34' of 600 ohm balanced feedline as his Q section and then
connected it to the old 75 ohm transmitting balanced feedline that used
to be on the market several years ago.  Seems to me that I read this on
the web somewhere once.

73 - Rick McKee, KC8AON
Southern Ohio - EM88sn
www.angelfire.com/electronic2/qrp
With God all things are possible ~ ><(('> ~

I met Louis Varney just the once, I can¹t remember where.  He was a
stereotypically English gentleman.

I really agree with Lew McCoy about doublet lengths (i.e. the best length is
determined by the distance between the available supports), but there is one
thing that I have learnt from experience in trying to squeeze as many bands
as possible out of a doublet with an atu, and that is to unbalance it
slightly.  So long as you choke the common mode current due to the
imbalance, then it¹s a technique that for me has worked well.  I have a
roughly 40m long doublet, with one side about 2m longer than the other. I
match it with an AH-4 tuner which sits at the bottom of about 7m of 300 ohm
slotted feeder (the tuner is on a flat roof way above the shack).  I choke
the coax run which comes down from the tuner with lots of ferrite and have
no rf in the shack as a result.  Off centre feeding makes the match so much
easier to obtain on those bands where the doublet looks like a multiple of a
fullwave and has a consequently high impedance.  It¹s my only serious hf
antenna and has worked well for me from 80m up to 6m.

73 Stephen G4SJP


On 10/12/2009 21:08, "Geoff Blake" <geoff@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Bil Paul wrote:
>
>> > Rick, my impression of the G5RV and similar antennas is that the length
>> > of the balanced ladder line is an integral part of the design. Someone
>> > else comment on this?   -- Bil   KD6JUI
>
> This is correct.
>
> Incidentally, I live less than a mile (other end of the village) from
> where Louis Varney lived. Sadly I never knew him.
>
> Geoff




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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Bil Paul wrote:

> Rick, my impression of the G5RV and similar antennasĀ is that the length
> of the balanced ladder lineĀ is an integral part of the design. Someone
> else comment on this? Ā  -- BilĀ Ā  KD6JUI

This is correct.

Incidentally, I live less than a mile (other end of the village) from
where Louis Varney lived. Sadly I never knew him.

Geoff

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Bill, the balanced line is/was used to match the antenna on 20 meters.Ā  It is
what we commonly call a 'Q' section.Ā  If you use a balanced line tuner with the
antenna, then the use of balanced line from the antenna to the tuner is
preferred.Ā  It will eleiminate a lot of loss from the coax.
Jerry W5JH


Ā Ā 



Rick, my impression of the G5RV and similar antennasĀ is that the length of the
balanced ladder lineĀ is an integral part of the design. Someone else comment on
this?
Ā 
-- BilĀ Ā  KD6JUI

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, QRP_1@... <QRP_1@...> wrote:

From: QRP_1@... <QRP_1@...>
Subject: Re: [FT817] Re: half wave vertical Plus Comments on G5RV Issues
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 4:44 PM

Ā 

I wish every G5RV user, and potential user, would carefully read the
info on the U.K. website about this antenna. Maybe then they will see
why so many of us who have used G5RV's tell them that a tuner is [[snip]]

Another thing that I recommend with the G5RV is to eliminate the 70' of
coax and use low loss balanced feedline all the way to the shack - it
will much more efficient that way !

73 - Rick McKee, KC8AON
Southern Ohio - EM88sn
www.angelfire. com/electronic2/ qrp
With God all things are possible ~ ><(('> ~

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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I think that (sadly missed) Lew McCoy summed this up in his book.
A length of wire, long enough to fit between two supports...cut in the centre
and fed with 450 or 300 ohm twinlead all the way to a tuner...he indicated the
various overall lengths he experimented with.
In Lew's estimation, this is the finest wire antenna there is...not to be
confused with a G5RV where the accolades must go to Lew Varney.
Tongue in cheek, Lew called his antenna a McCoy!!!
Bob VE3GND

Hi

I copy this link that is circulating on a brasilian QRP group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0eGzNVomA&NR=1

PY1AHD ALEX


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Rick, my impression of the G5RV and similar antennasĀ is that the length of the
balanced ladder lineĀ is an integral part of the design. Someone else comment on
this?
Ā 
-- BilĀ Ā  KD6JUI

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, QRP_1@... <QRP_1@...> wrote:


From: QRP_1@... <QRP_1@...>
Subject: Re: [FT817] Re: half wave vertical Plus Comments on G5RV Issues
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 4:44 PM


Ā 



I wish every G5RV user, and potential user, would carefully read the
info on the U.K. website about this antenna. Maybe then they will see
why so many of us who have used G5RV's tell them that a tuner is [[snip]]

Another thing that I recommend with the G5RV is to eliminate the 70' of
coax and use low loss balanced feedline all the way to the shack - it
will much more efficient that way !

73 - Rick McKee, KC8AON
Southern Ohio - EM88sn
www.angelfire. com/electronic2/ qrp
With God all things are possible ~ ><(('> ~










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

_______________________________
From: "peteclough@..." <peteclough@...>
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:45:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FT817] Spartan Sprint
 

        > Gary.
        > Did you just listen for a designated signal/station?
        > Or did you actually attempt triangulation for actual
        >  location with other participants?

Hello Pete.  We usually receive emails on the Fox discussion
group prior to the Fox Hunt.  So, we know the callsigns of
the two Fox stations we'll be searching for.  Personally, I just
listen for a pileup of Fox Hunters calling then tune down a bit
as they use split frequency.  Right now, I believe there's both
an 80 and 40m Fox Hunt.  I believe there's a Fox Hunt web
site if you'd like to check it out.  I don't have the URL handy
but just do a search on QRP Fox Hunt and that should take
you there.  We call always use more hounds to help hunt
down those pesky FOXes.  Come join us.

72, Gary  -K8KFJ-
West Virginia
FT-817nd  #7J290078

Howdy Charles and Group:

    I use old used HP IPAQ hand held devices.  There are many models of this
unit, mine are the 3800 series. I paid less than $ 20.00 for mine. They are full
color palm units.  They all run Windows CE. There is indeed a little free ham
software available. There are Satellite Tracking programs, Logging, CW Practice,
and APRS programs available, to name a few.   PocketDigi is free and very well
does PSK modes. Also be aware of the HP Jornada 720. It has a touch screen as
well as a keyboard, runs Windows CE. It does PocketDigi as well. Many are
available cheaply on the "famous auction site."

http://www.qsl.net/zl3ad/toppage1.htm

Try a Google search also, many sites are dedicated to the 3800 series.

The best part is that these devices are readily available on that "famous
auction site", used of course for very little money.  If the battery needs to be
replaced, you can do it for less than $ 20 US, with a little mechanical
knowledge.

Brian K7RE

--- In FT817@yahoogroups.com, "CharlesC" <cpcohen1945@...> wrote:
>
> I was just about to buy a new desk calendar book for 2010.  And I wondered
whether a Palm organizer (probably an obsolete model) might be just as cheap!
>
> And then I wondered (since I'm tired of lugging my laptop computer around):
>
> . . . Is there Palm PSK31 software?
>
> . . . Is there Palm logging software?
>
> . . . Is there a CW _decoding_ program like CWGet?
>
> . . . Is there _solid_ CW learning/practice software?
>
> There are lots of "broken links" when I do Google searches.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations ?  Thanks --
>
>               Charles VA7CPC
>

I had a Z-11 Pro tuning a 16' "flagpole" against my 10' metal balcony railing as
a counterpoise.

It was fine on 15m, 20m and 30m, and usable (matched across the band, but poor
signal strength) on 40m.  80m wouldn't tune consistently.

So your 20' whip -- with a decent counterpoise -- should work over the  same
bands.  You may have a "hole" around the frequencies where it's a  1/2-wave
long.

             Charles  VA7CPC


--- In FT817@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Olbrisch" <mike-2007@...> wrote:
>
> A 10 ft whip will tune.  BUT - he problem is, you didn't say where.  Also -
does
> it have a counterpoise (radials) or not?
>
> 10m, 12m, 15m, 17m, 20m and 30m - probably no problem at all.  40m and 60m  -
> maybe.  80m - maybe not.
>
> Best way to find out is to try it.
>
>
> Mike - KD9KC.
> El Paso, Tx.
> DM61rt
>
> Molon labe. [mo-lone lah-veh] Google it...
>
> =============================================
> The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.
> =============================================
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: FT817@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FT817@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ted
> Wager
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:52 AM
> To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FT817] LDG Tuner
>
>
>
>
> Anyone tell me if the Z11pro will tune a 20ft whip or if not what sort
> of balun will allow it to tune
> it ?
>
> --
> Regards
> Ted Wager
> High Peak UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It should. Here's the final word though,Ā  http://www.ldgelectronics.com/

Bill-WF1L

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Ted Wager <ted@...> wrote:

From: Ted Wager <ted@...>
Subject: [FT817] LDG Tuner
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 6:51 AM







Ā 









       Anyone tell me if the Z11pro will tune a 20ft whip or if not what sort

of balun will allow it to tune

it ?



--

Regards

  Ted Wager

   High Peak UK

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A 10 ft whip will tune.  BUT - he problem is, you didn't say where.  Also - does
it have a counterpoise (radials) or not?

10m, 12m, 15m, 17m, 20m and 30m - probably no problem at all.  40m and 60m  -
maybe.  80m - maybe not.

Best way to find out is to try it.


Mike - KD9KC.
El Paso, Tx.
DM61rt

Molon labe. [mo-lone lah-veh] Google it...

=============================================
The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.
=============================================




   _____

From: FT817@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FT817@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Wager
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:52 AM
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FT817] LDG Tuner




Anyone tell me if the Z11pro will tune a 20ft whip or if not what sort
of balun will allow it to tune
it ?

--
Regards
Ted Wager
High Peak UK







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Congrats Gary. I've been working Japan lately with my little setup.
817nd, a Z11PRO tuner, HB Windom at 30 ft, HP mini netbook, FLDIGI and a
Singnalink USB. Bands a little late opening today. Just starting to hear JA's.
Gotta go and see if I can work them this morning before work.

Bill K7BTE DM37dt

Correct.



73....Eric VK2VE.

   _____

From: FT817@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FT817@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nitevande@...
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 15:40
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FT817] Power Seting?????





So Eric when i set it for (no icon showing) at 13.8 volts this means its set
at 5Watts?

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, evdw@iprimus. <mailto:evdw%40iprimus.com.au> com.au
<evdw@iprimus. <mailto:evdw%40iprimus.com.au> com.au> wrote:

From: evdw@iprimus. <mailto:evdw%40iprimus.com.au> com.au <evdw@iprimus.
<mailto:evdw%40iprimus.com.au> com.au>
Subject: RE: [FT817] Power Seting?????
To: FT817@yahoogroups. <mailto:FT817%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:28 PM



Hi Dan,

if you are on Batteries or your supply is below about 11V or so, then the
LIII will blink when you are on 5w but if you are on a power supply with
more than the critical voltage then the Icon will be switched off at 5W LIII
on indicated 2.5W.

Look back through the archives, this one is discussed regularly.

73....Eric VK2VE.

>-- Original Message --
>To: FT817@yahoogroups. com
>From: nitevande@yahoo. com
>Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:17:02 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: [FT817] Power Seting?????
>Reply-To: FT817@yahoogroups. com
>
>
>Boy I sure do HOPE i am doing somthing?Wrong? ?? When i set the power to
5
>Watts i get The L-Icon with 3 bars, BUT Thay do NOT BLINK??? So am i at
just
>at 2.5 Watts Or 5? Its kinda hard to tell the power output my big MFJ
roller
>inductor tuners meter-But on SSB Phone its looks like the meter is peaking
>at about 21/2 Watts-OH NO hope Nothings Wrong ANY HELP PLEASE!!!!?
Dan-KC9IGD
>
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>
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Depends up0on wavelength and your ground plane. A simple way to do it is to feed
the whip into the center of teh coax connector on the tuner and attach an
artificial ground (MFJ 931 for example) to the case of the tuner.  Lead from the
931 should be < 1/4 lambda. I have worked over a thousand miles on 40m CW using
just 5 W with a 6-foot whip and the 931 with about 10-feet of hookup wire.
73 de Barry W4WB

--- In FT817@yahoogroups.com, Ted Wager <ted@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone tell me if the Z11pro will tune a 20ft whip or if not what sort
> of balun will allow it to tune
> it ?
>
> --
> Regards
>  Ted Wager
>   High Peak UK
>

Progress Report.

Thanks to all for their suggestions.  I am taking my findings a step
further by contacting a local amateur to confirm my findings: trying
the little rig to see that it is indeed putting out only flea-power and
not its claimed 2.5/5 watts!   Also to eliminate the possibility of
'operator error'.

next step will be to run-down a techie who would be prepared to work on
the beast.  I have had one contact ... but have not been able to follow
that up.

Will keep you all posted ... and thanks for all your help.

73

Richard

--
Irena and Richard Jenkins
Canberra,  AU
'linux on a Mac: delightful'
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Just a progress report.  The radio was put on a test rig with 13.8
volt supply, dummy load and test gear. It was keyed up on both AM and
lsb on a 40 metre frequency. Power consumption was down ... and output
was put at a varying 130 milliwatts.  Output was not fixed ... and my
friend agreed with me that it could have an oscillation in/around the
pa stage. Seems we do need to parcel it up and send to the Australian
Yaesu agents. What a drag! It's in excellent condition but it just
doesn't work!!

Richard
VK1RJ

--
Irena and Richard Jenkins
Canberra,  AU
'linux on a Mac: delightful'
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Anyone tell me if the Z11pro will tune a 20ft whip or if not what sort
of balun will allow it to tune
it ?

--
Regards
  Ted Wager
   High Peak UK

I use HRD for the K2 and others. I have also tried fat cat. I have others but
will have to look to see what all I have. It works just fine. My netbook has the
6 cell batt and usually will go 5 hours easy! I also use the program software
for them all too, FTbasic. I have tried to sit here and program them by hand and
gave up. Its easier to just plug the cable in and run it in. Even if I find a
mistake, which I do often do, I just correct it and run it into the radio again.
I have all the cables for the radios I have and the USB to serial adapter. Its
great to have that ability. My older radios were a pain! Amie N9OXO

--- In FT817@yahoogroups.com, "ernestgregoire777" <aa1ik@...> wrote:
>
> Amie N9OXO, and the Group,
>
> What are you using for rig control software?
>
> Is anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe with the note book?
>
> I get only 2 hours of battery time with my laptop.
>
> I am especially interested in PSK and CW,
>
> Tnx
>
> de AA1IK/P
>
> Ernest Gregoire
>
> Geezer in the Park
>

So Eric when i set it for (no icon showing) at 13.8 volts this means its set at
5Watts?

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, evdw@... <evdw@...> wrote:


From: evdw@... <evdw@...>
Subject: RE: [FT817] Power Seting?????
To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:28 PM


Ā 



Hi Dan,

if you are on Batteries or your supply is below about 11V or so, then the
LIII will blink when you are on 5w but if you are on a power supply with
more than the critical voltage then the Icon will be switched off at 5W LIII
on indicated 2.5W.

Look back through the archives, this one is discussed regularly.

73....Eric VK2VE.

>-- Original Message --
>To: FT817@yahoogroups. com
>From: nitevande@yahoo. com
>Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:17:02 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: [FT817] Power Seting?????
>Reply-To: FT817@yahoogroups. com
>
>
>Boy I sure do HOPE i am doing somthing?Wrong? ?? When i set the power to
5
>Watts i get The L-Icon with 3 bars, BUT Thay do NOT BLINK??? So am i at
just
>at 2.5 Watts Or 5? Its kinda hard to tell the power output my big MFJ roller
>inductor tuners meter-But on SSB Phone its looks like the meter is peaking
>at about 21/2 Watts-OH NO hope Nothings Wrong ANY HELP PLEASE!!!!? Dan-KC9IGD
>
>
>
>
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Hi Dan,

if you are on Batteries or your supply is below about 11V or so, then the
LIII will blink when you are on 5w but if you are on a power supply with
more than the critical voltage then the Icon will be switched off at 5W LIII
on indicated 2.5W.

Look back through the archives, this one is discussed regularly.

73....Eric VK2VE.


>-- Original Message --
>To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
>From: nitevande@...
>Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:17:02 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: [FT817] Power Seting?????
>Reply-To: FT817@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Boy I sure do HOPE i am doing somthing?Wrong??? When i set the power to
5
>Watts i get The L-Icon with 3 bars, BUT Thay do NOT BLINK??? So am i at
just
>at 2.5 Watts Or 5? Its kinda hard to tell the power output my big MFJ roller
>inductor tuners meter-But on SSB Phone its looks like the meter is peaking
>at about 21/2 Watts-OH NO hope Nothings Wrong ANY HELP PLEASE!!!!? Dan-KC9IGD
>
>
>
>
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Boy I sure do HOPE i am doing somthing Wrong??? When i set the power to 5 Watts
i get The L-Icon with 3 bars, BUT Thay do NOT BLINK??? So am i at just at 2.5
Watts Or 5? Its kinda hard to tell the power output my big MFJ roller inductor
tuners meter-But on SSB Phone its looks like the meter is peaking at about 21/2
Watts-OH NO hope Nothings Wrong ANY HELP PLEASE!!!!  Dan-KC9IGD




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