Hello, I have a couple of items related to the recent discussions of web ER and grading schemes. First, I've been working with a small group in western Japan...
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Rob Waring
waring_robert
Feb 2, 2005 9:26 am
Hi Sorry for the 'local' nature of this broadcast. It's that time of year again. As you all know Jalt Shizuoka will be held from the 8th to 10th of OCTOBER...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 4, 2005 6:14 am
Hi all I've been lurking for a while but reading with interest. I need some help now. As some of you may remember I've detailed my history with ER in the past...
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gradedreading
Feb 4, 2005 9:47 am
... Hi Regarding Rob's proposal for a standardised grading scheme for web based reading materials, I'd be happy to submit my own site to be analysed. At...
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EPER Enquiries
Eper.Enquiries@...
Feb 4, 2005 10:14 am
Dear Wendy Well done collecting so much data about your own programme. To keep P6 interested you have to find more titles. The upper levels of graded readers...
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John Paul Loucky
jploucky@...
Feb 4, 2005 2:39 pm
David, Appreciate your well-thot out advice on "Bridging the Gaps"bw L1 & L2, & I think bw ER & IR needs and complementary emphases. To bridge the gap between...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 5, 2005 9:27 am
Hi all David, wonderful to hear that you're still there because I know your history with HK and their reading schemes is invaluable to me! You mention level...
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EPER Enquiries
Eper.Enquiries@...
Feb 7, 2005 12:05 pm
Wendy Library reading is individuals reading different individual titles chosen from a library and class reading is the whole class reading the same title with...
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 9, 2005 2:32 am
Why don't we just try Stern's 'axes of orientation'? ER if it brings about language acquisition is: --extensive not intensive (I know this is partly circular, ...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 10, 2005 3:23 am
Good morning all from a beautifully sunny Day 2 of Year of the Rooster (may it continue in this way and all will be well ...) I've copied part of a message...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 10, 2005 3:32 am
Hi again I'm not sure if this is PC but if anyone is interested in joining the YLsig (young learners special interest group) for a discussion fielded by Brian...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 10, 2005 3:44 am
Hi again I've just re-read a previous email and would like to make clear that I agree with Stephen K that phonics alone is NOT (I'd got a typo of 'now') the...
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 10, 2005 9:21 am
Hi I read both posts, and understand that you are not taking an extremist position on phonics, but I would like to reply ... 6) to mixed ... agegroup as they ...
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doran33@...
patreddy3333
Feb 10, 2005 4:24 pm
I whole heartedly agree with Wendy. Whole word/whole language has its foundations in the sight-word approach that Reverend Thomas Gaulledet used to teach deaf...
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stephen krashen
skrashen
Feb 10, 2005 9:20 pm
WHOLE WORD and WHOLE LANGUAGE are not the same thing. Not at all. Whole language says we acquire language by understanding messages. Whole word = memorizing...
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John Paul Loucky
jploucky@...
Feb 11, 2005 6:04 am
Believe this distinction is basically correct. Whole word = memorizing sight words grew out of what was called the "Linguistic Sight Word Approach." It's...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 11, 2005 6:19 am
Hi again Apologies in advance for the diatribe ... I'm still struggling to find a way around this complicated issue. In fact the more I know, the less I feel I...
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 11, 2005 7:48 am
... at all. Whole language ... word = memorizing sight ... Yes, I absolutely agree. Let me just clarify in order to establish my own position on this for the...
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 11, 2005 8:06 am
... called the ... such a ... became disabled ... associations. Such sound-symbol associations being 'I' or 'eye' or 'Me' rhyming with 'sea' or 'see' or the...
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 11, 2005 8:25 am
... word approach ... students. It is a pictograph ... to hear. Obviously not. It is a 'logographic' approach to word-level decoding. Some 'pictographic'...
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stephen krashen
skrashen
Feb 11, 2005 8:46 am
A bit more on whole word and whole language. The whole word approach has been compared to the phonics approach. This was done by J. Chall back in the 1960's....
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 11, 2005 8:48 am
... struggling to find a way around this complicated issue. In fact the more I know, the less I feel I understand how to solve the dilemma. The layers are...
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stephen krashen
skrashen
Feb 11, 2005 8:51 am
John Paul Loucky wrote: Unfortunately, some reading ed programs are still denigrating or ignoring proper phonics instruction. Where they do, many...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 11, 2005 9:07 am
Hi all Charles, many thanks for responding so quickly and in so much detail. Yup, you're right, it's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the quicker I...
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John Paul Loucky
jploucky@...
Feb 11, 2005 9:22 am
... From: stephen krashen [mailto:krashen@...] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:51 PM To: ExtensiveReading@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtensiveReading]...
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 11, 2005 9:42 am
... so need a much more systematic approach than would L1 learners. Tho many would argue that both need a clear & systematic approach that is obviously more...
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stephen krashen
skrashen
Feb 11, 2005 11:37 am
Here is what I meant to write, sorry: The issue is what is "proper phonics instruction." Is it extensive, systematic phonics, which attempts to teach ALL the...
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Charles Jannuzzi
b_rieux
Feb 11, 2005 11:42 am
Long-winded text dumps of pre-existing papers tend to kill off conversations on more spontaneous lists, such as this one. However, invitations to visit papers...
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Wendy Arnold
wendyahk
Feb 11, 2005 12:52 pm
Hi all It's fascinating how every time this topic comes up, there is a flurry of activity from members and not without good reason. Charles, I find whatyou say...
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John Paul Loucky
jploucky@...
Feb 11, 2005 2:40 pm
Are you talking about deduction or induction, JPL? I should think acquisition of a phonics rule (to the extent that such rules are a real phenomenon of actual...
