Hello All!  I am including Jerry Abuan's writeup about the Silent Film
Costume Walkabout last Sunday!  Please don't be shy about sending in
your input and views about these Walkabouts at Copley Hall . . I do
forward them and appreciate them.  Happy Walkers mean more walkabouts at
classy places!!! Look forward to Jerry's photos of the walkabout and any
that you wonderful walkers would like to share!  Thank you all again!
Next Walkabout at Copley Hall:  Celtic Christmas on Saturday, December
22nd! Don't forget the Viennesse (and Steampunk) Masked Ball Costume
Walkabout on New Year's Day at Copley Hall - visit my website for more
details:  www.costumewalkabout.com <http://www.costumewalkabout.com/>
RSVPs are open for both!    Jerry Wrote:  The Silent Film Costume
Walkabout at Copley Hall on Sunday, December 2nd went smoothly. The
concertgoers were thrilled and surprised to see costumed people at this
event. I think it is a great idea, since it changes up what the Symphony
has done in the past. Tony and Daniel dressed up as Keystone cops and a
lot of the kids and adults alike got a kick out of that. We mingled
inside and outside of the hall lobby. We passed out flyers as people
came in as well. There were 3 films played with intermissions between
each one. The organist was great as always. We've seen him before at
Symphony Hall. All in all it was a great walkabout!


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Hi all!

I'm going to make some Wanderer characters from the game Journey. I want the
bands to light up around the bottom of the cape (the yellow parts). Is there
such a creature as LED ribbon (wider than EL wire)?

Here's a Wanderer:
http://origin.playstationlifestyle.net/assets/uploads/2012/04/Journey-Unnamed-Wa\
nderer-feature.jpg

I'd like the scarf to light up too but not sure how to get idividual squares to
light up. Ideas?

Thanks!
Sheree

Hi Sheree,


> I'm going to make some Wanderer characters from the game Journey. I want
> the bands to light up around the bottom of the cape (the yellow parts). (...)
> I'd like the scarf to light up too but not sure how to get idividual squares
> to light up. Ideas?


Yes. 

The unquestionable wisdom of Google, if asked for 'EL Foil' or 'EL Panel' as
well as 'EL Tape' should be the solution for both the bands and the scarf
squares ;-)

Then there's also this:

http://www.organicui.org/?page_id=67
website, which knows something about EL panels that are being *silk screened*
onto fabric - VERY interesting!

Last not least, and the probably most expensive route, would be to work with
fibre optic fabric, which is available from http://www.lumigram.com - that, of
course is the most expensive route; just thought I should mention it as well. 

Best,

Sabine

Holy amazing! I LOVE the electroluminescent panels!
 
Thank you for the links Sabine!
 
 
Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well
dance!


________________________________
From: Sabine Pothmann <naergilien@...>
To: "F-Costume@yahoogroups.com" <F-Costume@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Journey Wanderer

 
Hi Sheree,

> I'm going to make some Wanderer characters from the game Journey. I want
> the bands to light up around the bottom of the cape (the yellow parts). (...)
> I'd like the scarf to light up too but not sure how to get idividual squares
> to light up. Ideas?

Yes. 

The unquestionable wisdom of Google, if asked for 'EL Foil' or 'EL Panel' as
well as 'EL Tape' should be the solution for both the bands and the scarf
squares ;-)

Then there's also this:

http://www.organicui.org/?page_id=67
website, which knows something about EL panels that are being *silk screened*
onto fabric - VERY interesting!

Last not least, and the probably most expensive route, would be to work with
fibre optic fabric, which is available from http://www.lumigram.com - that, of
course is the most expensive route; just thought I should mention it as well. 

Best,

Sabine



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I have one more random question...

What is this fantastic looking Myth Masque?!? Can we little folk attend? I
promise I won't drool on the costumes.... much!

http://www.mythmasque.com/welcome.html

Thanks,
Sheree

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Different opinions are allowed.  This is not rocket science -- there can be more
than one right answer depending on the circumstances.

This list is for everyone from 8 to 80.  Please leave the swearing at home. 
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Please make sure your Subject is correct.  Change it as needed.

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A gentleman in another group I'm part of has a couple questions on Chicago
police uniforms of the "pulp era".

1) From what he's found, shoes and belts would be black leather.  Would any
other leather items (the specific one looks like an ammo bag -- the cop's
carrying a Tommy gun) also be black leather?

2) Did the CPD of that era have different colored insignia for different ranks? 
Many modern police departments will use silver for the rank and file, and gold
for higher ranks -- was this done in the 1920s?

Leah

There is a Crime museum in Chicago. That might be a great place to start
especially for pictures from the period. http://www.crimemuseum.org
 
Surprisingly the wikipedia page for the Chicago police department has a lot of
good insignia information (both current and historical).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Police_Department as well as a great
reference and link section.
 
I believe there is also a Mob museum in Las Vegas. Many gangsters came from the
Chicago area so the curator of the museum may be a great source.
 
Hope that helped a little,
Sheree
Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well
dance!


________________________________
From: antigone68104 <LLWatts@...>
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 7:22 AM
Subject: [F-Costume] 1920s-30s police uniforms

 
A gentleman in another group I'm part of has a couple questions on Chicago
police uniforms of the "pulp era".

1) From what he's found, shoes and belts would be black leather. Would any other
leather items (the specific one looks like an ammo bag -- the cop's carrying a
Tommy gun) also be black leather?

2) Did the CPD of that era have different colored insignia for different ranks?
Many modern police departments will use silver for the rank and file, and gold
for higher ranks -- was this done in the 1920s?

Leah


 

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Please forgive any duplication . . . I am sending this notice to several
groups and organizations.



THE SALUTE TO VIENNA – NEW YEAR'S DAY MASKED BALL COSTUME
WALKABOUT WAS SENSATIONAL!!!  I am sure that everyone has seen the
marvelous photo ops that were taken at the event.  What a great way to
start the 2013 Costume Walkabout Season!!!



Yes, 2012 was the year of the Costume Walkabout season!  Please check
the Costume Walkabout <http://www.costumewalkabout.com/>  website for
the upcoming events and RSVP deadlines.  It is highly suggested that you
join the Costume Walkabout Yahoo Group to keep up with news, events,
updates and all around chit-chat between the walkers about what
they're wearing, who is wearing what and go ahead and wear it!



The Costume Walkabout is expanding!  www.costumewalkabout.com
<http://www.costumewalkabout.com/>

With email address:  info@...
<mailto:info@...>

Always send your RSVPs for an event to:  RSVP@...
<mailto:RSVP@...>   and include the name of the event
you are RSVP'ing to attend. At all of my costume walkabouts, the
RSVPs require a contact individual's name and email and name of your
guest(s).  (Sometime later this year, I will be using an online service
to collect RSVP information.)

And don't forget our yahoogroup:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costume_walkabout/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costume_walkabout/>



Next – There are wonderful photos that have been posted about this
walkabout!!!!!!  I want to thank Jerry Abuan for being the "official
photographer" for all my Costume Walkabouts.  His website is stuffed
with absolutely wonderful photos http://jerryabuan. zenfolio. com
<http://jerryabuan.zenfolio.com/>  of previous walkabouts and other
events throughout San Diego and southern California.  In addition, I
wish to thank Debbie Boyd and several other walkers that contributed
their photo memories of this event!  (These photo links are on the
Costume Walkabout Yahoo group.)



The San Diego Symphony Marketing and Promotions Department was bubbling
over to bursting when they announced, that due to their social
promotions of the Symphony series which includes information and details
about the Costume Walkabout – they have successfully sold out on
several of their concerts.  They accredit this with the spectacular
costumes and wonderful atmosphere and ambiance that the walkers provide
and the interaction they genuinely enjoy with the Symphony concert
attendees!  I want again to add my personal thanks, that without such
wonderfully artistic and fun-to-walk-with walkers . . . my Costume
Walkabout would not be the "Class Act" that it is now known for.



Don't put your costumes and dress-up attire away just yet, we still
have the remainder of the San Diego Symphony 2012-2013 Series to walk as
well as the upcoming Del Mar Costume Walkabout
<http://www.calendarshows.com/>  (Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves) and, I am
told, we WILL have costume walkabouts at the Symphony's Summer Pops
events at the Embarcadero.  But more wonderful venues to walk are
definitely in our future, so if you hear/know of any venues, events,
organizations that may be interested in having a Costumed Walkabout.
Please drop me an email (or a Yahoogroup message) with as much
show/event information/contact(s) as you have.  I will make a call, pay
a visit and get it on!



In addition to "Getting all dressed up and having somewhere to
go". . . one of the objects of the walkabout is to expose local
Fandom groups, costume and play-related conventions/businesses and
upcoming events to potential new customers/members.  So, I wish to thank
the following groups/members for their wonderful participation in the
2012 Costume Walkabouts (if I miss any group . . . email me and I will
correct that):



The San Diego Costume Guild - www.sandiegocostumeguild.com
<http://www.sandiegocostumeguild.com/>

San Diego Vintage Dance Society - www.orgsites.com/ca/sdvdance/
<http://www.orgsites.com/ca/sdvdance/>

Gaslight Gathering – Southern California's First Dedicated
Victoriana and Steampunk Convention - www.gaslightgathering.org
<http://www.gaslightgathering.org/>

Waltz & Such – Vintage Social Dancing in San Diego –
www.waltznsuch.org <http://www.waltznsuch.org/>



Again, thank all of you for your participation!  Our next Costume
Walkabout is:



Thursday, January 31, 2013 at Copley Hall

THE MAGIC OF SHEHERAZADE - RSVP Closes 01/28/12

Concert starts at 7:30pm; Doors open at 7:00pm – (Walkers should
arrive 1 hour before doors open)

Mei-Ann is the Conductor; Hosted by Nuvi Mehta featuring the music of
Rimsky-Korsakov.

Themed attire:  The fashion, styles and social themes during the life of
Rimsky-Korsakov (1844-1908).  However, if there are those that wish to
dress in eastern attire, please do!  Just remember that this is an
evening event . . . it might be chilly!

Tickets are limited so RSVP early!



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I found this cute little article on the season 3 fashions of Downton Abbey.
Thought it might be of interest here.

http://fashionista.com/2013/01/welcome-back-downton-abbey-we-analyze-the-fashion\
-in-the-first-episode/

I LVOE how the fashions have changed over the seasons!

Sheree

This is an example of archeologists research that rather resembles the same
analysis costumers do in recreating clothing wether historical or from a
media source.  The video demostrates the entire process and is worth
watching, but it runs 17 minutes.
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For those that may not know, Costume Con 31 is in Denver this year May 17-21,
2013.

Attached is a link to the progress report that provides details. this is a great
opportunity to strut your new costumes, teach, be a vendor, or advertise your
business or organization! Check out www.cc31denver.com


 
It has just been emailed to all Attendees and Supporting memberships,
persons who have signed up for our mailing list, and everyone on the
Perpetual CC email list.  Paper copies will go out by mail to persons
who requested those on Monday.

http://cc31denver.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e618552d20e92f7e04e2525f4&id\
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Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but I digress. My
daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short waisted her waist is 38 ,hip 46.
She has very small width shoulders also to further complicate it.
I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown bodice.
None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage diminsions.
she is only 26 so she does not want to appear "frumpy old ladyish" but trying to
construct a fashionable,stable top is eluding me. We do "Court of Steam" at the
QueenMary SteamPunk Symposium once a yearand we need a Ball gown,I am trying to
utalize the "skirt,day jacket,matching ball gown bodice" technique for reasons
of fundage. I slapped together a quasi ball bodice  from her renfaire middle
class bodice.It was passsible,but not "pretty". We cannot get a "V'neck"to
work,the "girls" keep wanting to escape ,also the mass creates some meeting of
the waist and chest area. we tried yanking those bra straps up as high as we
could go.afraid a full corset will only make the girls oveflow the top. She
cannot tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area (Aspergers)
HELP!!!
much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......
melody

Hi Melody! A properly fitted corset is the key. If its made for her and cinched
right the girls shouldn't overflow the top. There is a Truly Victorian pattern
for a well endowed lady corset.

  I've had some success building a fitted (not tight) bodice using a pattern I
made off a store bought collared shirt that fit me well. You could search Good
Will for a shirt that fits perfect then pull it apart to make the pattern.

But in the end the best fit always comes from well fitting under garments.

Sheree

On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "Melody" <hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:

> Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but I digress.
My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short waisted her waist is 38 ,hip
46. She has very small width shoulders also to further complicate it.
> I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown bodice.
None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage diminsions.
> she is only 26 so she does not want to appear "frumpy old ladyish" but trying
to construct a fashionable,stable top is eluding me. We do "Court of Steam" at
the QueenMary SteamPunk Symposium once a yearand we need a Ball gown,I am trying
to utalize the "skirt,day jacket,matching ball gown bodice" technique for
reasons of fundage. I slapped together a quasi ball bodice from her renfaire
middle class bodice.It was passsible,but not "pretty". We cannot get a
"V'neck"to work,the "girls" keep wanting to escape ,also the mass creates some
meeting of the waist and chest area. we tried yanking those bra straps up as
high as we could go.afraid a full corset will only make the girls oveflow the
top. She cannot tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area
(Aspergers)
> HELP!!!
> much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......
> melody
>
>


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Princess line bodices can be adjusted for a very large bust more easily than
most other lines.  I'm trying to find something online for you, but this is
about the best I could find. 
http://www.threadsmagazine.com/item/24348/full-bust-fix  Lots of books have much
better fitting instructions.  Here are a couple:
 
http://www.amazon.com/Fit-Real-People-Clothes-Pattern/dp/0935278656/ref=sr_1_8?s\
=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358282462&sr=1-8&keywords=sewing+alterations
 
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Photo-Guide-Perfect-Fitting/dp/1589236084/ref=sr_\
1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358282462&sr=1-1&keywords=sewing+alterations


________________________________
From: Melody <hobbitmomof4@...>
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust

Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but I digress. My
daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short waisted her waist is 38 ,hip 46.
She has very small width shoulders also to further complicate it.
I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown bodice.
None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage diminsions.
she is only 26 so she does not want to appear "frumpy old ladyish" but trying to
construct a fashionable,stable top is eluding me. We do "Court of Steam" at the
QueenMary SteamPunk Symposium once a yearand we need a Ball gown,I am trying to
utalize the "skirt,day jacket,matching ball gown bodice" technique for reasons
of fundage. I slapped together a quasi ball bodice  from her renfaire middle
class bodice.It was passsible,but not "pretty". We cannot get a "V'neck"to
work,the "girls" keep wanting to escape ,also the mass creates some meeting of
the waist and chest area. we tried yanking those bra straps up as high as we
could go.afraid a full corset will only make the girls oveflow the top. She
cannot tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area (Aspergers)
HELP!!!
much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......
melody



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On 1/15/2013 12:01 PM, Melody wrote:
> Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but I
> digress. My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short waisted her
> waist is 38 ,hip 46. She has very small width shoulders also to
> further complicate it.
Given that she's VERY different from the patterns...  maybe you should
start with a duct tape pattern so you've got her shape, and then merge
it into a corset pattern.

You really do want to start w/ the corset.  Get it right, and she's got
the "foundations" for a number of outfits.  I'll second the Truly
Victorian patterns.  http://trulyvictorian.com/LM100.html  . Though it
sounds like you have some tweaking ahead anyway.

A corset pattern is not always just long bones up the front... you'll
make a good cup and the breasts will rest in the cup.  The outfits you
see w/ that weird shelf, or breasts up to their neck is ill-fitting
corsets or tight lacing.  You don't have to tight lace to wear a
corset.  You just pull it enough to get a rounder waist, and give the
breasts proper support.

OK... back to the t-shirt and duct tape....   It's wrapped a bit
different than the ren-fair patterning you may be used to.   Have her
wear a bra that puts the breasts where you want them, and a t-shirt that
is looser (or at least doesn't pull)... for the larger folks, that may
mean sacrificing a night shirt. ... or cutting the sides in advance and
then just taping the seams closed.

(If you search this list, you'll find more details on taping a pattern,
so here I'm just touching the mods from doing the famous ren-fair bodice
pattern.)

Tape the breast area first.  Use strips about 1 1/2 feet long max. Do
the cross-you-heart x taping first... then keep laying pieces down.  Pay
special attention to the cup shape under and over.  For taping the
stomach and back... go for smooth over the bulk, not exact shape.  You
can lay vertical pieces of tape down first to help.

When you're done, use a perminate market to mark center front, back and
sides.  Draw the waist line, your top of corset line, and under the bust
cup line.  Couldn't hurt to also draw in the neck for the bodice.

Carefully cut her out.

Things get a bit more complicated now because you want to do both corset
and bodice from this.   Look at ;your corset pattern for all the extra
seaming so you know where you're going to cut.  On the breast cups, you
may end up separating the cup into more triangles to to get shaping.
That's all OK.

Draw in your corset cut lines.  BEFORE YOU CUT... label EVERY PIECE,
including the cut away bits.  Label carefully unless  you like jig-saw
patterns since you'll lightly tape this back together to work on the
bodice as well.

With your pieces cut like the corset, you can see how you're going to
reshape the corset pieces.  You will be making them a bit narrower, but
remember the goal is stability, not tightness.  Breast cups won't change
in size.  And a think I discovered when working on someone largely
endowed... those w/ a lot in the front, have more muscle in the upper
back too.  So you'll be taking less off the top of the seams than the
bottom too.

When it's time to make the bodice...  remember, it's just a guide. By
this point... the underpinnings will be chemise, corset, corset cover
(and petticoats)... so your duct tape will be smaller than what you
need... but still it's a guide to shaping your pattern pieces.  Guess,
and then drape the muslin so you can make a real pattern.

Don't forget to label all your pattern pieces.   Also include a sheet w/
the date and her current measurements so that when you go back to this
pattern you know what you might need to be adjusting from.

-Cat-

Milady *needs* a corset!  Not a pseudo-corset that sort of maybe kind of almost
does it, a real corset that will confine what should be confined and support
what should be supported.  They come in many styles from under the bust to demi
to full cover to sweetheart.  Where do you live?  I may be able to direct your
path to a corset-fitter near you.


--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Melody <hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:

From: Melody <hobbitmomof4@...>
Subject: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:01 PM
















 









       Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but I
digress. My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short waisted her waist is
38 ,hip 46. She has very small width shoulders also to further complicate it.

I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown bodice.
None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage diminsions.

she is only 26 so she does not want to appear "frumpy old ladyish" but trying to
construct a fashionable,stable top is eluding me. We do "Court of Steam" at the
QueenMary SteamPunk Symposium once a yearand we need a Ball gown,I am trying to
utalize the "skirt,day jacket,matching ball gown bodice" technique for reasons
of fundage. I slapped together a quasi ball bodice  from her renfaire middle
class bodice.It was passsible,but not "pretty". We cannot get a "V'neck"to
work,the "girls" keep wanting to escape ,also the mass creates some meeting of
the waist and chest area. we tried yanking those bra straps up as high as we
could go.afraid a full corset will only make the girls oveflow the top. She
cannot tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area (Aspergers)

HELP!!!

much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......

melody



























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Hi Melody. If I read the end of your post correctly, you're saying a corset is
out of the question, right? Is there a way to make it more quasi Victorian and
add in more of the steam punk idea into the evening top?

On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "Melody" <hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:

> Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but I digress.
My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short waisted her waist is 38 ,hip
46. She has very small width shoulders also to further complicate it.
> I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown bodice.
None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage diminsions.
> she is only 26 so she does not want to appear "frumpy old ladyish" but trying
to construct a fashionable,stable top is eluding me. We do "Court of Steam" at
the QueenMary SteamPunk Symposium once a yearand we need a Ball gown,I am trying
to utalize the "skirt,day jacket,matching ball gown bodice" technique for
reasons of fundage. I slapped together a quasi ball bodice from her renfaire
middle class bodice.It was passsible,but not "pretty". We cannot get a
"V'neck"to work,the "girls" keep wanting to escape ,also the mass creates some
meeting of the waist and chest area. we tried yanking those bra straps up as
high as we could go.afraid a full corset will only make the girls oveflow the
top. She cannot tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area
(Aspergers)
> HELP!!!
> much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......
> melody
>
>


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As others are saying, you need to create the shape with undergarments
first. If she can't wear a corset, then you have to make it work with
what you have.

The Victorian era is a pretty big span of time. Is there a specific
era you're aiming for?

I think the 1830s are more youthful looking, less structured than,
say, the 80s. Lightweight, light colored fabrics and flounces will
look young and pretty. While you don't need a high neckline, it can
be to the collarbone or filled in with gauze — which will not be tight.

-Carol


> On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "Melody" <hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but
>> I digress. My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short
>> waisted her waist is 38 ,hip 46. She has very small width
>> shoulders also to further complicate it.
>> I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball
>> gown bodice. None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage
>> diminsions.
>> she is only 26 so she does not want to appear "frumpy old ladyish"
>> but trying to construct a fashionable, stable top is eluding me.
>> We do "Court of Steam" at the QueenMary SteamPunk Symposium once a
>> year and we need a Ball gown, I am trying to utalize the "skirt,
>> day jacket, matching ball gown bodice" technique for reasons of
>> fundage. I slapped together a quasi ball bodice from her renfaire
>> middle class bodice. It was passsible,but not "pretty". We cannot
>> get a "V'neck"to work, the "girls" keep wanting to escape, also
>> the mass creates some meeting of the waist and chest area. we
>> tried yanking those bra straps up as high as we could go. afraid a
>> full corset will only make the girls oveflow the top. She cannot
>> tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area
>> (Aspergers)
>> HELP!!!
>> much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......
>> melody

Hi Carol, thanks for the reply. Our "Bio" says it's 1845, but our group with the
exception of me, haven't a clue what Victorian fashions cover...so we run the
gambit of quasi civil war hoop to 1890 Bustle gowns..sometimes (horrors!) mixing
the together(I always just blame the "SteamPunk" aspect for that.or my sostumers
brain would explode ; > )
I try to make seperates to deal withthe uneven sizes of top & bottom,SO I have
made a simple dropped shoulder jacket /carriage bodice for day wear with simple
store bought vintage look  blouses underneath
, I also scour the 2nd hand stores for items to"remake" to look appropriate.".
Found a little black jacket that worked. But the ballgown top eluded me. I added
black lace ruffles to the ren bodice base at the neckline ,armholes and drop
waistline May try the gauze fichu to fill the "gaposis" I have happen with her
necklines. thanks for thei deas
 
But, WHY, is the Rum all gone?"

--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Carol Kocian <aquazoo@...> wrote:


From: Carol Kocian <aquazoo@...>
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 5:44 PM



As others are saying, you need to create the shape with undergarments 
first. If she can't wear a corset, then you have to make it work with 
what you have.

The Victorian era is a pretty big span of time. Is there a specific 
era you're aiming for?

I think the 1830s are more youthful looking, less structured than, 
say, the 80s. Lightweight, light colored fabrics and flounces will 
look young and pretty. While you don't need a high neckline, it can 
be to the collarbone or filled in with gauze — which will not be tight.

-Carol


> On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "Melody" <hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but 
>> I digress. My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short 
>> waisted her waist is 38 ,hip 46. She has very small width 
>> shoulders also to further complicate it.
>> >> melody


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I now have a yr to work on this now as it  is only in Jan. of each yr.will be
collecting ideas and prototyping ideas. If U think of any ,pls feel free to
forward them on


" But, WHY, is the Rum all gone?"

--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Daniel Sanders <daniel.marcus.sanders@...> wrote:


From: Daniel Sanders <daniel.marcus.sanders@...>
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust
To: "F-Costume@yahoogroups.com" <F-Costume@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:17 PM


Hi Melody. If I read the end of your post correctly, you're saying a corset is
out of the question, right? Is there a way to make it more quasi Victorian and
add in more of the steam punk idea into the evening top?

On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "Melody" <hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:

> Hi, I need help with a large problem,actually 2 large problems,but I digress.
My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and short waisted her waist is 38 ,hip
46. She has very small width shoulders also to further complicate it.
> I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown
bodice.  > melody
>
>


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--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Nightwing Whitehead <nightwingwhitehead@...> wrote:


From: Nightwing Whitehead <nightwingwhitehead@...>
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 2:30 PM



 



Milady *needs* a corset!  Not a pseudo-corset that sort of maybe kind of almost
does it, a real corset that will confine what should be confined and support
what should be supported.  They come in many styles from under the bust to demi
to full cover to sweetheart.  Where do you live?  I may be able to direct your
path to a corset-fitter near you.

--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Melody hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:

From: Melody hobbitmomof4@...>
Subject: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:01 PM

 
***She cannot tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area
(Aspergers)


need help with a large problem,,My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and
short waisted her waist is 38 ,hip 46. She has very small width shoulders also
to further complicate it.

I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown bodice.
None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage diminsions.

 
much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......

melody









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thanks to all who answered my query re:the Vic.Bodice problem. I got some great
ideas and suggestions. Some suggested a corset, would be fine for normal people,
Aspergers people sometimes are not able to tolerate confining garments wrapped
tightly about them ,so to the "proper foundation" folks,sorry that idea won't
fly,in her case. All the support must be built into the bodice, sometimes her
personal bra cannot be fastened tightly or a meltdown occurs.
Any other suggestions BESIDES a corset are welcome, thanks for letting me pick
your brains.
melody

On 1/17/2013 9:23 PM, Melody wrote:
> thanks to all who answered my query re:the Vic.Bodice problem. I got
> some great ideas and suggestions. Some suggested a corset, would be
> fine for normal people, Aspergers people sometimes are not able to
> tolerate confining garments wrapped tightly about them ,so to the
> "proper foundation" folks,sorry that idea won't fly,in her case. All
> the support must be built into the bodice, sometimes her personal bra
> cannot be fastened tightly or a meltdown occurs.
IF a bra won't work, agree a corset won't work.  BUT, corsets don't have
to be done tightly.  My sister has scoliosis, so I just built around
that and WOULD NOT lace tight at all.

Also, if you use cable ties, you get a much softer, more bendy corset.
The only really stiff part has to be the bust in front.

You might make one up w/ a fun fashion color and see if she can wear it
as "practice".

While I don't recommend popping off a corset, if she really had to, the
bust could be loosened a notch at a time.  Talk to her about it and
maybe she could gradually move forward on it.

If you do choose to try corset training...  BIG RULE... it goes on
before any food or water.  Lace it in two steps at least 15 minutes
apart... even if you're doing light lacing.
******************************************
OK, after all that said...  other option...

1) take and build one of her old bras into the bodice.  If you line it
you can hide the bra strap in the middle and let the bra ends just come
out the back about an inch from the center back.  So, you put on the top
together.  Fasten the bra, and then fasten the back of the dress.  (Just
did that on a recent bridal gown for a lady w/ a larger bust who wanted
to be able to do any style of dance, or dipping and still be secure.)

2) Soft bone the bodice w/ cable ties  -- the only problem w/ this is
there isn't a good way to remove the bones if they bother her.... which
is why I think a gentle corset is better for shaping.

And as folk mentioned before have a chemise under the corset.... or at
least a cotton tank top.  (Natural fabrics absorb sweat and if the
bodice, or corset get to be too much... you can quickly help peal off
the layers and still beat modern standards.)
***************************************************

Basically, one step at a time, and practice in advance.... and be
prepared for anything.

-Cat-

Sorry, I saw that after I sent my response (what I get for reading emails in he
dead of the night).  I didn't correct it then as I wanted to be able to offer a
better solution when I did, but I have no clear ideas as to how to best solve
this.  I keep seeing layers of lace but nothing concrete enough to pass along
yet.


--- On Fri, 1/18/13, Melody Watts <hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:

From: Melody Watts <hobbitmomof4@...>
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 18, 2013, 12:13 AM
















 









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From: Nightwing Whitehead nightwingwhitehead@...>

Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust

To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 2:30 PM



 



Milady *needs* a corset!  Not a pseudo-corset that sort of maybe kind of almost
does it, a real corset that will confine what should be confined and support
what should be supported.  They come in many styles from under the bust to demi
to full cover to sweetheart.  Where do you live?  I may be able to direct your
path to a corset-fitter near you.



--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Melody hobbitmomof4@...> wrote:



From: Melody hobbitmomof4@...>

Subject: [F-Costume] Need help with VIctorian Bodice for large bust

To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:01 PM



 

***She cannot tolerate anything high or tight around her body or neck area
(Aspergers)



need help with a large problem,,My daughter is a 47" F cup, she is 5'1" and
short waisted her waist is 38 ,hip 46. She has very small width shoulders also
to further complicate it.



I have been very unsuccessfully trying to create a Victorian ball gown bodice.
None of the patterns I have go up to her boobage diminsions.



 

much thanks for any ideas,leads, back pats......



melody



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I like the idea of a soft "corset." The bones in a corset are what
holds it up, so something softer would need shoulder straps to do
that. I've seen women get some shaping just with canvas and no boning
at all. It would act like a longline bra: with the support coming
from the midriff, it would not have to be as tight as the band of a bra.

The problem with building the support into the bodice, expecting the
bodice to do the work, is that you can end up with stress wrinkles.
You really would need a firm inner layer, and in that case might as
well make it a separate piece.

There are visual tricks you can do to give the illusion of a
different shape. A light colored dress with a darker sash will give
her more of a waistline. If you make a sash that actually ties, you
can adjust it depending on how she's doing that day. The sash could
even be pointed, a chevron or V shape in the center, for a more
interesting look.

Someone mentioned princess seams. A lighter center panel will create
a longer, leaner illusion. The center panel could also have ruching
or some other trimming to draw the eye. There are lots of great
designers on this list, so maybe there will be more design and
trimming ideas.

-Carol


On Jan 18, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Cat Devereaux wrote:

> On 1/17/2013 9:23 PM, Melody wrote:
>> thanks to all who answered my query re:the Vic.Bodice problem. I got
>> some great ideas and suggestions. Some suggested a corset, would be
>> fine for normal people, Aspergers people sometimes are not able to
>> tolerate confining garments wrapped tightly about them ,so to the
>> "proper foundation" folks,sorry that idea won't fly,in her case. All
>> the support must be built into the bodice, sometimes her personal bra
>> cannot be fastened tightly or a meltdown occurs.
> IF a bra won't work, agree a corset won't work.  BUT, corsets don't
> have
> to be done tightly.  My sister has scoliosis, so I just built around
> that and WOULD NOT lace tight at all.
>
> Also, if you use cable ties, you get a much softer, more bendy corset.
> The only really stiff part has to be the bust in front.
>
> You might make one up w/ a fun fashion color and see if she can
> wear it
> as "practice".
>
> While I don't recommend popping off a corset, if she really had to,
> the
> bust could be loosened a notch at a time.  Talk to her about it and
> maybe she could gradually move forward on it.
>
> If you do choose to try corset training...  BIG RULE... it goes on
> before any food or water.  Lace it in two steps at least 15 minutes
> apart... even if you're doing light lacing.
> ******************************************
> OK, after all that said...  other option...
>
> 1) take and build one of her old bras into the bodice.  If you line it
> you can hide the bra strap in the middle and let the bra ends just
> come
> out the back about an inch from the center back.  So, you put on
> the top
> together.  Fasten the bra, and then fasten the back of the dress.
> (Just
> did that on a recent bridal gown for a lady w/ a larger bust who
> wanted
> to be able to do any style of dance, or dipping and still be secure.)
>
> 2) Soft bone the bodice w/ cable ties  -- the only problem w/ this is
> there isn't a good way to remove the bones if they bother her....
> which
> is why I think a gentle corset is better for shaping.
>
> And as folk mentioned before have a chemise under the corset.... or at
> least a cotton tank top.  (Natural fabrics absorb sweat and if the
> bodice, or corset get to be too much... you can quickly help peal off
> the layers and still beat modern standards.)
> ***************************************************
>
> Basically, one step at a time, and practice in advance.... and be
> prepared for anything.
>
> -Cat-

Well, did I read correctly in another post that the event is showcasing the year
1845?

<<<I now have a yr to work on this now as it  is only in Jan. of each yr.will be
collecting ideas and prototyping ideas. If U think of any ,pls feel free to
forward them on>>>
>


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Anyone here 1) have a zombie costume/makeup, 2) live reasonably close to San
Francisco, and 3) is interested in (possibly) appearing on TV?

"MythBusters" just posted a call on their Twitter account; they need around 300
volunteer zombies for a test.  They'll be filming the first batch in late
January and early February, with a second wave mid- to late February.

The sign-up survey is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dExVdEY1aG5kWHVmQmREZVlvR3B\
Pa1E6MA#gid=0 .  Feel free to pass this on.

Leah

And if you're new to zombies, we've got a lot of discussion her about painting
your clothing w/ blood...  just search this discussion group

-Cat-

--- In F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, "antigone68104"  wrote:
>
> Anyone here 1) have a zombie costume/makeup, 2) live reasonably close to San
Francisco, and 3) is interested in (possibly) appearing on TV?
>
> "MythBusters" just posted a call on their Twitter account; they need around
300 volunteer zombies for a test.  They'll be filming the first batch in late
January and early February, with a second wave mid- to late February.
>
> The sign-up survey is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dExVdEY1aG5kWHVmQmREZVlvR3B\
Pa1E6MA#gid=0 .  Feel free to pass this on.
>
> Leah
>

Cat: Thank you the built in bra idea ! It may just be the solution I couldn't
find
I'm going to do a "mock up" with her present strapless bra in the bodice I made
and see if it meshes and works for her.
Thanks again to your wonderful ,pickable brain!
melody
 Ps I make regular "V" shaped darts at the bust point and modified banana
shaped darts at the waist front. Do you think a princess dart/cut might be a
better choice in the future?
melody

" But, WHY, is the Rum all gone?:


From: Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@...>
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] regarding the large bust/Victorian bodice problem



 



On 1/17/2013 9:23 PM, Melody wrote:
> thanks to all who answered my query re:the Vic.Bodice problem. I got
> some great ideas and suggestions. Some suggested a corset, would be
> fine for normal people, Aspergers people sometimes are not able to
> tolerate confining garments wrapped tightly about them ,
 Cat:   If OK, after all that said... other option...

1) take and build one of her old bras into the bodice. If you line it
you can hide the bra strap in the middle and let the bra ends just come
out the back about an inch from the center back. So, you put on the top
together. Fasten the bra, and then fasten the back of the dress. (Just
did that on a recent bridal gown for a lady w/ a larger bust who wanted
to be able to do any style of dance, or dipping and still be secure.)

***************************************************

-Cat-







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