Hi,
Myrrah hasn't been in contact, yet, but she sounds like a great
resource.  Thanks, Analeda.

I've been driving my husband nuts with my research.  I ordered some
belly dancing videos which are egyptian.  Hmm.  Egyptian dancing in
persian or turkish garb, which may or may not be period...  It does
sound like belly dancing in the SCA may be one of those Creative
endeavors, as Marge suggested.

Then I got to thinking, which gets me into heaps of trouble.  I only
go to GNEW, and it's usually hot.  Last time I went, I was very
uncomfortable and thought an Indian sari would be better for the heat.
  After fussing with the material, though, I think I would step on it
and it would fall apart.  (I actually read that fussing with the folds
was part of the allure, pish!)  So, I while I was on the topic of
non-regional non-period garb for belly dance, I started researching
warm weather garb for perhaps a new persona.  Which has me all atwitter.

Cate's suggestion of courtesan garb, was fun, but I didn't mention it
to my husband who would kill me (since he doesn't do the SCA thing).
Although, it did just force me to watch Dangerous Beauty again.  There
are a lot of interesting discussions on-line as to the authenticity of
the costuming used.

Anyway, here's where I get to my point, really.  I am seriously
considering developing a Vietnamese persona, Nuyet (Snow White, it's a
real name and couldn't be more appropriate).  The garb is warm weather
friendly and would be easy to dance in.  Plus, nothing is exposed that
I (and Keith) would rather keep hidden.  He did complain that it was
fitted, even if it did cover neck to ankle.  Well, obviously I cannot
talk to him about garb!

This has been very fun.  My second choice is the non-under-bust
Persian coat.  There is nice one at castlegardencreations.com  (You
may recognize my large fur sleeved tudor gown there, also.)  They do
very good custom work, are concerned about accuracy, and are fairly
priced.  (But I just like to look at the pretty pictures for inspiration.)

In kindness, Gwen.

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Aneleda Cytheria
Falconbridge" <aneleda@...> wrote:
>
> Gwen,
>
> You may want to pop an email off to Myrrah about this - I attended a
> fancy hafla with her at Pennsic and she had a lot of comments about
> the garb we'd seen at other dancing events - this one I guess tended
> to have more folks in period garb for bellydance, and fewer of the
> SCA-Tribal bellydancers.
>
> Plus, she teaches dance, and makes all the costumes for her dancers,
> and is a great resource for this sort of thing.  I also learned that
> bellydance by women in period would never have been done in the
> company of men - it was a female only celebration (or a male-only
> celebration!) and that changes some of the "rules" of what was
> considered appropriate.
>
> Email her, she's full o' brains!
>
> Aneleda
>
>
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Wendi"
> <lobster_kelaguen@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I've been trying to research what to wear to an SCA event for belly
> dancing.  These two
> > things seem to be mutually exclusive garb-wise.  I've read that
> showing one's belly and
> > underbust coats are not period...but neither is belly dancing
> amongst English country
> > nobles.  I realize that perhaps this is where the Creative aspect
> comes in.  Anyway, I
> > looked into Turkish, Persian, Indian (who don't belly dance, but
> whose garb looks the
> > closest) and other subcategories of the Ottoman Empire.  Although
> I've put very little effort
> > into limiting my persona, I do want to stay at least semi-period in
> the clothes I choose.
> > So, besides total disregard for period dancing garb, what do people
> out there do?
> >
> > Should I also point out that this is strictly academic at this
> point, as my dancing ability is
> > too limited to be revealed outside my livingroom?  But, if there
> was really neat garb
> > involved, I might practice more.
> >
> > Kindness,
> > Gwen.
> >
>

Hi,
I've been doing more research on Ottoman, Turkish, Persian,
mid-eastern dress as it relates to SCA and belly dancing.  Sounds like
a good name for a term paper.  Anyway, I found some good sites and
thought in case others were interested, I'd post some.

http://www.bdancer.com/history/BDhist3.html
This site is a good resource for dancing costumes throughout the
orient and throughout the ages.  It also talks about fabric, color,
fit, etc.  It is an overview that could really be helpful for those
trying to narrow down their choices.  I just wish they had more
detailed pictures and references.

http://www.mindspring.com/~whill/Handouts/yelek.asim.html
This site describes how to make a Ghawazee coat, which is actually a
yelek or entari (antari) if you want to be period.  I like how this
site treats the subject of SCA and ghawazee coat wearing mid-eastern
personas, who are trying to figure out what to dance in. It makes a
connection between what is and is not period, while providing
instructions on making a more period set of clothing that can still be
used for dance.

http://www.geocities.com/anahita_whitehorse/ottofemcloth.html
This is my favorite, because it has detailed pictures.  This site does
a great job of outlining what the Ottoman's wore by describing each
layer and using proper terms.

http://www.island.net/~doerksen/dancpic2.html
This site shows an SCA dancer in very commonly accepted dancer garb.
It makes for nice inspiration, and I would like to hear other people's
opinions.  In my opinion, if she was wearing a sash instead of a coin
belt, this would be something I might like to wear.


Like everything else, there is a lot of information out there and some
of it is conflicting.  For example, harem pants... I found many
references saying that they were just the thing to wear under a
Persian or Turkish coat and chemise.

Another site says, after careful exploration, she is not confident
that harem pants are period.  Shalvar pants are well documented, but
harem pants could either be loose pants tucked into boots, or
something depicted in art as genie wear, and not typical to actual
people.  Of course, she would like to see people not just be Ottoman,
or mid-eastern, but know specifically what people their garb
represents.  Which is a somewhat lofty ambition for those just
starting out.

Personally, I was thinking I have some great striped fabric that would
make a nice fitted Ottoman coat.  It's 15+ year old fabric and about
time I do something with it.

Hope this is of some help to someone out there, feel free to add to it.

Gwen.

Gwen -
You've been busy with your research.  Do you think the coat will be
cool?  I was VERY close to melting at GNEW last year in one
layer. :)
Cate

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Wendi"
<lobster_kelaguen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I've been doing more research on Ottoman, Turkish, Persian,
> mid-eastern dress as it relates to SCA and belly dancing.  Sounds
like
> a good name for a term paper.  Anyway, I found some good sites and
> thought in case others were interested, I'd post some.
>
> http://www.bdancer.com/history/BDhist3.html
> This site is a good resource for dancing costumes throughout the
> orient and throughout the ages.  It also talks about fabric, color,
> fit, etc.  It is an overview that could really be helpful for those
> trying to narrow down their choices.  I just wish they had more
> detailed pictures and references.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~whill/Handouts/yelek.asim.html
> This site describes how to make a Ghawazee coat, which is actually
a
> yelek or entari (antari) if you want to be period.  I like how this
> site treats the subject of SCA and ghawazee coat wearing mid-
eastern
> personas, who are trying to figure out what to dance in. It makes a
> connection between what is and is not period, while providing
> instructions on making a more period set of clothing that can
still be
> used for dance.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/anahita_whitehorse/ottofemcloth.html
> This is my favorite, because it has detailed pictures.  This site
does
> a great job of outlining what the Ottoman's wore by describing each
> layer and using proper terms.
>
> http://www.island.net/~doerksen/dancpic2.html
> This site shows an SCA dancer in very commonly accepted dancer
garb.
> It makes for nice inspiration, and I would like to hear other
people's
> opinions.  In my opinion, if she was wearing a sash instead of a
coin
> belt, this would be something I might like to wear.
>
>
> Like everything else, there is a lot of information out there and
some
> of it is conflicting.  For example, harem pants... I found many
> references saying that they were just the thing to wear under a
> Persian or Turkish coat and chemise.
>
> Another site says, after careful exploration, she is not confident
> that harem pants are period.  Shalvar pants are well documented,
but
> harem pants could either be loose pants tucked into boots, or
> something depicted in art as genie wear, and not typical to actual
> people.  Of course, she would like to see people not just be
Ottoman,
> or mid-eastern, but know specifically what people their garb
> represents.  Which is a somewhat lofty ambition for those just
> starting out.
>
> Personally, I was thinking I have some great striped fabric that
would
> make a nice fitted Ottoman coat.  It's 15+ year old fabric and
about
> time I do something with it.
>
> Hope this is of some help to someone out there, feel free to add
to it.
>
> Gwen.
>

Cate,
I'm so worried about that!  I keep trying to figure out cool garb.
The Ottoman garb has just as many layers as the garb I wore last time,
except the jacket is much longer than a bodice.  Last time I went to
GNEW, I felt much the same as you, sweltering.

Tunics seem to be the lightest, but I just don't like the look for
myself.  I tried a cotehardie with fake undersleeves, but the buttons
are driving me mad! I was thinking of a modified (one layer) bliaut in
a natural fabric?  Honestly, the Vietnamese garb was the best for hot
weather, but the style I like is a bit out of period.  Keith said
since most people don't care about Vietnamese garb, I could probably
get away with it, but I don't know.

It's so hard to do period comfortably when our weather is so much
hotter than it was back then.  Too bad I can't bring myself to wear a
toga.

How about everyone else, any advice for keeping cool?

Gwen.


--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Gwen -
> You've been busy with your research.  Do you think the coat will be
> cool?  I was VERY close to melting at GNEW last year in one
> layer. :)
> Cate
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Wendi"
> <lobster_kelaguen@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I've been doing more research on Ottoman, Turkish, Persian,
> > mid-eastern dress as it relates to SCA and belly dancing.  Sounds
> like
> > a good name for a term paper.  Anyway, I found some good sites and
> > thought in case others were interested, I'd post some.
> >
> > http://www.bdancer.com/history/BDhist3.html
> > This site is a good resource for dancing costumes throughout the
> > orient and throughout the ages.  It also talks about fabric, color,
> > fit, etc.  It is an overview that could really be helpful for those
> > trying to narrow down their choices.  I just wish they had more
> > detailed pictures and references.
> >
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~whill/Handouts/yelek.asim.html
> > This site describes how to make a Ghawazee coat, which is actually
> a
> > yelek or entari (antari) if you want to be period.  I like how this
> > site treats the subject of SCA and ghawazee coat wearing mid-
> eastern
> > personas, who are trying to figure out what to dance in. It makes a
> > connection between what is and is not period, while providing
> > instructions on making a more period set of clothing that can
> still be
> > used for dance.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/anahita_whitehorse/ottofemcloth.html
> > This is my favorite, because it has detailed pictures.  This site
> does
> > a great job of outlining what the Ottoman's wore by describing each
> > layer and using proper terms.
> >
> > http://www.island.net/~doerksen/dancpic2.html
> > This site shows an SCA dancer in very commonly accepted dancer
> garb.
> > It makes for nice inspiration, and I would like to hear other
> people's
> > opinions.  In my opinion, if she was wearing a sash instead of a
> coin
> > belt, this would be something I might like to wear.
> >
> >
> > Like everything else, there is a lot of information out there and
> some
> > of it is conflicting.  For example, harem pants... I found many
> > references saying that they were just the thing to wear under a
> > Persian or Turkish coat and chemise.
> >
> > Another site says, after careful exploration, she is not confident
> > that harem pants are period.  Shalvar pants are well documented,
> but
> > harem pants could either be loose pants tucked into boots, or
> > something depicted in art as genie wear, and not typical to actual
> > people.  Of course, she would like to see people not just be
> Ottoman,
> > or mid-eastern, but know specifically what people their garb
> > represents.  Which is a somewhat lofty ambition for those just
> > starting out.
> >
> > Personally, I was thinking I have some great striped fabric that
> would
> > make a nice fitted Ottoman coat.  It's 15+ year old fabric and
> about
> > time I do something with it.
> >
> > Hope this is of some help to someone out there, feel free to add
> to it.
> >
> > Gwen.
> >
>

Gwen -

Frieda wore something toga-ish last year.  I wore a cotehardie last
year with lacing - I felt like taking scissors to it, I was so hot
and couldn't get out of it fast enough!  I have thought about putting
a zipper in the back and leaving the lacing in the front.  At least
it would look somewhat period and I could get out of it easier.  This
year, if I get too hot, I'm going to the little store down the road
to cool down - it's air conditioned!

Keith might be right about the Vietnamese garb.  What makes it out of
period?  I can't imagine their traditional clothing has changed much
in 400 years.

The clothing at that online store you sent the link to looks really
nice.  I was surprised to see so many styles all looking rather
authentic.

Cate

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Wendi"
<lobster_kelaguen@...> wrote:
>
> Cate,
> I'm so worried about that!  I keep trying to figure out cool garb.
> The Ottoman garb has just as many layers as the garb I wore last
time,
> except the jacket is much longer than a bodice.  Last time I went to
> GNEW, I felt much the same as you, sweltering.
>
> Tunics seem to be the lightest, but I just don't like the look for
> myself.  I tried a cotehardie with fake undersleeves, but the
buttons
> are driving me mad! I was thinking of a modified (one layer) bliaut
in
> a natural fabric?  Honestly, the Vietnamese garb was the best for
hot
> weather, but the style I like is a bit out of period.  Keith said
> since most people don't care about Vietnamese garb, I could probably
> get away with it, but I don't know.
>
> It's so hard to do period comfortably when our weather is so much
> hotter than it was back then.  Too bad I can't bring myself to wear
a
> toga.
>
> How about everyone else, any advice for keeping cool?
>
> Gwen.
>
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gwen -
> > You've been busy with your research.  Do you think the coat will
be
> > cool?  I was VERY close to melting at GNEW last year in one
> > layer. :)
> > Cate
> >
> > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Wendi"
> > <lobster_kelaguen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I've been doing more research on Ottoman, Turkish, Persian,
> > > mid-eastern dress as it relates to SCA and belly dancing.
Sounds
> > like
> > > a good name for a term paper.  Anyway, I found some good sites
and
> > > thought in case others were interested, I'd post some.
> > >
> > > http://www.bdancer.com/history/BDhist3.html
> > > This site is a good resource for dancing costumes throughout the
> > > orient and throughout the ages.  It also talks about fabric,
color,
> > > fit, etc.  It is an overview that could really be helpful for
those
> > > trying to narrow down their choices.  I just wish they had more
> > > detailed pictures and references.
> > >
> > > http://www.mindspring.com/~whill/Handouts/yelek.asim.html
> > > This site describes how to make a Ghawazee coat, which is
actually
> > a
> > > yelek or entari (antari) if you want to be period.  I like how
this
> > > site treats the subject of SCA and ghawazee coat wearing mid-
> > eastern
> > > personas, who are trying to figure out what to dance in. It
makes a
> > > connection between what is and is not period, while providing
> > > instructions on making a more period set of clothing that can
> > still be
> > > used for dance.
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/anahita_whitehorse/ottofemcloth.html
> > > This is my favorite, because it has detailed pictures.  This
site
> > does
> > > a great job of outlining what the Ottoman's wore by describing
each
> > > layer and using proper terms.
> > >
> > > http://www.island.net/~doerksen/dancpic2.html
> > > This site shows an SCA dancer in very commonly accepted dancer
> > garb.
> > > It makes for nice inspiration, and I would like to hear other
> > people's
> > > opinions.  In my opinion, if she was wearing a sash instead of
a
> > coin
> > > belt, this would be something I might like to wear.
> > >
> > >
> > > Like everything else, there is a lot of information out there
and
> > some
> > > of it is conflicting.  For example, harem pants... I found many
> > > references saying that they were just the thing to wear under a
> > > Persian or Turkish coat and chemise.
> > >
> > > Another site says, after careful exploration, she is not
confident
> > > that harem pants are period.  Shalvar pants are well
documented,
> > but
> > > harem pants could either be loose pants tucked into boots, or
> > > something depicted in art as genie wear, and not typical to
actual
> > > people.  Of course, she would like to see people not just be
> > Ottoman,
> > > or mid-eastern, but know specifically what people their garb
> > > represents.  Which is a somewhat lofty ambition for those just
> > > starting out.
> > >
> > > Personally, I was thinking I have some great striped fabric
that
> > would
> > > make a nice fitted Ottoman coat.  It's 15+ year old fabric and
> > about
> > > time I do something with it.
> > >
> > > Hope this is of some help to someone out there, feel free to
add
> > to it.
> > >
> > > Gwen.
> > >
> >
>

Hi Cate & Gwen,

I am in the process of making two sets of garb.  One wool for cooler
monts and the other linen blend for summer months.  These two fabrics
are what is acceptable for the Living History groups I am in.  However,
cotton can look as effective for SCA events.  One of the key things is
to keep hydrated during summer events.

Happy stitchen'

Dougal

Dougal -
Nice to hear from you.  Will you be coming to dance practice on
Sunday?  :-)
Thanks for the fabric suggestions.
Cate

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Saball"
<dr_douglittle@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Cate & Gwen,
>
> I am in the process of making two sets of garb.  One wool for cooler
> monts and the other linen blend for summer months.  These two fabrics
> are what is acceptable for the Living History groups I am in.
However,
> cotton can look as effective for SCA events.  One of the key things
is
> to keep hydrated during summer events.
>
> Happy stitchen'
>
> Dougal
>

Hello Dougal,
Do come to dance, we're garbing up!  I'll probably choose something
reminiscent in an unauthentic fabric or maybe something more
traditional.  Either way, I think my Tudor garb may knock people down
with a mad combo of heavy sleeves and hoops, so it's staying at home.

I actually did GNEW in all linen chemises and skirts with a cotton
bodice (I will admit to two non-cotton bodices).  I also had a nice
wide brimmed hat, but I still kept wanting to rip off my skirt, and
ended up hiking my skirts rather inelegantly to promote air-flow.
When I simply couldn't stand it anymore, I volunteered to take the
kids swimming.  I think a shorter chemise might have helped with a
less full skirt.


Cate, Just 'cause ya asked...
The Vietnamese ensemble is well-documented for 300 years, and it was
said to have been patterned after an earlier outfit two sisters wore
when riding into war on an elephant.  Very neat.  Anyway, it is a
Vietnamese tradition not to emulate people who have had great honor.
So, no one was to wear this outfit in order to honor the sisters.
It's the same with very famous names of heroes.  Sort of like the name
Bjorn in Sweden is not to be used, due to the popular singer.

Anyway, I can get the color, the material, the pants, the head wear,
and the basic shape all relatively authentic.  The modern differences
have to do with fit and shoulder seam placement.  I guess it would be
the equivalent of using a modern pattern that may have darts for a
Tudor gown which would not.

There is a part of me that says, hey, there are lots of mentions of
different ethnic garbs throughout the regions and those sisters had to
get it from somewhere...

The more well-documented medieval Vietnamese garb consisted of the
same soft wide legged pants (or optional skirt), and head wear, but
with a five paneled top, instead of the two panel design that I like.
  The neck line was also different with a sort of under layer that
resembled a halter top.

So, what do you think?  Can I get away with it?
Gwen.


--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Dougal -
> Nice to hear from you.  Will you be coming to dance practice on
> Sunday?  :-)
> Thanks for the fabric suggestions.
> Cate
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Saball"
> <dr_douglittle@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Cate & Gwen,
> >
> > I am in the process of making two sets of garb.  One wool for cooler
> > monts and the other linen blend for summer months.  These two fabrics
> > are what is acceptable for the Living History groups I am in.
> However,
> > cotton can look as effective for SCA events.  One of the key things
> is
> > to keep hydrated during summer events.
> >
> > Happy stitchen'
> >
> > Dougal
> >
>

--- Wendi <lobster_kelaguen@...> wrote:

> The more well-documented medieval Vietnamese garb
> consisted of the  same soft wide legged pants
> (or optional skirt), and head wear, but
> with a five paneled top, instead of the two panel
> design that I like. The neck line was also
> different with a sort of under layer that
> resembled a halter top.
>
> So, what do you think?  Can I get away with it?
> Gwen.

I have one comment.. have you ever been to Pennsic and
seen what the Tuchux women wear? (leather bikinis,
sometimes with bits of fur)

You can wear anything you want <smile>.

Bryn

PS Asian garb is becoming more popular. You may have a
very nice outfit for warm weather if you wear the
Vietnamese garb.



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I appreciate that Bryn,
I've never been to a Pennsic, and I have to admire the bravery of
anyone willing to wear a leather bikini.  I know I brought up this
topic (warm weather garb) a long while ago and someone suggested a
garb style that was topless.  Then again, Egyptian dancers just wore a
string of beads.  I know it's just where people choose to draw the
line as to what they wear and feel comfortable in.  I'm probably doing
way too much worrying for something that matters very little, but I
enjoy the research.  Just call me obsessively curious.

Gwen.

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, L T <ladybrynmillar@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- Wendi <lobster_kelaguen@...> wrote:
>
> > The more well-documented medieval Vietnamese garb
> > consisted of the  same soft wide legged pants
> > (or optional skirt), and head wear, but
> > with a five paneled top, instead of the two panel
> > design that I like. The neck line was also
> > different with a sort of under layer that
> > resembled a halter top.
> >
> > So, what do you think?  Can I get away with it?
> > Gwen.
>
> I have one comment.. have you ever been to Pennsic and
> seen what the Tuchux women wear? (leather bikinis,
> sometimes with bits of fur)
>
> You can wear anything you want <smile>.
>
> Bryn
>
> PS Asian garb is becoming more popular. You may have a
> very nice outfit for warm weather if you wear the
> Vietnamese garb.
>
>
>
>
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> The more well-documented medieval Vietnamese garb consisted of the
> same soft wide legged pants (or optional skirt), and head wear, but
> with a five paneled top, instead of the two panel design that I like.
>  The neck line was also different with a sort of under layer that
> resembled a halter top.
>
> So, what do you think?  Can I get away with it?
> Gwen.

I would think so.  If you make it out of a lightweight material, it
might even be cool enough (otherwise, we can both head down to the
store to cool off :-)
Cate

Hi Cate,

My artheritus acts up in the cold weather and Mary doesn't like to
dance without me.  Martin and his girlfriend parted last fall so he
is not into dancing either.

Additionaly, we are busy with the kid goats & milking the nanny's.
Not to mention that Mary has a 3 year old stud coming to the farm
this week sometime.  Lots of stuff happening.

Dougal

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Dougal -
> Nice to hear from you.  Will you be coming to dance practice on
> Sunday?  :-)
> Thanks for the fabric suggestions.
> Cate
>

Well you will be missed.  And Martin does not have to have a partner
to dance.  We're more than happy to dance with him.  :-)
Take care,
Cate

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Saball"
<dr_douglittle@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Cate,
>
> My artheritus acts up in the cold weather and Mary doesn't like to
> dance without me.  Martin and his girlfriend parted last fall so he
> is not into dancing either.
>
> Additionaly, we are busy with the kid goats & milking the nanny's.
> Not to mention that Mary has a 3 year old stud coming to the farm
> this week sometime.  Lots of stuff happening.
>
> Dougal
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dougal -
> > Nice to hear from you.  Will you be coming to dance practice on
> > Sunday?  :-)
> > Thanks for the fabric suggestions.
> > Cate
> >
>

Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
dance practice?  Anyone interested?

BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
hope she is well.

Cate

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

Cate,

I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really like to
learn to tablet weave.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps prior to a
> dance practice?  Anyone interested?
>
> BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I don't
> see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the college.  I
> hope she is well.
>
> Cate
>

I would be happy to bring my card weaving to a meeting.  I will also
probably bring it to Jehan's on the 28th.
Cate

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Martsolf"
<martsolm@...> wrote:
>
> Cate,
>
> I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really
like to
> learn to tablet weave.
>
> Mathius
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps
prior to a
> > dance practice?  Anyone interested?
> >
> > BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I
don't
> > see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the
college.  I
> > hope she is well.
> >
> > Cate
> >
>

That would be wonderful.  I should be at Jehan's.  I may have my new
lyre by then!!!  We shall see.  If not I will bring my mandolin.

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> I would be happy to bring my card weaving to a meeting.  I will
also
> probably bring it to Jehan's on the 28th.
> Cate
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Martsolf"
> <martsolm@> wrote:
> >
> > Cate,
> >
> > I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really
> like to
> > learn to tablet weave.
> >
> > Mathius
> >
> > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps
> prior to a
> > > dance practice?  Anyone interested?
> > >
> > > BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and I
> don't
> > > see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the
> college.  I
> > > hope she is well.
> > >
> > > Cate
> > >
> >
>

Did you make the lyre?
Cate

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Martsolf"
<martsolm@...> wrote:
>
> That would be wonderful.  I should be at Jehan's.  I may have my
new
> lyre by then!!!  We shall see.  If not I will bring my mandolin.
>
> Mathius
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would be happy to bring my card weaving to a meeting.  I will
> also
> > probably bring it to Jehan's on the 28th.
> > Cate
> >
> > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Martsolf"
> > <martsolm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cate,
> > >
> > > I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would really
> > like to
> > > learn to tablet weave.
> > >
> > > Mathius
> > >
> > > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley"
<kelley_rambo@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time, perhaps
> > prior to a
> > > > dance practice?  Anyone interested?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages and
I
> > don't
> > > > see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the
> > college.  I
> > > > hope she is well.
> > > >
> > > > Cate
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

It is being made by Marc from Hickory arms.  I am making him some
15th century hit in exchange.  Stinking eyelets...

Mathius

--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" <kelley_rambo@...>
wrote:
>
> Did you make the lyre?
> Cate
>
> --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Martsolf"
> <martsolm@> wrote:
> >
> > That would be wonderful.  I should be at Jehan's.  I may have my
> new
> > lyre by then!!!  We shall see.  If not I will bring my mandolin.
> >
> > Mathius
> >
> > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley"
<kelley_rambo@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I would be happy to bring my card weaving to a meeting.  I
will
> > also
> > > probably bring it to Jehan's on the 28th.
> > > Cate
> > >
> > > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Martsolf"
> > > <martsolm@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cate,
> > > >
> > > > I would be interested meeting with all of you.  I would
really
> > > like to
> > > > learn to tablet weave.
> > > >
> > > > Mathius
> > > >
> > > > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Kelley"
> <kelley_rambo@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone mentioned having a tailor meeting some time,
perhaps
> > > prior to a
> > > > > dance practice?  Anyone interested?
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, where is Ysabiau?  I haven't heard from her in ages
and
> I
> > > don't
> > > > > see her or Seanan any more since I'm not working at the
> > > college.  I
> > > > > hope she is well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cate
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi,
Here's a fun question...  Are all purples off limits?  I found a nice
muddy lilac linen, so I'm curious.  What about periwinkle?  Perhaps
they didn't have periwinkle, but I'm wondering anyway.

Ysabiau, glad you're recovering!  So, what do you know about say, 12th
century colors?

Gwen.