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At 11:54 PM 8/30/2009, you wrote:
A number of years ago, Steve Swope used one of those wooden snakes,
the ones with the articulation, as the core of his tail. It kept the
tail up and swinging back and forth. Very convincing.

Pierre
>
>
>Cord/wire attached to each side of the tail, attached to bicycle
>brake type cables that run from the wrist. Squeeze the activator,
>tighten that side of the tail and it lashes to one side.
>
> > > A friend of mine is thinking of a devil costume with a
> prehensile tail for Halloween. Anyone got any suggestions for how
> to make the tail move?

"Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -
Why They Are Simply Doomed."

Achemdro'hm
"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

I need some help figuring out how to construct this back part of the coat. 
Here's a picture with some markings of what I'm talking about:
http://i27.tinypic.com/1zxr2ib.jpg

It's the part circled in red that I can't seem to figure out how it fits in with
everything else.  I understand the pleats on the skirt, and what's highlighted
in green is all one piece.  But is that bit circled in red an extension of the
skirt, or maybe part of the center back/tail, or is it another piece all by
itself?  The skirt and the tail have to be attached, so that makes fitting in
this extra piece more confusing.  And if it is part of the skirt, is the skirt
piece still rectangular on that end, or are there some special angles cut into
there to make that work?  This is why I need some help.

  - Jeffrey

(long reply ahead, teaching content involved.)

  >> I need some help figuring out how to construct this back part of the
coat. Here's a picture with some markings of what I'm talking about:
<http://i27.tinypic.com/1zxr2ib.jpg>

Don't feel back about it... I hadn't a clue either... but was in the
mood for a challenge.

Since the search did take a couple of hours (but hey, new knowledge is
always good), I'm going to explain how I found it soooooooooo folks can
do like searches in the future. I was thinking best I could do would be
able to find a line drawing of a commercial pattern...   so I went to
our friend Google... and started with variations of "British Military
Uniforms" because I though that's where I'd seen the detailing.
Anyway... fumbling though their suggestions on variation of History (to
get rid of the modern) and frock coat (with and w/o spacing), went to
Tail Coat even though that's the wrong term... BUT... follow Google's
suggestions... they take you places, good places.   The links sent me to
a cosplay board... and then back to a site we don't mention often
enough... Costumer's Manifesto ( www.costumes.org ).  They're a great
place to go for an intro look into a historic period and then some deep
and fab info that expands on that overview.  One warning, they may have
more pages than we do.

Anyway... on to the discovery that's already been bookmarked,
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/1893to1898cuttersguide.htm
.  The Cutter's Practical Guide to Cutting Every Kind of Garment Made,
1893-1898 by W. D. F. Vincent .     And ya know... for once... the title
claim is not an exaggerations.   The book itself is out of print, but
there are scans available.   (I want a hard copy!!!!!)  OK.... Snoopy
happy dance over... search tips bit over... on to da question.

*/
/*http://i27.tinypic.com/1zxr2ib.jpg
<http://i27.tinypic.com/1zxr2ib.jpg>  It's the part circled in red that
I can't seem to figure out how it fits in with everything else. I
understand the pleats on the skirt, and what's highlighted in green is
all one piece. But is that bit circled in red an extension of the skirt,
or maybe part of the center back/tail, or is it another piece all by
itself? The skirt and the tail have to be attached, so that makes
fitting in this extra piece more confusing. And if it is part of the
skirt, is the skirt piece still rectangular on that end, or are there
some special angles cut into there to make that work?

On the link above... look at Part 13, The Cutter's Practical Guide to
Cutting & Making all kinds of British Military Uniforms.
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/index.htm or
the whole 8 plus megs in one gulp,
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/pdf/13_00_vol13.pdf .

Some vocabulary:
- The jacket is called a "tunic" most times, though sometimes "doublet"
- The lower section of the tunic below the waist is the "skirt"
- The upper section of the tunic is the "body"
-  That fun bit with the points, is a "sword flap"

See the "sword flap" inserted into coat detail on page 8.... it's a
double point, but same thing.  It shows extra seams in the tunic skirt
to insert the small piece that has the sword flap.  The whole skirt is
then attached to the body.  In this example there's about 1" that shows
clear.  Since Tristan's skirt is more flared, it's probably much
narrower at the join of the body and skirt.  (Note, it also talked about
the flap being shorter than the rest of the skirt... we talked about
this before when talking about Tristan's coat).  More on page 9.

Page 8,
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_08.htm
Page 9,
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_09.htm

The extra gem is on page 13,
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_13.htm

The pattern piece is laid on sideways on the coat pattern.  Note the
letters show the join points at the center back.

Hope that helps w/ your basic question.

******************************
To anyone who's still reading... part two of the mail is coming latter
this afternoon... basically... why you want to bookmark this scanned
book... if you care about fitting or tailoring...  or steampunk (yea,
seriously).

More later... I'm having too much fun going though the books right now.

-Cat-

OMG Cat where was this fabu piece of research before Dragon Con!! Love it!
Thanks. I am so going to read every bit of it!

Sheree Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might
as well dance!




________________________________
From: Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@...>
To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 4:59:47 PM
Subject: Re: [F-Costume] Re: Stardust - Tristan's Costume

 
(long reply ahead, teaching content involved.)

>> I need some help figuring out how to construct this back part of the
coat. Here's a picture with some markings of what I'm talking about:
<http://i27.tinypic. com/1zxr2ib. jpg>

Don't feel back about it... I hadn't a clue either... but was in the
mood for a challenge.

Since the search did take a couple of hours (but hey, new knowledge is
always good), I'm going to explain how I found it soooooooooo folks can
do like searches in the future. I was thinking best I could do would be
able to find a line drawing of a commercial pattern... so I went to
our friend Google... and started with variations of "British Military
Uniforms" because I though that's where I'd seen the detailing.
Anyway... fumbling though their suggestions on variation of History (to
get rid of the modern) and frock coat (with and w/o spacing), went to
Tail Coat even though that's the wrong term... BUT... follow Google's
suggestions. .. they take you places, good places. The links sent me to
a cosplay board... and then back to a site we don't mention often
enough... Costumer's Manifesto ( www.costumes. org ). They're a great
place to go for an intro look into a historic period and then some deep
and fab info that expands on that overview. One warning, they may have
more pages than we do.

Anyway... on to the discovery that's already been bookmarked,
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/1893to1898cuttersguide.htm
. The Cutter's Practical Guide to Cutting Every Kind of Garment Made,
1893-1898 by W. D. F. Vincent . And ya know... for once... the title
claim is not an exaggerations. The book itself is out of print, but
there are scans available. (I want a hard copy!!!!!) OK.... Snoopy
happy dance over... search tips bit over... on to da question.

*/
/*http://i27.tinypic. com/1zxr2ib. jpg
<http://i27.tinypic. com/1zxr2ib. jpg> It's the part circled in red that
I can't seem to figure out how it fits in with everything else. I
understand the pleats on the skirt, and what's highlighted in green is
all one piece. But is that bit circled in red an extension of the skirt,
or maybe part of the center back/tail, or is it another piece all by
itself? The skirt and the tail have to be attached, so that makes
fitting in this extra piece more confusing. And if it is part of the
skirt, is the skirt piece still rectangular on that end, or are there
some special angles cut into there to make that work?

On the link above... look at Part 13, The Cutter's Practical Guide to
Cutting & Making all kinds of British Military Uniforms.
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/index.htm or
the whole 8 plus megs in one gulp,
http://www.costumes .org/history/ victorian/ CPG/13/pdf/ 13_00_vol13. pdf .

Some vocabulary:
- The jacket is called a "tunic" most times, though sometimes "doublet"
- The lower section of the tunic below the waist is the "skirt"
- The upper section of the tunic is the "body"
- That fun bit with the points, is a "sword flap"

See the "sword flap" inserted into coat detail on page 8.... it's a
double point, but same thing. It shows extra seams in the tunic skirt
to insert the small piece that has the sword flap. The whole skirt is
then attached to the body. In this example there's about 1" that shows
clear. Since Tristan's skirt is more flared, it's probably much
narrower at the join of the body and skirt. (Note, it also talked about
the flap being shorter than the rest of the skirt... we talked about
this before when talking about Tristan's coat). More on page 9.

Page 8,
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_08.htm
Page 9,
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_09.htm

The extra gem is on page 13,
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_13.htm

The pattern piece is laid on sideways on the coat pattern. Note the
letters show the join points at the center back.

Hope that helps w/ your basic question.

************ ********* *********
To anyone who's still reading... part two of the mail is coming latter
this afternoon... basically... why you want to bookmark this scanned
book... if you care about fitting or tailoring... or steampunk (yea,
seriously).

More later... I'm having too much fun going though the books right now.

-Cat-







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WOW, what a fabboo resource! I notice that in each case it has the
actual draft, how to draw each pattern piece to your measurements, so
you aren't stuck with just blowing up a single size and hoping it fits you.

Cat Devereaux wrote:
>
>
> (long reply ahead, teaching content involved.)
>
[snip]

Actually the title is to just get folks to read this continuation of the
last message... but I really am going to talk about Steampunk design tips.

Book link:
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/1893to1898cuttersguide.htm
*The Cutter's Practical Guide 1893-1898/ by W. D. F. Vincent

/*To continue talking about part 13, the making of British Military
Uniforms, skim the pictures... there are all kinds of braid, cuff,
collar examples to inspire you to make any pattern that's vaguely
Victorian, more Victorian, more snazzed up.  (Heck, I'm adding this kind
of braiding to a store bought jacket.)  You can pick up a basic
coat/vest in a thrift shop... and convert it.


OK... now some notes on other parts... in no particular rambling order...

Part 10:  http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/10/gallery/index.htm

First yummy part, fitting a vest.   Why should  you care??? Two reasons.

For Steampunk, lots of neat shapes for vests, excuse me waist coats, and
you can see the pattern shapes.
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/10/gallery/pages/10_02.htm
Take a vest that kinds fits you, tweak the pattern pieces making
shoulders wider, adding a collar, changing the buttoning in front, etc.
By seeing the pattern pieces, even if they look so weirdly shaped, you
know you're on the right path.
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/10/gallery/pages/10_30.htm

And then note what that section is actually showing... wrinkles and
where you should adjust fit wise!!!!!   Hey, this isn't just for vest...
it's for regular jackets, dresses... the wrinkles are in the same
place.  You can see where the fabric is added and where it's taken
away.  Yes, you can buy this in current books, but... this is free and
as close as a bookmark away.

What's also cool... the vest section, just like the uniforms section
talks about acomidating different sizes... ie mods for plus size
patterning, and other non standard shapping.

What is fun is also reading the listing and details for the morning
version, vs. evening vs. court, verse job type.  Amazing amount of
details.  Not only is it good to know when you're making a historical
garment... but it you're going the opposite direction, picking a style
and trying to figure out your Steampunk character, what you're chosing,
you can give yourself an idea based on what you're wearing.  ;-)

*************************************
All about coats: http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/1893cutters2a.htm
Lots of detail about the arm scye, ease.  The text really helps you with
fit because it's not just talking about the measurements, but how the
measurements work together with scale on your body.  Frustratingly the
pics are separate from most of the text, and you can't just hit next.
BUT, worth it. This section has wonderfully detailed instructions on how
to apply the measurements and considerations to fit and shape.
*****************************
trousers: http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/3/gallery/index.htm

Layout is easier to browse.
Lots of details on how to make the seat work, the build up you need for
suspenders to work right.  All the bits of inner lining for pockets, how
to do a button front fly in total with options of single, double, full
front, all kinds of detail, trouser legs, including how to make popper
bell bottoms. !!!!

If you're obsessive with fit... he gets down into the details.  Shows
the skeleton structure and how it fits.  Show how the body flexes in
sitting and bending.   He goes into a bit on grading a pattern,
different cutting systems.  Your eyeballs with  spin, or if you're into
details, you'll fall in lust.

Also patterning tips for riding breaches. Patterns for knickerbockers
and also spats and gators (think boot covers, but these are the original
ones).  There's a military pattern version of a highland kilt,

Fun page, the different shapes of the coat skirt:
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/1893cutterspractguide/10.jpg
from a morning to a frock coat to tails, to livery... all together in
one page to look at the shape.
**************************************************
Part 9: Various Kinds of Robes, Gowns, Surplices, Hoods, Vestments :
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/1898cuttersguide9c.htm I almost
skipped.   The first part looks more like regular coat jackets, but then
you get into things that are good for costumes again.  There's the
section on academic robes that got all kinds of fun shapes and
decorations, as well as how to make those tight perfect pleats you see
on judges and graduation robes.

There's also a fair bit of clerical detail... but even more in section
12: http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/12/gallery/index.htm

This also has clerical cloaks and also has "solicitor robes" (ie garb
for lawyers - eek, that brings up some thoughts for scary costumes.)
Some of the pattern shapes are odd, it's nice to have the diagrams.

************************************
Shirts... part 11:
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/c1898cuttersguide11a.htm

All kinds of shirts and how to measure and ease.
Collar and cuff styles:
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/cutterspracticalguide10_11/gallery/pag\
es/11_23.htm
It's a joy.  All the little bits of modification.  detached or just
convert to a sewn on version.
Also, bits of pajamas, robes (those are silly), a surprise set of
pattern -- combinations (jumpsuit), overalls.   They're just quick
patterns, you need to go to other sections for more details on how to
work the measurements, etc.

*************************************************
I almost skipped 9... looked so boring at first.  Full title: The
Cutter's Practical Guide to Jacket Cutting and Making, Embracing
Lounges, Reefers & Patrol Jackets, in all their Varieties, Also
Including the Cutting and Making of Robes and Gown
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/1898cuttersguide9a.htm

That really looses something in the translation to modern English.   The
basic part cover something closer to a modern suit jacket (with no
fitting seams in front and back).   OK, so the first part is rather
boring standard Victorian... then... wonderful stuff for Steampunk ideas.

The belted Norfolk jackets;
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/cutterspt9/33.jpg  Described
as for cycling and the sportsman w/ a gun.  (Can it be a plasma gun?)
http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/cutterspt9/35.jpg

Highland Jacket pattern, and Highland Dress Jacket patterns.

Various fun sporting options for your Steampunk character.

***********************************
Anyway... just some fun reading... give you some ideas for Halloween.
Use these pages to help decorate and modify current clothing.

-Cat-

Thank you so much for taking your time to find this!  I'll have to take some
time later to really read over it and understand all of what's being described,
but this seems like the right direction to go in.  And now with this site, I'll
be sure to also look up other parts I'm still not quite sure about.

Thanks again. :)

  - Jeffrey

--- In F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, Cat Devereaux <CatDevereaux@...> wrote:
>
> (long reply ahead, teaching content involved.)
>
> [...]
>
> On the link above... look at Part 13, The Cutter's Practical Guide to
> Cutting & Making all kinds of British Military Uniforms.
> http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/index.htm or
> the whole 8 plus megs in one gulp,
> http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/pdf/13_00_vol13.pdf .
>
> Some vocabulary:
> - The jacket is called a "tunic" most times, though sometimes "doublet"
> - The lower section of the tunic below the waist is the "skirt"
> - The upper section of the tunic is the "body"
> -  That fun bit with the points, is a "sword flap"
>
> See the "sword flap" inserted into coat detail on page 8.... it's a
> double point, but same thing.  It shows extra seams in the tunic skirt
> to insert the small piece that has the sword flap.  The whole skirt is
> then attached to the body.  In this example there's about 1" that shows
> clear.  Since Tristan's skirt is more flared, it's probably much
> narrower at the join of the body and skirt.  (Note, it also talked about
> the flap being shorter than the rest of the skirt... we talked about
> this before when talking about Tristan's coat).  More on page 9.
>
> Page 8,
> http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_08.htm
> Page 9,
> http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_09.htm
>
> The extra gem is on page 13,
> http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/CPG/13/gallery/pages/13_13.htm
>
> The pattern piece is laid on sideways on the coat pattern.  Note the
> letters show the join points at the center back.
>
> Hope that helps w/ your basic question.
>
> [...]
>
> -Cat-
>

>> Thank you so much for taking your time to find this!

It was fun... even if it sucked up the better part of the day...  It had
been quite a while since I'd looked at that book.  Filed in my brain
under Historic, Guys, and then promptly dismissed.  BUT, when Steampunk
being hot, whole sections become interesting for style and decoration.

I may have to dig past the dust into some of my books from that era.
Dover reprints a lot of those book.  Stuff like the reprints of the
Sears catalog are just delicious for ideas.  A big discovery is how many
trims are STILL created today, even if they're in different fibers..

  >> I'll have to take some time later to really read over it and
understand all of what's being described, but this seems like the right
direction to go in. And now with this site, I'll be sure to also look up
other parts I'm still not quite sure about.

Sounds good.   I just skimmed it, sections of it are good for womens
fittings as well... since the best reference for women,
www.vintagesewing.org (1040's section), presents a lot of the same
information much faster and more condesnced.  It causes my eyes to
spin... so someone trying to graduate up from patterns might want to
start with these books, and then hit the pattern mods in the 1940 books.

-Cat-

OK... I stumbled across a really dangerous website reading the back of
the card of gears I bought at Michale's Crafts (over by scrapbooking)
http://www.timholtz.com/  Head over to the "idea-ology" section and then
the demos.  A number of the scrapbook demos can be adapted to decorating
your fabric.

Quick side note for steampunk gears and watch bits: The idea-ology
findings, http://www.timholtz.com/findings.htm , are great for
accessories Steampunk.  E-bay may be good for odering small gears, but
medium size gears (well, single side pressed shapes of gears and keys)
are cheaper as modern findings.  Large size?  Without breaking the bank,
try picking up the laser cut wood pieces on etsy.com instead.

There are lots of demos across the set of sites you'll find following
the links.  Fun stuff.  (And no, it won't eat quite the whole weekend
like last weeks links, but you could easily loose an afternoon as you
dig though the demos.... but there's nice knowledge there among the
sales pitches.)

Tips and sugestions, inks, acrylic paints, pens etc:
http://www.rangerink.com/tips/tips_fabric.htm .  Note, some of the
acrylic paints listed here DO NOT need to be mixed w/ fabric medium
first.  The inks are much more translucent.  Note, some to need to be
heat set... but work quiet well on polly cotton mixes.

For props, their alcohol inks will print of non-porous surfaces... ie
metal, glass, etc.  you can colorized your eyelets and other metal
pieces, or scrunge up a prop   http://www.timholtz.com/vid_aitech.htm


WARNING: a lot of the videos are trying to sell you things.... so watch
with your wallet closed and realize that you may be able to sub brands
and still use the same techniques. Try to ignore the commercial parts
and you'll get some great techniques.  Test.  Test.  Test.   And that's
even if you're using the products they advertise here, or subbing


Anyway... just some fun stuff for your Sunday browsing.

-Cat-

a great find Cat! hmmn...steampunk orcs?
--
   Jules

>> hmmn...steampunk orcs?

They're already doing steampunk pirates, hobbits and orcs are next.

At least on the West Coast there's a buildup and a mix..   Ren faires,
while fun are getting to be old hat.  So, there are numbers w/ a pirate
twist and longer running Victorian Fairs are picking up interest.  Both,
can go towards steampunk.

The fun part is you can make pin-on, snap-on, lace-on accessories that
change out the look between something more movie or historical accurate,
then over towards steam punk.  Change a hat band, tie pin, vest fabric,
a tie/scarf/belt, add an accessory, and goggles, and voi-la.

It's just fun to be twisted.  Oh, and don't forget to mix a bit of goth,
or anything vintage.

Fun, fun.

-Cat-

We are adding costume videos to our website.  We are looking for volunteer
beta-testers who can check the video areas.  I am specifically looking for
volunteers who have dial-up connections and/or RAM lower than a gig.

In return for volunteering, I am offering a free subscription to our Library
website, www.costumelibrary.com that will be good until Oct. 31.

If you are interested in volunteering, please email me privately and let me know
what type of internet connection and the amount of RAM that your computer has.

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history

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I have a collection of vintage* lace, trims, linens and fabric that my
mom had collected for dressing dolls she made years ago.  I ended up
with the collection when she moved to a much smaller place.  There is
more stuff than I'll ever use.  *some is semi modern (60's - 80's)

If someone could also help me on how to price such items I'd greatly
appreciate it.  I do not have the time or patience to try to do e-bay
and such.

Things can go in random lots or as one large one.  There is at least 3
copy paper sized boxes of it, I have yet to get it all collected in one
place.

     Jeanine

>>I have a collection of vintage* lace, trims, linens and fabric ... If
someone could also help me on how to price such items I'd greatly
appreciate it. I do not have the time or patience to try to do e-bay
and such.

The trick is... that if you don't know the price.  e-bay is best for
letting the market find the price.  Something like www.etsy.com is a
less crowded area.  They sell mostly made items, but supplies are also
sold... and more likely to go to a good home.

The trick for either of these is photography.  It can make all the
differences in a sale.  One fast trick folks have been doing for lots of
bits of stuff is laying things out on a sheet of paper, putting a number
next to it and then photographing all the bits in sets... then trimming
the photos apart w/ a photo program.  While you need a sharp picture,
the modern camera can take really big files.

The other thing that helps is working on a good choice of keywords for
what the bits can be used as.

-Cat-

Today's Project Runway's was a costume for a film genre.  I was
disappointed...come on, the winner was a snow/ice queen.  Friday, check PR's
website for Rate the Runway to see details of the costumes:
http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/shows/project-runway .  If you missed the
episode, you can watch them on Lifetime's website.

The snow queens costumes from Costume-Con & Balticon were so much better:
http://www.costumegallery.com/Balticon/2009/page2.htm  There are six different
snow queens.  Click on the thumbnails for enlargements.  BTW, all the snow
queens were part of a skit called Steampunk Costume-Con 1889.   Their costumes
were made well!  The steampunk details were great!

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history

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Snow Queens!!!!!

Love the ice and glitter.   Here's two more Snow Queens:
http://www.alleycatscratch.com/costumes/SnowQueen.htm

Mine's obsessively after the Lenox figurine. (No time limit, and
budget?  What budget.  Must have more shinnie.)

Boba's use Lenox as a starting point when she made her daughter's
carnival costume... but needed it much lighter and able to handle Carnival.

-Cat-

Cat,

What a cool idea to recreate a figurine's costume!  It looks great!  Maybe you
should have been on Project Runway and you would have won the challenge tonight!

What was really sad was that the PR judges, one who is a costume designer,
thought that the snow queen was the best.

There is one PR contestant that has a background as a vintage clothing designer.
I thought her idea was good...recreate a 1940s film costume attempt at the 1920s
costume history.  Actually hers costume was spot on.  I guess it was too deep
for the judges for the judges to understand.

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history


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>> What a cool idea to recreate a figurine's costume!

It what happens when you're in a non-walking cast and have to keep the
@#$@$ leg propped above your heart and the only comfortable spot on the
couch is staring backwards.... right at the figurine.... for too much of
6 weeks.  It became an obsession.... down and below the level of detail
on it.

  >>  It looks great!

Thanks bunches.  I had a blast.  Year plus obsession including re-makes
after a test run.

  >> Maybe you should have been on Project Runway and you would have won
the challenge tonight!

Barf!  I did my dues in slash and burn during college and the first 5
years after it.  I already know I can make a slew of costumes w/ no time
and no budget that will last just as long as needed (and not a second
more because there isn't 2 more cents out there to make them anybetter.)
   Then I discovered the ICG and how much more fun detail obsession was.
(Didn't really mean more sleep, but more satisfying.)

  >> What was really sad was that the PR judges, one who is a costume
designer, thought that the snow queen was the best. There is one PR
contestant that has a background as a vintage clothing designer. I
thought her idea was good...recreate a 1940s film costume attempt at the
1920s costume history. Actually hers costume was spot on. I guess it was
too deep for the judges for the judges to understand.

So, you said that comes out Friday???  Will have to check back on the
web them.  Sounds interesting.  Don't watch the show any more.

-Cat-

Cat,

Check Friday night on the PR website and see if they have episode six online.  I
just checked and it is not online yet.

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history


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Could you let me know which episode (of what season)? So I can
download, so I can see it too? (I'm not in the US, so don't get it here)
Thanks!
Arwen

At 06:55 25-9-2009, you wrote:
>
>
>Today's Project Runway's was a costume for a film genre. I was
>disappointed...come on, the winner was a snow/ice queen. Friday,
>check PR's website for Rate the Runway to see details of the costumes:
><http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/shows/project-runway>http://www.mylifetime.com\
/on-tv/shows/project-runway
>. If you missed the episode, you can watch them on Lifetime's website.
>
>The snow queens costumes from Costume-Con & Balticon were so much better:
><http://www.costumegallery.com/Balticon/2009/page2.htm>http://www.costumegaller\
y.com/Balticon/2009/page2.htm
>There are six different snow queens. Click on the thumbnails for
>enlargements. BTW, all the snow queens were part of a skit called
>Steampunk Costume-Con 1889. Their costumes were made well! The
>steampunk details were great!
>
>Penny Ladnier
>Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
>www.costumegallery.com
>11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history
>
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>
>


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I thought the results were lame too.  The newspaper challenge produced the
best work so far.

The judging this season has been rather erratic with the rotating judges.  I
got the impression from this week's challenge that it was really important
to make the clothing look like a "fashion" peice rather then what we would
consider a costume, based on the raves for Christopher's peice (which I
thought would win).

Anyway, I thought Louise Black was going to go, even though I had hopes for
her staying a while.  Ra'mon had looked like one of the contenders, so I was
surprised.

At Dragoncon this year a ran into a woman, Heather Luca, is a
Steampunk/corset maker (Scoundrelle's Keep,
http://www.scoundrelleskeep.com/).

She knows Louis Black.  Louise Black is sort-of one of "us".

Check out her portfolio pics
http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/shows/project-runway/project-runway-portfolios
all her pictures, even before Runway
http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/shows/project-runway/project-runway-designers/lo\
uise-black/louise-black-photos

Her website:
http://louiseblack.squarespace.com/

Corset from her etsy store.
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=30650432

I don't think she can win, unless she got a clue from this week's contest,
and gets more fashonistic.

Susan T


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Arwen,

It is episode 6 of season 6.

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history


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I'm trying to post more bits and things to check out around the web...
enjoy. (If  you'd like to get a conversation going on any of these, go
ahead and re-label the message thread.)

Thai Silks as a 25% sale going on though the end of the month.
http://www.thaisilks.com/   Watch out. It's a dangerous website.  Lots
of yummy stuff.

********************************************
A couple things from Costumer's Guide: http://www.costumersguide.com/

If you're into the "Breathe" dress from "Ever After", Maggie has been
contacted by the dress creator,  Jane Law.   She's got some new
information and an opportunity to submit a set of questions.  And, some
pics of the dress in pristine condition.  Check out the website:
http://www.everaftercostumes.com/

*******************************************
Maggie also lists a couple of very good links Twilight Costumes, both
blogs... but lots of yummy links.
- Documenting: http://bellaforbiddenedward.blogspot.com/
- Finding the bought clothing: http://natsuame.livejournal.com/

Remember that Maggie's site also has the best Assemblage of the new
Alice in Wonderland costumes:
http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_alice.shtml .  They've been on exhibit
already, so you can start making yours for the opening.

***************************************************************
Those of you into early historic costume, or just like bright shinny
things...  There's been a large horde of gold items discovered in the UK.
- http://www.alleycatscratch.com/movie/Costume_Links.htm
- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8272448.stm
- and they were excited when they were just finding this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8272856.stm

**************************************
I've been updating our Movie Costume Links:
http://www.alleycatscratch.com/movie/Costume_Links.htm

If you've been researching a movie costume and have come up with a good
research site... multi-costume, or specific costume, please share your
sources w/ the rest of us.  I'll add it.

Also, if you're on a geo-city web, please let us know where you're
moving to... or if you see a moving notice, let us know.  We'd hate to
loose those good resources.


Hey, you've got all weekend to play w/ the links...

-Cat-

Am helping a friend make a student film and need some help making a space suit
costume. We have a full spandex body suit as a base but we need to add some
"body pannels" to it. We were thinking of using a material called plasti-dip(
it's a liquid vinyl/ plastic substance) so we could paint them on instead of
vaccuming forming some--does anyone know of a better product or have any ideas
of somthing else that we could use?

bobby wrote:
> Am helping a friend make a student film and need some help making a space suit
costume. We have a full spandex body suit as a base but we need to add some
"body pannels" to it. We were thinking of using a material called plasti-dip(
it's a liquid vinyl/ plastic substance) so we could paint them on instead of
vaccuming forming some--does anyone know of a better product or have any ideas
of somthing else that we could use?
>
I wouldn't use plasti-dip. How about craft foam, and cutting the panels
out and attaching them to the bodysuit?

andy

Andrew T Trembley wrote:
>
>
> bobby wrote:
>  > Am helping a friend make a student film and need some help making a
> space suit costume. We have a full spandex body suit as a base but we
> need to add some "body pannels" to it. We were thinking of using a
> material called plasti-dip( it's a liquid vinyl/ plastic substance) so
> we could paint them on instead of vaccuming forming some--does anyone
> know of a better product or have any ideas of somthing else that we
> could use?
>  >
> I wouldn't use plasti-dip. How about craft foam, and cutting the panels
> out and attaching them to the bodysuit?
>
> andy
>
that seems like a good idea, or if you can find the shiny silver fabric
they make ironing board covers out of, sometimes a good fabric store has
that on a bolt. Also look among the rolls of vinyl-backed table cloth
fabrics, there may be some of the clear vinyl that you can cut and sew
almost like cloth, or layer over cloth to make it more shiny.

Vinyl placemats.

Sandy

At 10:10 PM 9/25/2009, you wrote:

>Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> >
> > bobby wrote:
> > > Am helping a friend make a student film and need some help making a
> > space suit costume. We have a full spandex body suit as a base but we
> > need to add some "body pannels" to it. We were thinking of using a
> > material called plasti-dip( it's a liquid vinyl/ plastic substance) so
> > we could paint them on instead of vaccuming forming some--does anyone
> > know of a better product or have any ideas of somthing else that we
> > could use?
> > >
> > I wouldn't use plasti-dip. How about craft foam, and cutting the panels
> > out and attaching them to the bodysuit?
> >
> > andy
> >
>that seems like a good idea, or if you can find the shiny silver fabric
>they make ironing board covers out of, sometimes a good fabric store has
>that on a bolt. Also look among the rolls of vinyl-backed table cloth
>fabrics, there may be some of the clear vinyl that you can cut and sew
>almost like cloth, or layer over cloth to make it more shiny.

"Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -
Why They Are Simply Doomed."

Achemdro'hm
"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

>>Am helping a friend make a student film and need some help making a
space suit costume. We have a full spandex body suit as a base but we
need to add some "body panels" to it.

Fun foam and place mats have a one-way curve. Box cardboard can be used
under them to help shape.  Instead of trying to hide the seaming, you
can pick up some of the dayglo duct tape they've got now a days, or even
some of the silver tape from hardware stores.

  If you need something rounded, you'll have to go to wonder flex or do
it the old fashion gooie way, w/ paper machete.  Or... check out a
hardware store, or the cooking isle and try on shapes.  Costumers do
thinks like try out colanders and lampshades and trash baskets.  Look
for shapes.

Add extra detail with plastic bits, cut up milk cartons, old printer
cartages, bottle caps, spaghetti shapes.  The air dry kids clay can do
even fancier things... like help you create stampled textures.

Here's some of the cheats from our site:
http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/Armor/ArmorCheats.htm
I need to fix some of the foam links.  If you need any of the Jedi Elven
Queen links... she's now here on her own url: http://www.jedielfqueen.com/

For Wonderflex: http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/tutorials.php?id=2  has
tutorials and tips


You didn't mention budget or time or how sturdy this needs to be... or
how much time you have for the build.  Each of these will effect what
you're trying to do, and how good you can get the look.   Though, time
and budget are always a crunch on student films.  <G>   Think about how
you're going to shoot the spacesuit.  Concentrate your detail in that
area, ie, most is chest and above.  Think about how much of the back you
will show... from what level?

Something else to keep in mind... if you're using a spandex suit... all
the suggested methods above DO NOT stretch.  So, don't attach them
directly.  However, you can rig up some belting or strapping that allows
you to anchored the "hard" pieces of the spacesuit in place.   BTW, you
can use fun foam for belting, if you can't afford to buy bits of
strapping.  Buckles won't look real sci-fi, unless you're going grunge
or steampunk.  Use paper brads to fake snaps.  Just make sure their feet
are long enough to go though the two layers of foam.  A lot of the brads
now a days that are used in scrapbooking are only ment to go though a
few sheaths of paper.

If you need air hoses, depending on width, you can use used-vacuumed
hose, those spiral cable organizers, fatter extension cords.   Keep your
mind open for shapes.

Hope these tips get you started.  Feel free to ask more as you go along.

Share pics when you're done.

-Cat-

Cat Devereaux wrote:

>  Or... check out a
> hardware store, or the cooking isle and try on shapes.  Costumers do
> thinks like try out colanders and lampshades and trash baskets.  Look
> for shapes.
>

	 and remember that old movies and tv shows often used baking dishes:
muffin tins, meatloaf pans..... and dryer venting is good for the
flexible joints- even comes with screw on collars.

	 -Judy