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Gerald Bracey  was not well known outside  of education policy circles. But
I considered him a friend I could go to  check myself.  He was the Giant
among giants in the education policy field,  and unfortunately our country
lost this dear friend and giant on  Tuesday, September 20th.  I forward this
letter from Billee Bussard as a  tribute to Jerry.
Dave Miner



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Dear fellow journalists:

As a longtime journalist  myself, I understand well the pressures  the
industry faces in  trying to cover stories given time and resource
limitations.
And the  situation is worse today than anytime since I first began working
in
the  newspaper business in 1963.

No one likes critics of our  work, but unfortunately there are too few
critics of the terrible  job the profession has done over the last 40 years

covering  education issues. Gerald Bracey was one of the rare individuals
who
recognized when the news industry and its reporters had fallen victim to
special  interest propaganda and disinformation on education issues.  And
he did a
great  public service in calling journalists on the  carpet for falling to
do their  homework.

I speak of him in  the past tense because, as you may know by now, Bracey
passed away  suddenly, apparently on Sept. 20,  a short time after he
shared
an e-mail sent to all of you regarding a recent L.A. Times story by Jason
Song  and Jason Felch.

I was inspired to e-mail you after  reading that post a few moments ago to
provide some perspective on  what a great loss Bracey's voice is for this
country  and, more  importantly, for the future generations of  American
schoolchildren  and teachers.

I first encountered Bracey in 1992, when I was an  editorial page writer
for
The Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville.  I  was new to editorial writing
and was researching data for a piece  assigned to me.   This was in the
day
BEFORE the Internet.  I worked many uncompensated hours doing research on
education  issues  at the local library.  I somehow came across an
article
about "The Sandia Report," which questioned the conclusions  reached in
the
much publicized  A Nation At Risk.  That  Reagan administration  report
set the
stage for the launch of  the dramatic education reforms in  recent decades
and the relentless  public education bashing by both the media and  those
private sector  special interests who want  to turn education into a
commodity.
The brain trust at the Sandia National Laboratories who raised the   red
flag
abut the "facts and figures" in A Nation At Risk were inspired to  take  a
closer look at that report after reading an op-ed piece  Bracey had written
in
a Colorado newspaper (I believe it was Colorado)  when Bracey was an
education  researcher in Cherry Creek,  Colo.

Bracey's writings opened my innocent eyes wide.  When  government  and
think
tank  reports and polling data on  education issues began  flowing over my
desk, I viewed them with a  new perspective.  I began  noticing the
patterns
of  representation by the same interests  on the  boards and committees
that
were churning out these pieces that seemed more  intent on  discrediting
teachers and public schools than shedding light.   I  began understanding
how this
echo chamber trifecta influenced  public perception  and public policy. I
also began to understand how  our public officials and  elected
representatives
are so easily duped  by well-oiled and well-funded  propaganda
machines---not just by  lobbyists alone. I began understanding the
duplicity of our
industry  in spreading disinformation and misinformation,  especially on
education
issues.  And I began being ashamed to be part of  what had been  my dream
profession.

I shared many of my observations in a timely  manner with Bracey and  other
education researchers who did not sit  at the vortex of the propaganda
machine as I did  by working  for a very, very right-wing editorial page
that was
at the top of  the list of publications that could be counted on to
regurgitate  their information. I would soon learn about the ties to the
far-right
of the owner of my own newspaper and came to understand why the   well-paid
editor I worked for so readily plagiarized right-wing think  tank  pieces
and
talking points that arrived by mail. [The  editor  resigned  following  a
story I wrote three years  after I left the  paper that appeared in 2004 in
a
local alternative  weekly. It   documented the continuing plagiarism
problems
at  the Florida  Times-Union even after I warned the company about the
problem
when I  resigned. The editor also had a serious Internet  pornography
problem.]

Bracey also shed light about the  corporate forces that are setting the
agenda for  American  education. With all the recent Wall Street and
corporate
scandals  that plunged the nation into the financial mess we  now face, I
wonder how the main stream news media and the "professionals"  who  work in
it
can sit by so idly and let these same greed mongers  call  the shots for
our
schools.

If Bracey could not shake (or  shame)  the industry and education
reporters
out of   complacency with his well-researched facts and figures on  the
great  lies about public education and the REAL root of the failure
experienced
by a segment of our children in public schools, then I fear not only   for
the industry but our very democracy. All of  Gerald Bracey's  annual
Bracey
reports that appeared in Kappan magazine ought to be  required reading for
every education reporter and editorial page  writer.

Clearly, too many in our industry engage in, as Bracey aptly  summed it,
"faith-based journalism" in part because of limited time  and resources and

great deadline pressures.  The consolidation  of media in recent years in
the
hands of huge  right-leaning  corporate conglomerates has done little to
strengthen the backbone  of those who dare to call themselves journalists
and
guardians of  the people's right to know.

Bracey had the backbone and the  brains it takes to expose the enemies of
public education, an  institution that for all its imperfections has made
this
a  great  nation.  More of you need to read what he wrote, then look in the

mirror and make amends for those you have been aiding and abetting for too
many  years.

And those of you in Los Angeles, especially,  need to be sounding the
sirens about putting schools on a year-round  school calendar, which the
Obama
administration is pushing with  greater force than Bush presidents 1 &  2.

Begin by  reporting how much money consultants make who are  associated
with
the San Diego-based National Association FOR Year-Round  Education  and how
much money that organization has tapped through school   districts from
Title I
funds. If you need some help, I have a 40-foot  wall  of research that is
part of a book I had to shelve a few years  ago when my  husband, also a
longtime journalist, and my mother took  ill around the same  time.  Both
died in
recent months and I am  just now back to writing with  new resolve and
energy,
inspired by  Bracey's example and dedication to  setting the record
straight
on  education issues.

Thank you for your  time.

Sincerely,

Billee Bussard
retired journalist
16  Hopson Road
Jacksonville Beach, FL 32250
(904) 249-2468
editor,  _www.SummerMatters.com_ (http://www.SummerMatters.com)

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No.  A quorum is needed.  You CAN do a video or phone conference but you
need a physical quorum first.  (I am sure of this -- Attorney General
decision -- see http://florida-family.net/SAC/sunshine-opinion.htm
AGO 2001-66   09/19/2001

Yes, you can and some committees should reduce the overall number of SAC
members (for balance requirements or if quorums are an issue).  Your bylaws
will detail the process. Some bylaws require 30 days notice after issuing
proposed bylaw changes.  Other bylaws are shorter in time periods.  It is
whatever is good for your school.  It may be an issue you also need to look
at besides the overall number of SAC members.

Theresa

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Albanese [mailto:bettereducation@...]
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:12 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FL-SAC] Alternates for SAC members

Hi Everyone,

I recent question came up at our last SAC member involving the use of
alternates for SAC member who can't make it to a meeting. Our SAC is
wondering if an alternate can be assigned in case where a member
cannot make the meeting but is needed to establish a quorum. Is this
legal?

Another question was also raised about the number of SAC members in a
SAC. Some members think the SAC committee can change the by-laws to
lower the number of SAC members. Is this correct and if so what should
the process be to implement a change?

Any help would be appreciated.

Mark Albanese


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Hi Everyone,

I recent question came up at our last SAC member involving the use of
alternates for SAC member who can't make it to a meeting. Our SAC is
wondering if an alternate can be assigned in case where a member
cannot make the meeting but is needed to establish a quorum. Is this
legal?

Another question was also raised about the number of SAC members in a
SAC. Some members think the SAC committee can change the by-laws to
lower the number of SAC members. Is this correct and if so what should
the process be to implement a change?

Any help would be appreciated.

Mark Albanese

First off - outside of State mandated statutory requirements, nobody can
mandate policy, rules, or dictates for the SAC other than the SAC through
duly noted rules (such as State Statute or, more importantly By-Laws).
While your District may make recommendations (as in standardized By-Laws and
such), the bottom line is that, once formed, the SAC becomes a separate
entity, with defined requirements and objectives, and above all, very
defined rules that they must comply with (be it State statute or By-Laws).

If I understand your comment, you're saying one vote per child?  Per elected
member?  That is to say that if I had 5 kids in school x,y, z that I would
have 5 votes?  Bunk to that, I think.  State statute mandates the election
process that all schools will follow (teachers elect teachers, parents elect
parents, so on & so forth).  Once elected to the local SAC, each member has
one vote on whatever issue that comes before the assembly.  Repeat - one
each vote per member.  Check the text narrative contained in Florida Statute
1001.452  District and school advisory councils.

On the other hand, if your talking about duly elected 'student' members of
the SAC (optional for elementary and middle schools, mandatory for High
Schools), then yes, their votes (one each) counts just as much as any other
duly elected member.  Again - check out 1001.452).

Help?

Gerry Lowther
Bay County, Florida






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From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
chessplayer999
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:24 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FL-SAC] Parent elections - One vote per child




My school, not the SAC, recently changed the election procedures for SAC
members to "one vote per child." Previously, any parent or legal
guardian were allowed a vote. This seems contrary to the statute,
parents shall be elected by parents. I feel like half the parents at
our school have been disenfranchised. Am I right?







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Requests are made and handled at a properly noticed SAC meeting.  When the money
is being used for a program that should have measurable results, I have tried to
create a system for regular reporting to the SAC on whether the results are
being achieved.

--- In FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com, "solidarity1" <Solidarity1@...> wrote:
>
> SAC Vets,
>
> Could you please let me know how each of you manage the expenditure of SIP
funds (yes, I realize that they are slim or none depending on your School
District)?  I realize that the law states that those decisions are to be made
autonomously, and without override by the Principal.  However, I would be
interested to know how this is actually practiced by other SACs around the
state.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Erich Henegar
> Baypoint Elementary SAC chair
>

SACs are governed by Florida Sunshine Laws.  Any member of a Sunshine Law body
must vote on all matters that come before the body, with certain limited
exceptions.  Therefore, your student is a voting members.  You may increase the
employee membership if you are under the 51% requirement.

--- In FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com, "rountree_april" <rountree_april@...> wrote:
>
> Our school is a combined elementary and middle school, separated but on the
same site.  Our SAC has recently approved to have Student Council President,
Beta Club President and Vice (middle school) serve as SAC Members.  The question
has come up, do the student members get voting priveleges, and does this allow
us to increase school board employee membership in regards to the ratios
required?
>
> I would greatly appreciate info on how other school have handled similar
situations.
>
>
> Thank you!
>

My school, not the SAC, recently changed the election procedures for SAC
members to "one vote per child."  Previously, any parent or legal
guardian were allowed a vote.  This seems contrary to the statute,
parents shall be elected by parents.  I feel like half the parents at
our school have been disenfranchised.  Am I right?

As Gerry pointed out through ss 1001.452 - you can have Middle School
students on your SAC and as SAC members they have full voting rights.  There
is absolutely no language in the law that precludes them from voting and, in
fact, they would have to obey all "Sunshine" laws and have their votes open
to the public.  Increasing your SAC member numbers (non-district employed)
would naturally raise your school district employees #'s.  It is all in the
numbers -- they can only have a maximum number of 49%.
Theresa

-----Original Message-----
From: rountree_april [mailto:rountree_april@...]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FL-SAC] Student SAC Members

Our school is a combined elementary and middle school, separated but on the
same site.  Our SAC has recently approved to have Student Council President,
Beta Club President and Vice (middle school) serve as SAC Members.  The
question has come up, do the student members get voting priveleges, and does
this allow us to increase school board employee membership in regards to the
ratios required?

I would greatly appreciate info on how other school have handled similar
situations.


Thank you!



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This should still be current and addresses your question I believe . . .
it's an excerpt form FS 1001.452 . . . and your By-Laws typically should
reflect the same thing.  Gerry Lowther - Bay County



1001.452  District and school advisory councils.--



(1)  ESTABLISHMENT.--



(a)  The district school board shall establish an advisory council for each
school in the district and shall develop procedures for the election and
appointment of advisory council members. Each school advisory council shall
include in its name the words "school advisory council." The school advisory
council shall be the sole body responsible for final decision making at the
school relating to implementation of the provisions of ss. 1001.42(16) and
1008.345. A majority of the members of each school advisory council must be
persons who are not employed by the school. Each advisory council shall be
composed of the principal and an appropriately balanced number of teachers,
education support employees, students, parents, and other business and
community citizens who are representative of the ethnic, racial, and
economic community served by the school. Career center and high school
advisory councils shall include students, and middle and junior high school
advisory councils may include students. School advisory councils of career
centers and adult education centers are not required to include parents as
members. Council members representing teachers, education support employees,
students, and parents shall be elected by their respective peer groups at
the school in a fair and equitable manner as follows:



1.  Teachers shall be elected by teachers.



2.  Education support employees shall be elected by education support
employees.



3.  Students shall be elected by students.



4.  Parents shall be elected by parents.






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From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rountree_april
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:22 AM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FL-SAC] Student SAC Members




Our school is a combined elementary and middle school, separated but on the
same site. Our SAC has recently approved to have Student Council President,
Beta Club President and Vice (middle school) serve as SAC Members. The
question has come up, do the student members get voting priveleges, and does
this allow us to increase school board employee membership in regards to the
ratios required?

I would greatly appreciate info on how other school have handled similar
situations.

Thank you!







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Our school is a combined elementary and middle school, separated but on the same
site.  Our SAC has recently approved to have Student Council President, Beta
Club President and Vice (middle school) serve as SAC Members.  The question has
come up, do the student members get voting priveleges, and does this allow us to
increase school board employee membership in regards to the ratios required?

I would greatly appreciate info on how other school have handled similar
situations.


Thank you!

A state income tax can be instituted.  There are ways to do it if people
are willing.  The will is not there.

________________________________

From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jeanne
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:02 AM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement




State income tax in constitutionally prohibited

Jeanne Jusevic
----- Original Message -----
From: Merri Mann
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>  ;
FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:16 PM
Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

You know we wouldn't have to depend on the measly little amount of
school improvement funds if the state of Florida would institute a state
income tax, drop the sales tax totally, and act responsibly. We, the
citizens, have to stop believing we can get good education on the cheap.
It won't happen! Heresy, I know. But a little truth can't hurt! Merri
Mann

-----Original Message-----
From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>  on
behalf of Theresa McCormick
Sent: Sat 9/5/2009 8:24 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

Actually, the recognition funds (also called A+ funds) AND the school
improvement funds (SI funds, SAC funds), AND the Bright Futures ALL come
from the lottery funds. In fact, the order of preference for payout is
first for the Bright Futures and Recognition funds....then if there is
anything remaining, it goes for school improvement.

In preparing for my SAC basics workshop here in Pinellas (Sept 12), I
was
reviewing my links and info and found SAC FAQ paper from DOE Bureau of
School Improvement which recommends that SAC not sponsor fundraising
because
the funds need to be kept separate from SI funds. SI funds have strict
auditing procedures. However, the it recommendation also called for
checking with your individual districts.

With this said, this is a time for a partnership with PTA and nothing
stops
a SAC person from participating as a PTA member (most do -- we are all
workaholics)
Theresa

-----Original Message-----
From: Coral Antony [mailto:coral3@...
<mailto:coral3%40bellsouth.net> ]
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:44 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

Recognition funds are NOT the funds that are usually allocated to SACs
out of LOTTERY funds. Usually these funds are spent on teacher
bonuses, anyways, so this is a moot point as far as the SAC funding is
concerned. I'd imagine there'd be a huge opposition from part of
teachers used to getting recognition funds if SACS were to try to
allocate these for other purposes besides bonuses (in those schools
accustomed to getting these bonuses, that is)
Coral

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Drivinmom@...
<mailto:Drivinmom%40aol.com>  wrote:

> Yes I know we still need SAC I jsut don't understand why the
> recognition money is not per student?instead of per school. My
> daughter brought her FCAT up from a 4 to a 5 but since she attends
> at IB program at a D school she gets punished and there is nothing
> she can do. Even if she was not in IB she is zoned for thsi school.
> The kids at A schools who keep getting ones still get to share in
> the recognition money
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GERRY <gbl_spfld@...
<mailto:gbl_spfld%40bellsouth.net> >
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:52 pm
> Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note
> that with
> or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is
> still
> advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
> While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our
> kids is
> nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep,
> etc.) It
> still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.
>
> Gerry Lowther
> Bay County
>
> _____
>
> From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> Drivinmom@... <mailto:Drivinmom%40aol.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida-
<mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net
> >
> family.net>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
> Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this
> year the
> school recognition funding is $75 per student.
>
> The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
> anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money
> left.
>
> What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for
> change -- the
> school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that
> SI
> funding.
>
> Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in
> the
> amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding
> on
> their own SI funding?
>
> I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to
> reflect
> current law and other changes...
>
> Theresa
>
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State income tax in constitutionally prohibited

Jeanne Jusevic
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Merri Mann
   To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com ; FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:16 PM
   Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement


     You know we wouldn't have to depend on the measly little amount of school
improvement funds if the state of Florida would institute a state income tax,
drop the sales tax totally, and act responsibly. We, the citizens, have to stop
believing we can get good education on the cheap. It won't happen! Heresy, I
know. But a little truth can't hurt! Merri Mann

   -----Original Message-----
   From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Theresa McCormick
   Sent: Sat 9/5/2009 8:24 PM
   To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

   Actually, the recognition funds (also called A+ funds) AND the school
   improvement funds (SI funds, SAC funds), AND the Bright Futures ALL come
   from the lottery funds. In fact, the order of preference for payout is
   first for the Bright Futures and Recognition funds....then if there is
   anything remaining, it goes for school improvement.

   In preparing for my SAC basics workshop here in Pinellas (Sept 12), I was
   reviewing my links and info and found SAC FAQ paper from DOE Bureau of
   School Improvement which recommends that SAC not sponsor fundraising because
   the funds need to be kept separate from SI funds. SI funds have strict
   auditing procedures. However, the it recommendation also called for
   checking with your individual districts.

   With this said, this is a time for a partnership with PTA and nothing stops
   a SAC person from participating as a PTA member (most do -- we are all
   workaholics)
   Theresa

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Coral Antony [mailto:coral3@...]
   Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:44 PM
   To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

   Recognition funds are NOT the funds that are usually allocated to SACs
   out of LOTTERY funds. Usually these funds are spent on teacher
   bonuses, anyways, so this is a moot point as far as the SAC funding is
   concerned. I'd imagine there'd be a huge opposition from part of
   teachers used to getting recognition funds if SACS were to try to
   allocate these for other purposes besides bonuses (in those schools
   accustomed to getting these bonuses, that is)
   Coral

   On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Drivinmom@... wrote:

   > Yes I know we still need SAC I jsut don't understand why the
   > recognition money is not per student?instead of per school. My
   > daughter brought her FCAT up from a 4 to a 5 but since she attends
   > at IB program at a D school she gets punished and there is nothing
   > she can do. Even if she was not in IB she is zoned for thsi school.
   > The kids at A schools who keep getting ones still get to share in
   > the recognition money
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: GERRY <gbl_spfld@...>
   > To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:52 pm
   > Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
   >
   > While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note
   > that with
   > or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is
   > still
   > advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
   > While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our
   > kids is
   > nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep,
   > etc.) It
   > still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.
   >
   > Gerry Lowther
   > Bay County
   >
   > _____
   >
   > From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On
   > Behalf Of
   > Drivinmom@...
   > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
   > To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
   > Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
   >
   > so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net
   > >
   > family.net>
   > To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
   > Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
   > Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
   >
   > I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this
   > year the
   > school recognition funding is $75 per student.
   >
   > The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
   > anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money
   > left.
   >
   > What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for
   > change -- the
   > school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that
   > SI
   > funding.
   >
   > Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in
   > the
   > amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding
   > on
   > their own SI funding?
   >
   > I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to
   > reflect
   > current law and other changes...
   >
   > Theresa
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >
   >

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You know we wouldn't have to depend on the measly little amount of school
improvement funds if the state of Florida would institute a state income tax,
drop the sales tax totally, and act responsibly.  We, the citizens, have to stop
believing we can get good education on the cheap.  It won't happen!  Heresy, I
know.  But a little truth can't hurt!  Merri Mann


-----Original Message-----
From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Theresa McCormick
Sent: Sat 9/5/2009 8:24 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

Actually, the recognition funds (also called A+ funds) AND the school
improvement funds (SI funds, SAC funds), AND the Bright Futures ALL come
from the lottery funds.  In fact, the order of preference for payout is
first for the Bright Futures and Recognition funds....then if there is
anything remaining, it goes for school improvement.

In preparing for my SAC basics workshop here in Pinellas (Sept 12), I was
reviewing my links and info and found SAC FAQ paper from DOE Bureau of
School Improvement which recommends that SAC not sponsor fundraising because
the funds need to be kept separate from SI funds.  SI funds have strict
auditing procedures.  However, the it recommendation also called for
checking with your individual districts.

With this said, this is a time for a partnership with PTA and nothing stops
a SAC person from participating as a PTA member (most do -- we are all
workaholics)
Theresa



-----Original Message-----
From: Coral Antony [mailto:coral3@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:44 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

Recognition funds are NOT the funds that are usually allocated to SACs
out of LOTTERY funds. Usually these funds are spent on teacher
bonuses, anyways, so this is a moot point as far as the SAC funding is
concerned. I'd imagine there'd be a huge opposition from part of
teachers used to getting recognition funds if SACS were to try to
allocate these for other purposes besides bonuses (in those schools
accustomed to getting these bonuses, that is)
Coral

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Drivinmom@... wrote:

> Yes I know we still need SAC I jsut don't understand why the
> recognition money is not per student?instead of per school. My
> daughter brought her FCAT up from a 4 to a 5 but since she attends
> at IB program at a D school she gets punished and there is nothing
> she can do. Even if she was not in IB she is zoned for thsi school.
> The kids at A schools who keep getting ones still get to share in
> the recognition money
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GERRY <gbl_spfld@...>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:52 pm
> Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note
> that with
> or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is
> still
> advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
> While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our
> kids is
> nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep,
> etc.) It
> still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.
>
> Gerry Lowther
> Bay County
>
> _____
>
> From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Drivinmom@...
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net
> >
> family.net>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
> Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this
> year the
> school recognition funding is $75 per student.
>
> The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
> anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money
> left.
>
> What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for
> change -- the
> school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that
> SI
> funding.
>
> Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in
> the
> amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding
> on
> their own SI funding?
>
> I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to
> reflect
> current law and other changes...
>
> Theresa
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Florida Association of School Advisory Councils (FL-SAC)

   Subscribe:    FL-SAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com (SAC issues only)
   Unsubscribe:  FL-SAC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
   Questions:    president@... &amp;quot;Dwayne Mundy&amp;quot;
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Actually, the recognition funds (also called A+ funds) AND the school
improvement funds (SI funds, SAC funds), AND the Bright Futures ALL come
from the lottery funds.  In fact, the order of preference for payout is
first for the Bright Futures and Recognition funds....then if there is
anything remaining, it goes for school improvement.

In preparing for my SAC basics workshop here in Pinellas (Sept 12), I was
reviewing my links and info and found SAC FAQ paper from DOE Bureau of
School Improvement which recommends that SAC not sponsor fundraising because
the funds need to be kept separate from SI funds.  SI funds have strict
auditing procedures.  However, the it recommendation also called for
checking with your individual districts.

With this said, this is a time for a partnership with PTA and nothing stops
a SAC person from participating as a PTA member (most do -- we are all
workaholics)
Theresa



-----Original Message-----
From: Coral Antony [mailto:coral3@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:44 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

Recognition funds are NOT the funds that are usually allocated to SACs
out of LOTTERY funds. Usually these funds are spent on teacher
bonuses, anyways, so this is a moot point as far as the SAC funding is
concerned. I'd imagine there'd be a huge opposition from part of
teachers used to getting recognition funds if SACS were to try to
allocate these for other purposes besides bonuses (in those schools
accustomed to getting these bonuses, that is)
Coral

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Drivinmom@... wrote:

> Yes I know we still need SAC I jsut don't understand why the
> recognition money is not per student?instead of per school. My
> daughter brought her FCAT up from a 4 to a 5 but since she attends
> at IB program at a D school she gets punished and there is nothing
> she can do. Even if she was not in IB she is zoned for thsi school.
> The kids at A schools who keep getting ones still get to share in
> the recognition money
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GERRY <gbl_spfld@...>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:52 pm
> Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note
> that with
> or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is
> still
> advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
> While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our
> kids is
> nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep,
> etc.) It
> still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.
>
> Gerry Lowther
> Bay County
>
> _____
>
> From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Drivinmom@...
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net
> >
> family.net>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
> Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this
> year the
> school recognition funding is $75 per student.
>
> The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
> anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money
> left.
>
> What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for
> change -- the
> school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that
> SI
> funding.
>
> Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in
> the
> amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding
> on
> their own SI funding?
>
> I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to
> reflect
> current law and other changes...
>
> Theresa
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Florida Association of School Advisory Councils (FL-SAC)

   Subscribe:    FL-SAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com (SAC issues only)
   Unsubscribe:  FL-SAC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
   Questions:    president@... &amp;quot;Dwayne Mundy&amp;quot;
   http://fl-sac.org   (web site of FL-SAC)
   http://list.fl-sac.org (change your email settings)
   http://issues.fl-sac.org (general education discussion)Yahoo! Groups Links

Recognition funds are NOT the funds that are usually allocated to SACs
out of LOTTERY funds. Usually these funds are spent on teacher
bonuses, anyways, so this is a moot point as far as the SAC funding is
concerned. I'd imagine there'd be a huge opposition from part of
teachers used to getting recognition funds if SACS were to try to
allocate these for other purposes besides bonuses (in those schools
accustomed to getting these bonuses, that is)
Coral

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Drivinmom@... wrote:

> Yes I know we still need SAC I jsut don't understand why the
> recognition money is not per student?instead of per school. My
> daughter brought her FCAT up from a 4 to a 5 but since she attends
> at IB program at a D school she gets punished and there is nothing
> she can do. Even if she was not in IB she is zoned for thsi school.
> The kids at A schools who keep getting ones still get to share in
> the recognition money
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GERRY <gbl_spfld@...>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:52 pm
> Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note
> that with
> or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is
> still
> advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
> While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our
> kids is
> nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep,
> etc.) It
> still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.
>
> Gerry Lowther
> Bay County
>
> _____
>
> From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Drivinmom@...
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net
> >
> family.net>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
> Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this
> year the
> school recognition funding is $75 per student.
>
> The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
> anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money
> left.
>
> What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for
> change -- the
> school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that
> SI
> funding.
>
> Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in
> the
> amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding
> on
> their own SI funding?
>
> I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to
> reflect
> current law and other changes...
>
> Theresa
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Providing suggestions for fundraisers or getting potential donors in
contact with the principal are worthwhile activities for SACS. Based
on the objectives delineated in the School Improvement Plan, SAC
members could try to find appropriate organizations and/or individuals
who could help meet those objectives. Donations do not need to be cash
donations: in kind donations (dental services for Headstart students,
additional classroom volunteers to help teachers with paperwork and
photocopying, supervision of students during lunch, bake sales,
organization of carnivals and the like) are usually PTA functions, but
nothing prevents members of the SAC from engaging in these endeavors.
Coral

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:52 PM, GERRY wrote:

> While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note
> that with
> or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is
> still
> advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
> While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our
> kids is
> nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep,
> etc.) It
> still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.
>
> Gerry Lowther
> Bay County
>
> _____
>
> From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Drivinmom@...
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net
> >
> family.net>
> To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
> Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement
>
> I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this
> year the
> school recognition funding is $75 per student.
>
> The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
> anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money
> left.
>
> What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for
> change -- the
> school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that
> SI
> funding.
>
> Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in
> the
> amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding
> on
> their own SI funding?
>
> I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to
> reflect
> current law and other changes...
>
> Theresa
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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At our school - according to our By-Law's of course - requestors must fill
out a request form (which requires association with a particular SIP goal)
and submit it at a regularly scheduled meeting for approval.  Down and
dirty.  Bt taking care of this at a regular meeting it is also documented
via the meeting minutes as well.  If you have other than a unanimous vote,
then the yes and no votes must be individually noted in the minutes as well.


Bottom line is that - per at least our District (and State as well I
believe), the By-Laws must outline the fund request/expenditure process and
the appropriate form must be used.  No behind the scenes expenditures, no
one individual can override (I'm always amazed at the tales I hear about
Principals 'down South', we must be so blessed here in the Panhandle!), the
system works well for us.

Hoping that this was useful.

Gerry Lowther
SAC Member, Bay County



   _____

From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
solidarity1
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:21 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FL-SAC] New SAC chair - Answer a question for me?




SAC Vets,

Could you please let me know how each of you manage the expenditure of SIP
funds (yes, I realize that they are slim or none depending on your School
District)? I realize that the law states that those decisions are to be made
autonomously, and without override by the Principal. However, I would be
interested to know how this is actually practiced by other SACs around the
state.

Thanks in advance,

Erich Henegar
Baypoint Elementary SAC chair







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SAC Vets,

Could you please let me know how each of you manage the expenditure of SIP funds
(yes, I realize that they are slim or none depending on your School District)? 
I realize that the law states that those decisions are to be made autonomously,
and without override by the Principal.  However, I would be interested to know
how this is actually practiced by other SACs around the state.

Thanks in advance,

Erich Henegar
Baypoint Elementary SAC chair

Just lighthearted wording with panicking -- I know you are not.  I am
saddened by the priorities of law.  It isn't that they are "bad" -- they
just have so much to consider and really, most of them, have never heard of
SAC.  We can be so much more effective with just letting our legislators
know we know how hard of a job they have and that we do need them to
consider SAC as part of the solution for our children.    My kids have grown
up and I have grandkids in the education system -- we probably are the best
ones to make changes.  I just received a call today from a person that told
me the principal makes ALL the financial decision because of the dissention
that has occurred (SI funds and A+ funds)

PS -- WE did make a difference when they were considering a change to the
law a few months ago regarding district vs. school employee membership and
they listened!!!!
Theresa


-----Original Message-----
From: Drivinmom@... [mailto:Drivinmom@...]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:03 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

I am not panicking I will not be around next year my daughter will be a
senior and I am done with the politics of public school


-----Original Message-----
From: Theresa McCormick <theresa@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:46 pm
Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement






Contact your district first -- they may have a contingency plan.

Second, don't panic -- next year with come with another Appropriations Bill
-- use this time to contact representatives

Third -- don't panic! Initially for several years when SAC was first
developed we had no funds. I remember those days (no, I don't remember the
horse & buggy days!)

Forth, we do need SAC -- it is mandatory. Perhaps because there is no money
SAC will become what it was designed to be. Perhaps there will be less
struggle with the principals :-)

Good luck!
Theresa

-----Original Message-----
From: Drivinmom@... [mailto:Drivinmom@...]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then

-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI
funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the
amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on
their own SI funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect
current law and other changes...

Theresa

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well not so much at our school they went to 7 periods here but only extended the
day by 25 mons so each period is shorter and we advised against this to no
avail. I am not sure our school cares about what we think. And they do most of
teh SIP plan I guess that is incorrect? I will have to do more research.


-----Original Message-----
From: GERRY <gbl_spfld@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:56 pm
Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement






While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note that with
or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is still
advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our kids is
nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep, etc.) It
still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.

Gerry Lowther
Bay County

_____

From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Drivinmom@...
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then

-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net>
family.net>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI
funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the
amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on
their own SI funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect
current law and other changes...

Theresa

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I am not panicking I will not be around next year my daughter will be a senior
and I am done with the politics of public school


-----Original Message-----
From: Theresa McCormick <theresa@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:46 pm
Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement






Contact your district first -- they may have a contingency plan.

Second, don't panic -- next year with come with another Appropriations Bill
-- use this time to contact representatives

Third -- don't panic! Initially for several years when SAC was first
developed we had no funds. I remember those days (no, I don't remember the
horse & buggy days!)

Forth, we do need SAC -- it is mandatory. Perhaps because there is no money
SAC will become what it was designed to be. Perhaps there will be less
struggle with the principals :-)

Good luck!
Theresa

-----Original Message-----
From: Drivinmom@... [mailto:Drivinmom@...]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then

-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI
funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the
amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on
their own SI funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect
current law and other changes...

Theresa

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Yes I know we still need SAC I jsut don't understand why the recognition money
is not per student?instead of per school. My daughter brought her FCAT up from a
4 to a 5 but since she attends at IB program at a D school she gets punished and
there is nothing she can do. Even if she was not in IB she is zoned for thsi
school. The kids at A schools who keep getting ones still get to share in the
recognition money


-----Original Message-----
From: GERRY <gbl_spfld@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:52 pm
Subject: RE: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement






While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note that with
or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC. Part of our job is still
advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our kids is
nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep, etc.) It
still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.

Gerry Lowther
Bay County

_____

From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Drivinmom@...
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then

-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net>
family.net>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI
funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the
amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on
their own SI funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect
current law and other changes...

Theresa

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While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note that with
or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC.  Part of our job is still
advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our kids is
nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep, etc.)  It
still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.

Gerry Lowther
Bay County





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From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Drivinmom@...
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement




so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then

-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net>
family.net>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI
funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the
amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on
their own SI funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect
current law and other changes...

Theresa

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While I would hope that you're only being facetious, I must note that with
or without $$$$, there's always a need for SAC.  Part of our job is still
advising the Principal and providing support to the school as a whole.
While the $$$ and allocating it within the school to support our kids is
nice, we (here) spend much more time on the day to day (SIP prep, etc.)  It
still is a major input/oversight forum for parents.

Gerry Lowther
Bay County


   _____

From: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Drivinmom@...
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement




so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then

-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@florida- <mailto:theresa%40florida-family.net>
family.net>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups. <mailto:FL-SAC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI
funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the
amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on
their own SI funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect
current law and other changes...

Theresa

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Contact your district first -- they may have a contingency plan.

Second, don't panic -- next year with come with another Appropriations Bill
-- use this time to contact representatives

Third -- don't panic!  Initially for several years when SAC was first
developed we had no funds.  I remember those days (no, I don't remember the
horse & buggy days!)

Forth, we do need SAC -- it is mandatory.  Perhaps because there is no money
SAC will become what it was designed to be.  Perhaps there will be less
struggle with the principals :-)

Good luck!
Theresa


-----Original Message-----
From: Drivinmom@... [mailto:Drivinmom@...]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:22 PM
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement

so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then


-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement






I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if
anything is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI
funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the
amount of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on
their own SI funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect
current law and other changes...

Theresa








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so what do we need to do? there will be no need for SAC this year then


-----Original Message-----
From: theresa6mc <theresa@...>
To: FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: [FL-SAC] $0 allocated for school improvement






I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if anything
is remaining, $5 per student. However, there is no money left.

What do we do? We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the amount
of $5 per student. Are there other districts that are funding on their own SI
funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect current
law and other changes...

Theresa








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I just finished talking to my district liaison and found that this year the
school recognition funding is $75 per student.

The law changed in regards to School Improvement funds -- it states if anything
is remaining, $5 per student.  However, there is no money left.

What do we do?  We have to start contacting our legislators for change -- the
school recognition funds is draining the poor schools that NEED that SI funding.

Pinellas County will fund for this year, School Improvement funds in the amount
of $5 per student.  Are there other districts that are funding on their own SI
funding?

I just finished updating www.florida-family.net/SAC webpages to reflect current
law and other changes...

Theresa

Thanks Jeanne.
     May it be dead for a thousand  years.
Dave Miner


In a message dated 5/24/2009 7:28:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jeannejusevic@... writes:





Last year the SAC composition was changed to reflect a majority of parents
and community members and that those that serve as parents or community
members cannot work for the school district. That still stands. All bill filed
  challenging this died.

Jeanne
----- Original Message -----
From: _DWMINERESQ@..._ (mailto:DWMINERESQ@...)
To: _FL-SAC@...-_ (mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FL-SAC] Re: Current  Status of HB643 and SB

My understanding is that these proposals did not  become law. I would not
stake my life on this being the case, but if I had  to bet, I would say
that
is true. Does anyone know any  differently?
Dave Miner

In a message dated 5/23/2009 7:39:05 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
_ma.khademo@...._ (mailto:ma.khademo@...)   writes:

--- In __FL-SAC@yahoogroups_FL_ (mailto:_FL-SAC@...) -_
(mailto:_FL-SAC@...-_ (mailto:FL-SAC@yahoogroups.com) ) ,
"bsw2435" <bswallace@.bs> wrote:
>
> CS/HB 643 -  District and School Advisory Councils
> __http://tinyurl.http://tiny_ (http://tinyurl.http//tin_)
(_http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/c2z5ws) )
>  GENERAL BILL by PreK-12 Policy Committee and Jones (CO-SPONSORS) Kiar;
McBurney; Rogers; Schwartz; Soto; Williams, A.
> District and  School Advisory Councils: Provides that majority of members
of school  advisory council not be employed at school.
> Effective Date: July 1,  2009
>
> Last Event: Now in Policy Council on Wednesday, March  25, 2009 12:44 PM
>
>
>
> Senate 0398: Relating to  District and School Advisory Councils/Members
[SPSC]
> __http://tinyurl.http://tiny_ (http://tinyurl.http//tin_)
(_http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/d5b5k3) )
>  S398 GENERAL BILL by Sobel (Similar CS/H 0643) District and School
Advisory Councils/Members [SPSC]; Provides that a majority of the members
of a
school advisory council not be employed by the school. EFFECTIVE  DATE:
07/01/2009. 12/17/08 SENATE Filed 01/15/09 SENATE Referred to  Education
Pre-K -
12; Governmental Oversight and Accountability 03/03/09  SENATE Introduced,
referred to Education Pre-K - 12; Governmental  Oversight and
Accountability
-SJ 00041 04/02/09 SENATE On Committee  agenda-- Education Pre-K - 12,
04/07/09, 8:00 am, 301-S 04/07/09 SENATE  Favorable by Education Pre-K -
12; YEAS
7 NAYS 1 -SJ 00308; Now in  Governmental Oversight and Accountability -SJ
00308
>

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