Ok, so this is more historical than fantasy... but can think about
decorations on LOTR or other fantasy armor -- it's not so fantasy after all.

Here's the photo stream from the museum.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/birminghammag/sets/72157622327837525/
Lots of pictures of the same items... but for those of you who like to
document costumes or anything else... same techniques apply.  Overview
shots, then getting closer.  Different angles, different lighting, (and
probably different camera settings).  Since they can touch them, little
pieces are also photographed front and back, and w/ ruler.

Just to add some costume trivia with that... remember a technique to
fake this on fun foam:
Print out a pattern on paper, secure on top of fun foam armor.  Use a
slightly blunt item (stylus, pen, back end of a pointy comb) to trace
over the lines.  Remove the pattern and touch up.  Shoe polish can be
rubbed on and buffed off so that the detail shows up from your carvings.

-Cat-

I have been drooling over this horde for weeks! Love it! I'm a gold girl at
heart so love finds that are pirmarily in gold.

I think you're right Cat - it's very useful if trying to build items from Rohan
LOTR. It's items like these Alan Lee and John Howe used for inspiration!

Fun foam - I've never worked with it - will it hold the indentations? It won't
puff back out? Very useful!
 
Sheree
Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well
dance!




________________________________
From: Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@...>
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:26:05 PM
Subject: [F-Costume] Staffordshire Gold Hoard details

 
Ok, so this is more historical than fantasy... but can think about
decorations on LOTR or other fantasy armor -- it's not so fantasy after all.

Here's the photo stream from the museum.
http://www.flickr. com/photos/ birminghammag/ sets/72157622327 837525/
Lots of pictures of the same items... but for those of you who like to
document costumes or anything else... same techniques apply. Overview
shots, then getting closer. Different angles, different lighting, (and
probably different camera settings). Since they can touch them, little
pieces are also photographed front and back, and w/ ruler.

Just to add some costume trivia with that... remember a technique to
fake this on fun foam:
Print out a pattern on paper, secure on top of fun foam armor. Use a
slightly blunt item (stylus, pen, back end of a pointy comb) to trace
over the lines. Remove the pattern and touch up. Shoe polish can be
rubbed on and buffed off so that the detail shows up from your carvings.

-Cat-






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Starting off a little early this year.... but if you're getting
discouraged that your not quite done w/ your Halloween costume yet...
take a look at what the stars... with any amount of money are wearing.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around-town/fashion/Celebs-Dress-to-Impress-for-Hal\
loween-64037682.html

SIGH

But hey... don't ya feel feel better now... thiis is a good example of
when no costume, really is no costume.... and that less isn't more.

There are a few with some interesting details... look at the texture in
Heft's basic devil outfit... not boring, not too hard... interesting and
comfortable.   Heidi does good costumes too.

KEEP ON STITCHING.  Time is running short.

-Cat-
Share slideshows from parties around that have good examples of what
works or doesn't... it's all learning.

Heidi Klum's costumes were great, I thought. I'll definitely have to post
pics of mine this year since I'll actually *have* one.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Cat Devereaux <
CatDevereaux@...> wrote:

>
>
> Starting off a little early this year.... but if you're getting
> discouraged that your not quite done w/ your Halloween costume yet...
> take a look at what the stars... with any amount of money are wearing.
>
>
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around-town/fashion/Celebs-Dress-to-Impress-for-Hal\
loween-64037682.html
>
> SIGH
>
> But hey... don't ya feel feel better now... thiis is a good example of
> when no costume, really is no costume.... and that less isn't more.
>
> There are a few with some interesting details... look at the texture in
> Heft's basic devil outfit... not boring, not too hard... interesting and
> comfortable. Heidi does good costumes too.
>
> KEEP ON STITCHING. Time is running short.
>
> -Cat-
> Share slideshows from parties around that have good examples of what
> works or doesn't... it's all learning.
>
>
>



--
~Jilly

"Friendship needs no explanation."


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Just found out Threads has a Halloween Costume contest going.  Some nice
books and DVD's for your shelf.
http://www.threadsmagazine.com/contest/halloween-costume-09

Good luck.

-Cat-

Hi folks,
I'm going to be making a couple of costumes from black PVC and I need to
maintain as much flexibility/movement as possible.  I'm wondering if anyone here
has come across a cheap (online) source of 4-way stretch (sometimes sold as
2-way stretch) PVC? 

I've only found two shops around here that stock it, one at (Australian) $25/m
(an hours drive) and one at $30/m and any other stores only sell the 1/2-way
stretch not the 4-way!  I've looked on ebay, but have only found the 1/2-way
stretch and sadly my computer is being ridiculously slow and searching anything
online is nearly impossible for me!

Also, is there any terminology I should be looking for to help me distinguish
between the two different sorts of stretch?  So far I've had to email and ask
people for clarification, but is there any other way to distinguish online?



      
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Subject: [F-Costume] Stretch PVC?
To: "F Costume" <f-costume@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 3:50 AM


 



Hi folks,
I'm going to be making a couple of costumes from black PVC and I need to
maintain as much flexibility/ movement as possible.  I'm wondering if anyone
here has come across a cheap (online) source of 4-way stretch (sometimes sold as
2-way stretch) PVC? 

I've only found two shops around here that stock it, one at (Australian) $25/m
(an hours drive) and one at $30/m and any other stores only sell the 1/2-way
stretch not the 4-way!  I've looked on ebay, but have only found the 1/2-way
stretch and sadly my computer is being ridiculously slow and searching anything
online is nearly impossible for me!

Also, is there any terminology I should be looking for to help me distinguish
between the two different sorts of stretch?  So far I've had to email and ask
people for clarification, but is there any other way to distinguish online?

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...yeah... how DO I get myself into these things?

My husband and I will be attending a performance of the "Big Broadcast of
1938"--which was Orson Welles' production of "The War of the Worlds" that
freaked out so many people. It's being performed live with a studio orchestra,
at the beautifully-restored Somerville Theatre.

For more information, go to:

http://www.bb1938.com/bb1938_main.html

The public has been invited to come in 1930s clothes, so I'd like to make
something quick to wear. If I can find my husband's black suit (he doesn't have
a pinstripe), I'll make a quickie vest; I'd love to find spectator oxfords for
him, but for a one-use event, it's not worth it.

I can't remember: were men's ties wide or narrow in the 1930s?

Remember, it's 1938, the U.S. is just coming out of the Depression, and Europe
is just oscillating with political tension.

If we play with personas, which is always a good thing when making a 'costume',
who would we have been in 1938? My husband is a USPS letter carrier now, and I'd
guess he'd be a "mailman" in the 30s. If so, then'd I'd be the "average
housewife," but being at the end of the Depression years, it would be likely
that I would have done or still be doing some sewing on the side to help "make
ends meet".

We're not really rich, so we wouldn't be buying new clothes anyway. (What would
a letter carrier in the 1938 wear when he wasn't working and wearing his
uniform?) I'd like to make a dress for myself, something evoking the 30s that I
can still wear for the holidays, too.

Was "Chicago" set in the 20s or 30s? Were Bonnie and Clyde active in the 30s or
20s? I'd like to find stills or screencaps of "Bonnie and Clyde" (1967).

What kinds of fabrics were used in the 1930s for low-end, off the rack women's
clothing? What modern fabrics can be substituted? (and I'm fat, so I either have
to have fabric with some stretch, or knits).

Were there "knit" fabrics then? (i.e., what I consider 'T-shirt' fabric, but
heavier, 100 percent cotton or 95-5 or 90-10 cotton-spandex, which I could find
loads of in the 1980s and 90s but can't anymore).

...ooh... I just remembered... I have a dark emerald green stretch crushed
velour knit that I'd bought for a dress which never got made. Were velours
manufactured in the U.S. in the 30s, and would they have been affordable for the
average person??

As I said before, I'd probably be doing some sewing on the side to help "make
ends meet", so maybe a small-town seamtress could buy more upscale fabric than
the "average housewife" could.

Thoughts? I have a dress pattern from the late 80s (B3627, 1986) with a dropped
waist that is very evocative of the 1920s if made in the right fabric. Could it
work for the 1930s in the velour? (and does it really matter in the long run?!)

Best Wishes and Happy International Year of Astronomy!!!
Happy Halloween, Happy thanksgiving, Happy Christmas!!
Serit/Miranduviel

For Ties  and suit shapes, try this link:
http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/1937chicagowool.htm
He should have a hat, probably a fedora.

For women's styles, here is a fashion show from 1938
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-7z2OiiqzA&feature=related

and for shoes http://www.geocities.com/FashionAvenue/1495/1930.html

Silhouttes were spare, bias cut and backless were in, *EVERYTHING* was belted at
the waist, draping was a luxury as cash was tight.  You *must*  have a hat, and
short or tied up hair.

Good luck!

Dina

--- In F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, "dermawoman" <smkwandr@...> wrote:
>
> ...yeah... how DO I get myself into these things?
>
> My husband and I will be attending a performance of the "Big Broadcast of
1938"--which was Orson Welles' production of "The War of the Worlds" that
freaked out so many people. It's being performed live with a studio orchestra,
at the beautifully-restored Somerville Theatre.
>
> For more information, go to:
>
> http://www.bb1938.com/bb1938_main.html
>
> The public has been invited to come in 1930s clothes, so I'd like to make
something quick to wear. If I can find my husband's black suit (he doesn't have
a pinstripe), I'll make a quickie vest; I'd love to find spectator oxfords for
him, but for a one-use event, it's not worth it.
>
> I can't remember: were men's ties wide or narrow in the 1930s?
>
> Remember, it's 1938, the U.S. is just coming out of the Depression, and Europe
is just oscillating with political tension.
>
> If we play with personas, which is always a good thing when making a
'costume', who would we have been in 1938? My husband is a USPS letter carrier
now, and I'd guess he'd be a "mailman" in the 30s. If so, then'd I'd be the
"average housewife," but being at the end of the Depression years, it would be
likely that I would have done or still be doing some sewing on the side to help
"make ends meet".
>
> We're not really rich, so we wouldn't be buying new clothes anyway. (What
would a letter carrier in the 1938 wear when he wasn't working and wearing his
uniform?) I'd like to make a dress for myself, something evoking the 30s that I
can still wear for the holidays, too.
>
> Was "Chicago" set in the 20s or 30s? Were Bonnie and Clyde active in the 30s
or 20s? I'd like to find stills or screencaps of "Bonnie and Clyde" (1967).
>
> What kinds of fabrics were used in the 1930s for low-end, off the rack women's
clothing? What modern fabrics can be substituted? (and I'm fat, so I either have
to have fabric with some stretch, or knits).
>
> Were there "knit" fabrics then? (i.e., what I consider 'T-shirt' fabric, but
heavier, 100 percent cotton or 95-5 or 90-10 cotton-spandex, which I could find
loads of in the 1980s and 90s but can't anymore).
>
> ...ooh... I just remembered... I have a dark emerald green stretch crushed
velour knit that I'd bought for a dress which never got made. Were velours
manufactured in the U.S. in the 30s, and would they have been affordable for the
average person??
>
> As I said before, I'd probably be doing some sewing on the side to help "make
ends meet", so maybe a small-town seamtress could buy more upscale fabric than
the "average housewife" could.
>
> Thoughts? I have a dress pattern from the late 80s (B3627, 1986) with a
dropped waist that is very evocative of the 1920s if made in the right fabric.
Could it work for the 1930s in the velour? (and does it really matter in the
long run?!)
>
> Best Wishes and Happy International Year of Astronomy!!!
> Happy Halloween, Happy thanksgiving, Happy Christmas!!
> Serit/Miranduviel
>

>> If we play with personas, which is always a good thing when making a
'costume', who would we have been in 1938? My husband is a USPS letter
carrier now, and I'd guess he'd be a "mailman" in the 30s. If so, then'd
I'd be the "average housewife," but being at the end of the Depression
years, it would be likely that I would have done or still be doing some
sewing on the side to help "make ends meet".  We're not really rich, so
we wouldn't be buying new clothes anyway. (What would a letter carrier
in the 1938 wear when he wasn't working and wearing his uniform?) I'd
like to make a dress for myself, something evoking the 30s that I can
still wear for the holidays, too.

Since you've spent a lot of time thinking about this already, I'm giving
you the complex  answer....When doing historical clothing... class is
VERY important... and as you've noted you are looking at doing
"struggling" middle class. (Even if you had a job, you were very thrifty
knowing YOU could be next.).Also... city vs. rural will matter, and AGE
will matter.   Also "party" and "holiday" clothing are going to have
different levels of dress-up/formal... those long slinky gowns are  for
"formal" party, not standard dressy.

Class barriers in dress were starting to break down (OK, crushed by the
depression)... but mass media wasn't there yet, just fashion magazines.
Kids might try to emulate the city, but respectable married would dress
much more conservative. (It still really mattered what the neighbors
thought.)

So... you've got two options... dress to persona, or change the persona
and be someone fancier... depending on the dress you want.

  >> Was "Chicago" set in the 20s or 30s? Were Bonnie and Clyde active in
the 30s or 20s? I'd like to find stills or screencaps of "Bonnie and
Clyde" (1967).



Vintage Pattern Library shows some of what was available for the
seamstress: https://vpll.3dcartstores.com/1930--1939_c_36.html .  Vogue
carries some "vintage" style patterns.  (Vintage silhouettes, modern
sizing and techniques.)    There are just a few 30's dresses here,
including one "Bonnie" style: http://www.antiquedress.com/ .  These are
going to be high end.

  >>What kinds of fabrics were used in the 1930s for low-end, off the
rack women's clothing? What modern fabrics can be substituted? (and I'm
fat, so I either have to have fabric with some stretch, or knits).

Yes, there were some knits... BUT the were different than today's
knits.  Remember how yucky the 60's knits even were.  They were knitting
silks and wools for fancy dress.... but these were often used for bia
cuts... draping required to adjust... and lots of time playing w/
fabrics.    For middle class, I think you're better staying with
wovens.. satins and silkies were good.  You can go for the polly
versions.  Prints were still popular for evening.

  >> Were there "knit" fabrics then? (i.e., what I consider 'T-shirt'
fabric, but heavier, 100 percent cotton or 95-5 or 90-10 cotton-spandex,
which I could find loads of in the 1980s and 90s but can't anymore).

The "T-shirt" fabrics would be a no-no... thick and icky yarns, things
for kids, 50's. Spandex is a 50's invention.  There's stretch in fibers,
and stretch based on weave...

  >> ...ooh... I just remembered... I have a dark emerald green stretch
crushed velour knit that I'd bought for a dress which never got made.
Were velours manufactured in the U.S. in the 30s, and would they have
been affordable for the average person??

Velour needs spandex:
http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Fabric/Velour_fabric_definition.htm
... so you're out there.    Yes, a silk velvet could be draped on a bias
and the very thin velvets would resemble it from the distance  (think
King Kong '05, Anne's finale dress), but not if you're being a
sticker.   Also... unless you're planning on all the underpinning
(including the girdle), you really don't want to get too slinky if
you've got some size.    Make it with a slip and silkies, and you can
get away w/ just a modern slimmer.  (No jiggle allowed -- yea, just like
elves.)

  >> As I said before, I'd probably be doing some sewing on the side to
help "make ends meet", so maybe a small-town seamtress could buy more
upscale fabric than the "average housewife" could.

Silks and wool jersey vs just cotton then.

  >> Thoughts? I have a dress pattern from the late 80s (B3627, 1986)
with a dropped waist that is very evocative of the 1920s if made in the
right fabric. Could it work for the 1930s in the velour? (and does it
really matter in the long run?!)

In the depression, you could wear a 10yo "party" dress.  No shame unless
you were social climbing.

How much it matters depends on you, your time, how "hard" your friend
play.  (In many circles, wearing something before 1950 would be
considered a "hit".)  So... you've lots of options.

  >> Was "Chicago" set in the 20s or 30s? Were Bonnie and Clyde active in
the 30s or 20s? I'd like to find stills or screencaps of "Bonnie and
Clyde" (1967).

As for using movies... there's always a risk.  They're often a
combination of the time they were made and the time they portray...
especially musicals.   Also... when looking at period films, look at the
extras, not the stars for more accurate clothing.

Chicago was all about 20's jazz babies.  Bonnie and Clyde will probably
give you poor/rural.  (It's been quite a while since I've seen it, so I
don't remember the extras.)   Trying to think of movies you might
have... King Kong 05, the extras will be early/mid 30's.. and a bit
cliqued .  (Again, don't go by Ann's outfits.)

Hey, do you have cable?  Watch Turner Classic Movies.. '38 is just pre
war.  You're going to see waists in normal, some flare, "V" necks.
Ruffles have gone.  (The 40's save-fabric war styles are just a
modification of what was out there just before the war.)  Length is
about the knee, if you're not going full formal

Quick check at cable, Dodsworth (1936), 5pm tomorrow, Merrily We Live
(1938), 6:15am Thurs, Blond Cheat (1938) shows next.  All these mix high
society.  Not sure how much common womens clothing there will be, then
Of Mice and Men (1939)on Friday at 12:30am which will show the bottom.
Then Hold that Kiss (1938) and Within the law (1939) start a 3am.  Both
those are more in the middle, store clerk and social climbing model.
etc...  (All times Pacific.)

Hope that gives you a start.

-Cat-

Thanks Kevin, but latex is an entirely different beast that I'm not willing to
tackle just yet, but that site does have the stuff I'm looking for for a very
good price too! :)

Thanks for the link.

--- On Wed, 21/10/09, Kevin Curley <sean99705@...> wrote:

From: Kevin Curley <sean99705@...>
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Stretch PVC?
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 12:15 AM






 





                   You might want to try this----http: //www.mjtrends.
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From: Naresha <north_shore_ fruitcake@ yahoo.com. au>

Subject: [F-Costume] Stretch PVC?

To: "F Costume" <f-costume@yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 3:50 AM



 



Hi folks,

I'm going to be making a couple of costumes from black PVC and I need to
maintain as much flexibility/ movement as possible.  I'm wondering if anyone
here has come across a cheap (online) source of 4-way stretch (sometimes sold as
2-way stretch) PVC? 



I've only found two shops around here that stock it, one at (Australian) $25/m
(an hours drive) and one at $30/m and any other stores only sell the 1/2-way
stretch not the 4-way!  I've looked on ebay, but have only found the 1/2-way
stretch and sadly my computer is being ridiculously slow and searching anything
online is nearly impossible for me!



Also, is there any terminology I should be looking for to help me distinguish
between the two different sorts of stretch?  So far I've had to email and ask
people for clarification, but is there any other way to distinguish online?




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I wanted to attend my next event in turkish garb.

I had a costume pattern that I could modify.

I had made lovely sketches of my design idea.

I had this gorgeous indigo and silver fabric selected.

But our home renovations have gone MUCH slower than planned and I currently have
NO sewing room and NO available space in the entire house to work!!!

I will need to purchase garb.

Can anyone recommend a good Turkish garb merchant (online)?

I have been looking and can't find anything.

What do you mean by "turkish" costume? Do you mean for men,
women,bellydancing???

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, winchestersgirl <winchestersgirl@...> wrote:


From: winchestersgirl <winchestersgirl@...>
Subject: [F-Costume] looking for turkish garb merchant
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 4:43 PM


 



I wanted to attend my next event in turkish garb.

I had a costume pattern that I could modify.

I had made lovely sketches of my design idea.

I had this gorgeous indigo and silver fabric selected.

But our home renovations have gone MUCH slower than planned and I currently have
NO sewing room and NO available space in the entire house to work!!!

I will need to purchase garb.

Can anyone recommend a good Turkish garb merchant (online)?

I have been looking and can't find anything.



















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>> What do you mean by "turkish" costume? Do you mean for men,
women,bellydancing

If historic garb... at least what century?   Links to pics or
portraits?  (Yes, there are not a lot, but...)   Pattern you were going
to use???

Often folks want the "movie" version... if so... what movies?
Links???  There's lots of cool fantasy movies that claim a generic
middle-easter area.

If going towards historic, which people.  There are major differences in
ethnic choices. If going for historical... here's a sampling of the
garment shapes: http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/tilke/

-Cat-

I'm Not looking for the sequined/beaded night-club type belly dancing costumes
(the beaded bra-top and beaded dance belt ensembles with the chiffon veils and
harem pants)

Yes, they are really, really, pretty, but these did not become popular until
right before the 20th century.

A choli and a skirt and I believe that it's called a gwazhee coat.

Pediod - during the (European) Medieval and Renaissance periods, or prior to
1600 CE, the Western Calendar.

I've been told that the yelek, anteri, or more commonly called the gwzahee coat,
being in SCA period for belly dancers, actually began in Persia, not
Turkey....but I like the look.

It's a VERY good look, widely used in the SCA and other groups for a more period
and authentic look than caberet, and much warmer for fall and winter events.


--- In F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@...> wrote:
>
>  >> What do you mean by "turkish" costume? Do you mean for men,
> women,bellydancing
>
> If historic garb... at least what century?   Links to pics or
> portraits?  (Yes, there are not a lot, but...)   Pattern you were going
> to use???
>
> Often folks want the "movie" version... if so... what movies?
> Links???  There's lots of cool fantasy movies that claim a generic
> middle-easter area.
>
> If going towards historic, which people.  There are major differences in
> ethnic choices. If going for historical... here's a sampling of the
> garment shapes: http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/tilke/
>
> -Cat-
>

Look at the costuming under this link---they may have what you are looking for  
http://www.esmishanna.com/links.html

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, winchestersgirl <winchestersgirl@...> wrote:


From: winchestersgirl <winchestersgirl@...>
Subject: [F-Costume] Re: looking for turkish garb merchant
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:58 PM


 



I'm Not looking for the sequined/beaded night-club type belly dancing costumes
(the beaded bra-top and beaded dance belt ensembles with the chiffon veils and
harem pants)

Yes, they are really, really, pretty, but these did not become popular until
right before the 20th century.

A choli and a skirt and I believe that it's called a gwazhee coat.

Pediod - during the (European) Medieval and Renaissance periods, or prior to
1600 CE, the Western Calendar.

I've been told that the yelek, anteri, or more commonly called the gwzahee coat,
being in SCA period for belly dancers, actually began in Persia, not
Turkey....but I like the look.

It's a VERY good look, widely used in the SCA and other groups for a more period
and authentic look than caberet, and much warmer for fall and winter events.

--- In F-Costume@yahoogrou ps.com, Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@ ...> wrote:
>
> >> What do you mean by "turkish" costume? Do you mean for men,
> women,bellydancing
>
> If historic garb... at least what century? Links to pics or
> portraits? (Yes, there are not a lot, but...) Pattern you were going
> to use???
>
> Often folks want the "movie" version... if so... what movies?
> Links??? There's lots of cool fantasy movies that claim a generic
> middle-easter area.
>
> If going towards historic, which people. There are major differences in
> ethnic choices. If going for historical.. . here's a sampling of the
> garment shapes: http://www.indiana. edu/~librcsd/ etext/tilke/
>
> -Cat-
>



















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Not to be too sticky but ya I'm gonna be a little sticky... As far as any
documents can show the gwahzee coat is after 1600 and is based on turkish not
persian design.  The persians had a similar coat but it wasn't tight fitted and
didn't have the cut-out that went around the breats. There are a few sellers
selling ghwazee coats on etsy (they are very popular with the belly dance
community at the moment). If you want to be historically correct go with a
turkish enteri or a persian coat. Both are so easy to make that there aren't
many people selling them.

But I guess this brings us to Cat's point - what exactly are you looking for?
Historcally accurate garments are hard to find. Not many folks are selling them.
In my opinion it's because they aren't flatering to the western eye and they are
crazy easy to make. There are more folks out there selling modern belly dance
ghwazee coats. There are 3 for sale on etsy (search belly dance coat).

Cholis are indian. It's been tossed around that they aren't exactly historically
accurate for pre 1600 but I beg to differ on that point. They are all over
illuminations that date pre 1600. You can find those at your local sari shop or
there are thousands of online stores that sell them. If you buy online be
careful of their sizes. Boobs just aren't as big in the indian world. I've run
into that problem a LOT. sigh Best to go to a local indian sari shop and try
them on.

I had a link to a merchant that sells persian coats but I can't find it (prolly
on my work computer). I can post it later if you want. and www.tribe.net is a
fantastic place to find resources and ready made ghwazee coats. 

Hope this helps,
Sheree 
 Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as
well dance!




________________________________
From: winchestersgirl <winchestersgirl@...>
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 10:58:01 PM
Subject: [F-Costume] Re: looking for turkish garb merchant

 
I'm Not looking for the sequined/beaded night-club type belly dancing costumes
(the beaded bra-top and beaded dance belt ensembles with the chiffon veils and
harem pants)

Yes, they are really, really, pretty, but these did not become popular until
right before the 20th century.

A choli and a skirt and I believe that it's called a gwazhee coat.

Pediod - during the (European) Medieval and Renaissance periods, or prior to
1600 CE, the Western Calendar.

I've been told that the yelek, anteri, or more commonly called the gwzahee coat,
being in SCA period for belly dancers, actually began in Persia, not
Turkey....but I like the look.

It's a VERY good look, widely used in the SCA and other groups for a more period
and authentic look than caberet, and much warmer for fall and winter events.

--- In F-Costume@yahoogrou ps.com, Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@ ...> wrote:
>
> >> What do you mean by "turkish" costume? Do you mean for men,
> women,bellydancing
>
> If historic garb... at least what century? Links to pics or
> portraits? (Yes, there are not a lot, but...) Pattern you were going
> to use???
>
> Often folks want the "movie" version... if so... what movies?
> Links??? There's lots of cool fantasy movies that claim a generic
> middle-easter area.
>
> If going towards historic, which people. There are major differences in
> ethnic choices. If going for historical.. . here's a sampling of the
> garment shapes: http://www.indiana. edu/~librcsd/ etext/tilke/
>
> -Cat-
>







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Hey all.
I'm interested in my very first Steampunk.  Never heard of it before a couple of
months ago (boy do I feel out of it).  I'd like to find a Steampunk themed
fabric suitable for a coat or jacket lining.

I have a couple of sources for custom printed fabric, but I'd prefer not to go
to that extreme if possible.

I'm thinking gears, sprockets, clockworks, and the like...

Anyone have suggestions?

Sterling
92.5% Pure

Have you checked out what's available in the quilt department
of your local fabric shop? Otherwise I'd suggest a search for online
quilt fabrics.

       I realize cotton will be a bit "sticky" for a lining. Just use
a white polyester to line the sleeves and you should be ok.

       -Carol


On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Sterling wrote:

> Hey all.
> I'm interested in my very first Steampunk.  Never heard of it
> before a couple of months ago (boy do I feel out of it).  I'd like
> to find a Steampunk themed fabric suitable for a coat or jacket
> lining.
>
> I have a couple of sources for custom printed fabric, but I'd
> prefer not to go to that extreme if possible.
>
> I'm thinking gears, sprockets, clockworks, and the like...
>
> Anyone have suggestions?
>
> Sterling
> 92.5% Pure

LadyButton Fabrics has a nice variety of novelty prints.

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
13 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history

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I don't have a source for the fabric, but what I did at one point was use
metallic fabric paints and stenciled gears onto the fabric I had. I used the
blank plastic sheets to make the stencils and cut the stencils themselves using
bicycle gears in different sizes as patterns. I kept the paint light in texture
and just kind of brushed it over the exposed area without actually laying the
paint in and overlapped the stencils. I used a brownish-copper fabric and used
various shades of gold, silver and copper acrylic paint mixed with a medium that
makes them suitable for fabrics. I didn't use it as a jacket lining, but it made
a really nice shirt.


Julian

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Sterling <dailylunatic@...> wrote:


From: Sterling <dailylunatic@...>
Subject: [F-Costume] Steampunk Jacket Lining...
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:39 PM


 



Hey all.
I'm interested in my very first Steampunk. Never heard of it before a couple of
months ago (boy do I feel out of it). I'd like to find a Steampunk themed fabric
suitable for a coat or jacket lining.

I have a couple of sources for custom printed fabric, but I'd prefer not to go
to that extreme if possible.

I'm thinking gears, sprockets, clockworks, and the like...

Anyone have suggestions?

Sterling
92.5% Pure











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While this is decoration vs. fabric... this might help you if you want
to try and stamp on your own.

There's a guy on Etsy who makes laser cuts of thin wood gears,  They run
from a half inch to almost 2 inches.  You can pick up a handfull of them
for less than one gear of the same size.  You could make your own stamp
out of them.  They're thin, so you'd have to be careful not to over
ink.. but you'd get the effect for under $10 for a whole set of shapes.

Here's the product:
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=21241813 .
(That's actually a sold link because he only has one in stock right now,
but he'll put more up on request.)  Here's his store:
http://www.etsy.com/shop/porkchopshow .  He also does a lot of steam
punk art designs that can be used as bits on costume.  Check his
previous sales to see the full range of what he has.   One note... since
he does a lot of this for scrapbooking, a number of things are just
paper, confirm it's on wood if you plan on using them on costumes or as
stamp.


On the other hand, if you want metal, again w/o spending the whole
bank... check out this page: http://www.timholtz.com/findings.htm .
Look at sprocket gears.  Again it's a cheat, but way cheaper.  (Oh, time
suck warning...  Tim's website has LOTS of cool how-to videos.  A number
of the scrapbooking techniques for distressing can be applied to
fabric.   HOWEVER, use your head... sand paper is MUCH cheaper bought at
the hardware stores... and you can make up fabric paints from acrylic
paints and fabric medium.  (Some of those inks will work w/ fabric, but
don't go overboard w/o testing.  He does good vid.   Those how-to vids
make you want to buy his whole store.)    Also, if painting the fabric,
he has masks and stamps of some useful images.
http://www.timholtz.com/masks.htm        You don't have to order this
online, Michael's carries a lot of it.  Watch the prices on his stuff...
prices vary like crazy.

It's extra work this way, but custom fabric vs. just a pre-print

-Cat-

Not steampunk per se (but could be) - I'd like to do an Amelia Earhart -
style aviator outfit and can't find ready-made jodhpurs, with the baggy
sides.  Has anyone come across a vintage pattern?

Thanks,
Nelly




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Try Suitability: <http://www.suitability.com/> All kinds of equestrian
related patterns.

     Jeanine

Mentor, Nelly A wrote:
>
>
> Not steampunk per se (but could be) - I'd like to do an Amelia Earhart -
> style aviator outfit and can't find ready-made jodhpurs, with the baggy
> sides. Has anyone come across a vintage pattern?
>
> Thanks,
> Nelly
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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This is fab Cat! I need to go check out those vids.

I've been looking for pre-printed steamy fabric for a couple years now. I've
seen most in the specialty quilting stores but every once in a while (especially
now that SP is popular) I've found some in the quilt sections at the local big
name fabric stores. You can also search online for gears, maps, octopi, science
and then add fabric on the end. I've turned up some great stuff. Now is a great
time to find Victorian Macabre fabrics (bats, skulls, etc).

Having made a bunch of SP costumes and drooled over even more I've found the
hand made effect like Cat and others have described looks far better. It is the
essence of what SP really is! The original Punk movement was all about taking
what you had (t-shirt, safety pins, jeans, jackets, paint) and creating
something totally unique so as not to fit with the status quo. Now take that and
toss in anything and everything Victorian and poofy walla you have Steam Punk.
So be creative! Why stick to a pre-printed cotton fabric? Rummage around in the
discount bin for some brocade satins! Gorgeous!

ShereeLife may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might
as well dance!




________________________________
From: Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@...>
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 12:37:57 AM
Subject: Gear shapes ( was Re: [F-Costume] Steampunk Jacket Lining...

 
While this is decoration vs. fabric... this might help you if you want
to try and stamp on your own.

There's a guy on Etsy who makes laser cuts of thin wood gears, They run
from a half inch to almost 2 inches. You can pick up a handfull of them
for less than one gear of the same size. You could make your own stamp
out of them. They're thin, so you'd have to be careful not to over
ink.. but you'd get the effect for under $10 for a whole set of shapes.

Here's the product:
http://www.etsy. com/view_ transaction. php?transaction_ id=21241813 .
(That's actually a sold link because he only has one in stock right now,
but he'll put more up on request.) Here's his store:
http://www.etsy. com/shop/ porkchopshow . He also does a lot of steam
punk art designs that can be used as bits on costume. Check his
previous sales to see the full range of what he has. One note... since
he does a lot of this for scrapbooking, a number of things are just
paper, confirm it's on wood if you plan on using them on costumes or as
stamp.

On the other hand, if you want metal, again w/o spending the whole
bank... check out this page: http://www.timholtz .com/findings. htm .
Look at sprocket gears. Again it's a cheat, but way cheaper. (Oh, time
suck warning... Tim's website has LOTS of cool how-to videos. A number
of the scrapbooking techniques for distressing can be applied to
fabric. HOWEVER, use your head... sand paper is MUCH cheaper bought at
the hardware stores... and you can make up fabric paints from acrylic
paints and fabric medium. (Some of those inks will work w/ fabric, but
don't go overboard w/o testing. He does good vid. Those how-to vids
make you want to buy his whole store.) Also, if painting the fabric,
he has masks and stamps of some useful images.
http://www.timholtz .com/masks. htm You don't have to order this
online, Michael's carries a lot of it. Watch the prices on his stuff...
prices vary like crazy.

It's extra work this way, but custom fabric vs. just a pre-print

-Cat-







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great stuff! saving it for steampunk orc...
--
   Jules

I don't have a pattern but I have a pair from WWI I found at a local antique
store! They are fabu! All beat to hell already - looks like they went to war.
Now to just get my tush down a size to get them buttoned! This is the third pair
I've come across (the others were all way too small).  I've seen them at
army/navy stores too.

For new/newer ones search places like ebay for vintage jodhpurs/riding pants.
Every once in a while you can still find them at equestrian stores but most have
moved to the fitted style. There are tons on ebay though (I'm seeing some going
for $5 out there right now).

If you want a true pattern though check Ageless Patterns
http://www.agelesspatterns.com/ They have real Victorian patterns.
 
Sheree
Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well
dance!




________________________________
From: "Mentor, Nelly A" <namentor@...>
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:13:59 AM
Subject: Re:Jodhpurs ( was Re: [F-Costume] Steampunk Jacket Lining...

 
Not steampunk per se (but could be) - I'd like to do an Amelia Earhart -
style aviator outfit and can't find ready-made jodhpurs, with the baggy
sides. Has anyone come across a vintage pattern?

Thanks,
Nelly

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On the amazing Vintage Sewing website may be found this chapter on the drafting
of trousers patterns: <http://www.vintagesewing.info/1940s/4x-lgcm/lgcm-15.html>
The jodhpur styles start with Riding Breeches about 80% down the page.

Ann in CT

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Mentor, Nelly A <namentor@...> wrote:


> Not steampunk per se (but could be) -
> I'd like to do an Amelia Earhart -
> style aviator outfit and can't find ready-made jodhpurs,
> with the baggy
> sides.  Has anyone come across a vintage pattern?
>
> Nelly

Sportsmen's Guide carries a couple of styles - they're military surplus -

<http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/4-new-east-german-military-riding-pants-g\
ray.aspx?a=561546>
(grey)

or

<http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/new-italian-military-wool-riding-pantsoli\
ve-drab.aspx?a=511204>
(olive drab)

HTH,
Sandy

At 08:13 AM 11/11/2009, you wrote:

>Not steampunk per se (but could be) - I'd like to do an Amelia Earhart -
>style aviator outfit and can't find ready-made jodhpurs, with the baggy
>sides. Has anyone come across a vintage pattern?
>
>Thanks,
>Nelly

"Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -
Why They Are Simply Doomed."

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"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C. Y. 4971

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