Twitchell's Last Mystic World Article
July-August-September 1971
[Difficulties of Becoming the
LEM, pages 251-254]

Up until his last days Twitchell
was still conning people and
rewriting his and ECKankar's
history (in third person) in order
to give validation to his outlandish
claims/lies/dogma. And, for
some reason people believed
it!

Where's Klemp's Virgin Birth
that would qualify him as a
"Mahanta?" Klemp was born
the second child. Is the original
(1969) Mahanta and founder
of ECKankar, Twitchell, lying
about these details or is Klemp
merely posing as the Mahanta?

It has to be one or the other.
Both versions cannot be true!

Thus, the foundation of ECKankar
(stated in the Shariyat) revolving
around PT being the "Mahanta" via
a Virgin Birth is either a lie, or Klemp
has been lying for 30 years about
being the Mahanta since he was
ineligible to begin with.


Check the index of the Shariyat
Book One for "Mahanta, birth of."


Yes, it's interesting that Twitchell
had no knowledge of the "Mahanta"
Consciousness for 18 years after
(finishing with) his 12th Initiation,
by Rebazar circa 1951, to ECK Master
status!


PT (Shariyat One):
"This time the ancient prediction
that a New World Avatar would
be born on a great body of water,
near the shores where horses grazed
was to become true. This time Peddar
Zaskq was born on a Mississippi
river packet enroute to New Orleans.

The Miraculous Birth took place
just below the city of Natchez,
Mississippi near a stock farm.
At the time of his birth, a great
earthquake shook the Mississippi
valley, forming a vast body of
lakes in western Tennessee.

There appeared a BLUE CARNATION
in a vase on a night table by the
mother's bed."

ME: This Blue Carnation symbol
of the Mahanta Consciousness
was created by Twitchell after-the-
fact with 20/20 hindsight. This is
another rewrite by Twitchell. If he
did have the "Mahanta Consciousness"
then why didn't he mention it prior
to 1969? This 1971 pub is to rectify
that mistake and act as a cover-up.

However, when looking at the timeline
for the 1969 creation of the Mahanta
and his Virgin Birth we can see that
Twitchell's authority was being challenged
from within and without of ECKankar.
This move was to both elevate and
solidify his position as the sole leader
of ECKankar.... forever or until another
comes on the scene who can claim to
have had a Virgin Birth.

This is why Darwin Gross never really
claimed to be the Mahanta. The Blue
carnation was merely in keeping with
tradition. It did not actually mean that
DG nor HK was actually a "Full" Mahanta
as Klemp has claimed. ECKankar's
Holy Scripture contradicts the claims
that Klemp has made. Therefore, Klemp
is a liar! Or, is the Holy Book of ECKankar
full of lies? It's one or the other!


PT: "The work of the Hierarchy
was completed except for the training
of Peddar Zaskq. It was immediately
arranged for him to be given a home
in which to be raised.

His Foster Parents raised him in a
small souther river town [Paducah,
Kentucky]. He adopted their name
and became known as Paul Twitchell
in the Twentieth Century."

ME: Isn't this a different story from
what Klemp has mentioned? Klemp
and Marman, both, have suggested
that Paul's father had an affair and
that he was allowed to take Paul and
raise him. Thus, the other children
were Paul's half-brothers and sisters
and his mother was his step-mother.
Paul told this lie in order to have a
virgin birth like Jesus and other
Avatars, and to establish the "Blue
Carnation" of the Mahanta connection.
This is, also, why Darwin stated that
Paul was the only Mahanta for the
next thousand years. DG didn't have
a "virgin birth" and neither did Klemp!

PT: "He [Paul Twitchell aka Peddar
Zaskq] looked and acted and was
raised accordingly like any American
child, except for his enormous knowledge
and ability to do Soul Travel."

ME: Once again, Twit is selling himself.
Snake oil anyone?

However, on another note, it always
made me wonder why the Mental Plane
color is Blue and the color associated
with the Mahanta is Blue as well? Why
is it interchangeable?

Of course since PT "thought" up the
whole scheme of the "Mahanta," just
prior to January, 1969, it does make
sense that he identified the color Blue
with this title. When one actually considers
the color of this "highest" consciousness
it should, realistically, be a lighter
color (white) as are the colors of the
higher planes. Actually, I've seen a
correction of this Blue Light theme
with the RESA/Mahanta Star. Notice
that it varies between White and Gold/
Yellow but not Mental Plane/Mahanta
Blue. Sometimes it's outlined in Blue
but I haven't seen a Blue Six Pointed
Star (of David) used except as ornaments
hanging from the ceiling. It's slowly
being phased out (corrected) since
Blue depicts the Mental Plane Consciousness.

I will say that PT/HK having Blue
Light depict both the Mental and
the Mahanta does keep ECKists
off balance and confused as to
who/what they are seeing when
they close their eyes. This was/is
good for PT/HK because it creates
a Catch-22 scenario whereby any
ekplanation can be used as validation.

PT: "None knew much about him for
he kept to himself. His companion in
these years was his Stepsister who
gave him much of his knowledge on
Soul Travel. She acted as the instrument
through which the divine power flowed
to open his consciousness to God
again, and acted as his guide until
ECK Masters were able to take over."

ME: So, I wonder what initiation level
Paul's stepsister (Kay-Dee) was? That's
probably another story (lie). But, Wow!
Paul was really unloading a pile of B.S.
wasn't he! It's no wonder Klemp had Peter
Skelsky round up and destroy all of these
copies of "Difficulties of Becoming the
Living ECK Master." Does Marman believe
that the true, one and only, Mahanta
has to be born of a Virgin like Twitchell
states? Or, does Marman think Paul was
lying about his Virgin Birth like he did
with "Paris."


Prometheus

The color blue is also associated with the "Mental" Plane. In The Tiger's Fang
(or was it Dialogues With The Master?) Paul reportedly entered Daswan Dwar, two
levels below the Soul Plane, or Sat Nam. Yet, in some places Daswan Dwar sounds
like the pure spiritual worlds. (Maybe Daswan Dwar is a "region"?)

In any case, after what sounds like the Casual Plane (Lower Mental Plane), Paul
and Rebazar Tarzs go to the land of Sohang. I believe the color there was blue.

Will have to check on this.

OK. Here's a link from Dialogues With The Master - reportedly about Soul Travel
events prior to The Tiger's Fang. Page search for the word blue. It comes up as
associated NOT with the spiritual, but the intellectual. It was also associated
with the 4th plane ... where the ruler was Sohang.

http://www.mirrorh.com/dwtm.html

"The color of this plane is blue ... ." appears in DWTM book, as I just showed.
It appears again in Introduction to Eckankar.

http://www.mirrorh.com/itecpwPage2.html

And again in The Far Country.

http://www.mirrorh.com/tfctfc.html

OK. So here we find a similar story in three Eckankar books (btw, Why does R.T.
repeat so much of this stuff to P.T. twice?; in DWTM & TFC?

***

There is a lot of similar material in The Path of the Masters by Julian Johnson,
but a scan of the book brings up the word blue NADA times.

http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt

http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters#page/n1/mo\
de/2up

Needless to say, the color blue is associated with the Mental Plane in a number
of traditions. Perhaps even mentioned in RadhaSoami tradition, but in another
text?

--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
<prometheus_973@...> wrote:
>
> Twitchell's Last Mystic World Article
> July-August-September 1971
> [Difficulties of Becoming the
> LEM, pages 251-254]
>
> Up until his last days Twitchell
> was still conning people and
> rewriting his and ECKankar's
> history (in third person) in order
> to give validation to his outlandish
> claims/lies/dogma. And, for
> some reason people believed
> it!
>
> Where's Klemp's Virgin Birth
> that would qualify him as a
> "Mahanta?" Klemp was born
> the second child. Is the original
> (1969) Mahanta and founder
> of ECKankar, Twitchell, lying
> about these details or is Klemp
> merely posing as the Mahanta?
>
> It has to be one or the other.
> Both versions cannot be true!
>
> Thus, the foundation of ECKankar
> (stated in the Shariyat) revolving
> around PT being the "Mahanta" via
> a Virgin Birth is either a lie, or Klemp
> has been lying for 30 years about
> being the Mahanta since he was
> ineligible to begin with.
>
>
> Check the index of the Shariyat
> Book One for "Mahanta, birth of."
>
>
> Yes, it's interesting that Twitchell
> had no knowledge of the "Mahanta"
> Consciousness for 18 years after
> (finishing with) his 12th Initiation,
> by Rebazar circa 1951, to ECK Master
> status!
>
>
> PT (Shariyat One):
> "This time the ancient prediction
> that a New World Avatar would
> be born on a great body of water,
> near the shores where horses grazed
> was to become true. This time Peddar
> Zaskq was born on a Mississippi
> river packet enroute to New Orleans.
>
> The Miraculous Birth took place
> just below the city of Natchez,
> Mississippi near a stock farm.
> At the time of his birth, a great
> earthquake shook the Mississippi
> valley, forming a vast body of
> lakes in western Tennessee.
>
> There appeared a BLUE CARNATION
> in a vase on a night table by the
> mother's bed."
>
> ME: This Blue Carnation symbol
> of the Mahanta Consciousness
> was created by Twitchell after-the-
> fact with 20/20 hindsight. This is
> another rewrite by Twitchell. If he
> did have the "Mahanta Consciousness"
> then why didn't he mention it prior
> to 1969? This 1971 pub is to rectify
> that mistake and act as a cover-up.
>
> However, when looking at the timeline
> for the 1969 creation of the Mahanta
> and his Virgin Birth we can see that
> Twitchell's authority was being challenged
> from within and without of ECKankar.
> This move was to both elevate and
> solidify his position as the sole leader
> of ECKankar.... forever or until another
> comes on the scene who can claim to
> have had a Virgin Birth.
>
> This is why Darwin Gross never really
> claimed to be the Mahanta. The Blue
> carnation was merely in keeping with
> tradition. It did not actually mean that
> DG nor HK was actually a "Full" Mahanta
> as Klemp has claimed. ECKankar's
> Holy Scripture contradicts the claims
> that Klemp has made. Therefore, Klemp
> is a liar! Or, is the Holy Book of ECKankar
> full of lies? It's one or the other!
>
>
> PT: "The work of the Hierarchy
> was completed except for the training
> of Peddar Zaskq. It was immediately
> arranged for him to be given a home
> in which to be raised.
>
> His Foster Parents raised him in a
> small souther river town [Paducah,
> Kentucky]. He adopted their name
> and became known as Paul Twitchell
> in the Twentieth Century."
>
> ME: Isn't this a different story from
> what Klemp has mentioned? Klemp
> and Marman, both, have suggested
> that Paul's father had an affair and
> that he was allowed to take Paul and
> raise him. Thus, the other children
> were Paul's half-brothers and sisters
> and his mother was his step-mother.
> Paul told this lie in order to have a
> virgin birth like Jesus and other
> Avatars, and to establish the "Blue
> Carnation" of the Mahanta connection.
> This is, also, why Darwin stated that
> Paul was the only Mahanta for the
> next thousand years. DG didn't have
> a "virgin birth" and neither did Klemp!
>
> PT: "He [Paul Twitchell aka Peddar
> Zaskq] looked and acted and was
> raised accordingly like any American
> child, except for his enormous knowledge
> and ability to do Soul Travel."
>
> ME: Once again, Twit is selling himself.
> Snake oil anyone?
>
> However, on another note, it always
> made me wonder why the Mental Plane
> color is Blue and the color associated
> with the Mahanta is Blue as well? Why
> is it interchangeable?
>
> Of course since PT "thought" up the
> whole scheme of the "Mahanta," just
> prior to January, 1969, it does make
> sense that he identified the color Blue
> with this title. When one actually considers
> the color of this "highest" consciousness
> it should, realistically, be a lighter
> color (white) as are the colors of the
> higher planes. Actually, I've seen a
> correction of this Blue Light theme
> with the RESA/Mahanta Star. Notice
> that it varies between White and Gold/
> Yellow but not Mental Plane/Mahanta
> Blue. Sometimes it's outlined in Blue
> but I haven't seen a Blue Six Pointed
> Star (of David) used except as ornaments
> hanging from the ceiling. It's slowly
> being phased out (corrected) since
> Blue depicts the Mental Plane Consciousness.
>
> I will say that PT/HK having Blue
> Light depict both the Mental and
> the Mahanta does keep ECKists
> off balance and confused as to
> who/what they are seeing when
> they close their eyes. This was/is
> good for PT/HK because it creates
> a Catch-22 scenario whereby any
> ekplanation can be used as validation.
>
> PT: "None knew much about him for
> he kept to himself. His companion in
> these years was his Stepsister who
> gave him much of his knowledge on
> Soul Travel. She acted as the instrument
> through which the divine power flowed
> to open his consciousness to God
> again, and acted as his guide until
> ECK Masters were able to take over."
>
> ME: So, I wonder what initiation level
> Paul's stepsister (Kay-Dee) was? That's
> probably another story (lie). But, Wow!
> Paul was really unloading a pile of B.S.
> wasn't he! It's no wonder Klemp had Peter
> Skelsky round up and destroy all of these
> copies of "Difficulties of Becoming the
> Living ECK Master." Does Marman believe
> that the true, one and only, Mahanta
> has to be born of a Virgin like Twitchell
> states? Or, does Marman think Paul was
> lying about his Virgin Birth like he did
> with "Paris."
>
>
> Prometheus
>

Hello Etznab and All,
Here's some info that looks
like some of what Twitchell
had plagiarized. Scroll down
and check out the section
titled: Thought-Forms

http://www.anandgholap.net/Devachanic_Plane-CWL.htm

etznab wrote:
>
> The color blue is also associated with the "Mental" Plane. In The Tiger's Fang
(or was it Dialogues With The Master?) Paul reportedly entered Daswan Dwar, two
levels below the Soul Plane, or Sat Nam. Yet, in some places Daswan Dwar sounds
like the pure spiritual worlds. (Maybe Daswan Dwar is a "region"?)
>
> In any case, after what sounds like the Casual Plane (Lower Mental Plane),
Paul and Rebazar Tarzs go to the land of Sohang. I believe the color there was
blue.
>
> Will have to check on this.
>
> OK. Here's a link from Dialogues With The Master - reportedly about Soul
Travel events prior to The Tiger's Fang. Page search for the word blue. It comes
up as associated NOT with the spiritual, but the intellectual. It was also
associated with the 4th plane ... where the ruler was Sohang.
>
> http://www.mirrorh.com/dwtm.html
>
> "The color of this plane is blue ... ." appears in DWTM book, as I just
showed. It appears again in Introduction to Eckankar.
>
> http://www.mirrorh.com/itecpwPage2.html
>
> And again in The Far Country.
>
> http://www.mirrorh.com/tfctfc.html
>
> OK. So here we find a similar story in three Eckankar books (btw, Why does
R.T. repeat so much of this stuff to P.T. twice?; in DWTM & TFC?
>
> ***
>
> There is a lot of similar material in The Path of the Masters by Julian
Johnson, but a scan of the book brings up the word blue NADA times.
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
>
>
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters#page/n1/mo\
de/2up
>
> Needless to say, the color blue is associated with the Mental Plane in a
number of traditions. Perhaps even mentioned in RadhaSoami tradition, but in
another text?
>
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
<prometheus_973@> wrote:
> >
> > Twitchell's Last Mystic World Article
> > July-August-September 1971
> > [Difficulties of Becoming the
> > LEM, pages 251-254]
> >
> > Up until his last days Twitchell
> > was still conning people and
> > rewriting his and ECKankar's
> > history (in third person) in order
> > to give validation to his outlandish
> > claims/lies/dogma. And, for
> > some reason people believed
> > it!
> >
> > Where's Klemp's Virgin Birth
> > that would qualify him as a
> > "Mahanta?" Klemp was born
> > the second child. Is the original
> > (1969) Mahanta and founder
> > of ECKankar, Twitchell, lying
> > about these details or is Klemp
> > merely posing as the Mahanta?
> >
> > It has to be one or the other.
> > Both versions cannot be true!
> >
> > Thus, the foundation of ECKankar
> > (stated in the Shariyat) revolving
> > around PT being the "Mahanta" via
> > a Virgin Birth is either a lie, or Klemp
> > has been lying for 30 years about
> > being the Mahanta since he was
> > ineligible to begin with.
> >
> >
> > Check the index of the Shariyat
> > Book One for "Mahanta, birth of."
> >
> >
> > Yes, it's interesting that Twitchell
> > had no knowledge of the "Mahanta"
> > Consciousness for 18 years after
> > (finishing with) his 12th Initiation,
> > by Rebazar circa 1951, to ECK Master
> > status!
> >
> >
> > PT (Shariyat One):
> > "This time the ancient prediction
> > that a New World Avatar would
> > be born on a great body of water,
> > near the shores where horses grazed
> > was to become true. This time Peddar
> > Zaskq was born on a Mississippi
> > river packet enroute to New Orleans.
> >
> > The Miraculous Birth took place
> > just below the city of Natchez,
> > Mississippi near a stock farm.
> > At the time of his birth, a great
> > earthquake shook the Mississippi
> > valley, forming a vast body of
> > lakes in western Tennessee.
> >
> > There appeared a BLUE CARNATION
> > in a vase on a night table by the
> > mother's bed."
> >
> > ME: This Blue Carnation symbol
> > of the Mahanta Consciousness
> > was created by Twitchell after-the-
> > fact with 20/20 hindsight. This is
> > another rewrite by Twitchell. If he
> > did have the "Mahanta Consciousness"
> > then why didn't he mention it prior
> > to 1969? This 1971 pub is to rectify
> > that mistake and act as a cover-up.
> >
> > However, when looking at the timeline
> > for the 1969 creation of the Mahanta
> > and his Virgin Birth we can see that
> > Twitchell's authority was being challenged
> > from within and without of ECKankar.
> > This move was to both elevate and
> > solidify his position as the sole leader
> > of ECKankar.... forever or until another
> > comes on the scene who can claim to
> > have had a Virgin Birth.
> >
> > This is why Darwin Gross never really
> > claimed to be the Mahanta. The Blue
> > carnation was merely in keeping with
> > tradition. It did not actually mean that
> > DG nor HK was actually a "Full" Mahanta
> > as Klemp has claimed. ECKankar's
> > Holy Scripture contradicts the claims
> > that Klemp has made. Therefore, Klemp
> > is a liar! Or, is the Holy Book of ECKankar
> > full of lies? It's one or the other!
> >
> >
> > PT: "The work of the Hierarchy
> > was completed except for the training
> > of Peddar Zaskq. It was immediately
> > arranged for him to be given a home
> > in which to be raised.
> >
> > His Foster Parents raised him in a
> > small souther river town [Paducah,
> > Kentucky]. He adopted their name
> > and became known as Paul Twitchell
> > in the Twentieth Century."
> >
> > ME: Isn't this a different story from
> > what Klemp has mentioned? Klemp
> > and Marman, both, have suggested
> > that Paul's father had an affair and
> > that he was allowed to take Paul and
> > raise him. Thus, the other children
> > were Paul's half-brothers and sisters
> > and his mother was his step-mother.
> > Paul told this lie in order to have a
> > virgin birth like Jesus and other
> > Avatars, and to establish the "Blue
> > Carnation" of the Mahanta connection.
> > This is, also, why Darwin stated that
> > Paul was the only Mahanta for the
> > next thousand years. DG didn't have
> > a "virgin birth" and neither did Klemp!
> >
> > PT: "He [Paul Twitchell aka Peddar
> > Zaskq] looked and acted and was
> > raised accordingly like any American
> > child, except for his enormous knowledge
> > and ability to do Soul Travel."
> >
> > ME: Once again, Twit is selling himself.
> > Snake oil anyone?
> >
> > However, on another note, it always
> > made me wonder why the Mental Plane
> > color is Blue and the color associated
> > with the Mahanta is Blue as well? Why
> > is it interchangeable?
> >
> > Of course since PT "thought" up the
> > whole scheme of the "Mahanta," just
> > prior to January, 1969, it does make
> > sense that he identified the color Blue
> > with this title. When one actually considers
> > the color of this "highest" consciousness
> > it should, realistically, be a lighter
> > color (white) as are the colors of the
> > higher planes. Actually, I've seen a
> > correction of this Blue Light theme
> > with the RESA/Mahanta Star. Notice
> > that it varies between White and Gold/
> > Yellow but not Mental Plane/Mahanta
> > Blue. Sometimes it's outlined in Blue
> > but I haven't seen a Blue Six Pointed
> > Star (of David) used except as ornaments
> > hanging from the ceiling. It's slowly
> > being phased out (corrected) since
> > Blue depicts the Mental Plane Consciousness.
> >
> > I will say that PT/HK having Blue
> > Light depict both the Mental and
> > the Mahanta does keep ECKists
> > off balance and confused as to
> > who/what they are seeing when
> > they close their eyes. This was/is
> > good for PT/HK because it creates
> > a Catch-22 scenario whereby any
> > ekplanation can be used as validation.
> >
> > PT: "None knew much about him for
> > he kept to himself. His companion in
> > these years was his Stepsister who
> > gave him much of his knowledge on
> > Soul Travel. She acted as the instrument
> > through which the divine power flowed
> > to open his consciousness to God
> > again, and acted as his guide until
> > ECK Masters were able to take over."
> >
> > ME: So, I wonder what initiation level
> > Paul's stepsister (Kay-Dee) was? That's
> > probably another story (lie). But, Wow!
> > Paul was really unloading a pile of B.S.
> > wasn't he! It's no wonder Klemp had Peter
> > Skelsky round up and destroy all of these
> > copies of "Difficulties of Becoming the
> > Living ECK Master." Does Marman believe
> > that the true, one and only, Mahanta
> > has to be born of a Virgin like Twitchell
> > states? Or, does Marman think Paul was
> > lying about his Virgin Birth like he did
> > with "Paris."
> >
> >
> > Prometheus
> >
>

Hello Etznab and All,
Thanks for the links.
I thought I'd post some
of the (1939) "Path of
the Masters" info. Perhaps,
later, I'll select certain
passages for discussion.

As I said in another post,
Twit (IMO) used the info
on Judaism, from "Path,"
to create the story about
the future LEM "Zohar" etc.

Anyway, the text below
shows where Twit got the
idea for "ECKankar" aka
EKankar. Ever wonder why
both "EK" and "ECK" are
used? Look at the spelling.
Now you know where that
originated!


***********************
[Based on: The Path of the Masters,
by Julian Johnson, Copyright 1939,
Sixteenth Edition 1997, Chap. Five:
God and the Grand Hierarchy of the Universe, pp. 242-245. -
The Path of the Masters was reportedly written in the 1930s.]

God and the Grand Hierarchy of the Universe

[....]

4. NAMES OF THE SUPREME BEING

In the literature of the saints, God is expressed by many words, such as Soami,
Ekankar, Nirankar, Radha Soami, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush,
Prabhu, Prabhswami, Hari Rai, Akshar, Parameshwar, Akshar Purush, etc. All of
these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human intelligence some
idea of what the saints think of God, or Lord God, the highest power. Ekankar
means the 'one oneness', the body of oneness. Nirankar means 'without body or
form'. Soami or Swami means the 'all-pervading lord'. Radha Soami — radha,
'soul', and soami, 'lord' — 'the lord of the soul'. The word radha, in Hindi,
when reversed becomes dhara. This means 'current' or 'stream of energy', the
attribute of the soul. When the dhara is reversed, when it turns upwards away
from the creation, it becomes radha, the soul.

Akal means 'timeless'. Nirala means 'peerless', having none like him. Anami
means 'without name'. Agam means 'inaccessible'. Sat Purush, 'true lord', is the
really existing Lord as distinguished from all hypothetical gods. That which is
not sat does not really exist. Sat means 'truth', 'reality', 'existence'. Hence
the fundamental idea of truth is existence. The untrue does not exist; the true
does. Hence truth and existence are synonymous terms. Purush implies 'being',
and 'being' implies 'creative energy' — predominating and presiding Lord, the
source of creative energy. Prabhu means 'lord, having power and control'.
Prabhswami means 'all-pervading lord, having power'. Hari Rai means the 'lord
who has real power', the actual king of all, like Sat Purush. This is used in
contradistinction to Dharam Rai, the negative power, who controls the Three
Worlds. It implies law and order. Dharam is 'law', 'order', 'system', and it is
used also to designate religion or any religious system. Hari Rai is Sat Purush,
or Akal Purush, while Dharam Rai is Kal Purush, Kal, or Brahm.

The whole universe is considered as one, the true Ekankar. There is perfect
oneness in the universe, which is also coexistent with God — infinite,
unlimited. Hence, the Soami is nirankar, that is, formless. As such, he is
without personality, hence without name. He cannot be said to be 'anywhere' as
he is everywhere. Since he is everywhere, all and everything, he must be
impersonal. Of course, he may assume any number of forms, but none of these
forms embrace his entire being any more than one sun embraces the sum total of
physical matter.

When Soami limits himself to some extent, however slightly, he becomes Agam
Purush. If a little more limited, he is Alakh Purush, and when he takes a
definite form for the purpose of administering the affairs of the universe, he
then becomes Sat Purush, or Sat Nam. Sat Nam then becomes the first definitely
limited manifestation of the supreme one. But he is not limited, except as to
form. Sat Nam, 'true name', is that which defines his individuality, and points
definitely to the first personal manifestation of the infinite one.

The names of the supreme being in other languages besides the Sanskrit and Hindi
are as many as are the ideas of him. God is an Anglo-Saxon adaptation of 'good'.
He is the chief good or the sum total of good. Deus is the Latin name,
signifying something like 'supreme emperor'. Theos is the Greek appellation,
meaning the chief of those august powers who sat upon Mount Olympus and ruled
the world. Adonai Elohim or Yahveh are some of the Hebrew names assigned to the
god who was first a tribal deity of the Jews, but was later proclaimed Lord over
all gods and worlds. He was the supreme lawgiver, the commander of all the
armies of Israel. He was the majestic warrior whose wrath was so much to be
feared. This is the God to whom Sir Richard Burton refers when he writes in his
Kasidah of Abdul el Yezdi: "Yahveh, Adon, or Elohim, the God that smites, the
man of war!" Fancy the psychological reaction of tender childhood under the
teaching which daily held up such a god to them! No wonder Kingsley, in Alton
Locke, says: "Our God, or rather, our gods, until we were twelve years old were
hell, the rod, the ten commandments, and public opinion."

[....]

The saints are not sticklers for names. They frankly concede that the supreme
one is anami, 'nameless', and so they say, in substance, "Take your choice as to
names."

There is Allah the merciful, of Islam, who sent his last and greatest Prophet,
Mohammed, to gather into one army the desert tribes and break up all their
idols. There are Indra and Varuna, the ancient gods who shine out in great
majesty among the hosts of gods mentioned in Vedic literature. There are Brahm,
Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesh, and a host of others, all gods of the sacred books.
There are Akshar, Parameshwar, Purush, and Purushottam, Sanskrit names for the
creative and governing power. Zarathustra spoke of Ormuzd, and the Norseman
spoke of Thor.

Om is the Sanskrit sound symbol for the supreme one. The North American Indians
speak of Manitou, the father of them all, who ruled over all the tribes.

[....]

The saints have given many names to the supreme being, according to the country
in which they lived and the language used by them. But all saints recognize that
no name is adequate. No name can ever describe God or convey any fair conception
of his attributes. It is not good to contend for a name. What is the difference
whether we say Radha Soami or Ram or Allah? It is quite immaterial whether we
say pani (Urdu), eua (French), amma (Cherokee Indian), hudor (Greek), aqua
(Latin) or water. They all mean exactly the same.

[....]

[Based on: pp. 242-245 The Path of the Masters, Sixteenth Edition 1997]

*Links:
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prometheus_wrote:
>
> Hello Etznab and All,
> Here's some info that looks
> like some of what Twitchell
> had plagiarized. Scroll down
> and check out the section
> titled: Thought-Forms
>
http://www.anandgholap.net/Devachanic_Plane-CWL.htm
>
> etznab wrote:
> >
> > The color blue is also associated with the "Mental" Plane. In The Tiger's
Fang (or was it Dialogues With The Master?) Paul reportedly entered Daswan Dwar,
two levels below the Soul Plane, or Sat Nam. Yet, in some places Daswan Dwar
sounds like the pure spiritual worlds. (Maybe Daswan Dwar is a "region"?)
> >
> > In any case, after what sounds like the Casual Plane (Lower Mental Plane),
Paul and Rebazar Tarzs go to the land of Sohang. I believe the color there was
blue.
> >
> > Will have to check on this.
> >
> > OK. Here's a link from Dialogues With The Master - reportedly about Soul
Travel events prior to The Tiger's Fang. Page search for the word blue. It comes
up as associated NOT with the spiritual, but the intellectual. It was also
associated with the 4th plane ... where the ruler was Sohang.
> >
http://www.mirrorh.com/dwtm.html
> >
> > "The color of this plane is blue ... ." appears in DWTM book, as I just
showed. It appears again in Introduction to Eckankar.
> >
http://www.mirrorh.com/itecpwPage2.html
> >
> > And again in The Far Country.
> >
http://www.mirrorh.com/tfctfc.html
> >
> > OK. So here we find a similar story in three Eckankar books (btw, Why does
R.T. repeat so much of this stuff to P.T. twice?; in DWTM & TFC?
> >
> > ***
> >
> > There is a lot of similar material in The Path of the Masters by Julian
Johnson, but a scan of the book brings up the word blue NADA times.
> >
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
> >
> >
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters#page/n1/mo\
de/2up
> >
> > Needless to say, the color blue is associated with the Mental Plane in a
number of traditions. Perhaps even mentioned in RadhaSoami tradition, but in
another text?
> >
  <prometheus wrote:
> > >
> > > Twitchell's Last Mystic World Article
> > > July-August-September 1971
> > > [Difficulties of Becoming the
> > > LEM, pages 251-254]
> > >
> > > Up until his last days Twitchell
> > > was still conning people and
> > > rewriting his and ECKankar's
> > > history (in third person) in order
> > > to give validation to his outlandish
> > > claims/lies/dogma. And, for
> > > some reason people believed
> > > it!
> > >
> > > Where's Klemp's Virgin Birth
> > > that would qualify him as a
> > > "Mahanta?" Klemp was born
> > > the second child. Is the original
> > > (1969) Mahanta and founder
> > > of ECKankar, Twitchell, lying
> > > about these details or is Klemp
> > > merely posing as the Mahanta?
> > >
> > > It has to be one or the other.
> > > Both versions cannot be true!
> > >
> > > Thus, the foundation of ECKankar
> > > (stated in the Shariyat) revolving
> > > around PT being the "Mahanta" via
> > > a Virgin Birth is either a lie, or Klemp
> > > has been lying for 30 years about
> > > being the Mahanta since he was
> > > ineligible to begin with.
> > >
> > >
> > > Check the index of the Shariyat
> > > Book One for "Mahanta, birth of."
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, it's interesting that Twitchell
> > > had no knowledge of the "Mahanta"
> > > Consciousness for 18 years after
> > > (finishing with) his 12th Initiation,
> > > by Rebazar circa 1951, to ECK Master
> > > status!
> > >
> > >
> > > PT (Shariyat One):
> > > "This time the ancient prediction
> > > that a New World Avatar would
> > > be born on a great body of water,
> > > near the shores where horses grazed
> > > was to become true. This time Peddar
> > > Zaskq was born on a Mississippi
> > > river packet enroute to New Orleans.
> > >
> > > The Miraculous Birth took place
> > > just below the city of Natchez,
> > > Mississippi near a stock farm.
> > > At the time of his birth, a great
> > > earthquake shook the Mississippi
> > > valley, forming a vast body of
> > > lakes in western Tennessee.
> > >
> > > There appeared a BLUE CARNATION
> > > in a vase on a night table by the
> > > mother's bed."
> > >
> > > ME: This Blue Carnation symbol
> > > of the Mahanta Consciousness
> > > was created by Twitchell after-the-
> > > fact with 20/20 hindsight. This is
> > > another rewrite by Twitchell. If he
> > > did have the "Mahanta Consciousness"
> > > then why didn't he mention it prior
> > > to 1969? This 1971 pub is to rectify
> > > that mistake and act as a cover-up.
> > >
> > > However, when looking at the timeline
> > > for the 1969 creation of the Mahanta
> > > and his Virgin Birth we can see that
> > > Twitchell's authority was being challenged
> > > from within and without of ECKankar.
> > > This move was to both elevate and
> > > solidify his position as the sole leader
> > > of ECKankar.... forever or until another
> > > comes on the scene who can claim to
> > > have had a Virgin Birth.
> > >
> > > This is why Darwin Gross never really
> > > claimed to be the Mahanta. The Blue
> > > carnation was merely in keeping with
> > > tradition. It did not actually mean that
> > > DG nor HK was actually a "Full" Mahanta
> > > as Klemp has claimed. ECKankar's
> > > Holy Scripture contradicts the claims
> > > that Klemp has made. Therefore, Klemp
> > > is a liar! Or, is the Holy Book of ECKankar
> > > full of lies? It's one or the other!
> > >
> > >
> > > PT: "The work of the Hierarchy
> > > was completed except for the training
> > > of Peddar Zaskq. It was immediately
> > > arranged for him to be given a home
> > > in which to be raised.
> > >
> > > His Foster Parents raised him in a
> > > small souther river town [Paducah,
> > > Kentucky]. He adopted their name
> > > and became known as Paul Twitchell
> > > in the Twentieth Century."
> > >
> > > ME: Isn't this a different story from
> > > what Klemp has mentioned? Klemp
> > > and Marman, both, have suggested
> > > that Paul's father had an affair and
> > > that he was allowed to take Paul and
> > > raise him. Thus, the other children
> > > were Paul's half-brothers and sisters
> > > and his mother was his step-mother.
> > > Paul told this lie in order to have a
> > > virgin birth like Jesus and other
> > > Avatars, and to establish the "Blue
> > > Carnation" of the Mahanta connection.
> > > This is, also, why Darwin stated that
> > > Paul was the only Mahanta for the
> > > next thousand years. DG didn't have
> > > a "virgin birth" and neither did Klemp!
> > >
> > > PT: "He [Paul Twitchell aka Peddar
> > > Zaskq] looked and acted and was
> > > raised accordingly like any American
> > > child, except for his enormous knowledge
> > > and ability to do Soul Travel."
> > >
> > > ME: Once again, Twit is selling himself.
> > > Snake oil anyone?
> > >
> > > However, on another note, it always
> > > made me wonder why the Mental Plane
> > > color is Blue and the color associated
> > > with the Mahanta is Blue as well? Why
> > > is it interchangeable?
> > >
> > > Of course since PT "thought" up the
> > > whole scheme of the "Mahanta," just
> > > prior to January, 1969, it does make
> > > sense that he identified the color Blue
> > > with this title. When one actually considers
> > > the color of this "highest" consciousness
> > > it should, realistically, be a lighter
> > > color (white) as are the colors of the
> > > higher planes. Actually, I've seen a
> > > correction of this Blue Light theme
> > > with the RESA/Mahanta Star. Notice
> > > that it varies between White and Gold/
> > > Yellow but not Mental Plane/Mahanta
> > > Blue. Sometimes it's outlined in Blue
> > > but I haven't seen a Blue Six Pointed
> > > Star (of David) used except as ornaments
> > > hanging from the ceiling. It's slowly
> > > being phased out (corrected) since
> > > Blue depicts the Mental Plane Consciousness.
> > >
> > > I will say that PT/HK having Blue
> > > Light depict both the Mental and
> > > the Mahanta does keep ECKists
> > > off balance and confused as to
> > > who/what they are seeing when
> > > they close their eyes. This was/is
> > > good for PT/HK because it creates
> > > a Catch-22 scenario whereby any
> > > ekplanation can be used as validation.
> > >
> > > PT: "None knew much about him for
> > > he kept to himself. His companion in
> > > these years was his Stepsister who
> > > gave him much of his knowledge on
> > > Soul Travel. She acted as the instrument
> > > through which the divine power flowed
> > > to open his consciousness to God
> > > again, and acted as his guide until
> > > ECK Masters were able to take over."
> > >
> > > ME: So, I wonder what initiation level
> > > Paul's stepsister (Kay-Dee) was? That's
> > > probably another story (lie). But, Wow!
> > > Paul was really unloading a pile of B.S.
> > > wasn't he! It's no wonder Klemp had Peter
> > > Skelsky round up and destroy all of these
> > > copies of "Difficulties of Becoming the
> > > Living ECK Master." Does Marman believe
> > > that the true, one and only, Mahanta
> > > has to be born of a Virgin like Twitchell
> > > states? Or, does Marman think Paul was
> > > lying about his Virgin Birth like he did
> > > with "Paris."
> > >
> > >
> > > Prometheus

I was looking at a copy
of the June, 2012 The
Mystic World of EKankar
that was emailed to me
recently... [thanks] and
I noticed how irreverent
the irrelevant little Harry
Klemp came across.

His front page article is
titled "That's Irrelevant."
In the article he makes
a few judgment calls by
assuming a woman whom
he imagined as being an
authoritarian school teacher.
Obviously Klemp has some
issues with teachers, but
then again he went to an
all boys Lutheran school.

Oh, BTW, there's a pic of
both Harry and Joan on the
front page. Will Joan finally
get promoted to a 12th this
year? Maybe this will be her
year! If HK retires he'll still
have a spy at the ESC!

Anyway, the story is about
locked car doors and a dead
car battery. Klemp states that
while having a conversation
with this woman that she was
giving him a scorching look
and that he felt he wasn't
measuring up. Klemp kept
guessing at what her problem
was with the doors and when
he gave her an answer she
didn't like she'd say, "That's
irrelevant!"

Too bad she didn't tell Kelmp
that he's "irrelevant!" LOL!
Actually, maybe (indirectly)
she was telling him that!
No wonder HK got mad
and decided to get even by
attacking her in this members
only article and behind her
back!

So, Klemp is making fun of
this woman and is editing the
story so that he looks like an
innocent victim and she looks
like an agent of the Kal. It's
actually vice versa! Plus, you
have to understand that Klemp
is as much, if not more so, of
a liar that Twitchell was.

Still, by reading these articles
closely one can see Klemp's
lack of consciousness. Put
it this way... WWJD if he had
met this woman? Feel the love
emanating from Jesus and her
being receptive to the change
in consciousness? But, instead,
we have the weasel Klemp judging
her and feeding her self-doubt,
fears, anger and negativity with
his own!

Klemp then states that cold
weather is hard on batteries
and she replies that she's
moving but Not to Florida
and Not to Arizona. I found
this interesting since these
two states have been in the
news lately as being rather
racist and anti-consumer.
Apparently Klemp is clueless
about these details and
attempts to belittle her to
ECKists with these comments:
"Not, not! Poor wandering Soul,
so tied up in knots."

But really, is it any wonder
that this woman was acting
as if she was a "negative" battery...
she's female! Klemp (assuming
he's male and not a eunuch)
is a "positive" battery according
to Twitchell's Eckankar. I wonder,
What polarity do eunuch's have?
does it matter? It's all B.S.!

Apparently a "new car battery"
named ECKankar is what she
really needs to transform her
life and take her to higher
realms of being, "And that
would be relevant!" Yeah, right!
Been there, done that, bought
the tee shirt and coffee mug!

Klemp's such a self-righteous
asshole!

Prometheus

Klemp, like the cult itself, has been on a slow humiliating decline for some
years now. While it's obvious that eckankar took a turn toward Crazytown a long
time ago, the poor followers will be the last to figure it out. If Klemp's
ongoing example to us is any indication, self-reflection and self-insight aren't
common eckie traits. It works from the top down starting with the thin-skinned
gawd-man. Far too many bizarre personal fictions are at play in eckankar for
there to be any other conclusion.

More from the June,
2012 The Mystic World:

"Vahana on Wheels"

I saw that in Ghana that
they have graphics of
HK and of the other fake
EK Masters at bus-stop
sheds and they have 3
minivans with the graphics
on them as well. They
claim that people will
follow the vans around
in order to read all of the
propaganda. There's also
a "HU A Love Song To God"
graphic with all of that
spiel.

Anyway, I thought "Why
haven't Eckists ever done
that, here, in the states?"
We've had graphics here
long before they've had
them in Ghana. Then, I
realized why it was. Part
of the reason is shame.
Eckists, for the most part,
are shameful and embarrassed
of their nutty New Age
Religion and of the name
ECKankar! They get very
defensive and, then, they
get indignant and stand-
offish and this effect creates
a care-less passive attitude.
No, it's not detachment or
even non-attachment it's
passivity and negativity.
I remember, once, where
Klemp used the Bible quote
of "throwing pearls (of wisdom)
to swine" (seekers without
ears to hear, or those who
are more discerning).

The one unchanging characteristic
that I've noticed about Klemp,
over the years, is his lack of
Empathy. Really! Read some
of the comments he's made
early on in his writings back
in the '80s and read his comments
that he makes about people
who rub him the wrong way
today. He's never changed,
evolved, nor grown spiritually!

The string that connects it
all together is Klemp's limited
view of other possibilities
(he's very one dimensional),
has a lack of insight, and is
somewhat cold hearted and
definitely narcissistic. All of
this, together, results in his
lack of empathy for others.
HK is more "a master of deception,"
even, unto himself! It's sad,
but more so to those he's
misled and has kept trapped
via doubt and fear.

I wonder, How many old
timers signed on to become
members of a religion?
I never did!

Klemp is the one who created
"Eckankar Religion of the
Light and Sound of God."
And then after recreating
Eckankar from "a Spiritual
Path" into an actual religion
he, then, took it towards
a more familiar "Christian"
based Religion with an
undemocratic/authoritarian
Hierarchy.

In other words, Klemp remade
EKankar to look like his former
Lutheran church... which he
came to disrespect along with
his father.

That was something wasn't
it? HK didn't attend his father's
funeral in October, 1971 because
he wanted to be at the Worldwide.
He showed no empathy for his
mother nor to his brothers and
sister.

I read one story where HK wanted
to be at the '71 EK World Wide
to experience and support first-
hand the crowning of Darwin.
But why couldn't HK have
ekperienced this on the "INNER?"
Very strange!

I read another version where
Klemp thought that Tom
Flamma's shotgun "prophecy"
meant that little Harry might
be crowned instead of Darwin.
This was the real reason little
Harry had forsaken his mother
and her grieving at the time of
his father's death. I hope he's
still happily rationalizing with
that decision. But, apparently
Klemp didn't know that the "fix"
was in and that Gail was doing
her CYA routine with the EK
Board to get Darwin elected.
Funny, but Darwin gave another
version where he was promoted
to a Ninth Initiate, by Paul, in
June, 1971 ("From Heaven to the
Prairie"). Interesting that Klemp
lives in Eden Prairie, MN.

Next, I saw another June
2012 Mystic World article
titled "I Trust the ECK."

This Canadian is saying
that she went through
the whole day with this
affirmation in her mind
(it was a "spiritual exercise")
"and things worked out
wonderfully." But, not
everything was crossed
off her "list," but that was
okay (she rationalized)
she "knew that was exactly
as it was supposed to be."

And, sometimes when she's
under stress she steps back
puts her life on cruise control
and asks the Inner Master
"What do you need me to do?"

Isn't it shameful that Klemp
is teaching ECKists codependency
rather than Self-Mastery!
Why not ask the real INNER
MASTER, SOUL, "What do you
need me to do now?"

IMO this Inner Master promo/
story is being printed in the
Mystic World in order to keep
HK's sheep inline and brain-
washed. However, it also shows
me that Klemp needs his shy,
gullible, trusting and very
delusional followers more than
they actually need him! This
story is simply being used to
promote and reenforce this
KALi codependent mindset...
HK's more the Black Magician
than Paul or Darwin ever were!

Really, why can't Klemp let
his H.I.s go? Those with the
7th Initiation should be set
free of the outer Eckankar!
They shouldn't have to be
members of a worldly religion
bound by dogma, guidelines,
and rules! This is simply more
proof that Klemp is running
a religious scam. Where's the
Spiritual Freedom and Self-
Mastery that were once promised,
in the beginning, and prior
to Klemp's reign?

"New from Sri Harold, Spiritual
Wisdom on Dreams"

Yep! Klemp has another waste-
of-time redundant book out
there that's making him 50%
on royalties. Not only that,
but it's another book added
to his long list of accomplishments.
Klemp has to live up to his
PR that ECKists are paying for.
This way he can boast (indirectly
of course) of being a renown
"author/writer." Yes, little Harry
is very prideful of his accomplishments.
Funny, that he just couldn't
resist getting into Who's Who
just as Twitchell had done
back in 1935. HK's King of
the Hill!

Anyway, back to the book.
Here's part of his promo:

"If people actually did, the
study of dreams would be
much more prominent in
our society than it is today."

Can't that be said of anything?

Once, people studied the
bumps on their heads and
used this unscientific method
to imagine all sorts of things.
It was a very detailed and in-
depth study and many "experts"
became involved and sold
this belief to a gullible/trusting
public. This, too, became very
"prominent in society" at the
time just as seances once were.
Let's face it, scammers will
sell anything. PT Barnum said,
"There's a sucker born every
second." Remember? Carter's
Little Liver Pills. LOL!

So, Klemp is selling his New
Age snake oil just like Brad
Steiger sold hundreds of books
with his crap! Big Foot, UFOs,
and Paul Twitchell anyone?

Prometheus

Prometheus wrote:
I was looking at a copy
of the June, 2012 The
Mystic World of EKankar
that was emailed to me
recently... [thanks] and
I noticed how irreverent
the irrelevant little Harry
Klemp came across.

HK's front page article is
titled "That's Irrelevant."
In the article he makes
a few judgment calls and
assumes ("imagines") that
a woman whom he's having
a conversation with is an
"authoritarian school teacher."
Obviously Klemp has some
issues with teachers and/or
women, but then again he
went to an all boys Lutheran
school and, thus, has some
continuing psychological
issues, as well as, arrested
social development.

Oh, BTW, there's a pic of
both Harry and Joan on the
front page. Will Joan finally
get promoted to a 12th this
year? Maybe this will be her
year! If HK retires he'll still
have a spy at the ESC!

Anyway, the story is about
locked car doors and a dead
car battery. Klemp states that
while having a conversation
with this woman that she was
giving him a scorching look
and that he felt he wasn't
measuring up. Klemp kept
guessing at what her problem
was with the doors and when
he gave her an answer she
didn't like she'd say, "That's
irrelevant!"

Too bad she didn't tell Kelmp
that he's "irrelevant!" LOL!
Actually, maybe (indirectly)
she was telling him that!
No wonder HK got mad
and decided to get even by
attacking her in this members
only article and behind her
back!

So, Klemp is making fun of
this woman and is editing the
story so that he looks like an
innocent victim and she looks
like an agent of the Kal. It's
actually vice versa! Plus, you
have to understand that Klemp
is as much, if not more so, of
a liar that Twitchell was.

Still, by reading these articles
closely one can see Klemp's
lack of consciousness. Put
it this way... WWJD if he had
met this woman? Feel the love
emanating from Jesus and her
being receptive to the change
in consciousness? But, instead,
we have the weasel Klemp judging
her and feeding her self-doubt,
fears, anger and negativity with
his own!

Klemp then states that cold
weather is hard on batteries
and she replies that she's
moving but Not to Florida
and Not to Arizona. I found
this interesting since these
two states have been in the
news lately as being rather
racist and anti-consumer.
Apparently Klemp is clueless
about these details and
attempts to belittle her to
ECKists with these comments:
"Not, not! Poor wandering Soul,
so tied up in knots."

But really, is it any wonder
that this woman was acting
as if she was a "negative" battery...
she's female! Klemp (assuming
he's male and not a eunuch)
is a "positive" battery according
to Twitchell's Eckankar. I wonder,
What polarity do eunuch's have?
does it matter? It's all B.S.!

Apparently a "new car battery"
named ECKankar is what she
really needs to transform her
life and take her to higher
realms of being, "And that
would be relevant!" Yeah, right!
Been there, done that, bought
the tee shirt and coffee mug!

Klemp's such a self-righteous
asshole!

Prometheus

Message 360 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu (45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
1/31/00 5:56 pm part 2---

part two...I am making this very brief...

In a nut shell...I got some angry calls later from the Eck office...was told to
quit Eckankar..I took some of the taped calls to Steiger who was getting
upset...he had over 100 hours of taped interviews with Twitchell...including
Paul's rambling thoughts about creating his history for In My Soul... I brought
two friends along as we listened to these tapes with Steiger, Carmela Powell and
Charlie Wallace...Soon the Eck office discovered Steiger had the tapes and
demanded them from Brad.

I was offically kicked out of Eckankar in 1979 in a form letter with a stamped
signature of Darwin for showing Steiger some issues of The Mystic World where
Darwin was slamming Steiger over a new venture he was involved in.

Charlie was living with Hellen Frye in Sedona...who had already left Eckankar
millions of $$ worth of property in Az. Darwin promised to build a spiritual
site there and never to sell...as soon as Helen died Eckankar traded a lot of
the property with the State of Az for acres in Tucson...which was sold for a big
profit. Helen's other property was promised in a will to Darwin and to
Eckankar..

Charlie presuaded Helen to write them both out of the will...which she
did..after her death, Darwin and Eckankar demanded the estate worth millions of
$$$...the original copy of the will leaving all to Darwin and Eck was missing
and no other wills were in existance...Eck sued Helen's estate...I testified
before the court that Helen was leaving Eck because of all the lies I had
uncovered... Darwin testified an afternoon there, in Prescott, Az 1980...he
could barely walk or talk.

Anyway...Eckankar lost the battle...the estate went to Helen's family
instead...but Eck already had a lot of her property she gave them outright
before her death. As we cleaned through Helen's things we discovered 9,
$100,000. checks to Darwin personally she had written to him. Also, a written
document between the two of them for half a million $ to be paid back to her,
signed by she and Darwin.

There is lots more...fine details...members of Eck attempting to threaten
Charlie and myself before the trial...one high profile Eckist [Dr. Paul
Schoolcraft] offering Charlie $50,000 to lie in court so Eckankar could get
Helen's property...(said Darwin asked him to call...we got that on tape and was
played in court)...gosh..so much crap!!

It took me YEARS to get over my anger...not of just being lied to, but the
coverups seemed to be more hurtful to me...

Luckily, time does heal. What ever happens with Darwin, BB, Mike Noe, Marlin
Overson, Harold Ware and the others involved in this mess...who knows... I know
this is MY time on this planet and I am not going to spend it harvesting anger
from their lies. I definately decided no man shall ever stand before myself and
God...ever.

Why did Paul do it? I honestly have no idea. From a 9 day visit with his first
wife, Camille, his real history was so much more exciting than what he made up
for In My Soul!! He must have had a reason. I don't know why the lie.

Message 362 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu(45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
1/31/00 9:39 pm
Who got the Steiger tapes?

(Did you write up anything on your 9 days with Camille? Whatever happened to
Vandilla Walker and Mary Hald? Did Vandilla talk to you about Kirpal Singh? )

I looks like my first post of the day did not make it to Yahoo...I will have to
rewrite it...telling about getting into Eck and the night Paul Twitchell
died...I was there with him minutes before he died and shortly after his death
and before the paramedics arrived. I was with Vandella when she told Gail Paul
had died...so give me a day or so and I will rewrite that part. I see my 'part
2" made it though

I have written transcrips of my time with Paul's first wife at the time,
someplace in storage, also have many hours of tape of interview with her.

Off the top of my head I can recall a few interesting things. She and Paul dated
in Highschool. Paul was sterile...so they never had any children. This was good
for Paul because he LOVED women and lots of them. He dated Hollywood
starlett...Jinx Falkenberg and Semi- screen star Ruth Savage for a time while
married to Camille. She put up a lot of his running around. In the late 40's and
early 50's they lived in Washington DC. Paul had several affairs there with the
Kirpal Singh group. Paul also was involved in the beginning of Scientology and
wanted to teach Soul Travel but Ron L. would have nothing to do with it.

Paul was a promoter for a while with actor Jimmy Durante and baseball star Dizzy
Dean...whom fired Paul after he absconded with some cash...at least Dizzy
accused him of that...

Paul was a born promoter. His wife told me that Paul would attend county fairs
and pay to have himself paged so people would hear his name. She gave me a post
card Paul had made up in the early 1940's of a lavish mansion...printed on the
front was "home of Paul Twitchell American Author" of course, Paul had never
lived there.

Paul never traveled out of the USA except to go the the Canadian side of Niagara
Falls...so he never did go to India..she read In My Soul and just
laughted..."that's Paul," she would say!!!!

She finally had it out with Paul over Gail...she had put up with his womanizing
for long enough. They were married just over 20 years. She said Paul's favorite
phrase to say was, "Razamataz.." Kind of sounds like Rebazar Tarzs, huh???

Paul was practicing forms of Astral Projection, as it sounds from his early
years according to her. He would sit for hours at the kitchen table staring into
a flame from an oil lamp he had. He did that for years...hours on end. He later
wrote and published a song that was recorded called "the Lamp'

According to her Paul had a deep spiritual side, he read the Bible almost every
day for many years along with other spiritual books. His interest in out of the
body movement was his main interest but little was written about it. He called
it dreamwalking at the time. He wanted to control and teach it from the time
they married.



Message 372 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu(45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
2/2/00 5:36 am

(This is Anya? Or this person is saying that she was there with Anya?

Funny that Anya never mentioned this... and the night Paul Twitchell died...I
was there >with him minutes before he died and shortly after his death and
before the paramedics arrived. >I was with Vandella >when she told Gail Paul had
died...

Who is Vandella? Patty Simpson wrote that she was the first person who contacted
Gail by phone.

Patti Simpson was not there the night Paul Died. Vandilla Walker spent hours to
finally locate Gail. I remember Vandilla making many phone calls until hours
later she was speaking with Gail. I was next to Vandilla when she did reach
Gail, who was 'in the mountains with Darwin Gross that night. I don't know what
state that was...or where. Yes, Anya was in the room if not when Paul died
immediately after.. The man from Pa that I mentioned I could not recall his name
was Tom Flamma. he is the one that announced to the table that Paul had died. He
was just that in tune.. with out missing a beat...he just made the statement.
Paul had left the table 15-25 minutes before he stated that...again, I am
estimating on the time, it was very shortly after Paul retired from the late
meal that Tom announced his death.

Vandilla Walker was a personal friend of Paul's from the early 1950's and at the
time, the higest initiate in Eckankar, a 7th in 1971. She lived in Cincinnati,
Ohio and was hosting the reginal seminar Paul had attended.



Message 374 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu (45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
2/2/00 8:43 am


Michael...read the posting I made on this. I was quoting Paul's first wife, whom
divorced in the early 1960's. The statement she made would be about the time she
spent with Paul...not what he did after their divorce.

The reference was about Paul's travels to Paris and Tibet which he never made.

In my early days in Eckankar much of this information was circulating then. The
quotes from Path of the Masters, Kirpal, early Eck documents giving credit to
Kirpal rather than Rebazar. I heard the talk but it was not an issue with me at
the time. I met Kirpal in 1972 in Columbus, Ohio when he made a tour in the
States.

From the manuscrips that were obtained from the Twitchell family, Mattie and
John, included a vintage copy of Tiger's Fang with Kirpal being the master, not
Rebazar. Last time I saw that manuscrip Ed Peacin (spelling?) had it. This was
also brought up in the court case of Eckankar vs estate of Helen Frye in
Prescott, Az in 1980.

My lesson from all of this is just as my grandmother had told me as a kid, tell
the truth in the beginning and you won't spend your life covering it up.

Paul DID have a message. He definately had the knowledge and wisdom to teach a
spiritual path. I truely believe he was in tune with spirit. My time with Paul
was impressive, I loved the man. He was kind, he cared. Why he created his wild
past in In My Soul...the writings he lifted, etc, I just can't say. Maybe it has
a purpose in the whole scheme of the teaching...maybe it is a way to separate
the true seekers and those wanting a path to follow for the heck of it.

Paths do have potholes, mountains, curves, puddles etc in them...if you travel
ANY path expect to find some. Not trying to make an excuse, I can't, I am not
Paul. But, I knew him and I still believe he did what he thought he needed to
do. I just don't know why.

Maybe "why" is not always necessary.

Maybe this experience was needed to make sure those who have trudged through
this part of their spiritual path to learn to make sure to be honest, stand in
your own power, stand up and tell the truth. Maybe THAT is the lesson of
Eckankar!

Maybe it has nothing to do with masters, hu, Sugmad etc... Maybe the purpose is
this. Become finely keen to make sure every word you say, thought you think is
true, pure and beneficial to the world.

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/eckankarsurvivors/tuzahu.html

HK: Scores of unknown,
unsung ECK Masters walk
among people everyday,
for these Masters are
not all ascended Souls.
They look for individuals
worthy of a spiritual lift.

There is a big picture you
need to take into account.
The Mahanta [me, HK], the
Inner Master, is in all people
in some measure, because
he [me, HK] is the ECK Itself.

It is the ECK [me] that sustains
all living and even inanimate
things. Your challenge is to
[believe my bullshit] and open
your spiritual awareness to see
[me] the Mahanta in the eyes
and deeds of others. [I am
everything, you are nothing].

That is a tall order [and much
much bullshit]! Yet be aware
that you are always on hallowed
ground [mine], and [my] the
Mahanta's tests will come time
and time again [and you will
always fail since you've chosen
to remain asleep and trapped
forever].

When you attain a certain place
of unfoldment [aka weakness],
he [me, God] may send a human
ECK Master [me again] to offer
you a special opportunity [empty
promises] to jump ahead to a
higher level of consciousness
[the dead-ended 7th, now,
attainable after only 35-45
years]. Will you be ready?


Always be on the alert for
one of these divine [imaginary]
emissaries--secret agents,
if you will. They may come
as beggars, mechanics, traders,
etc. [caution, sometimes a cigar
is just a cigar]. There will be
something unusual in your
encounter with them [especially
if you believe this B.S. and are
looking for something magical
to happen, it's called auto
suggestion or brain-washing].

Lesson: Treat all as you would
the Mahanta [me, HK], the Living
Bullshit Master [and buy more of
my books, it's a win/win, for me
and a lose/lose for you... sucker!].

Prometheus

"From the manuscrips that were obtained from the Twitchell family,
Mattie and John, included a vintage copy of Tiger's Fang with Kirpal
being the master, not Rebazar. Last time I saw that manuscrip Ed Peacin
(spelling?) had it. This was also brought up in the court case of
Eckankar vs estate of Helen Frye in Prescott, Az in 1980."

Ahh, So there is court evidence for such a copy of The Tiger's Fang? I
wonder if Eckankar got a hold of that one, too?

-----Original Message-----
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
<EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, May 20, 2012 11:00 pm
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Some Interesting Info About
Twitchell and the Big Lie:

 
Message 360 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu (45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
1/31/00 5:56 pm part 2---

part two...I am making this very brief...

In a nut shell...I got some angry calls later from the Eck office...was
told to quit Eckankar..I took some of the taped calls to Steiger who
was getting upset...he had over 100 hours of taped interviews with
Twitchell...including Paul's rambling thoughts about creating his
history for In My Soul... I brought two friends along as we listened to
these tapes with Steiger, Carmela Powell and Charlie Wallace...Soon the
Eck office discovered Steiger had the tapes and demanded them from Brad.

I was offically kicked out of Eckankar in 1979 in a form letter with a
stamped signature of Darwin for showing Steiger some issues of The
Mystic World where Darwin was slamming Steiger over a new venture he
was involved in.

Charlie was living with Hellen Frye in Sedona...who had already left
Eckankar millions of $$ worth of property in Az. Darwin promised to
build a spiritual site there and never to sell...as soon as Helen died
Eckankar traded a lot of the property with the State of Az for acres in
Tucson...which was sold for a big profit. Helen's other property was
promised in a will to Darwin and to Eckankar..

Charlie presuaded Helen to write them both out of the will...which she
did..after her death, Darwin and Eckankar demanded the estate worth
millions of $$$...the original copy of the will leaving all to Darwin
and Eck was missing and no other wills were in existance...Eck sued
Helen's estate...I testified before the court that Helen was leaving
Eck because of all the lies I had uncovered... Darwin testified an
afternoon there, in Prescott, Az 1980...he could barely walk or talk.

Anyway...Eckankar lost the battle...the estate went to Helen's family
instead...but Eck already had a lot of her property she gave them
outright before her death. As we cleaned through Helen's things we
discovered 9, $100,000. checks to Darwin personally she had written to
him. Also, a written document between the two of them for half a
million $ to be paid back to her, signed by she and Darwin.

There is lots more...fine details...members of Eck attempting to
threaten Charlie and myself before the trial...one high profile Eckist
[Dr. Paul Schoolcraft] offering Charlie $50,000 to lie in court so
Eckankar could get Helen's property...(said Darwin asked him to
call...we got that on tape and was played in court)...gosh..so much
crap!!

It took me YEARS to get over my anger...not of just being lied to, but
the coverups seemed to be more hurtful to me...

Luckily, time does heal. What ever happens with Darwin, BB, Mike Noe,
Marlin Overson, Harold Ware and the others involved in this mess...who
knows... I know this is MY time on this planet and I am not going to
spend it harvesting anger from their lies. I definately decided no man
shall ever stand before myself and God...ever.

Why did Paul do it? I honestly have no idea. From a 9 day visit with
his first wife, Camille, his real history was so much more exciting
than what he made up for In My Soul!! He must have had a reason. I
don't know why the lie.

Message 362 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu(45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
1/31/00 9:39 pm
Who got the Steiger tapes?

(Did you write up anything on your 9 days with Camille? Whatever
happened to Vandilla Walker and Mary Hald? Did Vandilla talk to you
about Kirpal Singh? )

I looks like my first post of the day did not make it to Yahoo...I will
have to rewrite it...telling about getting into Eck and the night Paul
Twitchell died...I was there with him minutes before he died and
shortly after his death and before the paramedics arrived. I was with
Vandella when she told Gail Paul had died...so give me a day or so and
I will rewrite that part. I see my 'part 2" made it though

I have written transcrips of my time with Paul's first wife at the
time, someplace in storage, also have many hours of tape of interview
with her.

Off the top of my head I can recall a few interesting things. She and
Paul dated in Highschool. Paul was sterile...so they never had any
children. This was good for Paul because he LOVED women and lots of
them. He dated Hollywood starlett...Jinx Falkenberg and Semi- screen
star Ruth Savage for a time while married to Camille. She put up a lot
of his running around. In the late 40's and early 50's they lived in
Washington DC. Paul had several affairs there with the Kirpal Singh
group. Paul also was involved in the beginning of Scientology and
wanted to teach Soul Travel but Ron L. would have nothing to do with it.

Paul was a promoter for a while with actor Jimmy Durante and baseball
star Dizzy Dean...whom fired Paul after he absconded with some
cash...at least Dizzy accused him of that...

Paul was a born promoter. His wife told me that Paul would attend
county fairs and pay to have himself paged so people would hear his
name. She gave me a post card Paul had made up in the early 1940's of a
lavish mansion...printed on the front was "home of Paul Twitchell
American Author" of course, Paul had never lived there.

Paul never traveled out of the USA except to go the the Canadian side
of Niagara Falls...so he never did go to India..she read In My Soul and
just laughted..."that's Paul," she would say!!!!

She finally had it out with Paul over Gail...she had put up with his
womanizing for long enough. They were married just over 20 years. She
said Paul's favorite phrase to say was, "Razamataz.." Kind of sounds
like Rebazar Tarzs, huh???

Paul was practicing forms of Astral Projection, as it sounds from his
early years according to her. He would sit for hours at the kitchen
table staring into a flame from an oil lamp he had. He did that for
years...hours on end. He later wrote and published a song that was
recorded called "the Lamp'

According to her Paul had a deep spiritual side, he read the Bible
almost every day for many years along with other spiritual books. His
interest in out of the body movement was his main interest but little
was written about it. He called it dreamwalking at the time. He wanted
to control and teach it from the time they married.

Message 372 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu(45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
2/2/00 5:36 am

(This is Anya? Or this person is saying that she was there with Anya?

Funny that Anya never mentioned this... and the night Paul Twitchell
died...I was there >with him minutes before he died and shortly
after his death and before the paramedics arrived. >I was with
Vandella >when she told Gail Paul had died...

Who is Vandella? Patty Simpson wrote that she was the first person who
contacted Gail by phone.

Patti Simpson was not there the night Paul Died. Vandilla Walker spent
hours to finally locate Gail. I remember Vandilla making many phone
calls until hours later she was speaking with Gail. I was next to
Vandilla when she did reach Gail, who was 'in the mountains with Darwin
Gross that night. I don't know what state that was...or where. Yes,
Anya was in the room if not when Paul died immediately after.. The man
  from Pa that I mentioned I could not recall his name was Tom Flamma. he
is the one that announced to the table that Paul had died. He was just
that in tune.. with out missing a beat...he just made the statement.
Paul had left the table 15-25 minutes before he stated that...again, I
am estimating on the time, it was very shortly after Paul retired from
the late meal that Tom announced his death.

Vandilla Walker was a personal friend of Paul's from the early 1950's
and at the time, the higest initiate in Eckankar, a 7th in 1971. She
lived in Cincinnati, Ohio and was hosting the reginal seminar Paul had
attended.

Message 374 of 1411
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu (45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
2/2/00 8:43 am

Michael...read the posting I made on this. I was quoting Paul's first
wife, whom divorced in the early 1960's. The statement she made would
be about the time she spent with Paul...not what he did after their
divorce.

The reference was about Paul's travels to Paris and Tibet which he
never made.

In my early days in Eckankar much of this information was circulating
then. The quotes from Path of the Masters, Kirpal, early Eck documents
giving credit to Kirpal rather than Rebazar. I heard the talk but it
was not an issue with me at the time. I met Kirpal in 1972 in Columbus,
Ohio when he made a tour in the States.

  From the manuscrips that were obtained from the Twitchell family,
Mattie and John, included a vintage copy of Tiger's Fang with Kirpal
being the master, not Rebazar. Last time I saw that manuscrip Ed Peacin
(spelling?) had it. This was also brought up in the court case of
Eckankar vs estate of Helen Frye in Prescott, Az in 1980.

My lesson from all of this is just as my grandmother had told me as a
kid, tell the truth in the beginning and you won't spend your life
covering it up.

Paul DID have a message. He definately had the knowledge and wisdom to
teach a spiritual path. I truely believe he was in tune with spirit. My
time with Paul was impressive, I loved the man. He was kind, he cared.
Why he created his wild past in In My Soul...the writings he lifted,
etc, I just can't say. Maybe it has a purpose in the whole scheme of
the teaching...maybe it is a way to separate the true seekers and those
wanting a path to follow for the heck of it.

Paths do have potholes, mountains, curves, puddles etc in them...if you
travel ANY path expect to find some. Not trying to make an excuse, I
can't, I am not Paul. But, I knew him and I still believe he did what
he thought he needed to do. I just don't know why.

Maybe "why" is not always necessary.

Maybe this experience was needed to make sure those who have trudged
through this part of their spiritual path to learn to make sure to be
honest, stand in your own power, stand up and tell the truth. Maybe
THAT is the lesson of Eckankar!

Maybe it has nothing to do with masters, hu, Sugmad etc... Maybe the
purpose is this. Become finely keen to make sure every word you say,
thought you think is true, pure and beneficial to the world.

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/eckankarsurvivors/tuzahu.html

More responses from Klemp
from the June, 2012 The
Mystic World - Ask the Master:

HK: It is very disturbing
when someone we know
decides to end it all [obviously].

What are some likely reasons
for suicides? [finances, poor
health, a loss... but what "wisdom"
does HK opine?]

A Big Factor is an overexposure
to electronics.

Today's technology has far
outpaced human evolution,
so our many gadgets blast
our nervous system, weakening
it [opinions are like assholes,
little Harry is sounding like
Chicken Little].

Add to that a deficient diet.
Soda and energy drinks are
often loaded with caffeine,
which stresses the nerves
and even more [of course
coffee and tea have caffeine
too, and there's always decaf].

Fast food does not supply
us with the necessary nutrition,
which also robs us of the
right fuel for our bodies and
minds [eating it everyday
can take it's toll but moderation
is key].

All the above devolve into
insufficient sleep [as do many
many other factors].

Of major concern is how
the above items may relegate
one's spiritual exercises or
quiet time to the very bottom
of one's daily schedule [this
is a fear tactic, decades ago
even before the Internet Eckists
didn't have time for the S.E.].

We all need time alone;
our intricate systems must
have a chance to recharge
and freshen up [as a recluse
with arrested social development
HK has mastered being
alone, but a decent night's
sleep and a nice hot shower
"freshens" up almost anyone,
oh, and a nice hot cup of coffee
too].

Not mentioned yet is severe
pain as a reason for suicide
[emotional and physical].

People are always meeting
their own past deeds but are
hardly set for the terrible pain
that illness of body or mind
can inflict [it's not necessarily
"past deeds," it's life, we all
get sick and die at different
times and in different ways].

Still, who are we to judge?
Love only. [end]

ME: That's nice. However,
Klemp judges all of the time.
And when he uses "we" he
really means "you" because
he's too narcissistic to include
himself with such introspection.
If he did he would feel some
guilt for his deceptions, but
that too would be rationalized
away by thinking of all of those
rudderless and fearful Souls
that he's given some direction
and hope.

Except, little Harry always
benefits with accolades and
money. The purpose and
lives of his followers have
been deviated toward a
delusional mindset by a
conman.

ECKists will use their free
time and personal resources
working and traveling for
Klemp as volunteers for his
membership and material
sales. They do this with the
hope of receiving meaningless
initiations (and other kudos)
that, supposedly, indicate a
higher consciousness/
awareness when the opposite,
unfortunately, is true. This
scam is sometimes referred
to as "the long con" and that's
what Twitchell created and
Klemp positioned himself to
inherit. It could have been
anybody making the same
claims that Klemp is making
today. Still, he has a lot to
answer for and deep down
he knows it... and time is
running out for him.

The Catch-22 is that Klemp
can't admit to the truth... he
can't be honest (in his last days)
because of several factors.

1.) HK's legacy and image
would be destroyed.

2.) Eckists would feel betrayed
and would question what Truth
really was.

3.) Eckists would have more
time and money to spend on
real vacations and with their
family. They could, also, heal
the problems they've created
with other family members
caused via the nutty Eckankar
dogma.

On second thought numbers
2 & 3 would be reasons for
Klemp to confess and man-up
.... for a change!

Prmetheus


************************
HK: Scores of unknown,
unsung ECK Masters walk
among people everyday,
for these Masters are
not all ascended Souls.
They look for individuals
worthy of a spiritual lift.

There is a big picture you
need to take into account.
The Mahanta [me, HK], the
Inner Master, is in all people
in some measure, because
he [me, HK] is the ECK Itself.

It is the ECK [me] that sustains
all living and even inanimate
things. Your challenge is to
[believe my bullshit] and open
your spiritual awareness to see
[me] the Mahanta in the eyes
and deeds of others. [I am
everything, you are nothing].

That is a tall order [and much
much bullshit]! Yet be aware
that you are always on hallowed
ground [mine], and [my] the
Mahanta's tests will come time
and time again [and you will
always fail since you've chosen
to remain asleep and trapped
forever].

When you attain a certain place
of unfoldment [aka weakness],
he [me, God] may send a human
ECK Master [me again] to offer
you a special opportunity [empty
promises] to jump ahead to a
higher level of consciousness
[the dead-ended 7th, now,
attainable after only 35-45
years]. Will you be ready?


Always be on the alert for
one of these divine [imaginary]
emissaries--secret agents,
if you will. They may come
as beggars, mechanics, traders,
etc. [caution, sometimes a cigar
is just a cigar]. There will be
something unusual in your
encounter with them [especially
if you believe this B.S. and are
looking for something magical
to happen, it's called auto
suggestion or brain-washing].

Lesson: Treat all as you would
the Mahanta [me, HK], the Living
Bullshit Master [and buy more of
my books, it's a win/win, for me
and a lose/lose for you... sucker!].

Prometheus

About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.

This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
squalid little cult.

Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
brochures of eckankar's public face.

I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.

~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
the waking dream here?

~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
even in the most inflated of them.

~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
(They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism,  remote viewing,
psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.

~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
source of it all. He owns that shit.

~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
there's no there there.

~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.

True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions – no
matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.

~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
actions against former members.

But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.

Hello Robokidnx and All,
True, Smith is a piece of
crap and Klemp turns a
blind-eye to his on-line
RESA approved thugs and
to the brainless EK fanatics.

I'll make some comments,
below, to what you've shared.

"robokidnx" wrote:

About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.

ME: H.I.s feel that they need
to "protect" the Mahanta which
is delusional since HK's supposed
to be all powerful and all knowing.

Then again, at major seminars
H.I.s would sit in the front row
in order to "protect" the LEM/
pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
the "negative vibrations" of the
EK audience behind them. It was
like putting a protective curtain
up. At one time this was done
because it was said that the Klemp
was tired from traveling and
his batteries were down. Now,
however, he doesn't travel to
seminars so what's the substituted
excuse... HK's "the holding tank
for karma."

WE EKists had traveled long
distance, were tired and experienced
negativity how this could be
caught or picked up by the
Mahanta and harm him was
puzzling. It did make me wonder
why the All Powerful and
All Knowing 14th Initiate and
Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
(leader and highest of all EK
Masters), could be subject to
the minimally invasive, random,
negative vibrations undirected
towards him. How about us? Who's
protecting us, in our weakened
state, after a long day of travel?


This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
squalid little cult.


ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
Marman knew full what was taking place
as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
and Eckankar Membership Services and
Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
on the "INNER" all that is taking place
with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
then, why are these people a member
of this religion called ECKankar? However,
since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
everything this means that he's complaisant
in what Rich has done.



Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
brochures of eckankar's public face.


I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
They thought they were above the RESAs
and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
name at seminars and in his Members
Only pubs and in his books. I know for
a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
became the foundation of EKankar, it's
no wonder some EKies thought that taking
"artistic license" was the norm.


I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.

~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
the waking dream here?


ME: Klemp has organized and structured
the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
police. However, there's still a lot of
personality and initiation worship taking
place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
titles as well as 8ths and the President,
Peter and those former RESAs who are on
the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
EK leadership seems fractured, and there
are some passive/aggressive tendencies
when it comes to following the ESC's
Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
on how they do things. Some RESAs are
more hands on and others designate a
lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
(Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.



~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
even in the most inflated of them.


ME: I haven't heard that one before
(at least with EKists) but I can see
why some would believe it. Maybe
Twit once found and used that DNA
"spiritual master" activation thing
somewhere and repeated it as his
own mantra? I can see how and why
some would/could buy into that,
except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
are, it's no wonder some could think
they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
the psychic was always seen as an
Astral ability and this is seen as
offensive and of a low KAL level.

Then, again, there are those misguided
ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
their own Souls to, supposedly,
"protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
one RESA police who would try to
read minds and project thoughts
to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
but this person didn't care. Anything
done in the name of the Mahanta
was okay because if it wasn't he
(Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!





~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
(They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.


ME: I never saw it this way.
As Soul we are all, supposedly,
eternal and ancient and have
probably lived in alien bodies
on distant worlds. However,
this isn't discussed much if
at all. It mostly goes back to
Venus. I will agree that there
are some nuttier EKists, especially
Canadians, that do go for the
more phenomenal such as
Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
whatever, etc. But wormholes,
I'm thinking, are scientifically
real... at least in theory.

Yes, it's very easy to bruise
the EK ego. They are very
defensive. What's funny is
that they don't like the GOP's
Presidential candidate, Romney,
and neither do I. However,
at least I can criticize his
Mormon religion. ECKists
can't! How can one cultist
complain about another
cultist. It's a lose/lose for
ECKists.... too funny! LOL!



~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
source of it all. He owns that shit.


ME: True. New Agers are targeted
by Klemp and company. But, I like
Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
it can be fun and creative. Actually,
most H.I.s don't use their computers
and the Internet all that much. Steve
R. and Rich and some of those guys
sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
and attribute their weakened health
to the electro magnetic frequencies
transmitted by electrical wiring and
devices.


~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
there's no there there.


ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
Politicians use it all the time.


~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.


ME: I think we have to look
at religion as a whole. ECKankar
dogma came from, mostly,
Sant Mat which was flawed
as well. Besides, most EKists
don't really read that much
material outside of authorized
ECKankar books.

True, EKists have become very
codependent upon their fake
Mahanta. HK's has even taken
the place of the "Parking Space
Angel." All responsibility is
deferred to "the Mahanta" which
was created by PT in 1969.
EKists, also, look for "signs"
via signs coming from their
imaginary friend and Klemp's
alter ego... the Mahanta.
It's such nonsense that people
who see themselves as "spiritually
advanced" Souls have to become
codependent upon a charlatan.



True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions – no
matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.


ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
development is seen as a
quirkiness due to his detached
spiritual advancement. H.I.s
blind themselves to the truth
because to realize the Truth
would be devastating... what
would they do with their shattered
lives? Plus, what would happen
with their EK friends and family?
And, all of that time and money
and effort would be wasted if
they just walked away from those
precious initiations.


~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
actions against former members.


ME: True! It's obvious that these
people are no more spiritually
advanced than those who water
board their suspected enemies.
However, this simply proves that
the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
Smith are false and that Klemp is
a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
was who he claims to be and with
the abilities to see into the lives
of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
did he allow this to happen? See!
This proves that Klemp and the
ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!


But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.


ME: Thanks for sharing this.
They've helped to make the
case against themselves!

Prometheus

Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.

A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In the
case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any
other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following
death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of
hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake.
The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin
the process now for sadistic satisfaction!

Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult, will
have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult
members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward
this 'karma'.
-Postekcon


--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
<prometheus_973@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Robokidnx and All,
> True, Smith is a piece of
> crap and Klemp turns a
> blind-eye to his on-line
> RESA approved thugs and
> to the brainless EK fanatics.
>
> I'll make some comments,
> below, to what you've shared.
>
> "robokidnx" wrote:
>
> About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the
now
> defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by
eckankar
> with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
> over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
>
> ME: H.I.s feel that they need
> to "protect" the Mahanta which
> is delusional since HK's supposed
> to be all powerful and all knowing.
>
> Then again, at major seminars
> H.I.s would sit in the front row
> in order to "protect" the LEM/
> pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
> the "negative vibrations" of the
> EK audience behind them. It was
> like putting a protective curtain
> up. At one time this was done
> because it was said that the Klemp
> was tired from traveling and
> his batteries were down. Now,
> however, he doesn't travel to
> seminars so what's the substituted
> excuse... HK's "the holding tank
> for karma."
>
> WE EKists had traveled long
> distance, were tired and experienced
> negativity how this could be
> caught or picked up by the
> Mahanta and harm him was
> puzzling. It did make me wonder
> why the All Powerful and
> All Knowing 14th Initiate and
> Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
> (leader and highest of all EK
> Masters), could be subject to
> the minimally invasive, random,
> negative vibrations undirected
> towards him. How about us? Who's
> protecting us, in our weakened
> state, after a long day of travel?
>
>
> This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
> mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
> harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
> public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest
of
> us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
> difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
> directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of
this
> squalid little cult.
>
>
> ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
> Marman knew full what was taking place
> as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
> ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
> and Eckankar Membership Services and
> Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
> a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
> for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
> on the "INNER" all that is taking place
> with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
> then, why are these people a member
> of this religion called ECKankar? However,
> since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
> everything this means that he's complaisant
> in what Rich has done.
>
>
>
> Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
> writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
> inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens
far
> from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
> prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed
four-color
> brochures of eckankar's public face.
>
>
> I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
> as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
> They thought they were above the RESAs
> and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
> was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
> name at seminars and in his Members
> Only pubs and in his books. I know for
> a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
> But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
> became the foundation of EKankar, it's
> no wonder some EKies thought that taking
> "artistic license" was the norm.
>
>
> I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
> to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I
got
> a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens
of
> posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
> coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
> Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
>
> ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
> own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and
the
> larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
> the waking dream here?
>
>
> ME: Klemp has organized and structured
> the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
> police. However, there's still a lot of
> personality and initiation worship taking
> place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
> popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
> titles as well as 8ths and the President,
> Peter and those former RESAs who are on
> the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
> 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
> they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
> EK leadership seems fractured, and there
> are some passive/aggressive tendencies
> when it comes to following the ESC's
> Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
> on how they do things. Some RESAs are
> more hands on and others designate a
> lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
> of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
> (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
>
>
>
> ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
> Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
> ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
> powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
> got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
> higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking
their
> word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
> even in the most inflated of them.
>
>
> ME: I haven't heard that one before
> (at least with EKists) but I can see
> why some would believe it. Maybe
> Twit once found and used that DNA
> "spiritual master" activation thing
> somewhere and repeated it as his
> own mantra? I can see how and why
> some would/could buy into that,
> except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
> But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
> are, it's no wonder some could think
> they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
> the psychic was always seen as an
> Astral ability and this is seen as
> offensive and of a low KAL level.
>
> Then, again, there are those misguided
> ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
> their own Souls to, supposedly,
> "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
> one RESA police who would try to
> read minds and project thoughts
> to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
> but this person didn't care. Anything
> done in the name of the Mahanta
> was okay because if it wasn't he
> (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
>
>
>
>
>
> ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations
of
> a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
> universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
> embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or
questioned.
> (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the
strange
> puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This
self-identity
> is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
> borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
> particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
> reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind
control,
> bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
> denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
> spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
> psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
> fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
> the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
>
>
> ME: I never saw it this way.
> As Soul we are all, supposedly,
> eternal and ancient and have
> probably lived in alien bodies
> on distant worlds. However,
> this isn't discussed much if
> at all. It mostly goes back to
> Venus. I will agree that there
> are some nuttier EKists, especially
> Canadians, that do go for the
> more phenomenal such as
> Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
> Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
> whatever, etc. But wormholes,
> I'm thinking, are scientifically
> real... at least in theory.
>
> Yes, it's very easy to bruise
> the EK ego. They are very
> defensive. What's funny is
> that they don't like the GOP's
> Presidential candidate, Romney,
> and neither do I. However,
> at least I can criticize his
> Mormon religion. ECKists
> can't! How can one cultist
> complain about another
> cultist. It's a lose/lose for
> ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
>
>
>
> ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
> websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently
knows
> all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
> higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
> that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
> source of it all. He owns that shit.
>
>
> ME: True. New Agers are targeted
> by Klemp and company. But, I like
> Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
> it can be fun and creative. Actually,
> most H.I.s don't use their computers
> and the Internet all that much. Steve
> R. and Rich and some of those guys
> sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
> and attribute their weakened health
> to the electro magnetic frequencies
> transmitted by electrical wiring and
> devices.
>
>
> ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
> necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
> Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
> neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
> Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire
menagerie
> of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
> there's no there there.
>
>
> ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
> Politicians use it all the time.
>
>
> ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
> pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
> much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since
the
> universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing
actually
> contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
> eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
> notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
> and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed
guesses.
>
>
> ME: I think we have to look
> at religion as a whole. ECKankar
> dogma came from, mostly,
> Sant Mat which was flawed
> as well. Besides, most EKists
> don't really read that much
> material outside of authorized
> ECKankar books.
>
> True, EKists have become very
> codependent upon their fake
> Mahanta. HK's has even taken
> the place of the "Parking Space
> Angel." All responsibility is
> deferred to "the Mahanta" which
> was created by PT in 1969.
> EKists, also, look for "signs"
> via signs coming from their
> imaginary friend and Klemp's
> alter ego... the Mahanta.
> It's such nonsense that people
> who see themselves as "spiritually
> advanced" Souls have to become
> codependent upon a charlatan.
>
>
>
> True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
> smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
> experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
> self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions –
no
> matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from
Klemp's
> oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
>
>
> ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
> development is seen as a
> quirkiness due to his detached
> spiritual advancement. H.I.s
> blind themselves to the truth
> because to realize the Truth
> would be devastating... what
> would they do with their shattered
> lives? Plus, what would happen
> with their EK friends and family?
> And, all of that time and money
> and effort would be wasted if
> they just walked away from those
> precious initiations.
>
>
> ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
> harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
> carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
> psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
> actions against former members.
>
>
> ME: True! It's obvious that these
> people are no more spiritually
> advanced than those who water
> board their suspected enemies.
> However, this simply proves that
> the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
> Smith are false and that Klemp is
> a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
> was who he claims to be and with
> the abilities to see into the lives
> of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
> did he allow this to happen? See!
> This proves that Klemp and the
> ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
>
>
> But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
> discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened
me
> and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give
readers
> a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
>
>
> ME: Thanks for sharing this.
> They've helped to make the
> case against themselves!
>
> Prometheus
>

Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk
about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non
eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the
narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this
mindset.

noneckster ; )

--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "postekcon" <postekcon@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
>
> A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In
the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any
other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following
death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of
hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake.
The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin
the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
>
> Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult,
will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult
members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward
this 'karma'.
> -Postekcon
>
>
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
<prometheus_973@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Robokidnx and All,
> > True, Smith is a piece of
> > crap and Klemp turns a
> > blind-eye to his on-line
> > RESA approved thugs and
> > to the brainless EK fanatics.
> >
> > I'll make some comments,
> > below, to what you've shared.
> >
> > "robokidnx" wrote:
> >
> > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the
now
> > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by
eckankar
> > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
> > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
> >
> > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
> > to "protect" the Mahanta which
> > is delusional since HK's supposed
> > to be all powerful and all knowing.
> >
> > Then again, at major seminars
> > H.I.s would sit in the front row
> > in order to "protect" the LEM/
> > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
> > the "negative vibrations" of the
> > EK audience behind them. It was
> > like putting a protective curtain
> > up. At one time this was done
> > because it was said that the Klemp
> > was tired from traveling and
> > his batteries were down. Now,
> > however, he doesn't travel to
> > seminars so what's the substituted
> > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
> > for karma."
> >
> > WE EKists had traveled long
> > distance, were tired and experienced
> > negativity how this could be
> > caught or picked up by the
> > Mahanta and harm him was
> > puzzling. It did make me wonder
> > why the All Powerful and
> > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
> > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
> > (leader and highest of all EK
> > Masters), could be subject to
> > the minimally invasive, random,
> > negative vibrations undirected
> > towards him. How about us? Who's
> > protecting us, in our weakened
> > state, after a long day of travel?
> >
> >
> > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
> > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The
elaborate
> > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words)
through
> > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest
of
> > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So,
as
> > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity
to
> > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of
this
> > squalid little cult.
> >
> >
> > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
> > Marman knew full what was taking place
> > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
> > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
> > and Eckankar Membership Services and
> > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
> > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
> > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
> > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
> > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
> > then, why are these people a member
> > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
> > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
> > everything this means that he's complaisant
> > in what Rich has done.
> >
> >
> >
> > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
> > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
> > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens
far
> > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the
corporatist
> > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed
four-color
> > brochures of eckankar's public face.
> >
> >
> > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
> > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
> > They thought they were above the RESAs
> > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
> > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
> > name at seminars and in his Members
> > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
> > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
> > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
> > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
> > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
> > "artistic license" was the norm.
> >
> >
> > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they
used
> > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I
got
> > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens
of
> > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
> > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
> > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
> >
> > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with
their
> > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and
the
> > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself.
What's
> > the waking dream here?
> >
> >
> > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
> > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
> > police. However, there's still a lot of
> > personality and initiation worship taking
> > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
> > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
> > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
> > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
> > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
> > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
> > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
> > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
> > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
> > when it comes to following the ESC's
> > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
> > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
> > more hands on and others designate a
> > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
> > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
> > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
> > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different
from
> > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
> > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe
they've
> > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
> > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking
their
> > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic
ability
> > even in the most inflated of them.
> >
> >
> > ME: I haven't heard that one before
> > (at least with EKists) but I can see
> > why some would believe it. Maybe
> > Twit once found and used that DNA
> > "spiritual master" activation thing
> > somewhere and repeated it as his
> > own mantra? I can see how and why
> > some would/could buy into that,
> > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
> > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
> > are, it's no wonder some could think
> > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
> > the psychic was always seen as an
> > Astral ability and this is seen as
> > offensive and of a low KAL level.
> >
> > Then, again, there are those misguided
> > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
> > their own Souls to, supposedly,
> > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
> > one RESA police who would try to
> > read minds and project thoughts
> > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
> > but this person didn't care. Anything
> > done in the name of the Mahanta
> > was okay because if it wasn't he
> > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations
of
> > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
> > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic
avatars
> > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or
questioned.
> > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the
strange
> > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This
self-identity
> > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief
system
> > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on
this
> > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
> > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind
control,
> > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate
change
> > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls,
channeling,
> > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote
viewing,
> > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
> > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real
to
> > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
> >
> >
> > ME: I never saw it this way.
> > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
> > eternal and ancient and have
> > probably lived in alien bodies
> > on distant worlds. However,
> > this isn't discussed much if
> > at all. It mostly goes back to
> > Venus. I will agree that there
> > are some nuttier EKists, especially
> > Canadians, that do go for the
> > more phenomenal such as
> > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
> > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
> > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
> > I'm thinking, are scientifically
> > real... at least in theory.
> >
> > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
> > the EK ego. They are very
> > defensive. What's funny is
> > that they don't like the GOP's
> > Presidential candidate, Romney,
> > and neither do I. However,
> > at least I can criticize his
> > Mormon religion. ECKists
> > can't! How can one cultist
> > complain about another
> > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
> > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
> >
> >
> >
> > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
> > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently
knows
> > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
> > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
> > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
> > source of it all. He owns that shit.
> >
> >
> > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
> > by Klemp and company. But, I like
> > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
> > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
> > most H.I.s don't use their computers
> > and the Internet all that much. Steve
> > R. and Rich and some of those guys
> > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
> > and attribute their weakened health
> > to the electro magnetic frequencies
> > transmitted by electrical wiring and
> > devices.
> >
> >
> > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's
been
> > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left
by
> > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
> > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
> > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire
menagerie
> > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
> > there's no there there.
> >
> >
> > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
> > Politicians use it all the time.
> >
> >
> > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
> > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know"
so
> > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since
the
> > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing
actually
> > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're
an
> > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
> > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real
people
> > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed
guesses.
> >
> >
> > ME: I think we have to look
> > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
> > dogma came from, mostly,
> > Sant Mat which was flawed
> > as well. Besides, most EKists
> > don't really read that much
> > material outside of authorized
> > ECKankar books.
> >
> > True, EKists have become very
> > codependent upon their fake
> > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
> > the place of the "Parking Space
> > Angel." All responsibility is
> > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
> > was created by PT in 1969.
> > EKists, also, look for "signs"
> > via signs coming from their
> > imaginary friend and Klemp's
> > alter ego... the Mahanta.
> > It's such nonsense that people
> > who see themselves as "spiritually
> > advanced" Souls have to become
> > codependent upon a charlatan.
> >
> >
> >
> > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
> > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
> > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
> > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions
– no
> > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from
Klemp's
> > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
> >
> >
> > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
> > development is seen as a
> > quirkiness due to his detached
> > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
> > blind themselves to the truth
> > because to realize the Truth
> > would be devastating... what
> > would they do with their shattered
> > lives? Plus, what would happen
> > with their EK friends and family?
> > And, all of that time and money
> > and effort would be wasted if
> > they just walked away from those
> > precious initiations.
> >
> >
> > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
> > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
> > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
> > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
> > actions against former members.
> >
> >
> > ME: True! It's obvious that these
> > people are no more spiritually
> > advanced than those who water
> > board their suspected enemies.
> > However, this simply proves that
> > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
> > Smith are false and that Klemp is
> > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
> > was who he claims to be and with
> > the abilities to see into the lives
> > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
> > did he allow this to happen? See!
> > This proves that Klemp and the
> > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
> >
> >
> > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
> > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and
threatened me
> > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give
readers
> > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it
is.
> >
> >
> > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
> > They've helped to make the
> > case against themselves!
> >
> > Prometheus
> >
>

Hello Janice, Non, and All,
Since EK Dogma states that
Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM)
is aware of everything his
H.I.s do, then, HK must be
aware of what Rich Smith
and his other H.I.s are doing.

And, since Rich and other
H.I.s are acting like KAL
agents by being Negative,
unfriendly, unkind, unloving
and mean spirited, then,
we have to logically assume
that they are doing this
with the full knowledge
and approval of the full
Mahanta, Klemp. And, since
HK hasn't taken any action
to demote or to denounce
them it is because Klemp
has approved their actions.
Is trickery and negativity
what a Black Magician
would approve or the
Mahanta?

What's this really mean?
It's obvious! It proves that
Klemp is a fraud. If he's
not a Black Magician then
he's a conman!

If Klemp had honesty and
integrity he would have
taken action against Smith
and others. Really, if Klemp
truly "knew" via Inner
communication with his
H.I.s he would have known
what Smith and the others
are/were doing and stopped
it.

So, HK either didn't know
or he approved it.

Also, if Klemp was really
what he claimed, Rich Smith's
consciousness would have
been raised higher so that
he would know right from
wrong. But, come on! Non-
EKists know right from wrong
so why doesn't an EK Higher
Initiate. Isn't there or shouldn't
there be a Higher standard
for people that are supposed
to be more "spiritually advanced?"

After all, Klemp preaches
that nothing in the world
of Maya matters. Politics
don't matter and what people
(non-EKists) say and do
shouldn't matter... but
Klemp is a hypocrite, a
narcissist and a fraud.

H.I.s act like they do because
they are no more advanced
in consciousness than when
they first joined. They're just
more knowledgable of dogma
and of holding meetings. They
failed the test and don't see
that Eckankar was Twitchell's
trap and his joke. It's simply
another illusional religion
designed to distract and
placate the trusting and the
naive, as well as, the psychopathic,
the needy and the lazy.

Prometheus

Janice wrote:
Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments.  Just as scientology has
started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist,
hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same.  I
hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or
corporate level.  From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative
publicity.  So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be
to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of
integrity.  Documented proof is easier today than in times past.  Technology
today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices
that weren't possible a few years before.  I hope any person experiencing
harassment would document and save.  These people seem to lose their heads
easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the
goods on them.  If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your
kool.  Let them rant and rave.  When you got enough against them, sock it to
them in court.  Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end
up defending themselves on their own.  It might go a long way in showing those
still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved
with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well
wishes to one and all.

Non <eckchains wrote:

Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk
about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non
eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the
narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this
mindset.

noneckster ; )

"postekcon" wrote:
>
>
> Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
>
> A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In
the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any
other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following
death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of
hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake.
The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin
the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
>
> Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult,
will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult
members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward
this 'karma'.
> -Postekcon
>
>
  <prometheus_wrote:
> >
> > Hello Robokidnx and All,
> > True, Smith is a piece of
> > crap and Klemp turns a
> > blind-eye to his on-line
> > RESA approved thugs and
> > to the brainless EK fanatics.
> >
> > I'll make some comments,
> > below, to what you've shared.
> >
> > "robokidnx" wrote:
> >
> > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the
now
> > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by
eckankar
> > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
> > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
> >
> > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
> > to "protect" the Mahanta which
> > is delusional since HK's supposed
> > to be all powerful and all knowing.
> >
> > Then again, at major seminars
> > H.I.s would sit in the front row
> > in order to "protect" the LEM/
> > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
> > the "negative vibrations" of the
> > EK audience behind them. It was
> > like putting a protective curtain
> > up. At one time this was done
> > because it was said that the Klemp
> > was tired from traveling and
> > his batteries were down. Now,
> > however, he doesn't travel to
> > seminars so what's the substituted
> > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
> > for karma."
> >
> > WE EKists had traveled long
> > distance, were tired and experienced
> > negativity how this could be
> > caught or picked up by the
> > Mahanta and harm him was
> > puzzling. It did make me wonder
> > why the All Powerful and
> > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
> > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
> > (leader and highest of all EK
> > Masters), could be subject to
> > the minimally invasive, random,
> > negative vibrations undirected
> > towards him. How about us? Who's
> > protecting us, in our weakened
> > state, after a long day of travel?
> >
> >
> > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
> > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The
elaborate
> > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words)
through
> > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest
of
> > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So,
as
> > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity
to
> > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of
this
> > squalid little cult.
> >
> >
> > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
> > Marman knew full what was taking place
> > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
> > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
> > and Eckankar Membership Services and
> > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
> > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
> > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
> > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
> > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
> > then, why are these people a member
> > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
> > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
> > everything this means that he's complaisant
> > in what Rich has done.
> >
> >
> >
> > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
> > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
> > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens
far
> > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the
corporatist
> > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed
four-color
> > brochures of eckankar's public face.
> >
> >
> > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
> > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
> > They thought they were above the RESAs
> > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
> > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
> > name at seminars and in his Members
> > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
> > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
> > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
> > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
> > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
> > "artistic license" was the norm.
> >
> >
> > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they
used
> > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I
got
> > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens
of
> > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
> > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
> > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
> >
> > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with
their
> > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and
the
> > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself.
What's
> > the waking dream here?
> >
> >
> > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
> > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
> > police. However, there's still a lot of
> > personality and initiation worship taking
> > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
> > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
> > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
> > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
> > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
> > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
> > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
> > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
> > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
> > when it comes to following the ESC's
> > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
> > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
> > more hands on and others designate a
> > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
> > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
> > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
> > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different
from
> > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
> > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe
they've
> > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
> > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking
their
> > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic
ability
> > even in the most inflated of them.
> >
> >
> > ME: I haven't heard that one before
> > (at least with EKists) but I can see
> > why some would believe it. Maybe
> > Twit once found and used that DNA
> > "spiritual master" activation thing
> > somewhere and repeated it as his
> > own mantra? I can see how and why
> > some would/could buy into that,
> > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
> > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
> > are, it's no wonder some could think
> > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
> > the psychic was always seen as an
> > Astral ability and this is seen as
> > offensive and of a low KAL level.
> >
> > Then, again, there are those misguided
> > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
> > their own Souls to, supposedly,
> > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
> > one RESA police who would try to
> > read minds and project thoughts
> > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
> > but this person didn't care. Anything
> > done in the name of the Mahanta
> > was okay because if it wasn't he
> > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations
of
> > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
> > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic
avatars
> > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or
questioned.
> > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the
strange
> > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This
self-identity
> > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief
system
> > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on
this
> > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
> > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind
control,
> > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate
change
> > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls,
channeling,
> > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote
viewing,
> > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
> > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very
real to
> > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
> >
> >
> > ME: I never saw it this way.
> > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
> > eternal and ancient and have
> > probably lived in alien bodies
> > on distant worlds. However,
> > this isn't discussed much if
> > at all. It mostly goes back to
> > Venus. I will agree that there
> > are some nuttier EKists, especially
> > Canadians, that do go for the
> > more phenomenal such as
> > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
> > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
> > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
> > I'm thinking, are scientifically
> > real... at least in theory.
> >
> > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
> > the EK ego. They are very
> > defensive. What's funny is
> > that they don't like the GOP's
> > Presidential candidate, Romney,
> > and neither do I. However,
> > at least I can criticize his
> > Mormon religion. ECKists
> > can't! How can one cultist
> > complain about another
> > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
> > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
> >
> >
> >
> > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
> > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently
knows
> > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
> > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
> > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
> > source of it all. He owns that shit.
> >
> >
> > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
> > by Klemp and company. But, I like
> > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
> > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
> > most H.I.s don't use their computers
> > and the Internet all that much. Steve
> > R. and Rich and some of those guys
> > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
> > and attribute their weakened health
> > to the electro magnetic frequencies
> > transmitted by electrical wiring and
> > devices.
> >
> >
> > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's
been
> > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left
by
> > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
> > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
> > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire
menagerie
> > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
> > there's no there there.
> >
> >
> > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
> > Politicians use it all the time.
> >
> >
> > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
> > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know"
so
> > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since
the
> > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing
actually
> > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're
an
> > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
> > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real
people
> > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed
guesses.
> >
> >
> > ME: I think we have to look
> > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
> > dogma came from, mostly,
> > Sant Mat which was flawed
> > as well. Besides, most EKists
> > don't really read that much
> > material outside of authorized
> > ECKankar books.
> >
> > True, EKists have become very
> > codependent upon their fake
> > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
> > the place of the "Parking Space
> > Angel." All responsibility is
> > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
> > was created by PT in 1969.
> > EKists, also, look for "signs"
> > via signs coming from their
> > imaginary friend and Klemp's
> > alter ego... the Mahanta.
> > It's such nonsense that people
> > who see themselves as "spiritually
> > advanced" Souls have to become
> > codependent upon a charlatan.
> >
> >
> >
> > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
> > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
> > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
> > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions
â€" no
> > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from
Klemp's
> > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
> >
> >
> > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
> > development is seen as a
> > quirkiness due to his detached
> > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
> > blind themselves to the truth
> > because to realize the Truth
> > would be devastating... what
> > would they do with their shattered
> > lives? Plus, what would happen
> > with their EK friends and family?
> > And, all of that time and money
> > and effort would be wasted if
> > they just walked away from those
> > precious initiations.
> >
> >
> > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
> > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
> > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
> > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
> > actions against former members.
> >
> >
> > ME: True! It's obvious that these
> > people are no more spiritually
> > advanced than those who water
> > board their suspected enemies.
> > However, this simply proves that
> > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
> > Smith are false and that Klemp is
> > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
> > was who he claims to be and with
> > the abilities to see into the lives
> > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
> > did he allow this to happen? See!
> > This proves that Klemp and the
> > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
> >
> >
> > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
> > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and
threatened me
> > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give
readers
> > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it
is.
> >
> >
> > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
> > They've helped to make the
> > case against themselves!
> >
> > Prometheus

Prometheus,

I've appreciated your tenacity over the years speaking out against the cult. I
do have to say though, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Klemp is far more
of an authoritarian than you give him credit for. In my dealings with the
followers of the cult, I've observed that they are utterly enthralled to him.
Based on extended dealings with Smith, Clark, Marmon, Farley and many others
(whose names I also know), I can assure you that Klemp is substantially involved
with the harrasment of ex-members. In fact, in the inner circles, they like to
make a show of it.

You forget Klemp's psychological profile. The leader of eckankar, by his own
admission in his writings, is a physical coward and an insecure, highly
meticulous control freak. I have no doubt he exibits OCD symptoms in his private
life. Nothing in ecakanar goes on without his knowledge. Well, at least he likes
to think so.

Free advice? Keep your criticisms based in reality rather than calling eckies
"kal agents" and such. From what I've seen of their colective delusional system,
the stuff that gets posted on this channel is mostly laughable to them. They
have rationalized themselves way beyond such petty criticsms of their "outer"
teaching and organization.

That's why I speak to potential readers who may be considering the cult and warn
them to stay clear. The members themselves are too far gone for any sober
self-assessmnet. Eckankar is a soul destroying experience for people who value
their humanity.










--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
<prometheus_973@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Janice, Non, and All,
> Since EK Dogma states that
> Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM)
> is aware of everything his
> H.I.s do, then, HK must be
> aware of what Rich Smith
> and his other H.I.s are doing.
>
> And, since Rich and other
> H.I.s are acting like KAL
> agents by being Negative,
> unfriendly, unkind, unloving
> and mean spirited, then,
> we have to logically assume
> that they are doing this
> with the full knowledge
> and approval of the full
> Mahanta, Klemp. And, since
> HK hasn't taken any action
> to demote or to denounce
> them it is because Klemp
> has approved their actions.
> Is trickery and negativity
> what a Black Magician
> would approve or the
> Mahanta?
>
> What's this really mean?
> It's obvious! It proves that
> Klemp is a fraud. If he's
> not a Black Magician then
> he's a conman!
>
> If Klemp had honesty and
> integrity he would have
> taken action against Smith
> and others. Really, if Klemp
> truly "knew" via Inner
> communication with his
> H.I.s he would have known
> what Smith and the others
> are/were doing and stopped
> it.
>
> So, HK either didn't know
> or he approved it.
>
> Also, if Klemp was really
> what he claimed, Rich Smith's
> consciousness would have
> been raised higher so that
> he would know right from
> wrong. But, come on! Non-
> EKists know right from wrong
> so why doesn't an EK Higher
> Initiate. Isn't there or shouldn't
> there be a Higher standard
> for people that are supposed
> to be more "spiritually advanced?"
>
> After all, Klemp preaches
> that nothing in the world
> of Maya matters. Politics
> don't matter and what people
> (non-EKists) say and do
> shouldn't matter... but
> Klemp is a hypocrite, a
> narcissist and a fraud.
>
> H.I.s act like they do because
> they are no more advanced
> in consciousness than when
> they first joined. They're just
> more knowledgable of dogma
> and of holding meetings. They
> failed the test and don't see
> that Eckankar was Twitchell's
> trap and his joke. It's simply
> another illusional religion
> designed to distract and
> placate the trusting and the
> naive, as well as, the psychopathic,
> the needy and the lazy.
>
> Prometheus
>
> Janice wrote:
> Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments.  Just as scientology has
started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist,
hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same.  I
hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or
corporate level.  From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative
publicity.  So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be
to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of
integrity.  Documented proof is easier today than in times past.  Technology
today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices
that weren't possible a few years before.  I hope any person experiencing
harassment would document and save.  These people seem to lose their heads
easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the
goods on them.  If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your
kool.  Let them rant and rave.  When you got enough against them, sock it to
them in court.  Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end
up defending themselves on their own.  It might go a long way in showing those
still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved
with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well
wishes to one and all.
>
> Non <eckchains wrote:
>
> Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk
about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non
eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the
narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this
mindset.
>
> noneckster ; )
>
> "postekcon" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
> >
> > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In
the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any
other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following
death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of
hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake.
The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin
the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
> >
> > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult,
will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult
members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward
this 'karma'.
> > -Postekcon
> >
> >
>  <prometheus_wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
> > > True, Smith is a piece of
> > > crap and Klemp turns a
> > > blind-eye to his on-line
> > > RESA approved thugs and
> > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
> > >
> > > I'll make some comments,
> > > below, to what you've shared.
> > >
> > > "robokidnx" wrote:
> > >
> > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on
the now
> > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by
eckankar
> > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which
spilled
> > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
> > >
> > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
> > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
> > > is delusional since HK's supposed
> > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
> > >
> > > Then again, at major seminars
> > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
> > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
> > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
> > > the "negative vibrations" of the
> > > EK audience behind them. It was
> > > like putting a protective curtain
> > > up. At one time this was done
> > > because it was said that the Klemp
> > > was tired from traveling and
> > > his batteries were down. Now,
> > > however, he doesn't travel to
> > > seminars so what's the substituted
> > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
> > > for karma."
> > >
> > > WE EKists had traveled long
> > > distance, were tired and experienced
> > > negativity how this could be
> > > caught or picked up by the
> > > Mahanta and harm him was
> > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
> > > why the All Powerful and
> > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
> > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
> > > (leader and highest of all EK
> > > Masters), could be subject to
> > > the minimally invasive, random,
> > > negative vibrations undirected
> > > towards him. How about us? Who's
> > > protecting us, in our weakened
> > > state, after a long day of travel?
> > >
> > >
> > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of
the
> > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The
elaborate
> > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words)
through
> > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the
rest of
> > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants.
So, as
> > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an
opportunity to
> > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of
this
> > > squalid little cult.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
> > > Marman knew full what was taking place
> > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
> > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
> > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
> > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
> > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
> > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
> > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
> > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
> > > then, why are these people a member
> > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
> > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
> > > everything this means that he's complaisant
> > > in what Rich has done.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
> > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
> > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action
happens far
> > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the
corporatist
> > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed
four-color
> > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
> > >
> > >
> > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
> > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
> > > They thought they were above the RESAs
> > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
> > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
> > > name at seminars and in his Members
> > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
> > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
> > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
> > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
> > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
> > > "artistic license" was the norm.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they
used
> > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process,
I got
> > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual
smokescreens of
> > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
> > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
> > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All
true.
> > >
> > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with
their
> > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp
and the
> > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself.
What's
> > > the waking dream here?
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
> > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
> > > police. However, there's still a lot of
> > > personality and initiation worship taking
> > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
> > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
> > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
> > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
> > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
> > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
> > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
> > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
> > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
> > > when it comes to following the ESC's
> > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
> > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
> > > more hands on and others designate a
> > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
> > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
> > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned
about:
> > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different
from
> > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and
psychic
> > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe
they've
> > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended"
into
> > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking
their
> > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic
ability
> > > even in the most inflated of them.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
> > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
> > > why some would believe it. Maybe
> > > Twit once found and used that DNA
> > > "spiritual master" activation thing
> > > somewhere and repeated it as his
> > > own mantra? I can see how and why
> > > some would/could buy into that,
> > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
> > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
> > > are, it's no wonder some could think
> > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
> > > the psychic was always seen as an
> > > Astral ability and this is seen as
> > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
> > >
> > > Then, again, there are those misguided
> > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
> > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
> > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
> > > one RESA police who would try to
> > > read minds and project thoughts
> > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
> > > but this person didn't care. Anything
> > > done in the name of the Mahanta
> > > was okay because if it wasn't he
> > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical
incarnations of
> > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but
the
> > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic
avatars
> > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or
questioned.
> > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the
strange
> > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This
self-identity
> > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief
system
> > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on
this
> > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
> > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind
control,
> > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate
change
> > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls,
channeling,
> > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote
viewing,
> > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
> > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very
real to
> > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: I never saw it this way.
> > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
> > > eternal and ancient and have
> > > probably lived in alien bodies
> > > on distant worlds. However,
> > > this isn't discussed much if
> > > at all. It mostly goes back to
> > > Venus. I will agree that there
> > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
> > > Canadians, that do go for the
> > > more phenomenal such as
> > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
> > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
> > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
> > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
> > > real... at least in theory.
> > >
> > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
> > > the EK ego. They are very
> > > defensive. What's funny is
> > > that they don't like the GOP's
> > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
> > > and neither do I. However,
> > > at least I can criticize his
> > > Mormon religion. ECKists
> > > can't! How can one cultist
> > > complain about another
> > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
> > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
> > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently
knows
> > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font
of
> > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
> > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's
the
> > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
> > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
> > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
> > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
> > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
> > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
> > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
> > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
> > > and attribute their weakened health
> > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
> > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
> > > devices.
> > >
> > >
> > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's
been
> > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left
by
> > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
> > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
> > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire
menagerie
> > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet
still,
> > > there's no there there.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
> > > Politicians use it all the time.
> > >
> > >
> > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
> > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know"
so
> > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g.
since the
> > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing
actually
> > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if
you're an
> > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
> > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real
people
> > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed
guesses.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: I think we have to look
> > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
> > > dogma came from, mostly,
> > > Sant Mat which was flawed
> > > as well. Besides, most EKists
> > > don't really read that much
> > > material outside of authorized
> > > ECKankar books.
> > >
> > > True, EKists have become very
> > > codependent upon their fake
> > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
> > > the place of the "Parking Space
> > > Angel." All responsibility is
> > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
> > > was created by PT in 1969.
> > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
> > > via signs coming from their
> > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
> > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
> > > It's such nonsense that people
> > > who see themselves as "spiritually
> > > advanced" Souls have to become
> > > codependent upon a charlatan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies
feel
> > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
> > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation
and
> > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own
conclusions â€" no
> > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from
Klemp's
> > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
> > > development is seen as a
> > > quirkiness due to his detached
> > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
> > > blind themselves to the truth
> > > because to realize the Truth
> > > would be devastating... what
> > > would they do with their shattered
> > > lives? Plus, what would happen
> > > with their EK friends and family?
> > > And, all of that time and money
> > > and effort would be wasted if
> > > they just walked away from those
> > > precious initiations.
> > >
> > >
> > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the
whole
> > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
> > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
> > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these
organized
> > > actions against former members.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
> > > people are no more spiritually
> > > advanced than those who water
> > > board their suspected enemies.
> > > However, this simply proves that
> > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
> > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
> > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
> > > was who he claims to be and with
> > > the abilities to see into the lives
> > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
> > > did he allow this to happen? See!
> > > This proves that Klemp and the
> > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
> > >
> > >
> > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
> > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and
threatened me
> > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give
readers
> > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it
is.
> > >
> > >
> > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
> > > They've helped to make the
> > > case against themselves!
> > >
> > > Prometheus
>

Hello robo,
I'm not sure how many
of my posts you've read
but you've obviously missed
seeing the various approaches.
Yes, I know Klemp is very
controlling and I've addressed
that as well. And, I do approach
EKankar for the newbies too.

It seems your assuming
way too much. Not all EKists
are lost and I never asked
for your "free advice" which,
btw, I view as being rather
arbitrary. When I say H.I.s
are being Kal Agents I'm
merely using their "common
language."

I, and others, were long-time
ECK leaders when we first read
Ford's book. Many of us left, so
you see, your premise that H.I.s
are too delusional to wake up is
flawed.

Plus, I don't make petty criticisms
except for fun. EX: Klemp is goofy
looking, doesn't look or speak
like a "Master" and this was/is
an embarrassment to many EKists.
This can be seen as a "petty
criticism" but it's the truth as
well. Many ECKists are embarrassed
when they first go out into the
public and this embarrassment
returns when they are around
more intelligent and people with
a knowledge of cults. Yes, it's
part of the delusion that one buys
into where the "Inner" is so much
greater and safer than the reality
of the "outer." It's pretend!

Now to you many of these
topics are petty since I'm
thinking you didn't really
know the business side
and workings of the org,
thus, it's over your head
is foreign and you can't
relate to it. But, many H.I.s
do relate to it and know
what I'm saying. I'm shinning
a light upon the nonsense
so they might come to see.

Besides, many people just don't
have all the pieces to the puzzle
that led them to being fooled, and
trapped, and I'm simply helping
them to find the pieces so they
won't make the same mistakes
again. People will believe one lie
over another rather than becoming
their own Truth. And, in some ways
this site is like talk-therapy. It
helps me/us to see how we were
fooled.

Maybe we can use some of this
info to approach EK friends in
a non-threatening way.

Plus, it's fun to criticize Klemp
since no one could ever complain
about the rules and Guidelines
and all the nonsense he would
say. There is No Second Guessing
of the Klempster since he's even
"Higher" than Jesus or "God"
and he promotes himself as
a "New Age" (substitute) prophet.

Perhaps, in another post, you could
contribute something more negative
about Eckankar than about this site.

Prometheus


"robokidnx" wrote:
>
> Prometheus,
>
> I've appreciated your tenacity over the years speaking out against the cult. I
do have to say though, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Klemp is far more
of an authoritarian than you give him credit for. In my dealings with the
followers of the cult, I've observed that they are utterly enthralled to him.
Based on extended dealings with Smith, Clark, Marmon, Farley and many others
(whose names I also know), I can assure you that Klemp is substantially involved
with the harrasment of ex-members. In fact, in the inner circles, they like to
make a show of it.
>
> You forget Klemp's psychological profile. The leader of eckankar, by his own
admission in his writings, is a physical coward and an insecure, highly
meticulous control freak. I have no doubt he exibits OCD symptoms in his private
life. Nothing in ecakanar goes on without his knowledge. Well, at least he likes
to think so.
>
> Free advice? Keep your criticisms based in reality rather than calling eckies
"kal agents" and such. From what I've seen of their colective delusional system,
the stuff that gets posted on this channel is mostly laughable to them. They
have rationalized themselves way beyond such petty criticsms of their "outer"
teaching and organization.
>
> That's why I speak to potential readers who may be considering the cult and
warn them to stay clear. The members themselves are too far gone for any sober
self-assessmnet. Eckankar is a soul destroying experience for people who value
their humanity.
>
>
<prometheus_973@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Janice, Non, and All,
> > Since EK Dogma states that
> > Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM)
> > is aware of everything his
> > H.I.s do, then, HK must be
> > aware of what Rich Smith
> > and his other H.I.s are doing.
> >
> > And, since Rich and other
> > H.I.s are acting like KAL
> > agents by being Negative,
> > unfriendly, unkind, unloving
> > and mean spirited, then,
> > we have to logically assume
> > that they are doing this
> > with the full knowledge
> > and approval of the full
> > Mahanta, Klemp. And, since
> > HK hasn't taken any action
> > to demote or to denounce
> > them it is because Klemp
> > has approved their actions.
> > Is trickery and negativity
> > what a Black Magician
> > would approve or the
> > Mahanta?
> >
> > What's this really mean?
> > It's obvious! It proves that
> > Klemp is a fraud. If he's
> > not a Black Magician then
> > he's a conman!
> >
> > If Klemp had honesty and
> > integrity he would have
> > taken action against Smith
> > and others. Really, if Klemp
> > truly "knew" via Inner
> > communication with his
> > H.I.s he would have known
> > what Smith and the others
> > are/were doing and stopped
> > it.
> >
> > So, HK either didn't know
> > or he approved it.
> >
> > Also, if Klemp was really
> > what he claimed, Rich Smith's
> > consciousness would have
> > been raised higher so that
> > he would know right from
> > wrong. But, come on! Non-
> > EKists know right from wrong
> > so why doesn't an EK Higher
> > Initiate. Isn't there or shouldn't
> > there be a Higher standard
> > for people that are supposed
> > to be more "spiritually advanced?"
> >
> > After all, Klemp preaches
> > that nothing in the world
> > of Maya matters. Politics
> > don't matter and what people
> > (non-EKists) say and do
> > shouldn't matter... but
> > Klemp is a hypocrite, a
> > narcissist and a fraud.
> >
> > H.I.s act like they do because
> > they are no more advanced
> > in consciousness than when
> > they first joined. They're just
> > more knowledgable of dogma
> > and of holding meetings. They
> > failed the test and don't see
> > that Eckankar was Twitchell's
> > trap and his joke. It's simply
> > another illusional religion
> > designed to distract and
> > placate the trusting and the
> > naive, as well as, the psychopathic,
> > the needy and the lazy.
> >
> > Prometheus
> >
> > Janice wrote:
> > Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments. Just as scientology has
started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist,
hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same. I
hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or
corporate level. From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative
publicity. So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be
to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of
integrity. Documented proof is easier today than in times past. Technology
today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices
that weren't possible a few years before. I hope any person experiencing
harassment would document and save. These people seem to lose their heads
easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the
goods on them. If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your
kool. Let them rant and rave. When you got enough against them, sock it to
them in court. Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end
up defending themselves on their own. It might go a long way in showing those
still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved
with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well
wishes to one and all.
> >
> > Non <eckchains wrote:
> >
> > Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love.
Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the
non eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in
the narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change
this mindset.
> >
> > noneckster ; )
> >
> > "postekcon" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
> > >
> > > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others.
In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate
any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following
death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of
hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake.
The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin
the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
> > >
> > > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and
ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition'
some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to
fastforward this 'karma'.
> > > -Postekcon
> > >
> > >
> > <prometheus_wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
> > > > True, Smith is a piece of
> > > > crap and Klemp turns a
> > > > blind-eye to his on-line
> > > > RESA approved thugs and
> > > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
> > > >
> > > > I'll make some comments,
> > > > below, to what you've shared.
> > > >
> > > > "robokidnx" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on
the now
> > > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by
eckankar
> > > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which
spilled
> > > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
> > > >
> > > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
> > > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
> > > > is delusional since HK's supposed
> > > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
> > > >
> > > > Then again, at major seminars
> > > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
> > > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
> > > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
> > > > the "negative vibrations" of the
> > > > EK audience behind them. It was
> > > > like putting a protective curtain
> > > > up. At one time this was done
> > > > because it was said that the Klemp
> > > > was tired from traveling and
> > > > his batteries were down. Now,
> > > > however, he doesn't travel to
> > > > seminars so what's the substituted
> > > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
> > > > for karma."
> > > >
> > > > WE EKists had traveled long
> > > > distance, were tired and experienced
> > > > negativity how this could be
> > > > caught or picked up by the
> > > > Mahanta and harm him was
> > > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
> > > > why the All Powerful and
> > > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
> > > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
> > > > (leader and highest of all EK
> > > > Masters), could be subject to
> > > > the minimally invasive, random,
> > > > negative vibrations undirected
> > > > towards him. How about us? Who's
> > > > protecting us, in our weakened
> > > > state, after a long day of travel?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of
the
> > > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The
elaborate
> > > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words)
through
> > > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the
rest of
> > > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants.
So, as
> > > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an
opportunity to
> > > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core
of this
> > > > squalid little cult.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
> > > > Marman knew full what was taking place
> > > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
> > > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
> > > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
> > > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
> > > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
> > > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
> > > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
> > > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
> > > > then, why are these people a member
> > > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
> > > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
> > > > everything this means that he's complaisant
> > > > in what Rich has done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of
eckankar's
> > > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts
deep
> > > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action
happens far
> > > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the
corporatist
> > > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed
four-color
> > > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
> > > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
> > > > They thought they were above the RESAs
> > > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
> > > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
> > > > name at seminars and in his Members
> > > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
> > > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
> > > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
> > > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
> > > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
> > > > "artistic license" was the norm.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies
they used
> > > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the
process, I got
> > > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual
smokescreens of
> > > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves
while
> > > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
> > > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All
true.
> > > >
> > > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with
their
> > > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp
and the
> > > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself.
What's
> > > > the waking dream here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
> > > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
> > > > police. However, there's still a lot of
> > > > personality and initiation worship taking
> > > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
> > > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
> > > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
> > > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
> > > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
> > > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
> > > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
> > > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
> > > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
> > > > when it comes to following the ESC's
> > > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
> > > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
> > > > more hands on and others designate a
> > > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
> > > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
> > > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned
about:
> > > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically
different from
> > > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and
psychic
> > > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe
they've
> > > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended"
into
> > > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides
taking their
> > > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic
ability
> > > > even in the most inflated of them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
> > > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
> > > > why some would believe it. Maybe
> > > > Twit once found and used that DNA
> > > > "spiritual master" activation thing
> > > > somewhere and repeated it as his
> > > > own mantra? I can see how and why
> > > > some would/could buy into that,
> > > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
> > > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
> > > > are, it's no wonder some could think
> > > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
> > > > the psychic was always seen as an
> > > > Astral ability and this is seen as
> > > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
> > > >
> > > > Then, again, there are those misguided
> > > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
> > > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
> > > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
> > > > one RESA police who would try to
> > > > read minds and project thoughts
> > > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
> > > > but this person didn't care. Anything
> > > > done in the name of the Mahanta
> > > > was okay because if it wasn't he
> > > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical
incarnations of
> > > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but
the
> > > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic
avatars
> > > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or
questioned.
> > > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the
strange
> > > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This
self-identity
> > > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief
system
> > > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug
on this
> > > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
> > > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind
control,
> > > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate
change
> > > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls,
channeling,
> > > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote
viewing,
> > > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate
timelines,
> > > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very
real to
> > > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: I never saw it this way.
> > > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
> > > > eternal and ancient and have
> > > > probably lived in alien bodies
> > > > on distant worlds. However,
> > > > this isn't discussed much if
> > > > at all. It mostly goes back to
> > > > Venus. I will agree that there
> > > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
> > > > Canadians, that do go for the
> > > > more phenomenal such as
> > > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
> > > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
> > > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
> > > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
> > > > real... at least in theory.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
> > > > the EK ego. They are very
> > > > defensive. What's funny is
> > > > that they don't like the GOP's
> > > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
> > > > and neither do I. However,
> > > > at least I can criticize his
> > > > Mormon religion. ECKists
> > > > can't! How can one cultist
> > > > complain about another
> > > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
> > > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
> > > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp
apparently knows
> > > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the
font of
> > > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age
Crazy
> > > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's
the
> > > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
> > > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
> > > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
> > > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
> > > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
> > > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
> > > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
> > > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
> > > > and attribute their weakened health
> > > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
> > > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
> > > > devices.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with,
it's been
> > > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps
left by
> > > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
> > > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
> > > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire
menagerie
> > > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet
still,
> > > > there's no there there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
> > > > Politicians use it all the time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and
the
> > > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies
"know" so
> > > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g.
since the
> > > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing
actually
> > > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if
you're an
> > > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you
to
> > > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real
people
> > > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed
guesses.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: I think we have to look
> > > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
> > > > dogma came from, mostly,
> > > > Sant Mat which was flawed
> > > > as well. Besides, most EKists
> > > > don't really read that much
> > > > material outside of authorized
> > > > ECKankar books.
> > > >
> > > > True, EKists have become very
> > > > codependent upon their fake
> > > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
> > > > the place of the "Parking Space
> > > > Angel." All responsibility is
> > > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
> > > > was created by PT in 1969.
> > > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
> > > > via signs coming from their
> > > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
> > > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
> > > > It's such nonsense that people
> > > > who see themselves as "spiritually
> > > > advanced" Souls have to become
> > > > codependent upon a charlatan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies
feel
> > > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
> > > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation
and
> > > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own
conclusions â€" no
> > > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from
Klemp's
> > > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
> > > > development is seen as a
> > > > quirkiness due to his detached
> > > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
> > > > blind themselves to the truth
> > > > because to realize the Truth
> > > > would be devastating... what
> > > > would they do with their shattered
> > > > lives? Plus, what would happen
> > > > with their EK friends and family?
> > > > And, all of that time and money
> > > > and effort would be wasted if
> > > > they just walked away from those
> > > > precious initiations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the
whole
> > > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which
they
> > > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
> > > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these
organized
> > > > actions against former members.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
> > > > people are no more spiritually
> > > > advanced than those who water
> > > > board their suspected enemies.
> > > > However, this simply proves that
> > > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
> > > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
> > > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
> > > > was who he claims to be and with
> > > > the abilities to see into the lives
> > > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
> > > > did he allow this to happen? See!
> > > > This proves that Klemp and the
> > > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
> > > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and
threatened me
> > > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give
readers
> > > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what
it is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
> > > > They've helped to make the
> > > > case against themselves!
> > > >
> > > > Prometheus

It was a Bait and Switch
when most long-time EKists
were fooled. We were told
EKankar was a "Spiritual
Path" and not really a religion,
but we were told Twitchell
needed to play-the-game
to protect the outer org
and for the tax free benefits
in order for the EK teachings
to survive. Years after his
death we found out that
Twitchell lied about everything
and had been a liar for all
his life.

Then, later, Klemp came
on the scene by tricking
Gross into thinking he could
be trusted and that there was
room at the top for two ECK
Masters. This is when the
big changes in direction took
place and ECKankar became
an "official religion" for all
ECKists to see and to promote.
And, it's when Klemp began
to introduce his dogmatic
leanings toward the Lutheran
Church with quotes from
the distorted King James
version of the Bible.

Now, HK is still looking for
volunteers to bring in more
money. He'll say things like,
"You, as ECKists, are very
special messengers of the
Mahanta." Yet, Klemp can't
deliver because he's not a
God nor a Master. Feeling
"special" is a trap. It's pretend!

ECKists are asked to imagine
and dream and convince them-
selves that reality is not this
life... it's more, therefore,
don't look here, look over
there! But, in the mean time,
EKists need to sell more books
and CDs/DVDs and all sorts
of crap which make the same
promises as before, but has
new wrappings and testimonials.
Klemp's KAL trap is one of
distraction and to keep EKies
busy so they don't have time
to think about anything except
ECKankar.

Plus, the reasons for why
Klemp is pushing for ECKists
to volunteer so much and
read his books is easy to
understand once it is pointed
out:

1. His ego needs the accolades.
HK has to live up to his listing
in "The International Who's
Who of Intellectuals" which
he paid for!

2. He has to impress the
other preachers and holy
men, not only in the Chanhassen/
Minneapolis area, around
the world, as well as, his
low/loyal servants/followers.

3. Klemp receives 50%
royalties on everything with
his name on it, therefore,
he needs to push out more
and more merchandise.

4. I'm thinking that Klemp
wants to set some kind of
a record for writing the most
"books." His followers will
feel proud of him, he will
feel proud, and it gives a
false sense of validation
for what he's writing. Plus,
EKists will buy his redundant
newly packaged merchandise
adding money to his pockets
while taking money from them.
But, they're paying to feel
good, so, if not him it would
be something/someone else...
like family.

5. His books manipulate and
hypnotize his followers. It
keeps them living in delusion.

6. It's a way to recruit more
people which means more
volunteers and more money.
Remember, Klemp has said
"there's no free lunch in
Eckankar."

Here's a video from David Lane
that points out that these fake
Masters, like Klemp, simply get
in the way of Soul's freedom to
Be and to grow. Why become
codependent upon a "Mahanta"
or anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i6RjV4ltY0



Prometheus

Apparently, a chief source for the Eckankar teachings has come from
imagination. Even since the beginning. And it looks this way still.

Some things can be checked and some writings Paul Twitchell compiled /
copied / paraphrased from. However, imagination has always been a
source for what Eckankar and Eckists share.

If what comes from "Eck Masters" on the inner is "real" I say it is
most likely real because people in their imaginations made it real.
Imaginations fed by stories concocted by people before them by
imagination and / or concocted deliberately for some other purposes.

Imagination has and can bring many amazing things. Including many
inventions. So maybe it's better to call imagination the source of so
many spiritual teachings and not necessarily some largely anonymous
lineage, league, council, etc. of Masters hiding out in the background
of physical paintings, drawings and books?

-----Original Message-----
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
<EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:37 pm
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] The Religion of ECKankar Is Much
Like Others

 
It was a Bait and Switch
when most long-time EKists
were fooled. We were told
EKankar was a "Spiritual
Path" and not really a religion,
but we were told Twitchell
needed to play-the-game
to protect the outer org
and for the tax free benefits
in order for the EK teachings
to survive. Years after his
death we found out that
Twitchell lied about everything
and had been a liar for all
his life.

Then, later, Klemp came
on the scene by tricking
Gross into thinking he could
be trusted and that there was
room at the top for two ECK
Masters. This is when the
big changes in direction took
place and ECKankar became
an "official religion" for all
ECKists to see and to promote.
And, it's when Klemp began
to introduce his dogmatic
leanings toward the Lutheran
Church with quotes from
the distorted King James
version of the Bible.

Now, HK is still looking for
volunteers to bring in more
money. He'll say things like,
"You, as ECKists, are very
special messengers of the
Mahanta." Yet, Klemp can't
deliver because he's not a
God nor a Master. Feeling
"special" is a trap. It's pretend!

ECKists are asked to imagine
and dream and convince them-
selves that reality is not this
life... it's more, therefore,
don't look here, look over
there! But, in the mean time,
EKists need to sell more books
and CDs/DVDs and all sorts
of crap which make the same
promises as before, but has
new wrappings and testimonials.
Klemp's KAL trap is one of
distraction and to keep EKies
busy so they don't have time
to think about anything except
ECKankar.

Plus, the reasons for why
Klemp is pushing for ECKists
to volunteer so much and
read his books is easy to
understand once it is pointed
out:

1. His ego needs the accolades.
HK has to live up to his listing
in "The International Who's
Who of Intellectuals" which
he paid for!

2. He has to impress the
other preachers and holy
men, not only in the Chanhassen/
Minneapolis area, around
the world, as well as, his
low/loyal servants/followers.

3. Klemp receives 50%
royalties on everything with
his name on it, therefore,
he needs to push out more
and more merchandise.

4. I'm thinking that Klemp
wants to set some kind of
a record for writing the most
"books." His followers will
feel proud of him, he will
feel proud, and it gives a
false sense of validation
for what he's writing. Plus,
EKists will buy his redundant
newly packaged merchandise
adding money to his pockets
while taking money from them.
But, they're paying to feel
good, so, if not him it would
be something/someone else...
like family.

5. His books manipulate and
hypnotize his followers. It
keeps them living in delusion.

6. It's a way to recruit more
people which means more
volunteers and more money.
Remember, Klemp has said
"there's no free lunch in
Eckankar."

Here's a video from David Lane
that points out that these fake
Masters, like Klemp, simply get
in the way of Soul's freedom to
Be and to grow. Why become
codependent upon a "Mahanta"
or anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i6RjV4ltY0

Prometheus

Hello Etznab and All,
Thanks for the post.
It was right on! I'm
beginning to think
that Klemp might be
schizophrenic along
with a few other psychosis.

For one thing, it's clear
that Klemp and his inner
circle are aware that he's
not in control of anyone
or anything except his
own followers, and that's
limited too. The effects of
what HK says works like
Voo Doo. It takes a true
believer to give his words
power. Thus, Klemp is
more the carnival hypnotist
as he programs via repeated
suggestions in order to have
his puppets act, talk, and
believe in a certain way.
ECKists are like chickens
in a hen house while HK is
the fox guarding it in their
dreams.

IMO, half of Klemp knows
he's a fraud and the other
half is thinking that fate
has given him some magical
powers... and to be a messenger
of hope and for the good
of mankind. Basically, he's
scamming ECKists out of
their time and money like
other religious leaders are
doing with their followers.
And, there are probably
the same proportion of
EKists who are hypocrites
and heretics as with all
religions. This doesn't make
any ECKist "special" only
average. But, their egos
need to feel "special" in
order to believe all the lies!

Prometheus




etznab wrote:
Apparently, a chief source for the Eckankar teachings has come from
imagination. Even since the beginning. And it looks this way still.

Some things can be checked and some writings Paul Twitchell compiled /
copied / paraphrased from. However, imagination has always been a
source for what Eckankar and Eckists share.

If what comes from "Eck Masters" on the inner is "real" I say it is
most likely real because people in their imaginations made it real.
Imaginations fed by stories concocted by people before them by
imagination and / or concocted deliberately for some other purposes.

Imagination has and can bring many amazing things. Including many
inventions. So maybe it's better to call imagination the source of so
many spiritual teachings and not necessarily some largely anonymous
lineage, league, council, etc. of Masters hiding out in the background
of physical paintings, drawings and books?


prometheus wrote:

It was a Bait and Switch
when most long-time EKists
were fooled. We were told
EKankar was a "Spiritual
Path" and not really a religion,
but we were told Twitchell
needed to play-the-game
to protect the outer org
and for the tax free benefits
in order for the EK teachings
to survive. Years after his
death we found out that
Twitchell lied about everything
and had been a liar for all
his life.

Then, later, Klemp came
on the scene by tricking
Gross into thinking he could
be trusted and that there was
room at the top for two ECK
Masters. This is when the
big changes in direction took
place and ECKankar became
an "official religion" for all
ECKists to see and to promote.
And, it's when Klemp began
to introduce his dogmatic
leanings toward the Lutheran
Church with quotes from
the distorted King James
version of the Bible.

Now, HK is still looking for
volunteers to bring in more
money. He'll say things like,
"You, as ECKists, are very
special messengers of the
Mahanta." Yet, Klemp can't
deliver because he's not a
God nor a Master. Feeling
"special" is a trap. It's pretend!

ECKists are asked to imagine
and dream and convince them-
selves that reality is not this
life... it's more, therefore,
don't look here, look over
there! But, in the mean time,
EKists need to sell more books
and CDs/DVDs and all sorts
of crap which make the same
promises as before, but has
new wrappings and testimonials.
Klemp's KAL trap is one of
distraction and to keep EKies
busy so they don't have time
to think about anything except
ECKankar.

Plus, the reasons for why
Klemp is pushing for ECKists
to volunteer so much and
read his books is easy to
understand once it is pointed
out:

1. His ego needs the accolades.
HK has to live up to his listing
in "The International Who's
Who of Intellectuals" which
he paid for!

2. He has to impress the
other preachers and holy
men, not only in the Chanhassen/
Minneapolis area, around
the world, as well as, his
low/loyal servants/followers.

3. Klemp receives 50%
royalties on everything with
his name on it, therefore,
he needs to push out more
and more merchandise.

4. I'm thinking that Klemp
wants to set some kind of
a record for writing the most
"books." His followers will
feel proud of him, he will
feel proud, and it gives a
false sense of validation
for what he's writing. Plus,
EKists will buy his redundant
newly packaged merchandise
adding money to his pockets
while taking money from them.
But, they're paying to feel
good, so, if not him it would
be something/someone else...
like family.

5. His books manipulate and
hypnotize his followers. It
keeps them living in delusion.

6. It's a way to recruit more
people which means more
volunteers and more money.
Remember, Klemp has said
"there's no free lunch in
Eckankar."

Here's a video from David Lane
that points out that these fake
Masters, like Klemp, simply get
in the way of Soul's freedom to
Be and to grow. Why become
codependent upon a "Mahanta"
or anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i6RjV4ltY0

Prometheus

Klemp can't let go of his
free sales staff and of his
admirers (followers). This
is why there will be no Self-
Mastery nor Spiritual Freedom
for, even, the 7th Initiate H.I.s!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=122601124538175&set=o.154519340796&type=\
1&theater

It seems Klemp can't help
but show his inadequacies
as a pseudo-expert of both
"spiritual" and marriage
counseling techniques.

Q: Can you help me with any
advice on how to keep the love
flowing in my marriage? It's
been strained lately.

A: (HK) Communication is
a difficult thing to keep open
in any marriage.

ME: Not true! I don't have that
problem. If you're married to the
right person, your Soulmate or
Twin Soul, there's no work or
maintenance involved. It's natural
and effortless because both are
like minded. Apparently Klemp
has never had the Soulmate/
Twin Soul experience and, thus,
has no clue as to what he's talking
about.

HK: One useful technique when
things get strained is for one
person to interview the other
for twenty minutes, with notes.

ME: Is this what Harry and Joan
do? That's both funny and sad!
What's sadder is that EKists will
emulate him and follow this really
stupid advice.

HK: The interviewer is free to
ask whatever he wants. The
only limitation is no question
can be phrased so that it can
be answered with a simple yes
or no. That doesn't open communication.

ME: The "Interviewer?" "He?"
How about he and she?

HK: The interviewer is not able
to defend himself against any
accusations but must sit there
and take it. Of course, the roles
change in twenty minutes. The
other spouse then becomes the
interviewer of hopes and dashed
dreams.

ME: You must sit there and
take it? How about having a
rule of not saying something
you can't take back. And then
the roles are switched around
so that the other spouse can
talk about "hopes and dashed
dreams." That's ridiculous!

HK: It is surprising what marriage
partners learn about their companions
that make them truly interesting
people with goals too.

ME: One learns that via daily
sharing. Klemp is really comical.
If one read all of his writings
it would become apparent that
he is incapable of showing empathy.
He'll give Lip Service to the same
things that Christians do, but
he's too aloof because he actually
believes that he's God like. This
delusion has perpetuated his
arrested development and has
placed him more out of touch
with his H.I.s and chelas. This
is why he needs his RESAs and
those snail mail letters in order
to "know" what's happening.
There is no "Inner" communication!

—From Spiritual Wisdom on Relationships, by Harold Klemp

Klemp should be called THE LIVING LAME MASTER. His advise for communication in
marriage would just cause more frustration and problems. In fact, the main
problem may be that eckists don't really practice good communication skills
anyway. They are taught to follow advise through authoritarian hierarchical
channels. Also, they don't have that much experience with the experience of what
it means to be genuine and to accept that a certain amount of conflict is normal
in even the most loving of relationships. Their idea of love is more of a
concept anyway.
The only good thing about this stupid advise, is that a few eckists may wake up
and begin a life that is more genuine and free from clut like dictums and dogma.

noneckster ; )

--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
<prometheus_973@...> wrote:
>
> It seems Klemp can't help
> but show his inadequacies
> as a pseudo-expert of both
> "spiritual" and marriage
> counseling techniques.
>
> Q: Can you help me with any
> advice on how to keep the love
> flowing in my marriage? It's
> been strained lately.
>
> A: (HK) Communication is
> a difficult thing to keep open
> in any marriage.
>
> ME: Not true! I don't have that
> problem. If you're married to the
> right person, your Soulmate or
> Twin Soul, there's no work or
> maintenance involved. It's natural
> and effortless because both are
> like minded. Apparently Klemp
> has never had the Soulmate/
> Twin Soul experience and, thus,
> has no clue as to what he's talking
> about.
>
> HK: One useful technique when
> things get strained is for one
> person to interview the other
> for twenty minutes, with notes.
>
> ME: Is this what Harry and Joan
> do? That's both funny and sad!
> What's sadder is that EKists will
> emulate him and follow this really
> stupid advice.
>
> HK: The interviewer is free to
> ask whatever he wants. The
> only limitation is no question
> can be phrased so that it can
> be answered with a simple yes
> or no. That doesn't open communication.
>
> ME: The "Interviewer?" "He?"
> How about he and she?
>
> HK: The interviewer is not able
> to defend himself against any
> accusations but must sit there
> and take it. Of course, the roles
> change in twenty minutes. The
> other spouse then becomes the
> interviewer of hopes and dashed
> dreams.
>
> ME: You must sit there and
> take it? How about having a
> rule of not saying something
> you can't take back. And then
> the roles are switched around
> so that the other spouse can
> talk about "hopes and dashed
> dreams." That's ridiculous!
>
> HK: It is surprising what marriage
> partners learn about their companions
> that make them truly interesting
> people with goals too.
>
> ME: One learns that via daily
> sharing. Klemp is really comical.
> If one read all of his writings
> it would become apparent that
> he is incapable of showing empathy.
> He'll give Lip Service to the same
> things that Christians do, but
> he's too aloof because he actually
> believes that he's God like. This
> delusion has perpetuated his
> arrested development and has
> placed him more out of touch
> with his H.I.s and chelas. This
> is why he needs his RESAs and
> those snail mail letters in order
> to "know" what's happening.
> There is no "Inner" communication!
>
> �From Spiritual Wisdom on Relationships, by Harold Klemp
>