The sock puppets said I should be there, and so I will be!

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I've uploaded photos of Tarrent's Gorget (who has the same design as
mine), as well as my gorget.  I show front, side, and back, with out
jacket, with jacket, and with helm on...

~Wilhelm

Greetings!

There has been some discussion recently on the KRM List regarding parries
with the hand to hand, wrist or upper arm of an opponent. The rule in
Ealdormere reads thusly:

G.  Parries may be performed with weapons, parrying devices, the gloved
hand, or any other part of the body. Though the gloved hand may be used to
parry, it shall not be used to grasp or strike an opponent.  Fleeting
contact between opponents is allowed, as long as no grabbling, deliberate
striking, or other unsafe behaviour occurs.

This is the same as what is written in the SCA Rapier Handbook. According to
the person who wrote the rule, it was worded as such to allow the kind of
parries described above and these have been used historically in various
Kingdoms since the first set of rapier rules were written (c. 1984). IIRC
previous KRM's have been ok with this but I don't think it's something
that's been practiced a lot in our Kingdom.

Apparently the discussion on the KRM list has attracted the attention of the
Society Earl Marshal. Below is part of the discussion from the list, with
the statement from the SEM at the top:

----- Original Message -----
From: "siro@..." <siro@...>
To: krms@...
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:17:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [krms] Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment

I'm not Thomas but I think I can answer this for him.
NO.
As a "less reasonable Society Earl Marshal" I agree that intentional
contact is grappling as defined  by our sports.
"Incidental contact" or "fleeting" contact is allowed to stop whiners
from complaining every time they get bumped into.
And just so you know, this question has come up from the fighting
community as well.
The answer there was
NO.
I hope that this is clear and easily understood.
Anyone seen practicing intentional contact should be warned, then if
behavior continues, sanctioned and given time off from our sport to
relect upon the great privilege it is to participate at all.

Omarad the Wary, KSCA, OP, etc...
-"less reasonable" Society Earl Marshal




On 5/23/2010 12:45 PM, Chris Zakes wrote:
> At 11:31 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>> Sir Thomas - I suspect that my earlier email to you disappeared into
>> a spam filter somewhere, hence I'm forwarding this onto the KRMs list.
>>
>> If anyone else has an opinion on this as well, I'd be interested.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> William
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:53:18 +1200
>> From: David Robb <ender@...>
>> To: rapier@...
>> Subject: Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
>>
>> Greetings Sir Thomas,
>>
>> One of my deputies here in Lochac has proposed the following
>> experiment, which I seek your approval for (subject to your answer to
>> a question below). I support this application as written below, as I
>> believe this serves two purposes.
>>
>> Firstly, I believe this expands the available options for combatants
>> in a manner which is consistent with period technique. Secondly, I
>> believe this could clarify the grey area that I believe exists at
>> present when parrying an opponents blade (using the off-hand) when
>> the opponent is using a simple cross-hilted sword and where contact
>> with the sword hand is reasonably likely.
>>
>> However, it has also been asked by my predecessor on our internal
>> list, whether the current rules would already permit such an action.
>> In particular, the clause saying "Fleeting contact between opponents
>> is allowed, as long as no grappling, deliberate striking or other
>> unsafe behaviour occurs."  I personally believe that the action of
>> pressing against an opponents arm sufficiently to move it would count
>> as more than fleeting contact, but I do not consider that it would
>> constitute grappling or deliberate striking (I use striking here in
>> the context of a blow whose impact is the intent rather than the
>> following push). What is your interpretation of the existing rule and
>> its applicability to this situation?
>>
>> Depending on your answer to the above, the successful conclusion to
>> this experiment may give rise to the need for a change to the society
>> level rules, or it may be that such an action is already permissable
>> and merely requires clarification.
>>
>> Thank you, William de Cameron KRM, Lochac.
>
>
> I'm not Thomas, but I think I can answer this question anyway...
>
> Story time, children!
>
> Back in the earliest days of SCA rapier, open-hand parries to the
> wrist werea common practice, and were specifically allowed in the
> first edition of the Corporate Rapier Rules. (See section III.A.9
> here:  http://moondragon.info/wiki/Original_SCA_Rapier_Rules)
>
> Over the next couple of rewrites, that rule was dropped in the
> interest of keeping the rules as concise as possible and because
> "everybody knows that." About seven years ago, however, the Society
> Earl Marshal arbitrarily decided that the hand-on-wrist parries we'd
> been using safely for over 25 years at that point constitued
> "grappling" and therefore weren't allowed.
>
> Four years ago, when we got a more reasonable Society Earl Marshal,
> the rules were re-written to include "fleeting contact" with the
> specific intention of re-allowing hand-on wrist parries.
>
> So at most, you'd need an in-kingdom experiment and training period,
> to make sure people know the difference between parrying the wrist and
> grabbing the wrist  (this shouldn't be difficult, since, presumably,
> they already know the difference between parrying a blade and grabbing
> it) but you shouldn't need specific Corporate approval to do so.
>
>         -Tivar Moondragon
>                 Ansteorra
>         fossil-in-residence
>

SO, apparently, right now, based on the above decision we are not allowed to
parry the hand or arm of our opponent with our hand. I do not agree with
this decision as it seems to fly in the face of 20 years+ of safe usage but
I am bound by that decision. An open handed parry does not, to my mind,
represent anything like grappling. The decision doesn't affect us greatly as
I don't think it is a common practice here, but I know it's been discussed
in the past and was generally felt to be "ok". If anything does change I
will let these lists know right away. Hopefully the SEM can be convinced to
change his mind about this. I would ask that if you know anyone not on these
lists who fences, please let them know about the decision.

Yours in Service

Albrecht

Wow! When did you get the helm?

--j

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Ross Weaver <ross.weaver@...> wrote:
> I've uploaded photos of Tarrent's Gorget (who has the same design as
> mine), as well as my gorget.  I show front, side, and back, with out
> jacket, with jacket, and with helm on...
>
> ~Wilhelm
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Personally, I can see where the SEM is coming from. Considering how
easily a dagger parry can become a whack on the hand, I can see
parries to the arm becoming pushes or more aggressive motions that
could easily be interpreted as striking.

--g

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eve Harris & David Stamper
<evedave1@...> wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> There has been some discussion recently on the KRM List regarding parries
> with the hand to hand, wrist or upper arm of an opponent. The rule in
> Ealdormere reads thusly:
>
> G.      Parries may be performed with weapons, parrying devices, the gloved
> hand, or any other part of the body. Though the gloved hand may be used to
> parry, it shall not be used to grasp or strike an opponent.  Fleeting
> contact between opponents is allowed, as long as no grabbling, deliberate
> striking, or other unsafe behaviour occurs.
>
> This is the same as what is written in the SCA Rapier Handbook. According to
> the person who wrote the rule, it was worded as such to allow the kind of
> parries described above and these have been used historically in various
> Kingdoms since the first set of rapier rules were written (c. 1984). IIRC
> previous KRM's have been ok with this but I don't think it's something
> that's been practiced a lot in our Kingdom.
>
> Apparently the discussion on the KRM list has attracted the attention of the
> Society Earl Marshal. Below is part of the discussion from the list, with
> the statement from the SEM at the top:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "siro@..." <siro@...>
> To: krms@...
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:17:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [krms] Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
>
> I'm not Thomas but I think I can answer this for him.
> NO.
> As a "less reasonable Society Earl Marshal" I agree that intentional
> contact is grappling as defined  by our sports.
> "Incidental contact" or "fleeting" contact is allowed to stop whiners
> from complaining every time they get bumped into.
> And just so you know, this question has come up from the fighting
> community as well.
> The answer there was
> NO.
> I hope that this is clear and easily understood.
> Anyone seen practicing intentional contact should be warned, then if
> behavior continues, sanctioned and given time off from our sport to
> relect upon the great privilege it is to participate at all.
>
> Omarad the Wary, KSCA, OP, etc...
> -"less reasonable" Society Earl Marshal
>
>
>
>
> On 5/23/2010 12:45 PM, Chris Zakes wrote:
>> At 11:31 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>>> Sir Thomas - I suspect that my earlier email to you disappeared into
>>> a spam filter somewhere, hence I'm forwarding this onto the KRMs list.
>>>
>>> If anyone else has an opinion on this as well, I'd be interested.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> William
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:53:18 +1200
>>> From: David Robb <ender@...>
>>> To: rapier@...
>>> Subject: Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
>>>
>>> Greetings Sir Thomas,
>>>
>>> One of my deputies here in Lochac has proposed the following
>>> experiment, which I seek your approval for (subject to your answer to
>>> a question below). I support this application as written below, as I
>>> believe this serves two purposes.
>>>
>>> Firstly, I believe this expands the available options for combatants
>>> in a manner which is consistent with period technique. Secondly, I
>>> believe this could clarify the grey area that I believe exists at
>>> present when parrying an opponents blade (using the off-hand) when
>>> the opponent is using a simple cross-hilted sword and where contact
>>> with the sword hand is reasonably likely.
>>>
>>> However, it has also been asked by my predecessor on our internal
>>> list, whether the current rules would already permit such an action.
>>> In particular, the clause saying "Fleeting contact between opponents
>>> is allowed, as long as no grappling, deliberate striking or other
>>> unsafe behaviour occurs."  I personally believe that the action of
>>> pressing against an opponents arm sufficiently to move it would count
>>> as more than fleeting contact, but I do not consider that it would
>>> constitute grappling or deliberate striking (I use striking here in
>>> the context of a blow whose impact is the intent rather than the
>>> following push). What is your interpretation of the existing rule and
>>> its applicability to this situation?
>>>
>>> Depending on your answer to the above, the successful conclusion to
>>> this experiment may give rise to the need for a change to the society
>>> level rules, or it may be that such an action is already permissable
>>> and merely requires clarification.
>>>
>>> Thank you, William de Cameron KRM, Lochac.
>>
>>
>> I'm not Thomas, but I think I can answer this question anyway...
>>
>> Story time, children!
>>
>> Back in the earliest days of SCA rapier, open-hand parries to the
>> wrist werea common practice, and were specifically allowed in the
>> first edition of the Corporate Rapier Rules. (See section III.A.9
>> here:  http://moondragon.info/wiki/Original_SCA_Rapier_Rules)
>>
>> Over the next couple of rewrites, that rule was dropped in the
>> interest of keeping the rules as concise as possible and because
>> "everybody knows that." About seven years ago, however, the Society
>> Earl Marshal arbitrarily decided that the hand-on-wrist parries we'd
>> been using safely for over 25 years at that point constitued
>> "grappling" and therefore weren't allowed.
>>
>> Four years ago, when we got a more reasonable Society Earl Marshal,
>> the rules were re-written to include "fleeting contact" with the
>> specific intention of re-allowing hand-on wrist parries.
>>
>> So at most, you'd need an in-kingdom experiment and training period,
>> to make sure people know the difference between parrying the wrist and
>> grabbing the wrist  (this shouldn't be difficult, since, presumably,
>> they already know the difference between parrying a blade and grabbing
>> it) but you shouldn't need specific Corporate approval to do so.
>>
>>         -Tivar Moondragon
>>                 Ansteorra
>>         fossil-in-residence
>>
>
> SO, apparently, right now, based on the above decision we are not allowed to
> parry the hand or arm of our opponent with our hand. I do not agree with
> this decision as it seems to fly in the face of 20 years+ of safe usage but
> I am bound by that decision. An open handed parry does not, to my mind,
> represent anything like grappling. The decision doesn't affect us greatly as
> I don't think it is a common practice here, but I know it's been discussed
> in the past and was generally felt to be "ok". If anything does change I
> will let these lists know right away. Hopefully the SEM can be convinced to
> change his mind about this. I would ask that if you know anyone not on these
> lists who fences, please let them know about the decision.
>
> Yours in Service
>
> Albrecht
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Greetings Mateo,

The 1pm start time is a tentative time right now.  I have word that a few of the
heavy combatants who also fence would also like to participate in the woods
battle.  I'm going to try and co-ordinate with the armored combat marshal to see
how long the 10 man melee tournament is going to run.  If I had to wager a
guess, I would say it's more likely that the woods battle will start around 2 or
2:30.

That's about as much as I can tell you now.  Hope it helps. :)  It should
actually help get the prize fights in as well.

Yoshi

--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, John Wyatt <jwyatt2@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>  
> What time is the woods battle starting at this year's Murder Melee?  I recall
there being some discussion about moving the time, but can't recall the times
discussed... Is the 1pm start time listed on the website accurate?
>  
> Also, what EAoD prize fights are being scheduled for the Saturday?
>  
> Mateo de Merida
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Darn.

There goes a whole bunch of close work with longsword...

And I was so looking forward to the class with the description:
Description: Codex Wallerstein is a
comprehensive and essential source for understanding medieval German unarmed
combat. In this class we will explore just one section of this manual: the
counters to strikes with the hand. These counters include
throws, arm-breaks and counter-strikes, among others.

Trust me Albrecht, it's all "fleeting" contact, none of it intentional...

:o)

Hoskuld



________________________________
From: Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...>
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com; RapierMarshals@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 4:43:16 PM
Subject: [E_Rapier] Hand Parries to the Wrist and Upper Arm


Greetings!

There has been some discussion recently on the KRM List regarding parries
with the hand to hand, wrist or upper arm of an opponent. The rule in
Ealdormere reads thusly:

G.  Parries may be performed with weapons, parrying devices, the gloved
hand, or any other part of the body. Though the gloved hand may be used to
parry, it shall not be used to grasp or strike an opponent.  Fleeting
contact between opponents is allowed, as long as no grabbling, deliberate
striking, or other unsafe behaviour occurs.

This is the same as what is written in the SCA Rapier Handbook. According to
the person who wrote the rule, it was worded as such to allow the kind of
parries described above and these have been used historically in various
Kingdoms since the first set of rapier rules were written (c. 1984). IIRC
previous KRM's have been ok with this but I don't think it's something
that's been practiced a lot in our Kingdom.

Apparently the discussion on the KRM list has attracted the attention of the
Society Earl Marshal. Below is part of the discussion from the list, with
the statement from the SEM at the top:

----- Original Message -----
From: "siro@..." <siro@...>
To: krms@...
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:17:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [krms] Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment

I'm not Thomas but I think I can answer this for him.
NO.
As a "less reasonable Society Earl Marshal" I agree that intentional
contact is grappling as defined  by our sports.
"Incidental contact" or "fleeting" contact is allowed to stop whiners
from complaining every time they get bumped into.
And just so you know, this question has come up from the fighting
community as well.
The answer there was
NO.
I hope that this is clear and easily understood.
Anyone seen practicing intentional contact should be warned, then if
behavior continues, sanctioned and given time off from our sport to
relect upon the great privilege it is to participate at all.

Omarad the Wary, KSCA, OP, etc...
-"less reasonable" Society Earl Marshal

On 5/23/2010 12:45 PM, Chris Zakes wrote:
> At 11:31 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>> Sir Thomas - I suspect that my earlier email to you disappeared into
>> a spam filter somewhere, hence I'm forwarding this onto the KRMs list.
>>
>> If anyone else has an opinion on this as well, I'd be interested.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> William
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:53:18 +1200
>> From: David Robb <ender@...>
>> To: rapier@...
>> Subject: Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
>>
>> Greetings Sir Thomas,
>>
>> One of my deputies here in Lochac has proposed the following
>> experiment, which I seek your approval for (subject to your answer to
>> a question below). I support this application as written below, as I
>> believe this serves two purposes.
>>
>> Firstly, I believe this expands the available options for combatants
>> in a manner which is consistent with period technique. Secondly, I
>> believe this could clarify the grey area that I believe exists at
>> present when parrying an opponents blade (using the off-hand) when
>> the opponent is using a simple cross-hilted sword and where contact
>> with the sword hand is reasonably likely.
>>
>> However, it has also been asked by my predecessor on our internal
>> list, whether the current rules would already permit such an action.
>> In particular, the clause saying "Fleeting contact between opponents
>> is allowed, as long as no grappling, deliberate striking or other
>> unsafe behaviour occurs."  I personally believe that the action of
>> pressing against an opponents arm sufficiently to move it would count
>> as more than fleeting contact, but I do not consider that it would
>> constitute grappling or deliberate striking (I use striking here in
>> the context of a blow whose impact is the intent rather than the
>> following push). What is your interpretation of the existing rule and
>> its applicability to this situation?
>>
>> Depending on your answer to the above, the successful conclusion to
>> this experiment may give rise to the need for a change to the society
>> level rules, or it may be that such an action is already permissable
>> and merely requires clarification.
>>
>> Thank you, William de Cameron KRM, Lochac.
>
>
> I'm not Thomas, but I think I can answer this question anyway...
>
> Story time, children!
>
> Back in the earliest days of SCA rapier, open-hand parries to the
> wrist werea common practice, and were specifically allowed in the
> first edition of the Corporate Rapier Rules. (See section III.A.9
> here: http://moondragon.info/wiki/Original_SCA_Rapier_Rules)
>
> Over the next couple of rewrites, that rule was dropped in the
> interest of keeping the rules as concise as possible and because
> "everybody knows that." About seven years ago, however, the Society
> Earl Marshal arbitrarily decided that the hand-on-wrist parries we'd
> been using safely for over 25 years at that point constitued
> "grappling" and therefore weren't allowed.
>
> Four years ago, when we got a more reasonable Society Earl Marshal,
> the rules were re-written to include "fleeting contact" with the
> specific intention of re-allowing hand-on wrist parries.
>
> So at most, you'd need an in-kingdom experiment and training period,
> to make sure people know the difference between parrying the wrist and
> grabbing the wrist  (this shouldn't be difficult, since, presumably,
> they already know the difference between parrying a blade and grabbing
> it) but you shouldn't need specific Corporate approval to do so.
>
>         -Tivar Moondragon
>                 Ansteorra
>         fossil-in-residence
>

SO, apparently, right now, based on the above decision we are not allowed to
parry the hand or arm of our opponent with our hand. I do not agree with
this decision as it seems to fly in the face of 20 years+ of safe usage but
I am bound by that decision. An open handed parry does not, to my mind,
represent anything like grappling. The decision doesn't affect us greatly as
I don't think it is a common practice here, but I know it's been discussed
in the past and was generally felt to be "ok". If anything does change I
will let these lists know right away. Hopefully the SEM can be convinced to
change his mind about this. I would ask that if you know anyone not on these
lists who fences, please let them know about the decision.

Yours in Service

Albrecht





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You can do it, you just can't do it unscripted.
--g

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Aaron Gormanshaw
<agormanshaw@...> wrote:
> Darn.
>
> There goes a whole bunch of close work with longsword...
>
> And I was so looking forward to the class with the description:
> Description: Codex Wallerstein is a
> comprehensive and essential source for understanding medieval German unarmed
combat. In this class we will explore just one section of this manual: the
counters to strikes with the hand. These counters include
> throws, arm-breaks and counter-strikes, among others.
>
> Trust me Albrecht, it's all "fleeting" contact, none of it intentional...
>
> :o)
>
> Hoskuld
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...>
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com; RapierMarshals@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 4:43:16 PM
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Hand Parries to the Wrist and Upper Arm
>
>
> Greetings!
>
> There has been some discussion recently on the KRM List regarding parries
> with the hand to hand, wrist or upper arm of an opponent. The rule in
> Ealdormere reads thusly:
>
> G.      Parries may be performed with weapons, parrying devices, the gloved
> hand, or any other part of the body. Though the gloved hand may be used to
> parry, it shall not be used to grasp or strike an opponent.  Fleeting
> contact between opponents is allowed, as long as no grabbling, deliberate
> striking, or other unsafe behaviour occurs.
>
> This is the same as what is written in the SCA Rapier Handbook. According to
> the person who wrote the rule, it was worded as such to allow the kind of
> parries described above and these have been used historically in various
> Kingdoms since the first set of rapier rules were written (c. 1984). IIRC
> previous KRM's have been ok with this but I don't think it's something
> that's been practiced a lot in our Kingdom.
>
> Apparently the discussion on the KRM list has attracted the attention of the
> Society Earl Marshal. Below is part of the discussion from the list, with
> the statement from the SEM at the top:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "siro@..." <siro@...>
> To: krms@...
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:17:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [krms] Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
>
> I'm not Thomas but I think I can answer this for him.
> NO.
> As a "less reasonable Society Earl Marshal" I agree that intentional
> contact is grappling as defined  by our sports.
> "Incidental contact" or "fleeting" contact is allowed to stop whiners
> from complaining every time they get bumped into.
> And just so you know, this question has come up from the fighting
> community as well.
> The answer there was
> NO.
> I hope that this is clear and easily understood.
> Anyone seen practicing intentional contact should be warned, then if
> behavior continues, sanctioned and given time off from our sport to
> relect upon the great privilege it is to participate at all.
>
> Omarad the Wary, KSCA, OP, etc...
> -"less reasonable" Society Earl Marshal
>
> On 5/23/2010 12:45 PM, Chris Zakes wrote:
>> At 11:31 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>>> Sir Thomas - I suspect that my earlier email to you disappeared into
>>> a spam filter somewhere, hence I'm forwarding this onto the KRMs list.
>>>
>>> If anyone else has an opinion on this as well, I'd be interested.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> William
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:53:18 +1200
>>> From: David Robb <ender@...>
>>> To: rapier@...
>>> Subject: Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
>>>
>>> Greetings Sir Thomas,
>>>
>>> One of my deputies here in Lochac has proposed the following
>>> experiment, which I seek your approval for (subject to your answer to
>>> a question below). I support this application as written below, as I
>>> believe this serves two purposes.
>>>
>>> Firstly, I believe this expands the available options for combatants
>>> in a manner which is consistent with period technique. Secondly, I
>>> believe this could clarify the grey area that I believe exists at
>>> present when parrying an opponents blade (using the off-hand) when
>>> the opponent is using a simple cross-hilted sword and where contact
>>> with the sword hand is reasonably likely.
>>>
>>> However, it has also been asked by my predecessor on our internal
>>> list, whether the current rules would already permit such an action.
>>> In particular, the clause saying "Fleeting contact between opponents
>>> is allowed, as long as no grappling, deliberate striking or other
>>> unsafe behaviour occurs."  I personally believe that the action of
>>> pressing against an opponents arm sufficiently to move it would count
>>> as more than fleeting contact, but I do not consider that it would
>>> constitute grappling or deliberate striking (I use striking here in
>>> the context of a blow whose impact is the intent rather than the
>>> following push). What is your interpretation of the existing rule and
>>> its applicability to this situation?
>>>
>>> Depending on your answer to the above, the successful conclusion to
>>> this experiment may give rise to the need for a change to the society
>>> level rules, or it may be that such an action is already permissable
>>> and merely requires clarification.
>>>
>>> Thank you, William de Cameron KRM, Lochac.
>>
>>
>> I'm not Thomas, but I think I can answer this question anyway...
>>
>> Story time, children!
>>
>> Back in the earliest days of SCA rapier, open-hand parries to the
>> wrist werea common practice, and were specifically allowed in the
>> first edition of the Corporate Rapier Rules. (See section III.A.9
>> here: http://moondragon.info/wiki/Original_SCA_Rapier_Rules)
>>
>> Over the next couple of rewrites, that rule was dropped in the
>> interest of keeping the rules as concise as possible and because
>> "everybody knows that." About seven years ago, however, the Society
>> Earl Marshal arbitrarily decided that the hand-on-wrist parries we'd
>> been using safely for over 25 years at that point constitued
>> "grappling" and therefore weren't allowed.
>>
>> Four years ago, when we got a more reasonable Society Earl Marshal,
>> the rules were re-written to include "fleeting contact" with the
>> specific intention of re-allowing hand-on wrist parries.
>>
>> So at most, you'd need an in-kingdom experiment and training period,
>> to make sure people know the difference between parrying the wrist and
>> grabbing the wrist  (this shouldn't be difficult, since, presumably,
>> they already know the difference between parrying a blade and grabbing
>> it) but you shouldn't need specific Corporate approval to do so.
>>
>>         -Tivar Moondragon
>>                 Ansteorra
>>         fossil-in-residence
>>
>
> SO, apparently, right now, based on the above decision we are not allowed to
> parry the hand or arm of our opponent with our hand. I do not agree with
> this decision as it seems to fly in the face of 20 years+ of safe usage but
> I am bound by that decision. An open handed parry does not, to my mind,
> represent anything like grappling. The decision doesn't affect us greatly as
> I don't think it is a common practice here, but I know it's been discussed
> in the past and was generally felt to be "ok". If anything does change I
> will let these lists know right away. Hopefully the SEM can be convinced to
> change his mind about this. I would ask that if you know anyone not on these
> lists who fences, please let them know about the decision.
>
> Yours in Service
>
> Albrecht
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Your helm seems to provide some additional coverage on the sides of the neck,
although it still leaves areas not backed by rigid on the side of the neck.

How is the coverage on the side of the neck when using a standard fencing mask,
for Tarrent (and the beginners who are using your loaner gear) ?

Hoskuld



   I've uploaded photos of Tarrent's Gorget (who has the same design as

mine), as well as my gorget.  I show front, side, and back, with out
jacket, with jacket, and with helm on...

~Wilhelm



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I have posted pictures of my & Eyrny's gorget.  Next event, I'll try to get a
picture of it on a person.  :o)

Hoskuld


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That doesn't mean the class couldn't be run under the A&S catagory that permits
the non sparring demonstrations of
period martial arts.
>
> Darn.
>
> There goes a whole bunch of close work with longsword...
>
> And I was so looking forward to the class with the description:
> Description: Codex Wallerstein is a
> comprehensive and essential source for understanding medieval German unarmed
combat. In this class we will explore
> just one section of this manual: the counters to strikes with the hand. These
counters include  throws, arm-breaks and
> counter-strikes, among others.
>
> Trust me Albrecht, it's all "fleeting" contact, none of it intentional...
>
> :o)
>
> Hoskuld
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...>
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com; RapierMarshals@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 4:43:16 PM
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Hand Parries to the Wrist and Upper Arm
>
>
> Greetings!
>
> There has been some discussion recently on the KRM List regarding parries
> with the hand to hand, wrist or upper arm of an opponent. The rule in
> Ealdormere reads thusly:
>
> G.     Parries may be performed with weapons, parrying devices, the gloved
> hand, or any other part of the body. Though the gloved hand may be used to
> parry, it shall not be used to grasp or strike an opponent.  Fleeting
> contact between opponents is allowed, as long as no grabbling, deliberate
> striking, or other unsafe behaviour occurs.
>
> This is the same as what is written in the SCA Rapier Handbook. According to
> the person who wrote the rule, it was worded as such to allow the kind of
> parries described above and these have been used historically in various
> Kingdoms since the first set of rapier rules were written (c. 1984). IIRC
> previous KRM's have been ok with this but I don't think it's something
> that's been practiced a lot in our Kingdom.
>
> Apparently the discussion on the KRM list has attracted the attention of the
> Society Earl Marshal. Below is part of the discussion from the list, with
> the statement from the SEM at the top:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "siro@..." <siro@...>
> To: krms@...
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:17:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [krms] Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
>
> I'm not Thomas but I think I can answer this for him.
> NO.
> As a "less reasonable Society Earl Marshal" I agree that intentional
> contact is grappling as defined  by our sports.
> "Incidental contact" or "fleeting" contact is allowed to stop whiners
> from complaining every time they get bumped into.
> And just so you know, this question has come up from the fighting
> community as well.
> The answer there was
> NO.
> I hope that this is clear and easily understood.
> Anyone seen practicing intentional contact should be warned, then if
> behavior continues, sanctioned and given time off from our sport to
> relect upon the great privilege it is to participate at all.
>
> Omarad the Wary, KSCA, OP, etc...
> -"less reasonable" Society Earl Marshal
>
> On 5/23/2010 12:45 PM, Chris Zakes wrote:
> > At 11:31 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
> >> Sir Thomas - I suspect that my earlier email to you disappeared into
> >> a spam filter somewhere, hence I'm forwarding this onto the KRMs list.
> >>
> >> If anyone else has an opinion on this as well, I'd be interested.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> William
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:53:18 +1200
> >> From: David Robb <ender@...>
> >> To: rapier@...
> >> Subject: Fwd: Application to conduct an experiment
> >>
> >> Greetings Sir Thomas,
> >>
> >> One of my deputies here in Lochac has proposed the following
> >> experiment, which I seek your approval for (subject to your answer to
> >> a question below). I support this application as written below, as I
> >> believe this serves two purposes.
> >>
> >> Firstly, I believe this expands the available options for combatants
> >> in a manner which is consistent with period technique. Secondly, I
> >> believe this could clarify the grey area that I believe exists at
> >> present when parrying an opponents blade (using the off-hand) when
> >> the opponent is using a simple cross-hilted sword and where contact
> >> with the sword hand is reasonably likely.
> >>
> >> However, it has also been asked by my predecessor on our internal
> >> list, whether the current rules would already permit such an action.
> >> In particular, the clause saying "Fleeting contact between opponents
> >> is allowed, as long as no grappling, deliberate striking or other
> >> unsafe behaviour occurs."  I personally believe that the action of
> >> pressing against an opponents arm sufficiently to move it would count
> >> as more than fleeting contact, but I do not consider that it would
> >> constitute grappling or deliberate striking (I use striking here in
> >> the context of a blow whose impact is the intent rather than the
> >> following push). What is your interpretation of the existing rule and
> >> its applicability to this situation?
> >>
> >> Depending on your answer to the above, the successful conclusion to
> >> this experiment may give rise to the need for a change to the society
> >> level rules, or it may be that such an action is already permissable
> >> and merely requires clarification.
> >>
> >> Thank you, William de Cameron KRM, Lochac.
> >
> >
> > I'm not Thomas, but I think I can answer this question anyway...
> >
> > Story time, children!
> >
> > Back in the earliest days of SCA rapier, open-hand parries to the
> > wrist werea common practice, and were specifically allowed in the
> > first edition of the Corporate Rapier Rules. (See section III.A.9
> > here: http://moondragon.info/wiki/Original_SCA_Rapier_Rules)
> >
> > Over the next couple of rewrites, that rule was dropped in the
> > interest of keeping the rules as concise as possible and because
> > "everybody knows that." About seven years ago, however, the Society
> > Earl Marshal arbitrarily decided that the hand-on-wrist parries we'd
> > been using safely for over 25 years at that point constitued
> > "grappling" and therefore weren't allowed.
> >
> > Four years ago, when we got a more reasonable Society Earl Marshal,
> > the rules were re-written to include "fleeting contact" with the
> > specific intention of re-allowing hand-on wrist parries.
> >
> > So at most, you'd need an in-kingdom experiment and training period,
> > to make sure people know the difference between parrying the wrist and
> > grabbing the wrist  (this shouldn't be difficult, since, presumably,
> > they already know the difference between parrying a blade and grabbing
> > it) but you shouldn't need specific Corporate approval to do so.
> >
> >         -Tivar Moondragon
> >                 Ansteorra
> >         fossil-in-residence
> >
>
> SO, apparently, right now, based on the above decision we are not allowed to
> parry the hand or arm of our opponent with our hand. I do not agree with
> this decision as it seems to fly in the face of 20 years+ of safe usage but
> I am bound by that decision. An open handed parry does not, to my mind,
> represent anything like grappling. The decision doesn't affect us greatly as
> I don't think it is a common practice here, but I know it's been discussed
> in the past and was generally felt to be "ok". If anything does change I
> will let these lists know right away. Hopefully the SEM can be convinced to
> change his mind about this. I would ask that if you know anyone not on these
> lists who fences, please let them know about the decision.
>
> Yours in Service
>
> Albrecht
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Aaron Miedema
Lentus autem non celer sum.

Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks

Jocelyn

--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, "Eve Harris & David Stamper" <evedave1@...>
wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, I can't make it this year.
>
>
>
> Albrecht
>
>
>
> p.s. Jocelyn, are you going?
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kathleen Gormanshaw
> Sent: May 25, 2010 4:42 PM
> To: E Rapier
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Pennsic
>
>
>
>
>
> Who all is going to Pennsic this year?
>
> And while curious, Hoskuld and I are not going.
>
> Eyrny
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

and causing mischief the whole time....

--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:


From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@...>
Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:51 AM


 



Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks

Jocelyn

--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, "Eve Harris & David Stamper" <evedave1@...>
wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, I can't make it this year.
>
>
>
> Albrecht
>
>
>
> p.s. Jocelyn, are you going?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kathleen Gormanshaw
> Sent: May 25, 2010 4:42 PM
> To: E Rapier
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Pennsic
>
>
>
>
>
> Who all is going to Pennsic this year?
>
> And while curious, Hoskuld and I are not going.
>
> Eyrny
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>











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I wouldn't have it any other way :-)



Albrecht





   _____

From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Whitford
Sent: May 27, 2010 8:21 AM
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic





and causing mischief the whole time....

--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...
<mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:

From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@... <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> >
Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:51 AM



Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks

Jocelyn

--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eve
Harris & David Stamper" <evedave1@...> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, I can't make it this year.
>
>
>
> Albrecht
>
>
>
> p.s. Jocelyn, are you going?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of Kathleen Gormanshaw
> Sent: May 25, 2010 4:42 PM
> To: E Rapier
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Pennsic
>
>
>
>
>
> Who all is going to Pennsic this year?
>
> And while curious, Hoskuld and I are not going.
>
> Eyrny
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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For anyone who is considering upgrading their gorget, The Mercenary's
Tailor is having a 20% off sale on neck and shoulder armour:

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=27&osCsid=qimcrb5m8ut484sqphsi\
2hhbv1

Oh that's sexy.

drooool....




________________________________
From: John Enzinas <jenzinas@...>
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 9:03:44 AM
Subject: [E_Rapier] Gorgets

 
For anyone who is considering upgrading their gorget, The Mercenary's
Tailor is having a 20% off sale on neck and shoulder armour:

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=27&osCsid=qimcrb5m8ut484sqphsi\
2hhbv1



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really? Jocelyn, whats your experience in causing inter-kingdom ...incedences?
Robert...(hey the phones stopped ringing what else did you expect)


--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...> wrote:


From: Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...>
Subject: RE: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 7:45 AM


 



I wouldn't have it any other way :-)

Albrecht

_____

From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Whitford
Sent: May 27, 2010 8:21 AM
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic

and causing mischief the whole time....

--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...
<mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:

From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@... <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> >
Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:51 AM

Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks

Jocelyn

--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eve
Harris & David Stamper" <evedave1@...> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, I can't make it this year.
>
>
>
> Albrecht
>
>
>
> p.s. Jocelyn, are you going?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of Kathleen Gormanshaw
> Sent: May 25, 2010 4:42 PM
> To: E Rapier
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Pennsic
>
>
>
>
>
> Who all is going to Pennsic this year?
>
> And while curious, Hoskuld and I are not going.
>
> Eyrny
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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In red boots with swagger....

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:20 AM, David Whitford <dbw6969@...> wrote:
> and causing mischief the whole time....
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks
>
> Jocelyn
>

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:03 AM, John Enzinas <jenzinas@...> wrote:
> For anyone who is considering upgrading their gorget, The Mercenary's
> Tailor is having a 20% off sale on neck and shoulder armour:
>
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=27&osCsid=qimcrb5m8ut484sqphsi\
2hhbv1

Sexy, sure, but if the price makes you gasp, the one that Hoskuld
posted pictures of was made for about $15 worth of aluminum and
effort.

Eyrny

Ah!..at the top of my head..I can think of only one last Pennsic...

   That would have been the 100m trash dash I ran, trying to escape a loud bugle
and drum band, that woke house Iron Lance early one moring during War week.

That same dash ended in the use of my very elementary level bardic talents, to
tell stories to her Highness of Aethalmarc, over breakfast, as payment for her
granting sanctuary to me from said band.

Said dash also awarded my the Eoforwic Olympic committees' award for the
quickest 100m trash dash and the crushed coke zero can medal...I believe the
resulting quote was,"damn fencers are FAST of feet!"

...the full story is on my facebook page under "Notes".  ya know..incase you
need something to read since the phones have stopped ringing..

LOL,
Jocelyn



--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, David Whitford <dbw6969@...> wrote:
>
> really? Jocelyn, whats your experience in causing inter-kingdom ...incedences?
> Robert...(hey the phones stopped ringing what else did you expect)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...>
> Subject: RE: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 7:45 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I wouldn't have it any other way :-)
>
> Albrecht
>
> _____
>
> From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Whitford
> Sent: May 27, 2010 8:21 AM
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
>
> and causing mischief the whole time....
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...
> <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:
>
> From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@... <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> >
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:51 AM
>
> Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks
>
> Jocelyn
>
> --- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eve
> Harris & David Stamper" <evedave1@> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, I can't make it this year.
> >
> >
> >
> > Albrecht
> >
> >
> >
> > p.s. Jocelyn, are you going?
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Kathleen Gormanshaw
> > Sent: May 25, 2010 4:42 PM
> > To: E Rapier
> > Subject: [E_Rapier] Pennsic
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Who all is going to Pennsic this year?
> >
> > And while curious, Hoskuld and I are not going.
> >
> > Eyrny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Who's boots are you looking at?  Mine are black!
Jocelyn

--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, Kathleen Gormanshaw <kgormanshaw@...> wrote:
>
> In red boots with swagger....
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:20 AM, David Whitford <dbw6969@...> wrote:
> > and causing mischief the whole time....
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks
> >
> > Jocelyn
> >
>

You can cause an incident by "borrowing" Robert's

Eyrny

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:
> Who's boots are you looking at?  Mine are black!
> Jocelyn
>
> --- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, Kathleen Gormanshaw <kgormanshaw@...> wrote:
>>
>> In red boots with swagger....
>>
>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:20 AM, David Whitford <dbw6969@...> wrote:
>> > and causing mischief the whole time....
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks
>> >
>> > Jocelyn
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I was thinking of a squire being ummm worried after you spoke with his knight
last year 9also involved alot of running up and down the hill)
R

--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:


From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@...>
Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 11:47 AM


 



Ah!..at the top of my head..I can think of only one last Pennsic...

That would have been the 100m trash dash I ran, trying to escape a loud bugle
and drum band, that woke house Iron Lance early one moring during War week.

That same dash ended in the use of my very elementary level bardic talents, to
tell stories to her Highness of Aethalmarc, over breakfast, as payment for her
granting sanctuary to me from said band.

Said dash also awarded my the Eoforwic Olympic committees' award for the
quickest 100m trash dash and the crushed coke zero can medal...I believe the
resulting quote was,"damn fencers are FAST of feet!"

...the full story is on my facebook page under "Notes". ya know..incase you need
something to read since the phones have stopped ringing..

LOL,
Jocelyn

--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, David Whitford <dbw6969@...> wrote:
>
> really? Jocelyn, whats your experience in causing inter-kingdom ...incedences?
> Robert...(hey the phones stopped ringing what else did you expect)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@...>
> Subject: RE: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 7:45 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I wouldn't have it any other way :-)
>
> Albrecht
>
> _____
>
> From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Whitford
> Sent: May 27, 2010 8:21 AM
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
>
> and causing mischief the whole time....
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> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...
> <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:
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> From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@... <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> >
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:51 AM
>
> Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks
>
> Jocelyn
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> --- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eve
> Harris & David Stamper" <evedave1@> wrote:
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> > From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Kathleen Gormanshaw
> > Sent: May 25, 2010 4:42 PM
> > To: E Rapier
> > Subject: [E_Rapier] Pennsic
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> > Who all is going to Pennsic this year?
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> > And while curious, Hoskuld and I are not going.
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> > Eyrny
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Ah yes!  I have not forgotten that plot!  I was actually catgorizing that as a
inter-kingdom relations!  Building bridges as it were...THat to is a fantastic
memeory..hey, he's not actually a squire yet, but the hope is that he will
become a squire at and event in June...If there is a message you would like
passed on to him at his squireing drop an message to me over Facebook and I'll
have it read at the ceremony!

as to incedents...waking and entire out-of -kingdome fighter house hold is an
incedent..

Jocleyn


--- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, David Whitford <dbw6969@...> wrote:
>
> I was thinking of a squire being ummm worried after you spoke with his knight
last year 9also involved alot of running up and down the hill)
> R
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:
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> From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@...>
> Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 11:47 AM
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> Ah!..at the top of my head..I can think of only one last Pennsic...
>
> That would have been the 100m trash dash I ran, trying to escape a loud bugle
and drum band, that woke house Iron Lance early one moring during War week.
>
> That same dash ended in the use of my very elementary level bardic talents, to
tell stories to her Highness of Aethalmarc, over breakfast, as payment for her
granting sanctuary to me from said band.
>
> Said dash also awarded my the Eoforwic Olympic committees' award for the
quickest 100m trash dash and the crushed coke zero can medal...I believe the
resulting quote was,"damn fencers are FAST of feet!"
>
> ...the full story is on my facebook page under "Notes". ya know..incase you
need something to read since the phones have stopped ringing..
>
> LOL,
> Jocelyn
>
> --- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com, David Whitford <dbw6969@> wrote:
> >
> > really? Jocelyn, whats your experience in causing inter-kingdom
...incedences?
> > Robert...(hey the phones stopped ringing what else did you expect)
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Eve Harris & David Stamper <evedave1@>
> > Subject: RE: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> > To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 7:45 AM
> >
> >
> >  
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> >
> > I wouldn't have it any other way :-)
> >
> > Albrecht
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of David Whitford
> > Sent: May 27, 2010 8:21 AM
> > To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> >
> > and causing mischief the whole time....
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Yvonne <tamlin_01@
> > <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Yvonne <tamlin_01@ <mailto:tamlin_01%40yahoo.ca> >
> > Subject: [E_Rapier] Re: Pennsic
> > To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:51 AM
> >
> > Yes Albrecht I will be attending Pennsic, both weeks
> >
> > Jocelyn
> >
> > --- In E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:E_Rapier%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eve
> > Harris & David Stamper" <evedave1@> wrote:
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> > Behalf
> > > Of Kathleen Gormanshaw
> > > Sent: May 25, 2010 4:42 PM
> > > To: E Rapier
> > > Subject: [E_Rapier] Pennsic
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> > > Who all is going to Pennsic this year?
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> > > And while curious, Hoskuld and I are not going.
> > >
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Cristabell and I will have to miss it again this year...

~Wilhelm


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Baron Don Giovanni was put on vigil for the order of the Laurel this weekend!

This good gentle was the man who came form Trimarias(Florida) to Ealdomere last
Fall to assist the EAOD in advancing our own Baron of Skraling Althing Giovani
and THL Gareth Cambell the the rank of Provost.

His elevation is sent for the following eventin Trimarias.

http://sites.google.com/site/wyvernwoode/home/upcoming-events/squire-s-revolt-20\
10

I wish him well!

Lady Jocelyn Cranewall
Preceaptor EAOD

YAY!
a very deserving gentleman.
--g

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Yvonne <tamlin_01@...> wrote:
> Baron Don Giovanni was put on vigil for the order of the Laurel this weekend!
>
> This good gentle was the man who came form Trimarias(Florida) to Ealdomere
last Fall to assist the EAOD in advancing our own Baron of Skraling Althing
Giovani and THL Gareth Cambell the the rank of Provost.
>
> His elevation is sent for the following eventin Trimarias.
>
>
http://sites.google.com/site/wyvernwoode/home/upcoming-events/squire-s-revolt-20\
10
>
> I wish him well!
>
> Lady Jocelyn Cranewall
> Preceaptor EAOD
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

Yeah, he is such a nice man, I am so happy for him.

aibhilin
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Yvonne
   To: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:50 AM
   Subject: [E_Rapier] Baron Don Giovanni di Fiamma of Trimarias was put on vigil



   Baron Don Giovanni was put on vigil for the order of the Laurel this weekend!

   This good gentle was the man who came form Trimarias(Florida) to Ealdomere
last Fall to assist the EAOD in advancing our own Baron of Skraling Althing
Giovani and THL Gareth Cambell the the rank of Provost.

   His elevation is sent for the following eventin Trimarias.

  
http://sites.google.com/site/wyvernwoode/home/upcoming-events/squire-s-revolt-20\
10

   I wish him well!

   Lady Jocelyn Cranewall
   Preceaptor EAOD





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At the risk of repeating myself... a reminder of our Canton's event this
weekend.. and Fencing!

*Pikeman's Pleasure XX
*Located at the North Monaghan Community Centre, 4 Needlers Lane,
Millbrook, Ontario L0A 1G0
Saturday June 5, 2010
Gates open at 10:00am until 11:00pm

The event will happen rain or shine. We have full use of the indoor
hockey rink surface that provides more than enough room for our use...
which, thinking back, was the field that I actually authorized upon a
few years ago.  The prizes are done too... all made by me and, in my own
humble opinion, turned out very well.

My thanks for your kind consideration of our event.

Griffin

> I send greetings to all fencers of Ealdormere and their kin,
>
> The day of Pikeman's Pleasure XX is fast approaching. Much full is
> planned for the day with the fencing lists. I hope to see many of you
> there for the day. :)
>
> http://www.wraithstudios.ca/pikemans2010.html
>
> The following is the planned itinerary for the day:
> Fencing Battles & Tournaments
> Marshal in Charge - Lord William of Otterton
> griffin 'at' wraithstudios.ca
>
> Wonderous prizes will abound for the day! Much fun will be had!
>
> 10:00am-10:45am – Inspections and Authorizations (Marshals Permitting)
> 10:45am-11:45am – Bridge Battles / Singles & Doubles
> 12:00pm-1:30pm – Reverse Bear Pit
> 1:45pm-4:00pm – Steal the Golden Cup (or Bar Room Brawl...)
>
> For the Reverse Bear Pit, two combatants with fight with the loser
> staying in but the winner should give some advice as to how the
> defeated combatant could improve their style with a useful tip! There
> is a limit of a maximum of three losses in a row at which time both
> combatants will retire from the Pit.
>
> Golden Cup Tournament
>
> A spectactular cup of gold has been left unattended! Can you snatch it
> away and safely exit the field without any one else stopping you? Or
> will you fight your way to victory and escape with the cup as your prize?
>
> A simple gold cup (ie: wood painted gold, we're not that rich!) will
> sit at one end of the field on top of a chest. Every combatant will
> start together at the far end of the field. The marshal will call a
> start and any fencer can walk (no running) about the field. The
> marshal will call an Allez! after 5 to 10 seconds, and then any fencer
> can take the cup or engage any opponent on the field (standard open
> field melee rules of engagement apply). The fencer that exits the
> field with the cup in their possesion will score points towards
> glorious prizes! No running permitted, walking only.
>
> Scoring for all battles and tournaments
>
> All scoring is individual, no teams.
>
> Each battle fought will earn one point for the combatant (Bridge, Bear
> Pit & Golden Cup)
> Each victory for the Bridge Battle and Bear Pit will win the
> victorious combatant(s) two points additional.
> Each time exiting the field in possession of the Golden cup will score
> five points additional.
>
> Prizes will be awarded at Court for the top three point totals for the
> day. All prizes will be on display prior to the start of the
> tournaments (and probably on the A&S Display Table... yes, they're
> pretty neat and all non-fencing related since you probably have lots
> of fencing stuff already!)
>



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