We're working it - stay tuned... Melinda Wharton of the CDC
said at the IOM VSD Committee Meeting (while wearing her
bright, shiny PHS uniform) last summer that the
VSD "changed" between subsequent rounds of the Verstraeten
analysis... Hmmm - last I checked, databases don't change
all on your own....

Much love to any CDC or IOM mole monitoring these
correspondences....

B

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:56:16 -0000
>From: "timothybooton" <timothybooton@...>
>Subject: [EOHarm] Re: Message Accuracy
>To: EOHarm@yahoogroups.com
>
> Thanks for replying Becky. Totally understand the
> sleep deprivation
> thing. I am in total agreement with you regarding
> the Geiers.
> Awesome men who have risked much. All I am saying
> is we need to be
> accurate. All parents who believe their is a link
> owe it their kids
> to look at all the available primary imformation and
> make
> an "informed" decision. That is why I am chelating
> my son. I think
> that the only thing that will help settle this is
> for the government
> to open up the VSD and VAERS one more time to
> outside researchers.
> I think the Geiers are way too polarizing to be the
> researchers that
> they pick. Obviously it will be difficult for a
> research team to be
> without any conflict of interest whatsoever, but
> their needs to be
> some concessions made on both sides so the truth can
> be learned. I
> am confident that there will be a link found. I
> have heard that the
> datasets that the Verstraeten study used have been
> comprimised,
> lost, destroyed. Anyone with any info on that?
>
> --- In EOHarm@yahoogroups.com, "Becky Nelson"
> <nelsons@v...> wrote:
> > Hi! Not wanting to start any wars here so please
> don't take me as
> > being critical - but the Geiers stating "thousands
> of articles on
> > the dangers of thimerosal" is much different than
> stating "thousands
> > of articles citing thimerosal causes brain
> damage". There is a
> > plethora of medical literature on acrodynia,
> thimerosal, msds
> sheets
> > on thimerosals effects, ethylmercury's toxicity,
> etc. PubMed is a
> > great place to look but it doesn't necessarily
> contain every piece
> > of published medical literature. Thimerosal is
> also mentioned in
> > many medical textbooks that you would not find on
> PubMed. There is
> > medical literature dating back to the 1930's that
> state the
> toxicity
> > of thimerosal. The Geier's are awesome
> researchers, IMO.
> >
> > I don't recall reading comments regarding
> Verstraeten, but if it
> is
> > only partly true then at least it is better than
> what the other
> side
> > is doing, practically nothing they say is true. If
> someone who
> does
> > not support a link decided to analyze the comments
> made about
> > Verstraeten's statement they would have to obtain
> the Simpsonwood
> > report. After reading that I think they would be
> shocked and
> think
> > twice about the whole thing.
> >
> > But I do see what you're saying - I mean last
> night I was posting
> > about an article by the American Council on
> Science and Health and
> I
> > completely went off on a tangent. (In my defense
> I was in a
> zombie
> > like sleep deprived state - so please forgive me
> everyone.)
> >
> > I guess what I am trying to say is that I know we
> are all
> genuinely
> > concerned about the truth being revealed. Though
> none of us here
> are
> > as good at reporting it as my hero, David
> Kirby!!!!
> >
> > ~Becky
> >
> > --- In EOHarm@yahoogroups.com, "timothybooton"
> <timothybooton@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I am the father of an autistic son. I have
> spent way too much
> > time
> > > studying this issue. I am definitely on board
> that vaccines and
> > > thimerosal are probably the main culprit in this
> epidemic. What
> > is
> > > bothering me is that some of the people on our
> side of this
> > argument
> > > use, what I believe, to be inaccurate
> information in their
> > arguments.
> > >
> > > Example: The Geier's frequently state that
> there are over 5,000
> > > articles on the dangers of thimerasol in the
> medical
> literature.
> > > This is partly true. If you do a search in
> www.pubmed.com you
> can
> > > find around that many articles on thimerosal.
> Some of these
> > > articles indeed show the toxicity of thimerosal,
> but most have
> > very
> > > little or nothing to do with the effects of
> thimerasol on the
> > > brain. To patently say that their are 5,000
> articles showing
> how
> > > bad this stuff is just not true.
> > >
> > > Example: I have heard a few very well respected
> people on the
> anti-
> > > thimerosal side say that Dr. Verstraeten came
> right out and said
> > at
> > > Simpsonwood that he thinks, yes it's the
> thimerosal causing the
> > > damage. This is also partly true. He actually
> said that he
> > thought
> > > it was one of three things causing his data to
> show a
> > relationship.
> > > One of his choices was that yes, It is the
> thimerosal. No
> mention
> > > is made of his other 2 theories on why the data
> might be showing
> a
> > > causal relationship.
> > >
> > > I guess my point is that we need to be careful
> to not overstate
> > our
> > > case here. We need to always be as accurate as
> we can.
> Especially
> > > those people who are on the frontline who have
> an opportunity to
> > > speak with the media about a possible
> relationship. Just think,
> I
> > > am a person who has bought into the argument and
> am now
> chelating
> > my
> > > child and I have found these inaccuracies. Just
> think what the
> > > people who do not support a link will do when
> they analyze what
> > our
> > > side is claiming. It is awfully easy for them
> and the
> mainstream
> > > media to poo-poo our valid arguments and throw
> the baby out with
> > the
> > > bathwater because we are stating some half
> truths.
>
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