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#1595 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:39 am
Subject: Wednesday Night Class 12/16/09 Spiritual Alchemy 		wparrish75
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This Wednesday December 16 will be the the last of our Wednesday
night classes for 2009. Our first class of the new year will be on
Wednesday January 6.

This Wednesday we will be talking more about Spiritual Alchemy. I
have already presented material on the first 2 phases of alchemy,
Calcination and Dissolution. So far the personality has been char-
broiled and then dissolved into the waters of the subconscious.

The 3rd phase, that of Separation, begins the process of rebuiding
the personality. Here, the desired parts of personality are separated
from the undesirable parts by our faculties of reason and
discrimination.

Before we take an in-depth look at Separaration, I want to take a
closer look at transformation (change) itself. Alchemy is the science
of change. Change is a natural process that can consciously be
directed and accellerated. It is the physical-world agent of spiritual
growth. Yet many fear change. By the time we finish on Wednesday, I
hope to have shown that change can be viewed as an ally and a friend.

In our first class of the new year, we will continue with a look
at Separation.

Libby will continue with her series on Tarot Divination on the
2nd Wednesday of the new year.

L.V.X.,
Walter

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#1594 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 5:59 pm
Subject: Reminder - Holiday Celebration on Wednesday Dec 9 		wparrish75
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This is just to remind folks that we are having a holiday celebration
Wednesday night at Positive Touch from 7:30-9:30pm.

We are having a short meditation followed by a talk on the Solar
Christmas. Food and beverages will be available afterwards.

If you have not already contacted Katya or myself about bringing
something for the spread, please do so. There are a few items left
that need to be covered, such as bread for small sanwiches, mustard,
mayonaise, and side dishes.

See you there!
Walter

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#1593 From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		trueshekinah
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Well....if you want to be sexist about it, I could have said when it comes to channeling, it does seem that some women who claim to be channelers conveniently use the excuse of their supposed chanelling "gifts" or "powers" as a fraudulent and likely self serving way to get their egoic point across to others and/or as a cheap means to wield fake power over gullible others.  Also, there are those, and I see you are one advertising online, who charge a fee for service for "casting spells" and "chanelling."  Humbug.  If questioning or discouraging charlatanism  is what you perceive as tearing down, so be it. 
The serious occult student is wise to question self claimed practitioners of the art and even bonafide lodge members of various orders if need be---not to accept or believe every claim thrown out there. 
 
Do you percieve gossip as a form of tearing down?  Do you percieve unquestioningly believing gossip as a negative action?  Do you perceive placing judgment on the gossipee as a negative action?  Something to think about---maybe you can channel some positive feedback for us about the preceding three questions.  IMO, gossip is character assasination...and when you do it,listen to it, or feed into it, you are gossiping.
 
Regarding the higher self issue, I don't know too many mystics, initiates, occultists who have completely bypassed their Higher Self to attain enlightenment---and that wasn't the point of the post in the first place.
 
True
 

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@...> wrote:

From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@...>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 7:32 AM

 
Hello,

I apologize for running off from the discussion, I had a trip out of town.

What you state is true. That is often what is said about channelling especially when it comes from a woman and it's a way to disregard anything said as inconsequential and call it ranting. I see this often in Estoteric groups. Men do tend at this time to be more intellectual, and I am not stating anything you don't already know. So be it, it is a man's world and the Shekinah energies and abilities are still being developed and accepted in their full right.

I did want to address the following...

Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other." According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.

With regard to skipping this part of development and heading straight toward authentic Godliness. The Christian mystic in his desire to meld with "Abba", the All, strives for this. He skips developing his own Higher Self and each portion of his ego and goes straight for Union. For this reason each time he falls he must go back to the blood of the Christ as priest for forgiveness and repentance. And "fall" he does over and over having not developed all the rungs in the ladder of his own constitution. Beguilement or not, it is wiser to develop the Higher Self. Each have attained "bonafide liberation" as you would call it and there is plenty of historical documentation of many Christian Mystics who had attained "authentic Godliness" as you would call it again.

This is just another way to look at it. The hope is that it uplifts those who are striving, not tear down. This is the test of whether we are truely seeking bonafide liberation.

blessings,

Kathie

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
>
>   A quick word on channelling. ....believing you are chanelling messages from higher entities leaves a lot of room for all kinds of silly notions and can easily venture into the crackpot's realm of prophecy for someone else.   Â Thanksgiving wishes to you also, dear.
>  
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@.. .> wrote:
>
>
> From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@.. .>
> Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 7:51 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Ah well, I was channelling my Higher Self perhaps? At any rate, there was a message for you. It comes and goes these days and is a bit disconcerting for me. :-) I enjoy picking apart details as much as the next person. lol
>
> I am off for the Holiday's and about to leave out of town. Thanksgiving wishes to you Dear.
>
> namaste,
>
> Kathie
>
> --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kathie,
> >  
> > What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self and the triads and sephira? 
> >  
> > My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the truth.  Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical process step by step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical discourse or a fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a letter of the Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in that light, yes, I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does bring benefit. 
> >  
> >  
> > True
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: K <kihara_w@ .>
> > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day. Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent? If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment. That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
> >  
> > namaste,
> >  
> > Wren
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> >  
> > "Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Walter,
> >  
> > Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking Â is that the Higher Self tries to replace the King--making  higher self just another creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
> >  
> > Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
> >  
> > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of being. 
> >  
> > Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that there are connections and congruencies  with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
> >  
> > True
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
> > Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
> > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
> > invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.
> >
> > The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
> > from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
> > was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
> > the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.
> >
> > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
> > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
> > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
> > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
> > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
> > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
> > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
> > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> >
> > One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
> > prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
> > Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
> > one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
> > I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
> > as is the personality.
> >
> > Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
> > its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
> > ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
> > comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
> > part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
> > development is to balance our personality so that it will become
> > more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> > --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
> > >  
> > > Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
> > >  
> > > What do those of you in FLO think?
> > >  
> > > True
> >
>



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#1592 From: frank donaldson <homoeopathic_uk@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		homoeopathic_uk
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Obviously this thread must end.

--- On Sat, 5/12/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@...> wrote:

From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@...>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 5 December, 2009, 8:12

 
Hello,

I didn't think my statments were sexist but I will take what you are reflecting to heart and re-examine Lillith. :-)

As for the statement below, the wording is not fully understood. Terms like "failure" and "downward prolongation" and "authentic liberation" seem to have negative conotations, but perhaps that's not the intent but the vernacular of the path. If this is the case that needs to be reflected upon as well and where it originates.

There is nothing inherently wrong with asking questions, especially when choosing a path of aspiration.: -) After the choosing we are admonished to respect the God of others by whatever name it is called. We may think this only applies to distinct and separate paths, like fundamental Christianity and Paganism. But this also applies to the separate archetypes of Occultism, whether Grail, Egyptian, and/or The Tree of Life, etc. Ma'at is the archetype for the Higher-Self in the Golden Dawn. In what way does Ma'at fail? The whole point for the respect due is that we are all aspiring to the same goal. And this intent is spoken from the heart of the individual. In this regard it's my opinion that we would do well to be wholesome with the words used to describe the glyphs that others use for aspiration even within the Mysteries.

in light,

Kathie

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, frank donaldson <homoeopathic_ uk@...> wrote:
>
> Grief this has thrown up a can of worms.
> The personality is a downward projection of the Higher Self, in order to learn and to fulfil, but usually fails, then after incarnation the essence of the experience is absorbed into the Higher Self in the process of evolution.  Before the next downward prolongation.
>  
> In channelling please don't be 'sexist', however what needs to be considered is the reality of channelling, is it from the Inner Planes, I am sure that you know what I mean, or from the personal 'Higher Self'.
>  
> Frank. 
>  
> --- On Sat, 5/12/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@.. .> wrote:
>
>
> From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@.. .>
> Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, 5 December, 2009, 5:32
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I apologize for running off from the discussion, I had a trip out of town.
>
> What you state is true. That is often what is said about channelling especially when it comes from a woman and it's a way to disregard anything said as inconsequential and call it ranting. I see this often in Estoteric groups. Men do tend at this time to be more intellectual, and I am not stating anything you don't already know. So be it, it is a man's world and the Shekinah energies and abilities are still being developed and accepted in their full right.
>
> I did want to address the following...
>
> Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
>
> With regard to skipping this part of development and heading straight toward authentic Godliness. The Christian mystic in his desire to meld with "Abba", the All, strives for this. He skips developing his own Higher Self and each portion of his ego and goes straight for Union. For this reason each time he falls he must go back to the blood of the Christ as priest for forgiveness and repentance. And "fall" he does over and over having not developed all the rungs in the ladder of his own constitution. Beguilement or not, it is wiser to develop the Higher Self. Each have attained "bonafide liberation" as you would call it and there is plenty of historical documentation of many Christian Mystics who had attained "authentic Godliness" as you would call it again.
>
> This is just another way to look at it. The hope is that it uplifts those who are striving, not tear down. This is the test of whether we are truely seeking bonafide liberation.
>
> blessings,
>
> Kathie
>
> --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >   A quick word on channelling. ....believing you are chanelling messages from higher entities leaves a lot of room for all kinds of silly notions and can easily venture into the crackpot's realm of prophecy for someone else.   Â Thanksgiving wishes to you also, dear.
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@ .>
> > Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 7:51 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah well, I was channelling my Higher Self perhaps? At any rate, there was a message for you. It comes and goes these days and is a bit disconcerting for me. :-) I enjoy picking apart details as much as the next person. lol
> >
> > I am off for the Holiday's and about to leave out of town. Thanksgiving wishes to you Dear.
> >
> > namaste,
> >
> > Kathie
> >
> > --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kathie,
> > >  
> > > What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self and the triads and sephira? 
> > >  
> > > My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the truth.  Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical process step by step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical discourse or a fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a letter of the Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in that light, yes, I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does bring benefit. 
> > >  
> > >  
> > > True
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: K <kihara_w@ .>
> > > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day. Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent? If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment. That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
> > >  
> > > namaste,
> > >  
> > > Wren
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > "Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Walter,
> > >  
> > > Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking Â is that the Higher Self tries to replace the King--making  higher self just another creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
> > >  
> > > Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
> > >  
> > > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of being. 
> > >  
> > > Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that there are connections and congruencies  with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
> > >  
> > > True
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
> > > Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
> > > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
> > > invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.
> > >
> > > The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
> > > from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
> > > was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
> > > the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.
> > >
> > > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
> > > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
> > > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
> > > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
> > > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
> > > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
> > > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
> > > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> > >
> > > One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
> > > prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
> > > Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
> > > one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
> > > I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
> > > as is the personality.
> > >
> > > Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
> > > its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
> > > ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
> > > comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
> > > part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
> > > development is to balance our personality so that it will become
> > > more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > > --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.ÃÆ'‚  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity.ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."ÃÆ'‚  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > What do those of you in FLO think?
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > True
> > >
> >
>


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#1591 From: "kwolodzko" <kihara_w@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		kwolodzko
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Hello,

I didn't think my statments were sexist but I will take what you are reflecting
to heart and re-examine Lillith. :-)

As for the statement below, the wording is not fully understood.  Terms like
"failure" and "downward prolongation" and "authentic liberation" seem to have
negative conotations, but perhaps that's not the intent but the vernacular of
the path. If this is the case that needs to be reflected upon as well and where
it originates.

There is nothing inherently wrong with asking questions, especially when
choosing a path of aspiration.:-) After the choosing we are admonished to
respect the God of others by whatever name it is called. We may think this only
applies to distinct and separate paths, like fundamental Christianity and
Paganism. But this also applies to the separate archetypes of Occultism, whether
Grail, Egyptian, and/or The Tree of Life, etc. Ma'at is the archetype for the
Higher-Self in the Golden Dawn. In what way does Ma'at fail? The whole point for
the respect due is that we are all aspiring to the same goal. And this intent is
spoken from the heart of the individual. In this regard it's my opinion that we
would do well to be wholesome with the words used to describe the glyphs that
others use for aspiration even within the Mysteries.

in light,

Kathie










--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com, frank donaldson
<homoeopathic_uk@...> wrote:
>
> Grief this has thrown up a can of worms.
> The personality is a downward projection of the Higher Self, in order to learn
and to fulfil, but usually fails, then after incarnation the essence of the
experience is absorbed into the Higher Self in the process of evolution. 
Before the next downward prolongation.
>  
> In channelling please don't be 'sexist', however what needs to be considered
is the reality of channelling, is it from the Inner Planes, I am sure that you
know what I mean, or from the personal 'Higher Self'.
>  
> Frank. 
>  
> --- On Sat, 5/12/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@...>
> Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 5 December, 2009, 5:32
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I apologize for running off from the discussion, I had a trip out of town.
>
> What you state is true. That is often what is said about channelling
especially when it comes from a woman and it's a way to disregard anything said
as inconsequential and call it ranting. I see this often in Estoteric groups.
Men do tend at this time to be more intellectual, and I am not stating anything
you don't already know. So be it, it is a man's world and the Shekinah energies
and abilities are still being developed and accepted in their full right.
>
> I did want to address the following...
>
> Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is
delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid
beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the
"Other."ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ According to my meager understanding of this view,
the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and
still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but
very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and
authentic Godliness.
>
> With regard to skipping this part of development and heading straight toward
authentic Godliness. The Christian mystic in his desire to meld with "Abba", the
All, strives for this. He skips developing his own Higher Self and each portion
of his ego and goes straight for Union. For this reason each time he falls he
must go back to the blood of the Christ as priest for forgiveness and
repentance. And "fall" he does over and over having not developed all the rungs
in the ladder of his own constitution. Beguilement or not, it is wiser to
develop the Higher Self. Each have attained "bonafide liberation" as you would
call it and there is plenty of historical documentation of many Christian
Mystics who had attained "authentic Godliness" as you would call it again.
>
> This is just another way to look at it. The hope is that it uplifts those who
are striving, not tear down. This is the test of whether we are truely seeking
bonafide liberation.
>
> blessings,
>
> Kathie
>
> --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@
...> wrote:
> >
> >   A quick word on channelling. ....believing you are chanelling messages
from higher entities leaves a lot of room for all kinds of silly notions and
can easily venture into the crackpot's realm of prophecy for someone
else.    Thanksgiving wishes to you also, dear.
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@ .>
> > Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 7:51 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah well, I was channelling my Higher Self perhaps? At any rate, there was a
message for you. It comes and goes these days and is a bit disconcerting for me.
:-) I enjoy picking apart details as much as the next person. lol
> >
> > I am off for the Holiday's and about to leave out of town. Thanksgiving
wishes to you Dear.
> >
> > namaste,
> >
> > Kathie
> >
> > --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@
...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kathie,
> > >  
> > > What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and
Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self
and the triads and sephira? 
> > >  
> > > My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the
truth.  Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical
process step by step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical
discourse or a fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a
letter of the Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in
that light, yes, I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does
bring benefit. 
> > >  
> > >  
> > > True
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: K <kihara_w@ .>
> > > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher
Self
> > > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our
hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day.
Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs
or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and
labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent?
If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment.
That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no
matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
> > >  
> > > namaste,
> > >  
> > > Wren
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > "Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher
Self
> > > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Walter,
> > >  
> > > Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with
the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking  is that the Higher
Self tries to replace the King--making  higher self just another
creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the
Higher Self.
> > >  
> > > Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king"
over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and
Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self? 
Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if
they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden
Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to
coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view,
as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
> > >  
> > > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated
understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder
if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such
anatomy of being. 
> > >  
> > > Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it
also correct that there are connections
and congruencies  with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well
as the Gnostics? 
> > >  
> > > True
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
> > > Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
> > > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
> > > invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.
> > >
> > > The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
> > > from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
> > > was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
> > > the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.
> > >
> > > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
> > > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
> > > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
> > > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
> > > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
> > > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
> > > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
> > > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> > >
> > > One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
> > > prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
> > > Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
> > > one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
> > > I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
> > > as is the personality.
> > >
> > > Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
> > > its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
> > > ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
> > > comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
> > > part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
> > > development is to balance our personality so that it will become
> > > more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > > --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah
<trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in
FLO.ÃÆ'‚  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of
Divinity.ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and
it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to
avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the
"Other."ÃÆ'‚  According to my meager understanding of this view,
the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and
still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but
very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and
authentic Godliness.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > What do those of you in FLO think?
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > True
> > >
> >
>

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#1590 From: "kwolodzko" <kihara_w@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: Aquarian cooperation 		kwolodzko
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We are living in the "The Aquarian age". This is a term we hear all too often. I
would like to share a different perspective I came across this week.

As we know is rests in the 11th House, the house of Friends and also the Great
Humanitarian and dispensator. This has of course both material as well as
transcendant energies at work. It also imbues the "Spirit of Cooperation" in
community, groups and families. One way to invite in the higher octave of
transcedent energies is for us is to be cooperative in the physical groups we
are members of. By our actions of helpfullness we are saying "yes" to these
energies in our development. It is true that actions speak louder than words to
our subconscious.

  This is also a "lighter" way to look at the word "service" which is a word used
in almost every group and religion. For example, when someone retires they say
"he gave 30 years of service". It's no wonder at times we look at this as word
as work but the essence behind it is cooperation for the benefit of All, the
"whole". (Not to say the "Great Work" isn't hard.)

With this in mind, if it is within your ability to assist and be helpful in your
group, in the Spirit of the Aquarian age say "yes".

namaste,

Kathie

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#1589 From: frank donaldson <homoeopathic_uk@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		homoeopathic_uk
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Grief this has thrown up a can of worms.
The personality is a downward projection of the Higher Self, in order to learn and to fulfil, but usually fails, then after incarnation the essence of the experience is absorbed into the Higher Self in the process of evolution.  Before the next downward prolongation.
 
In channelling please don't be 'sexist', however what needs to be considered is the reality of channelling, is it from the Inner Planes, I am sure that you know what I mean, or from the personal 'Higher Self'.
 
Frank. 
 
--- On Sat, 5/12/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@...> wrote:

From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@...>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 5 December, 2009, 5:32

 
Hello,

I apologize for running off from the discussion, I had a trip out of town.

What you state is true. That is often what is said about channelling especially when it comes from a woman and it's a way to disregard anything said as inconsequential and call it ranting. I see this often in Estoteric groups. Men do tend at this time to be more intellectual, and I am not stating anything you don't already know. So be it, it is a man's world and the Shekinah energies and abilities are still being developed and accepted in their full right.

I did want to address the following...

Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other." According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.

With regard to skipping this part of development and heading straight toward authentic Godliness. The Christian mystic in his desire to meld with "Abba", the All, strives for this. He skips developing his own Higher Self and each portion of his ego and goes straight for Union. For this reason each time he falls he must go back to the blood of the Christ as priest for forgiveness and repentance. And "fall" he does over and over having not developed all the rungs in the ladder of his own constitution. Beguilement or not, it is wiser to develop the Higher Self. Each have attained "bonafide liberation" as you would call it and there is plenty of historical documentation of many Christian Mystics who had attained "authentic Godliness" as you would call it again.

This is just another way to look at it. The hope is that it uplifts those who are striving, not tear down. This is the test of whether we are truely seeking bonafide liberation.

blessings,

Kathie

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
>
>   A quick word on channelling. ....believing you are chanelling messages from higher entities leaves a lot of room for all kinds of silly notions and can easily venture into the crackpot's realm of prophecy for someone else.   Â Thanksgiving wishes to you also, dear.
>  
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@.. .> wrote:
>
>
> From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@.. .>
> Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 7:51 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Ah well, I was channelling my Higher Self perhaps? At any rate, there was a message for you. It comes and goes these days and is a bit disconcerting for me. :-) I enjoy picking apart details as much as the next person. lol
>
> I am off for the Holiday's and about to leave out of town. Thanksgiving wishes to you Dear.
>
> namaste,
>
> Kathie
>
> --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kathie,
> >  
> > What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self and the triads and sephira? 
> >  
> > My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the truth.  Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical process step by step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical discourse or a fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a letter of the Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in that light, yes, I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does bring benefit. 
> >  
> >  
> > True
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: K <kihara_w@ .>
> > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day. Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent? If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment. That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
> >  
> > namaste,
> >  
> > Wren
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> >  
> > "Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Walter,
> >  
> > Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking Â is that the Higher Self tries to replace the King--making  higher self just another creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
> >  
> > Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
> >  
> > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of being. 
> >  
> > Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that there are connections and congruencies  with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
> >  
> > True
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
> > Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
> > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
> > invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.
> >
> > The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
> > from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
> > was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
> > the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.
> >
> > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
> > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
> > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
> > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
> > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
> > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
> > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
> > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> >
> > One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
> > prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
> > Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
> > one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
> > I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
> > as is the personality.
> >
> > Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
> > its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
> > ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
> > comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
> > part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
> > development is to balance our personality so that it will become
> > more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> > --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
> > >  
> > > Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
> > >  
> > > What do those of you in FLO think?
> > >  
> > > True
> >
>


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#1588 From: "kwolodzko" <kihara_w@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		kwolodzko
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Hello,

I apologize for running off from the discussion, I had a trip out of town.

What you state is true. That is often what is said about channelling especially
when it comes from a woman and it's a way to disregard anything said as
inconsequential and call it ranting. I see this often in Estoteric groups.  Men
do tend at this time to be more intellectual, and I am not stating anything you
don't already know. So be it, it is a man's world and the Shekinah energies and
abilities are still being developed and accepted in their full right.

I did want to address the following...

Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is
delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid
beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."ÂÂÂ
According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the
Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the
fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the
end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.

With regard to skipping this part of development and heading straight toward
authentic Godliness. The Christian mystic in his desire to meld with "Abba", the
All, strives for this. He skips developing his own Higher Self and each portion
of his ego and goes straight for Union. For this reason each time he falls he
must go back to the blood of the Christ as priest for forgiveness and
repentance. And "fall" he does over and over having not developed all the rungs
in the ladder of his own constitution. Beguilement or not, it is wiser to
develop the Higher Self. Each have attained "bonafide liberation" as you would
call it and there is plenty of historical documentation of many Christian
Mystics who had attained "authentic Godliness" as you would call it again.

This is just another way to look at it. The hope is that it uplifts those who
are striving, not tear down. This is the test of whether we are truely seeking
bonafide liberation.


blessings,

Kathie








--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
wrote:
>
>   A quick word on channelling.....believing you are chanelling messages from
higher entities leaves a lot of room for all kinds of silly notions and can
easily venture into the crackpot's realm of prophecy for someone else. 
  Thanksgiving wishes to you also, dear.
>  
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@...>
> Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 7:51 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Ah well, I was channelling my Higher Self perhaps? At any rate, there was a
message for you. It comes and goes these days and is a bit disconcerting for me.
:-) I enjoy picking apart details as much as the next person. lol
>
> I am off for the Holiday's and about to leave out of town. Thanksgiving wishes
to you Dear.
>
> namaste,
>
> Kathie
>
> --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@
...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kathie,
> >  
> > What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and
Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self
and the triads and sephira? 
> >  
> > My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the
truth.  Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical process
step by step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical discourse
or a fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a letter of the
Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in that light, yes,
I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does bring
benefit. 
> >  
> >  
> > True
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: K <kihara_w@ .>
> > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher
Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our
hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day.
Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs
or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and
labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent?
If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment.
That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no
matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
> >  
> > namaste,
> >  
> > Wren
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> >  
> > "Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher
Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Walter,
> >  
> > Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the
Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking  is that the Higher Self tries to
replace the King--making  higher self just another creature of the fall. 
Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
> >  
> > Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over
the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah,
while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm
not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to
know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description
of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the
microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand
it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
> >  
> > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated
understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if
the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy
of being. 
> >  
> > Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct
that there are connections and congruencies  with Blavatsky and other
Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
> >  
> > True
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
> > Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> > To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
> > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
> > invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.
> >
> > The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
> > from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
> > was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
> > the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.
> >
> > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
> > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
> > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
> > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
> > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
> > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
> > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
> > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> >
> > One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
> > prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
> > Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
> > one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
> > I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
> > as is the personality.
> >
> > Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
> > its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
> > ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
> > comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
> > part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
> > development is to balance our personality so that it will become
> > more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> > --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@
...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It
is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
> > >  
> > > Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and
it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to
avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the
"Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher
Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very
much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very
misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic
Godliness.
> > >  
> > > What do those of you in FLO think?
> > >  
> > > True
> >
>

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#1587 From: frank donaldson <homoeopathic_uk@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		homoeopathic_uk
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Hi True,
 
Thank you for your take-up on this.
I am only here as an interested party, for in the fullness of time words are like symbols that carry the concept, and often we do not have the evolvement or nomenclature or the absolute word in order to carry the 'true' meaning, however as ones understanding 'evolves' the inner concepts can enlisit a greater 'understanding'.
'I think' that the Fall still effective as group and individual Karma involved 'sin' against 'The Divine Plan' to a lesser or greater degree. 
It is also shown that some individuals have souls like pure coke (the type made from coal) and their soul intention is to suppress or to destroy.
Crowley mentions them so does Shakespeare.
 
However enough ranting for now.
 
Shalom and Sala-ama,
 
Frank. 

--- On Fri, 4/12/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...> wrote:

From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 5:14

 
Hi Frank,
 
I think your description does help.  And, it seems to affirm some of the points from the gnostic Rosicrucian  claim that the higher self knows you better than you know yourself and may mislead or be mistaken for the real deal;   yet, for liberation, there is an "other."
 
Also, not so sure every creature actually makes it far enough to evolve---according to the gnostic Rosicrucians, some come into existence as divine sparks while others are just life sparks.   It almost sounds like golems (life sparks) and live beings (divine sparks);  can't say I fully understand their concepts on the subject myself, but I do find it interesting and don't rule it out as having basis in fact.  Blavatsky, too,  has delinated variations in the human being and levels of soul (for those evolved enough to have a soul).  Then comes the question, is one born with a soul, does the soul develop from a spark-life or divine, or does initiatory practices pull light from the divine sparks to attempt to ensoul life sparks, etc.
 
As far as technical knowledge, I'm inclined to believe at a certain point in time, it is valuable and perhaps essential, to have knowledge of the technicalities of the architecture of the Universe.... beyond the spiritual pabulum. 
 
True


--- On Sun, 11/29/09, frank donaldson <homoeopathic_ uk@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: frank donaldson <homoeopathic_ uk@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 6:23 PM

 


>       
> May I just adjust the concept here, for each being is a
> Spiritual Being, from the  same source as the
> Great Being of our System, but of a much lesser stature.
>
> The Spirit is IMMORTAL over many eons.  Forwards and
> Backwards.
>
> All is evolution, and for this epoch a specialised lower
> aspect of the Spirit is developed which will return to the
> abstract when it's task is fulfilled.  This is
> known as the Individuality or Higher Self or the Soul and in
> the Hebrew the Roach.
>
> In it's devolving into denser and denser states, lower
> levels evolved.
> The Abstract Mind.
> The Concrete Mind.
> The Emotions - upper and lower as a Tone Scale.
> Then the
> Physical.        
> (Which are still evolving).
>
> The personality (mask or persona) that with which we
> perceive and show to the world,
> develops from birth over each life time, at the end of
> which, it is absorbed into the Higher Self as a learning
> lesson, in it's progress of understanding and
> evolvement. 
>  
> This is a personal interpretation
> and I do apologise if I offend any one. However these things
> are very abstract and the human mind neither has the
> faculties to comprehend or the words to describe.
>
> It is therefore considered to use as simple an example as
> possible, rather than getting too technical or complex.
>
> The Fall or insurrection in Heaven resulted in deviation
> and occlusion, so that the Being became at effect of
> it's own 'Sin'. Instead of evolution in
> perfection.  Hench in the Mysteries we seek
> Regeneration.           
>      
>
> Hope that this helps
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Frank. 
>
>
> > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be
> clearly delineated understanding of the anatomy of Being. -
> Thank you. -    I like that,
>  
> > Although FLO has some
> rootedness with Golden Dawn, 
> D.F., etc! 
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants
> with a variety
> > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit
> membership to
> > 
> >
> > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part
> of Self that
> > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the
> next. My
> > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no
> official teaching
> > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and
> its life
> > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after
> that
> > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is
> represented on
> the
> > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true
> self), the
> > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> >
> > >
> > Walter
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>


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#1586 From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		trueshekinah
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Hi Frank,
 
I think your description does help.  And, it seems to affirm some of the points from the gnostic Rosicrucian  claim that the higher self knows you better than you know yourself and may mislead or be mistaken for the real deal;   yet, for liberation, there is an "other."
 
Also, not so sure every creature actually makes it far enough to evolve---according to the gnostic Rosicrucians, some come into existence as divine sparks while others are just life sparks.   It almost sounds like golems (life sparks) and live beings (divine sparks);  can't say I fully understand their concepts on the subject myself, but I do find it interesting and don't rule it out as having basis in fact.  Blavatsky, too,  has delinated variations in the human being and levels of soul (for those evolved enough to have a soul).  Then comes the question, is one born with a soul, does the soul develop from a spark-life or divine, or does initiatory practices pull light from the divine sparks to attempt to ensoul life sparks, etc.
 
As far as technical knowledge, I'm inclined to believe at a certain point in time, it is valuable and perhaps essential, to have knowledge of the technicalities of the architecture of the Universe....beyond the spiritual pabulum. 
 
True


--- On Sun, 11/29/09, frank donaldson <homoeopathic_uk@...> wrote:

From: frank donaldson <homoeopathic_uk@...>
Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 6:23 PM

 


>       
> May I just adjust the concept here, for each being is a
> Spiritual Being, from the  same source as the
> Great Being of our System, but of a much lesser stature.
>
> The Spirit is IMMORTAL over many eons.  Forwards and
> Backwards.
>
> All is evolution, and for this epoch a specialised lower
> aspect of the Spirit is developed which will return to the
> abstract when it's task is fulfilled.  This is
> known as the Individuality or Higher Self or the Soul and in
> the Hebrew the Roach.
>
> In it's devolving into denser and denser states, lower
> levels evolved.
> The Abstract Mind.
> The Concrete Mind.
> The Emotions - upper and lower as a Tone Scale.
> Then the
> Physical.        
> (Which are still evolving).
>
> The personality (mask or persona) that with which we
> perceive and show to the world,
> develops from birth over each life time, at the end of
> which, it is absorbed into the Higher Self as a learning
> lesson, in it's progress of understanding and
> evolvement. 
>  
> This is a personal interpretation
> and I do apologise if I offend any one. However these things
> are very abstract and the human mind neither has the
> faculties to comprehend or the words to describe.
>
> It is therefore considered to use as simple an example as
> possible, rather than getting too technical or complex.
>
> The Fall or insurrection in Heaven resulted in deviation
> and occlusion, so that the Being became at effect of
> it's own 'Sin'. Instead of evolution in
> perfection.  Hench in the Mysteries we seek
> Regeneration.           
>      
>
> Hope that this helps
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Frank. 
>
>
> > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be
> clearly delineated understanding of the anatomy of Being. -
> Thank you. -    I like that,
>  
> > Although FLO has some
> rootedness with Golden Dawn, 
> D.F., etc! 
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants
> with a variety
> > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit
> membership to
> > 
> >
> > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part
> of Self that
> > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the
> next. My
> > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no
> official teaching
> > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and
> its life
> > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after
> that
> > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is
> represented on
> the
> > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true
> self), the
> > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> >
> > >
> > Walter
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>


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#1585 From: Summer Cartwright <summer.cartwright@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 4:40 pm
Subject: Tonight, last SAGE meeting: Buddhist Meditation from 5-7pm, Union 411 		summercartwr...
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Good Morning Fellow Seekers :)

Tonight will be our last SAGE meeting of the fall. Stay tuned for upcoming spring lectures (taking suggestions of topics and guest speakers now!)

Tonight, Buddhist Meditation from 5-7pm, Union 411

Tonight we will be meeting from 5-7 instead of our usual 7-9. As we will be combining classes of SAGE and the unt Buddhist Meditation club.
We have had great feedback on the meditation club leader's visits with us in the past. This is a perfect way to de-stress before deadweek and finals! :)

You don't have to know anything about meditation, just come with an open mind and ready to relax and de-stress :)

Tonight in Union 411. Pahtsapong will give us a short explanation of what will be done from 5-5:30 then the  meditation session will begin. It consists of 3 sections: body sensation meditation, walking zen meditation, and finally seated guided meditation.  We will sit in a half-lotus posture so a small pillow will be helpful for those who might have difficulty sitting in this posture.  But one is not needed. We hope to see you there! :)

--
Namaste and good day,
Summer Cartwright

"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances:
If there is any reaction, both are transformed."
- Carl Jung, Psychologist (1875-1961)

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#1584 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:16 pm
Subject: Wednesday Night 12/09/09 A Qabalistic Celebration of the Season 		wparrish75
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On Wednesday December 9 at Positive Touch from 7:30pm-9:30pm we will be
celebrating the upcoming holiday season with all of our friends from
the F.L.O., The Meet-Up Group, and the Wednesday Night Study Group.
Guests are very welcome if you would like to bring them.

A poem will be read and a talk about Solar Christmas will be given.
Following that, we will be treated to an assortment of holiday dishes
and treats.

If you would like to bring something, please respond here or you can
send an email to me at wlparrish@....

lvx,
Walter

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#1583 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:00 pm
Subject: Wednesday Night Class 12/02/09 Spiritual Alchemy 		wparrish75
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This Wednesday night at Positive Touch from 7:30-9:00pm we will be
looking at the alchemical stage of Dissolution. Following the char-
broiling of the personality in the previous stage of Calcination,
Dissolution is the disolving of the remaining bits of personality into
the "waters" of the subconscious mind. Now that the personality can
no longer supress them, long forgotten parts of our being are free to
emerge from the subconscious into our conscious awareness.

We will be looking at the processes of Dissolution and how they are
related to the Moon, to The High Priestess tarot key, to the 2nd stage
of spiritual unfoldment (Awareness), and to the Rosicrucian grade of
Theoricus.

A short review of alchemical terms and symbols will precede the new
material, so don't worry if you have missed some of the earlier classes
on Siritual Alchemy.

I hope to see you there!
Walter

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#1582 From: frank donaldson <homoeopathic_uk@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		homoeopathic_uk
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>       
> May I just adjust the concept here, for each being is a
> Spiritual Being, from the  same source as the
> Great Being of our System, but of a much lesser stature.
>
> The Spirit is IMMORTAL over many eons.  Forwards and
> Backwards.
>
> All is evolution, and for this epoch a specialised lower
> aspect of the Spirit is developed which will return to the
> abstract when it's task is fulfilled.  This is
> known as the Individuality or Higher Self or the Soul and in
> the Hebrew the Roach.
>
> In it's devolving into denser and denser states, lower
> levels evolved.
> The Abstract Mind.
> The Concrete Mind.
> The Emotions - upper and lower as a Tone Scale.
> Then the
> Physical.        
> (Which are still evolving).
>
> The personality (mask or persona) that with which we
> perceive and show to the world,
>  develops from birth over each life time, at the end of
> which, it is absorbed into the Higher Self as a learning
> lesson, in it's progress of understanding and
> evolvement. 
>  
> This is a personal interpretation
> and I do apologise if I offend any one. However these things
> are very abstract and the human mind neither has the
> faculties to comprehend or the words to describe.
>
> It is therefore considered to use as simple an example as
> possible, rather than getting too technical or complex.
>
> The Fall or insurrection in Heaven resulted in deviation
> and occlusion, so that the Being became at effect of
> it's own 'Sin'. Instead of evolution in
> perfection.  Hench in the Mysteries we seek
> Regeneration.           
>      
>
> Hope that this helps
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Frank. 
>
>
> > Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be
> clearly delineated understanding of the anatomy of Being. -
> Thank you. -    I like that,
>  
> > Although FLO has some
> rootedness with Golden Dawn, 
> D.F., etc! 
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants
> with a variety
> > of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit
> membership to
> > 
> >
> > What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part
> of Self that
> > is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the
> next. My
> > understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no
> official teaching
> > on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and
> its life
> > experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after
> that
> > incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is
> represented on
>  the
> > qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true
> self), the
> > sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
> >
> > >
> > Walter
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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#1581 From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:05 am
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		trueshekinah
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  A quick word on channelling.....believing you are chanelling messages from higher entities leaves a lot of room for all kinds of silly notions and can easily venture into the crackpot's realm of prophecy for someone else.    Thanksgiving wishes to you also, dear.
 


--- On Wed, 11/25/09, kwolodzko <kihara_w@...> wrote:

From: kwolodzko <kihara_w@...>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 7:51 PM

 
Ah well, I was channelling my Higher Self perhaps? At any rate, there was a message for you. It comes and goes these days and is a bit disconcerting for me. :-) I enjoy picking apart details as much as the next person. lol

I am off for the Holiday's and about to leave out of town. Thanksgiving wishes to you Dear.

namaste,

Kathie

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Kathie,
>  
> What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self and the triads and sephira? 
>  
> My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the truth.  Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical process step by step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical discourse or a fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a letter of the Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in that light, yes, I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does bring benefit. 
>  
>  
> True
>  
>  
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@.. .> wrote:
>
>
> From: K <kihara_w@.. .>
> Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day. Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent? If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment. That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
>  
> namaste,
>  
> Wren
>  
>  
>  
>
>
>  
> "Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Walter,
>  
> Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking Â is that the Higher Self tries to replace the King--making  higher self just another creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
>  
> Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
>  
> Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of being. 
>  
> Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that there are connections and congruencies  with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
>  
> True
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
> Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
>
>
>  
>
> Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
> of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
> invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.
>
> The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
> from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
> was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
> the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.
>
> What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
> is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
> understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
> on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
> experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
> incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
> qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
> sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
>
> One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
> prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
> Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
> one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
> I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
> as is the personality.
>
> Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
> its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
> ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
> comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
> part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
> development is to balance our personality so that it will become
> more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.
>
> Walter
>
> --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
> >  
> > Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
> >  
> > What do those of you in FLO think?
> >  
> > True
>



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#1580 From: "kwolodzko" <kihara_w@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:51 am
Subject: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		kwolodzko
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Ah well, I was channelling my Higher Self perhaps? At any rate, there was a
message for you.  It comes and goes these days and is a bit disconcerting for
me. :-) I enjoy picking apart details as much as the next person. lol

I am off for the Holiday's and about to leave out of town. Thanksgiving wishes
to you Dear.

namaste,

Kathie



--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Kathie,
>  
> What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and
Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self
and the triads and sephira? 
>  
> My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the truth. 
Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical process step by
step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical discourse or a
fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a letter of the
Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in that light, yes,
I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does bring benefit. 
>  
>  
> True
>  
>  
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: K <kihara_w@...>
> Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our hearts.
We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day. Sometimes to
our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs or constructs
are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and labels and glyphs,
but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent? If you have chosen
a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment. That is the whole
point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no matter what name we
call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
>  
> namaste,
>  
> Wren
>  
>  
>  
>
>
>  
> "Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Walter,
>  
> Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the
Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking  is that the Higher Self tries to
replace the King--making higher self just another creature of the fall. 
Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
>  
> Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over
the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah,
while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not
sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know
something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the
"eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of
the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher
Self....the not so nice guy.
>  
> Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated
understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the
Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of
being. 
>  
> Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that
there are connections and congruencies with Blavatsky and other Theosophists
as well as the Gnostics? 
>  
> True
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
> Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
> To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
>
>
>  
>
> Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
> of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
> invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.
>
> The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
> from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
> was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
> the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.
>
> What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
> is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
> understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
> on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
> experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
> incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
> qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
> sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.
>
> One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
> prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
> Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
> one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
> I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
> as is the personality.
>
> Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
> its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
> ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
> comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
> part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
> development is to balance our personality so that it will become
> more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.
>
> Walter
>
> --- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@
...> wrote:
> >
> > I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is
viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
> >  
> > Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it
is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to
avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the
"Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self
is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much
in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided
as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
> >  
> > What do those of you in FLO think?
> >  
> > True
>

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#1579 From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		trueshekinah
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Hi Kathie,
 
What's so different with your questions about the Mysteries and union and Cinderella and Snow White and my questions about the Mysteries and Higher Self and the triads and sephira? 
 
My questions come from a sincere desire to know and understand the truth.  Such picking apart you described is very much an analytical process step by step, whether it is thought provoking analysis of metaphysical discourse or a fairy tale....and analyses even going so far as to dissect a letter of the Hebrew alphabet to see more meaning in various context, and in that light, yes, I believe gaining in understanding and knowledge and truth does bring benefit. 
 
 
True
 
 


--- On Wed, 11/25/09, K <kihara_w@...> wrote:

From: K <kihara_w@...>
Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:59 AM

 
What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day. Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent? If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment. That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
 
namaste,
 
Wren
 
 
 


 
"Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM

 
Hi Walter,
 
Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking  is that the Higher Self tries to replace the King--making higher self just another creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
 
Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
 
Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of being. 
 
Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that there are connections and congruencies with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
 
True


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:

From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM

 
Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.

The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.

What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.

One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
as is the personality.

Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
development is to balance our personality so that it will become
more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.

Walter

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
>
> I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
>  
> Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
>  
> What do those of you in FLO think?
>  
> True





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#1578 From: K <kihara_w@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		kwolodzko
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
What is "true" is that we are aspiring. We can speak honestly from our hearts. We can discuss semantics and labels, and mental constructs all day. Sometimes to our own undoing causing seeds of doubt and confusion. These glyphs or constructs are aids, not the All of ALL. We can pick apart the aids and labels and glyphs, but in the end are we getting anywhere? What is your intent? If you have chosen a path, then excell in it and use it for your betterment. That is the whole point isn't it? The only seduction we have is ourselves no matter what name we call it. This is all in my personal opinion. 
 
namaste,
 
Wren
 
 
 


 
"Justice is the practice of virtue toward others" - Aristotle


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...> wrote:

From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Subject: Re: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:21 PM

 
Hi Walter,
 
Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking  is that the Higher Self tries to replace the King--making higher self just another creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
 
Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
 
Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of being. 
 
Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that there are connections and congruencies with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
 
True


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:

From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM

 
Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.

The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.

What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.

One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
as is the personality.

Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
development is to balance our personality so that it will become
more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.

Walter

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
>
> I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
>  
> Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
>  
> What do those of you in FLO think?
>  
> True




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#1577 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:29 am
Subject: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		wparrish75
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I don't have enough knowledge about any of the Gnostic Rosicrucian
groups or their views to comment intelligently on them. Its an
interesting idea but not one I am familiar with. My personal
relationship with my Higher Self has been a very positive and
beneficial one, so I personally can't relate to the concept you speak of. It may
be valid as someone's world view, but I do not
consider myself qualified to add anything of value to a discussion of
Gnostic Rosicrucian views. Perhaps someone else in this group has
something they would like to add.

In the cultural climate of late 19th century Europe and America,
a backlash against the industrial revolution and the materialism it
fostered led to a renaissance in spiritual enquiries. This spurred
the formation of several spiritual movements in the west, including
the Theosophical Society, the Golden Dawn, New Thought, Christian
Science, etc. The members were like minded people and likely held
just as many points in agreement as they had in disagreement. The
ancient philosphy of gnosis was one source of inspiration (among
many) that they drew on. But I cannot speak to any specific points
of connection they may have shared.

Walter

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Walter,
>  
> Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the
Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking  is that the Higher Self tries to
replace the King--making higher self just another creature of the fall. 
Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
>  
> Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over
the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah,
while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not
sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know
something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the
"eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of
the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher
Self....the not so nice guy.
>  
> Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated
understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the
Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of
being. 
>  
> Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that
there are connections and congruencies with Blavatsky and other Theosophists
as well as the Gnostics? 
>  
> True

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#1576 From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		trueshekinah
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Hi Walter,
 
Thanks for the feedback and clarification.  In my inquiries with the Gnostic-Rosicrucian view, the thinking  is that the Higher Self tries to replace the King--making higher self just another creature of the fall.  Hence, their warnings not to be seduced by the Higher Self.
 
Interesting, that you referenced the personality who tries to be "king" over the higher self.  Maybe they are referring to Kether, Chockmah, and Binah, while you are referring to the middle triad as Higher Self?  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a difference in viewpoint or semantics, or if they happen to know something beyond teachings of FLO and/or Golden Dawn.  Your description of the "eternal" part of being does seem to coincide with the microcosm/macrocosm of the Gnostic view---which in their view, as I understand it, contains the Higher Self....the not so nice guy.
 
Perhaps Frank is correct in that there needs to be clearly delinated understanding of the anatomy of being.  I like that, but even so, wonder if the Gnostic Rosicrucians aren't also onto something valid regarding such anatomy of being. 
 
Although FLO has some rootedness with Golden Dawn, isn't it also correct that there are connections and congruencies with Blavatsky and other Theosophists as well as the Gnostics? 
 
True


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@...> wrote:

From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@...>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:06 AM

 
Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.

The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.

What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.

One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
as is the personality.

Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
development is to balance our personality so that it will become
more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.

Walter

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@ ...> wrote:
>
> I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
>  
> Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
>  
> What do those of you in FLO think?
>  
> True



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#1575 From: John Crouch <fraterjohn@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:39 pm
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Nicely said. 

John

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On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:06 AM, "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...> wrote:

 

Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.

The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.

What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.

One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
as is the personality.

Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
development is to balance our personality so that it will become
more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.

Walter

--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...> wrote:
>
> I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
>  
> Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
>  
> What do those of you in FLO think?
>  
> True

=

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#1574 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		wparrish75
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Just to clarify, this Yahoo group has participants with a variety
of backgrounds, not just FLO. We do not limit membership to
invitation only, so some here are FLO, some are not.

The FLO does not come from the gnostic tradition, but has evolved
from the traditions of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which
was formed in Britain in the late 19th century. Its main focus was
the practice of theurgy and spiritual development.

What we call the Higher Self in the FLO is that part of Self that
is eternal and exists from one incarnation to the next. My
understanding of the Higher Self (The FLO has no official teaching
on this) is that the personality of an incarnation and its life
experiences are integrated into the Higher Self after that
incarnation is finished. The Higher Self is represented on the
qabalistic tree of life by the triad of the Ego (true self), the
sephira of Chesed, Geburrah, and Tiphareth.

One of the goals of spiritual development (again, my opinion)is to
prepare the personality for the "Knowledge and Conversation of the
Holy Guardian Angel". To put it another way, we strive to become
one with our Higher Self and allow it to express itself through us.
I believe the Higher Self is but one part of the whole individual,
as is the personality.

Is the higher self a "bad guy"? A personality intent on maintaining
its status as "King" might think so. The reality of creation is that
ultimately, All is One. Also, our being extends to levels beyond the
comprehension of our 5 physical senses. The personality is only one
part of a complex and glorius creation. The goal of spriritual
development is to balance our personality so that it will become
more accepting of the guidance of our Higher Self.

Walter


--- In FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
wrote:
>
> I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed
as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
>  
> Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is
delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid
beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other." 
According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the
Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the
fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the
end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
>  
> What do those of you in FLO think?
>  
> True

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#1573 From: frank donaldson <homoeopathic_uk@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		homoeopathic_uk
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This needs sorting out, surely it's a question of understanding the 'anatomy' of the Being.
Lets see what others understand by the Higher Self.

--- On Tue, 24/11/09, True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...> wrote:

From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 24 November, 2009, 7:28

 
I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
 
Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
 
What do those of you in FLO think?
 
True
 
 


--- On Mon, 11/23/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com> wrote:

From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@gmail. com>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas- StudyGroup] Wednesday Night Class 11/25/09 Divinatory Tarot
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGro up@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:16 PM

 
Hello, everyone

We ARE having class this Wednesday night November 25. Libby will be
continuing with her series on Divinatory Tarot. Class is 7:30-9:00pm
at Positive Touch. Bring your tarot cards if you have them.

Ihope to see you there!
Walter



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#1572 From: True Shekinah <trueshekinah@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: Question on FLO view of Higher Self 		trueshekinah
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I know the Higher Self is referenced a lot with those in FLO.  It is viewed as the highly sought after state of Divinity. 
 
Proponents of Gnosticism say the higher self is a bad guy, of sorts, and it is delusional to seek after the Higher Self, but rather, it is desirable to avoid beguilement by the Higher Self and to reach further towards the "Other."  According to my meager understanding of this view, the Higher Self is the Luciferic principle, very much an adversary to God, and still very much in the fallen state, full of puffed up ego, a lot of light, but very misguided as the end all or be all towards bonafide liberation and authentic Godliness.
 
What do those of you in FLO think?
 
True
 
 


--- On Mon, 11/23/09, wparrish75 <wlparrish@...> wrote:

From: wparrish75 <wlparrish@...>
Subject: [FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup] Wednesday Night Class 11/25/09 Divinatory Tarot
To: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:16 PM

 
Hello, everyone

We ARE having class this Wednesday night November 25. Libby will be
continuing with her series on Divinatory Tarot. Class is 7:30-9:00pm
at Positive Touch. Bring your tarot cards if you have them.

Ihope to see you there!
Walter



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#1571 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:16 pm
Subject: Wednesday Night Class 11/25/09 Divinatory Tarot 		wparrish75
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Hello, everyone

We ARE having class this Wednesday night November 25. Libby will be
continuing with her series on Divinatory Tarot. Class is 7:30-9:00pm
at Positive Touch. Bring your tarot cards if you have them.

Ihope to see you there!
Walter

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#1570 From: "wparrish75" <wlparrish@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:02 pm
Subject: Wednesday Night Class 11/18 Spiritual Alchemy 		wparrish75
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This Wednesday might from 7:30-9:00pm at Positive Touch we will be
looking at the process of Calcination, the first of 7 steps in
Spiritual Alchemy. Calcination is usually experienced as a slow attack
on the psyche over a period of time. This results in the collapse of
the personality's defense mechanisms, making the higher influnces of
spirit more accesible.

I will be sharing some of my own experiences with calcination, and I
would love it if some of you would be willing to share as well.

We plan to look at one of the seven classical stages of alchemy each
class. After that, we may cover some special topics in alchemy, if
there is interest in doing so.

I look forward to seeing you there!
Walter

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#1569 From: FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:07 pm
Subject: New poll for FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup 		FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup@yahoogroups.com
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
FLO-Dallas-StudyGroup group:

The Wednesday night study group is planning a quiet
celebration of the holiday season during one of the regularly
scheduled Wednesdays in December. If you would like to join
us for this celebration, please indicate your preference of
dates below.

   o Wednesday December 2     7:30-9:00pm
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Thanks!

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