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Re: Chelation therapy - where is the evidence?

Noah,
No one in the world wants better research on therapy into autism
treatments more than the parents. I'm not quite sure who
is "behooved" to get this work done, but frankly we are working so
hard to retain the respectability of ANY research in this area that
reaching downstream to treatment studies is one of the hardest things
of all to get done. Practically speaking, we have to establish
credibility for the theory before we can reach for clinical trials.
so your suggestion, although I believe it's correct, puts the cart
before the horse in a funding sense.

But in terms of the research realities, the establishment autism
parent organizations (those with the money) have scientific review
boards with non-parent scientists who don't want to touch the mercury
issue with a ten foot pole, let alone propose studies to treat kids
with chelators that (whisper, whisper) might cause horrible adverse
effects like renal failure. The organizations that are willing to
declare their support for even investigating the mercury hypothesis
don't have the resources to pursue the agenda we all agree makes
sense. And when the IOM comes out and says, "don't do more research
into any vaccine theory", it doesn't help the scientific process very
much.

But if you'd like to make a contribution towards a chelation trial,
we would certainly welcome it!
Mark

--- In EOHarm@yahoogroups.com, "Noah_Raizman" <nmr2002@c...> wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> I am familiar with the Bradstreet article. I am very glad that Safe
> Minds is trying to support this research. What I think is necessary
> are comparison studies of two protocols and a retrospective study
> comparing chelated children with non-chelated children. Though a
> typical RCT would be difficult because of the inability to
> effectively blind and the absence of a placebo group, randomization
> is easy and the treatment protocols would be easy to administer by
> those practitioners already doing the therapy. What would be
> difficult would be controlling for other interventions children use
> and coordinating this in a multi-center fashion. This requires part
> time work on the part of a single coordinator. I have initiated and
> worked on several similar studies in this research year alone,
> working part time. I know capable undergraduates who could put it
all
> together in summer research project.
>
> The retrospective is a little harder, but somehow there needs to be
> some sort of data that's not anecdotal suggesting that chelation is
> better than no chelation. If, of course, it is...
>
> BTW - this is hard work that requires dedicated and knowledgable
> people, but I think that it behooves the community of autistic
> parents to see that this research is done. Would be happy to talk
> research structure offlist.
> :)
> N.
>
>
> --- In EOHarm@yahoogroups.com, "blaxillmark" <blaxill.mark@b...>
> wrote:
> > Noah,
> > Please define "not much." These studies, if done properly and in
> the
> > time frame required to do them safely (many parents use a 3 days
on
> > 11 days off schedule and chelate for months if not years) take a
> > great deal of time and so would not be inexpensive in terms of
time
> > and effort. So given that the entire potential need for chelation
> was
> > defined in 2000, we have not really had much time to do a proper
> > controlled study. But the absenec of such work is a major
problem,
> > espeically when there is a great discussion about different
> > approaches to chelation. We desperately need more and better
> science,
> > but recruitng scientists, funding good projects, completing the
> work
> > and publishing the results is a large job and you should not
> > underestimate it. We are trying to sponsor a wide range of
science
> at
> > Safe Minds and we are maasively underpowered to get the work done.
> >
> > Also, FWIW, there is at least one chelation study by Bradstreet
> that
> > measure mercury excretion in autistics and controls over a short
> time
> > frame. It showed a clear elevation in Hg excretion in the autistc
> > group. But this did not attempt to measure the success of the
> > treatment.
> > Mark Blaxill
> >






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Dear Mark, I am familiar with the Bradstreet article. I am very glad that Safe Minds is trying to support this research. What I think is necessary are...
Noah_Raizman
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Apr 29, 2005
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Noah, No one in the world wants better research on therapy into autism treatments more than the parents. I'm not quite sure who is "behooved" to get this work...
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Apr 29, 2005
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... Mark, As you may well know, there are plenty of FDA approved drugs on the market that have "passed" clinical trials that have no established theory of...
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Apr 29, 2005
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fair point, Lenny, but I was hedging my comment by describing practical reality, not necessarily advocating a sequence. Believe me, I strongly support doing...
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Noah wrote: but your pediatrcians are ... Noah, I'm afraid to say that even if a DBPControlled study is conducted to show that chelation is effective at...
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Apr 29, 2005
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I agree. Our ped practice has turned away 4 of our friends on the phone telling them, "You need to find another pediatrician." Their crime? They asked for...
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Hello Amber M.: Once we get rolling A.R.M. intends to make insurance coverage for biomedical interventions in "autism" an issue. Let's see which legislators...
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Apr 30, 2005
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Oh my gosh, Noah, you should have been on the Autism-Mercury list for the past five years if you want the answer to this question!!!! SOOOOOO many kids are...
jromkema
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Apr 29, 2005
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The problem with chelation for lead, is that while the lead level in the blood is reduced, this does NOT result in cognitive gains for the treated children....
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Apr 29, 2005
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If lead is like mercury the blood levels are not necessarily the best indicator. ... === message truncated ===...
Craig Garfinkel
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Apr 29, 2005
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But my point was that chelation does not improve cognition, which is the area primarily affected by lead poisoning. So, if the lead is still in the brain, not...
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Hi, I'm no expert, but my take on it is that mercury binds quickly and tightly to the tissues. Mercury doesn't show up in blood testing unless it's a recent...
Avril
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Was that my post? If so, I was giving the example of, aside from mercury, I still want the lead out of my kid. Lead removal may not improve cognition, but...
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Walsh did a study on toxic lead and violence...... ... From: "merrywbee" <merrywbee@...> To: <EOHarm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 2:29...
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Apr 29, 2005
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Take another look: only blood levels are studied, and the chelation consisted of only three 26-day courses (in the 2nd citation). The age of the children in...
nulani02
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Apr 30, 2005
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Noah, I think that each child who is recovering, mine included, with chelation therapy is all the evidence we need. Although if you want a doctor telling you...
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As long as you supplement, supplement, supplement along the way, its safer to take the stuff out then to leave it in!! Barb ... From: angela watters To:...
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lynn not being nosy but what day was your son born in april 2000 codys little brother my second son seth was born april 23 rd 2000 that's why I ask ... From:...
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the nearest Dans doc to me is is a 5 hr drive and he dose the MB12 shots of which I have seriously been concidering trying but I havnt been able to talk his...
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Hi Angie, May I recommend this book to you? Children with Starving Brains, by Dr. Jaqueline McCandless: http://www.autism-rxguidebook.net/DesktopDefault.aspx ...
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you go girl ... From: vineescape@... To: EOHarm@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [EOHarm] Chelation therapy - where is the...
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we live in Maryland actually about an hr and 1/2 from DC my younger son didn't get vaccines till he was 4 1/2 so we are lucky he is not affected by autism ...
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What about retrospective studies comparing incidence of, asthma , allergies, diabetes ,exzema etc in vaccinated vs unvaccinated children.? Could you point me...
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I haven't heard of a single asd child experiencing renal failure b/c of chelation. Do you have (peer reviewed/control studies) evidence to support this...
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Go to Dr. Amy Holmes and Dr. Stephanie Cave. They were some of the first docs out there and they have records on hundreds and hundreds of kids! Barb ... From:...
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Noah, As for what guided my decision, my son was getting worse 2 1/2 years ago, & every doctor told me "not to worry". When I ran across a description of some...
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