Hi John I don't think anyone is saying that learning phonics leads to knowing English :) The sequence is phonics -> reading -> input -> acquisition Phonics is...
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laura_kate36
Feb 28, 2011 8:29 am
John, I doubt anyone on this list believes that teaching phonics results in students learning to speak English. Phonics is merely a part of a teaching English...
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laura_kate36
Feb 28, 2011 8:29 am
... John, I doubt anyone on this list believes that teaching phonics results in students learning to speak English. Phonics is merely a part of a teaching...
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langeegnal
Feb 28, 2011 8:40 am
I found an article that has a section labeled, Justifications for explicit lexical instruction and learning that was very informative and cited a lot of...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 28, 2011 8:51 am
Hi Dave, Thanks for the question. No, they didn't need to read the whole book, that wasn't necessary. They only had to read for 20 minutes extensively and this...
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Glen Hill
atsubetsutea...
Feb 28, 2011 9:12 am
Kriss wrote: Teaching vocabulary that students encounter in a graded reader is probably more effective and efficient. My next question is when to do it -...
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dk
davkees
Feb 28, 2011 10:32 am
"It makes a strong case for using both explicit and implicit instruction for vocabulary acquisition." But let's first get things in perspective. 1. Vocabulary...
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dk
davkees
Feb 28, 2011 10:32 am
You say: “From a research design perspective, it was important that she make sure that the words in the ER text were high frequency substitutes. It would be...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 28, 2011 11:33 am
Dave, Yes, that is the nature of reading. Some words appear all the time and others only once. It is irrelevant to the design whether they read the whole thing...
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Brett Reynolds
brettetj
Feb 28, 2011 11:35 am
... Hi, Dave I'm curious about what you would do if you were being shipped out to, say, the Czech republic in six months (I'm assuming you don't speak the...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 28, 2011 12:08 pm
Dave, You are trying to frame this discussion into a black-and-white, winner-takes-all debate and it's not like that at all. Horses for courses. Balance. We...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 28, 2011 12:10 pm
Dave, Do you own a dictionary? Do you believe in them? Rob Skype: waring_robert http://www.robwaring.org/er/index.html The First Extensive Reading World...
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langeegnal
Feb 28, 2011 12:24 pm
Glenski, I was coming from the standpoint that having the learner struggle with the language is what we want! Is language learning simply memorizing bits of...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 28, 2011 12:47 pm
Hello all, On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:24 PM, langeegnal wrote: I was wondering what evidence do we have that suggests explicit discrete teaching may not contribute...
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Kriss Lange
langeegnal
Feb 28, 2011 1:46 pm
Rob, Perhaps I don't understand the learning/acquisition hypothesis the way that you do (sorry if I've got it wrong). As far as I can tell from Krashen's ...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 28, 2011 1:51 pm
Kriss, I think rather than I talk for the learning/acquisition proposers, it's best they talk for themselves. Would anyone who believes in this distinction...
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laura_kate36
Feb 28, 2011 2:27 pm
I'm not sure how qualified I am to comment, but I have pondered this statement before. ... Essentially I would agree, but I don't believe that 'learned'...
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Glen Hill
atsubetsutea...
Feb 28, 2011 3:40 pm
Kriss, Again, you're going to get some very late-night thoughts from me, so I hope I can make them coherent. I think I had a feeling about what you might have...
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Mark Brierley
mark13867
Feb 28, 2011 3:44 pm
Hi Rob, I have not read the Elgort study so can't comment on it. It sounds interesting and I'd love to read it. If we're just talking about the...
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Warren Ediger
wediger
Feb 28, 2011 4:02 pm
Mark - I believe your starting premise to be false: a hypothesis is a testable statement (explanation). Warren ... From: Mark Brierley <mark2@...> ...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 28, 2011 4:45 pm
Thanks for that Laura, I've noticed this in my own learning, but I wouldn't label it the same way you do. So in your opinion do you feel that this is a clear...
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Glenski
atsubetsutea...
Feb 28, 2011 11:46 pm
In my emailbox this morning, I got my copy of the Wiley Online Library's The Modern Language Journal. First article was this: The Percentage of Words Known in...
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Laura Macfarlane
laura_kate36
Feb 28, 2011 11:48 pm
Hi Rob, This is a level of discussion I've never participated in, and thus a bit above my head I fear. Also, as you state, where is the evidence to support our...
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laura_kate36
Mar 1, 2011 12:08 am
I was just thinking about this learning vs acquisition question and thought of another telling anecdote (anecdotes are all I have for you, Rob!). I think I may...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Mar 1, 2011 12:56 am
Laura, Thanks so much for those insights. I think you are giving us a perfect example of the fuzziness of language learning (used in the layman sense). It can...
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Mark Brierley
mark13867
Mar 1, 2011 1:03 am
First, Warren, You are correct that a hypothesis is a testable statement. I maintain that a scientific hypothesis USUALLY cannot be proved correct, but can...
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langeegnal
Mar 1, 2011 5:26 am
Glenski, Thanks for the post. I agree that it would be nice to get advice and comments about what works from other teachers. I kind of get wrapped up in...
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Glen Hill
atsubetsutea...
Mar 1, 2011 6:04 am
Kriss wrote: I see that CI plus direct vocab learning can be good but I wonder how much of it we need to enhance the CI (the less the better). Well, that is...
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mamisner1@...
mamisner1
Mar 1, 2011 6:30 am
I appologize in advance as some of these details have, over time, become a little fuzzy. In 2006 or 2007 at the KOTESOL Intnl. conference first ER colloquium,...
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stewart_reading@...
jaltsigchief
Mar 1, 2011 6:59 am
Mamisner1, That sure sounds like Atsuko Takase. She is one of the few people who does studies with Junior / Senior high students and she always does a pre and...
