Hello;Pat

Lookes good pat,keep up the good info Pictures ETC. (THUMBS UP)

	 Reginald W.Clarke (XPRESSO #4)

Wasn't sure whether I'd sent the address of my construction "progress" site.

Find it at:

http://albums.westcanequities.com

Patrick

No problem, and I have done even one better.  I went ahead and combined all 54
monthly archives into one HUGE text file (28 MB), zipped it down to 6402 KB and
placed in on my web site at http://members.nbci.com/texasquadj/dragonfl.htm

This will make it much easier to search through.

Jeff
http://members.nbci.com/texasquadj/
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: owenstrawn@...
   To: Dragonflylist@egroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:14 PM
   Subject: Re: [Dragonflylist] Old Dragonlist Archives


   Jeff, I have tried repeatedly to do this but I always get error messages
   from Majordomo.  Thanks for the ZIPs.
   Owen


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jeff, I have tried repeatedly to do this but I always get error messages
from Majordomo.  Thanks for the ZIPs.
Owen

> Happy Thanksgiving!!
>
> The old Dragonlist archives have always been available at interstice, but
> it is not one of those obvious things.  You had to use the majordomo index
> command and then the get command to retrieve them.  I downloaded all 34.6
> MB of archives and have converted them over to TXT files to view online
> and ZIP files to download.  I was surprised to find several of the old
> archive files were infected with the happy virus, they are clean now.
> There are a total of 54 individual files, basically one for each month the
> Dragonlist was in existence.
>
> If you want, you can download a large ZIP file that contains all 54
> individual monthly archives.  They are all located on my web site at
> http://members.nbci.com/texasquadj/dragonfl.htm.  If I really get
> ambitious, I might merge all of the monthly TXT archive files into one
> huge TXT file to make searching easier.  I would have put the files on our
> new Dragonflylist at eGroups.com, but we have a 20 MB limit there and I
> would prefer to use that space for other things.  The one large ZIP file
> is about 7.5 MB.  It took about 3 hours to upload all of the files to my
> web site, of course it was 48.9 MB of information.  If you would like the
> old archives, but do not want to download them all....contact me directly
> and I will burn them on a CD for you.
>
> Jeff

John
I did not actually visualize my becoming a lawn dart, but my point is that
sometimes making changes can create problems one has not anticipated. I had
thought about having to play with weights.!

Yes we would have to determine if it even has a Carbon spar!

Regards

Woody

Happy Thanksgiving!!

The old Dragonlist archives have always been available at interstice, but it is
not one of those obvious things.  You had to use the majordomo index command and
then the get command to retrieve them.  I downloaded all 34.6 MB of archives and
have converted them over to TXT files to view online and ZIP files to download. 
I was surprised to find several of the old archive files were infected with the
happy virus, they are clean now.  There are a total of 54 individual files,
basically one for each month the Dragonlist was in existence.

If you want, you can download a large ZIP file that contains all 54 individual
monthly archives.  They are all located on my web site at
http://members.nbci.com/texasquadj/dragonfl.htm.  If I really get ambitious, I
might merge all of the monthly TXT archive files into one huge TXT file to make
searching easier.  I would have put the files on our new Dragonflylist at
eGroups.com, but we have a 20 MB limit there and I would prefer to use that
space for other things.  The one large ZIP file is about 7.5 MB.  It took about
3 hours to upload all of the files to my web site, of course it was 48.9 MB of
information.  If you would like the old archives, but do not want to download
them all....contact me directly and I will burn them on a CD for you.

Jeff



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

One last thing.  Be sure the carbon spar is not damaged, and be very careful
not to damage it in any way during the repairs.  If the carbon spar is
damaged, I am not sure it can be repaired.

Fred


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jon and Laurel Crawford wrote:
>
> Woody,
>
> Moving the seat back doesn't necessarily mean that you've created a death
> trap (there are several people who've successfully done it,)  it just means
> that you'll have to account for the new position when doing your W&B.... if
> you're gonna use the (slightly) heavier Corvair, the weights may be very
> close to offsetting.

So then you end up like a KR,  where you need to place sand bags on the
tail to keep the nose off the ground when parked.  :)

Pat


> I have an idea... if you'd like to hear (read) more about CG issues, why
> don't you ask Drew or Pat?  :>)

Bite me.  >:)

Woody,

Moving the seat back doesn't necessarily mean that you've created a death
trap (there are several people who've successfully done it,)  it just means
that you'll have to account for the new position when doing your W&B.... if
you're gonna use the (slightly) heavier Corvair, the weights may be very
close to offsetting.

I have an idea... if you'd like to hear (read) more about CG issues, why
don't you ask Drew or Pat?  :>)

Regards,
Jon
http://home.att.net/~jon.laurel



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woody Sulloway [mailto:sulloway@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:42 AM
> To: Dragonflylist@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Dragonflylist] Canard Repair, Inspection. Seats, Gear
>
>
> One Sky Dog,
>
> Thanks for the caution regarding the change of CG characteristics
> if I moved
> the seat back aft. That CG issue never occurred to me. I like to use the
> term "unintended consequences". That would have been a Dilly!
>
> That is the beauty for forums such as these. They keep some ham
> fisted boat
> mechanic from creating a death trap.
>
> Have a good Turkey day all
>
> Woody
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Dragonflylist-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>

One Sky Dog,

Thanks for the caution regarding the change of CG characteristics if I moved
the seat back aft. That CG issue never occurred to me. I like to use the
term "unintended consequences". That would have been a Dilly!

That is the beauty for forums such as these. They keep some ham fisted boat
mechanic from creating a death trap.

Have a good Turkey day all

Woody

In a message dated 11/22/00 5:04:32 AM Mountain Standard Time,
sulloway@... writes:

<< Sitting in the seats I noticed that my thighs were not supported by the
  cushions , as if the distance from the seat back to the rudder pedals was a
  little short for me. (I'm only 5' 10" but long from the waist down.) This
  left my legs hitting the dashboard at the sides. Not too comfortable! What's
  the cure? (Get a longer Aircraft? ) (Move the seat back, . or raise the
  angle of the seat cushion in the front to support the legs? ) >>

Woody,
Do not move the seat back!!!!!

  You will end up with a passenger limit of 95 lbs. before going out the aft
cg.

Look at moving rudder pedals or leaning them toward front to get leg room.

I had to move mine to the front floor ahead of the fwd canard bulkhead then
lean them back over the bulkhead to get the brake geometry right.

6' 2"

One Sky Dog

In a message dated 11/22/00 10:55:07 AM Mountain Standard Time,
sulloway@... writes:

Woody,
Jumping in here the glass legs are molded unidirectional glass/epoxy, they do
not have any torsional strength with out aggressively sanding and cleaning
the molded surface and wrapping with 10 oz cloth bidirectional (+/-45 deg to
the leg fibers) I believe it is 2 layers but follow mod sheets for Mark II.

<< As far as the MK II gear are concerned, they are supposed to be plans
built,
  but no extra glass layers have been added, as suggested somewhere. >>

You can grind off the flox to the core uni to wrap the leg then flox it back
up and align per plan.
<< present owner did remark how good a fit, (tight) the ends were in the
Canard
  Box>>

Same airfoil? They do not require a load test.

  <<The Canard is not the  canard the AC was certified with, that was why my
  concern about the Certificate. I agree, I don't think the FAA would care
  about a gear change, but suspect they might have more interest in a whole
  new canard.>>

Leading edge is not highly loaded and is a lap joint cut out damaged glass,
scarf the joint to a long taper cut out damaged core and replace with same
density foam, shape slightly low and glass over it fill with micro and
finish. This will be the lightest fix and the best, but you can squirt it
full of stuff to stabalize the core and grind out the mush fiber/epoxy stuff
and fill it to contour and do a 2" lap joint.

  <<The ding in the canard looks like impact with a round object. In another
  life I'm a Marine Surveyor and had been active in the service and repair
  part of boating for 30 years. I'm pretty comfortable with Fiberglas and
  epoxy. >>


My $2.00

One Sky Dog

Pat,

I actually got to the point at one time I could tell you the optimum Ratio,
weight to resin, weigh them both and make it come out. You are right, it
makes a much dryer layout and we had to work those little wheels to make it
come out. Sure do miss those pots of smoking resin!

It looks like I will need to read the plans, newsletters, and then talk with
the seller to see what the deal on the gear legs is presently,

Thanks for the input,

Regards

Woody

Woody Sulloway wrote:

> As far as the MK II gear are concerned, they are supposed to be plans built,
> but no extra glass layers have been added, as suggested somewhere. Until I
> get my hands on all the papers, plans, newsletters, there is no telling. The
> present owner did remark how good a fit, (tight) the ends were in the Canard
> Box

The plans call for reinforcement.  "Step 4-  Radius the corners of your
gear leg and lay up 2 layers of 6oz bi-directional cloth over the complete
gear leg."

> The Canard is not the  canard the AC was certified with, that was why my
> concern about the Certificate. I agree, I don't think the FAA would care
> about a gear change, but suspect they might have more interest in a whole
> new canard. What has been your experience in these type of circumstances?

If you were to replace a warp drive prop with a Warnke prop,  re-cert
would be required.  If you were to replace a 1835 HAPI with a 110hp
Corvair,  re-cert would be required.  If you were replace a GU canard
with an LS1...  well, you get the idea.

If you were to replace a damaged warp drive prop with a new warp drive prop,
no re-cert would be required.  If you were to replace a worn 1835 HAPI with
new 1835 HAPI  no re-cert would be required.  If you were replace a busted GU
canard a new GU,  it's my OPINION that no re-cert would be required,  because
the same rule which governs the engine and prop,  governs the airframe.

> The ding in the canard looks like impact with a round object. In another
> life I'm a Marine Surveyor and had been active in the service and repair
> part of boating for 30 years. I'm pretty comfortable with Fiberglas and
> epoxy. The essential difference being that I can swim, but no matter how
> hard I flap my arms, I don't gain any altitude! Secondly I have learned that
> seemingly dumb unasked questions can bite, later!

Sounds like you can handle the repair no problem.  Biggest difference perhaps
between your current experience and the proposed project would be the type
of epoxy used.  Polyester vs Vinylester.  No major difference in techniques,
except that weight is critical,  so wet lay-ups are no bueno.

Pat

Pat,
Thanks for your input, The aircraft is low-priced and has some goodies, I
have been looking at the DF and Q lists for 6 months or more and think the
price is good for what it is. Like you I have seen a wide range of pricing
and equipment.

As far as the MK II gear are concerned, they are supposed to be plans built,
but no extra glass layers have been added, as suggested somewhere. Until I
get my hands on all the papers, plans, newsletters, there is no telling. The
present owner did remark how good a fit, (tight) the ends were in the Canard
Box

The Canard is not the  canard the AC was certified with, that was why my
concern about the Certificate. I agree, I don't think the FAA would care
about a gear change, but suspect they might have more interest in a whole
new canard. What has been your experience in these type of circumstances?

The ding in the canard looks like impact with a round object. In another
life I'm a Marine Surveyor and had been active in the service and repair
part of boating for 30 years. I'm pretty comfortable with Fiberglas and
epoxy. The essential difference being that I can swim, but no matter how
hard I flap my arms, I don't gain any altitude! Secondly I have learned that
seemingly dumb unasked questions can bite, later!

Thanks

Woody

Owen,

I have downloaded all 54 archive files from interstice.com.  Based on the
size of the files and the format that they are in, I think I will zip the
files and place them on my web site.  I do not know the exact size of all 54
archive files, but it would far exceed the 20 MB limit of eGroups.com (I
would estimate about 40 MB+ for the archives).  I will likely do something
like Kevin did, or I may zip the files for quicker download.  A test of one
file resulted in a zip size of 80k from the original 380k.  Either way, the
archives will be available in one form or another at multiple locations.  If
someone wanted the archives on a CD, I would gladly do that for them also.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Strawn" <owenstrawn@...>
To: <dragonlist@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: DFLY: New Dragonfly List???


> You'll find that Kevin has already posted the messages from 1996 thru
> early 1999 at:
> http://interstice.com/~kevinh/dragonarchive/
>
> > Owen,
> >
> > Good question, I will see if I can get all of the old messages off the
> > Dragonlist server.  I know it can be done, it will just take some time.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> > > Jeff, are you going to feed all the old messages into the new archive?
> > > Owen
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>

Woody Sulloway wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I looked at a possible DF purchase, this weekend. Although it has been
> flown, it needs some work.

Congrats!  (I think)

Give us way more detail about the project.  Like where it is,  who
built it,  who owns it now.  There may be some folk here on the list
that know things about it,  or they may be close enough to go look at
it with/for you.

Although it's truly no one's business but yours,  if you were to disclose
the purchase price,  along with it's other features (engine, instruments etc.)
folk could help advise for/against the purchase as a whole.  For example,
if it has a 500hr HAPI,  which has never been rebuilt,  day VFR
instrumentation,  no transponder and only a hand held radio,  and the you
were considering paying $14,000,  we'd all say RUN AWAY.  On the other hand,
if it were very very nice,  except for the things you've outlined here,
and you were getting it for $6,000,  I'm sure everyone would be happy for you.

> I noticed a fist sized area of crazed glass on
> the top of the canard toward the leading edge. The front edge of this area
> starts at the leading edge. Tapping the area confirmed that the glass has
> probably been impacted and the foam supporting the area crushed at least
> enough to have separation of the glass and foam in this area.
>
> Another thought was to Drill the area and inject flox (or something similar)
> to fill the gap, then after that sets, grind down and add a few layers of
> cloth and refinish.

I'd try and find out how the damage occurred,  so that you could inspect
possible other effected areas.  In any case,  it's probably repairable,
although micro would be preferable over flox.

> Second question.
>
> Sitting in the seats I noticed that my thighs were not supported by the
> cushions , as if the distance from the seat back to the rudder pedals was a
> little short for me. (I'm only 5' 10" but long from the waist down.) This
> left my legs hitting the dashboard at the sides. Not too comfortable! What's
> the cure? (Get a longer Aircraft? ) (Move the seat back, . or raise the
> angle of the seat cushion in the front to support the legs? )

You will probably have to remove the canard to move it,  repair it or both,
so I'd strongly consider moving the rudder pedals forward.

> Third Question:
> This AC has undergone the Mark II conversion (the AC reportedly groundlooped
> and did in the Mark I canard. it is registered and certificated, but I'm
> guessing, will need some kind of inspection in addition to a condition
> inspection, for the canard and gear mod. The present owner yells me that the
> FAA has told him get a DAR to look at it and do what he tells you. That
> seems like a rather open statement. Would the new canard be considered a
> major modification, As such can a DAR sign that off, or will the FAA have to
> inspect the AC again?

I converted a MKI to a MKII...  but I didn't build a new canard.  If you
were changing the airfoil or anything which would effect it's flying
characteristics,  I would agree with what you've been advised.  However,
when I went to the FAA with photos in hand,  the inspector said that
landing gear does not fall into the category of a major modification,  and
no additional inspections or inspections would be required.

> Last Question.
> I don't want to start a holy war, now!
>
> This AC currently has the straight FG gear, (no Bow) (no extra
> reinforcement)

By "(no extra reinforcement)" do you mean that the glass legs as they came
out of the mold,  have no additional fiberglass wrapped around them?  If
so,  you'll need to make new ones.

> What are the pro's and con's. Is this useable, or should I
> either plan on reinforcing the gear with additional layers of glass, or
> replacing it with the steel gear conversion.

If your plans are to fly from a hard surface (not grass),  and the
legs have been built and installed PER PLAN,  then you should have no
worries.  Should you bust one down the road,  you might want to consider
steel legs.

Hope this helps.

Pat

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aurigean@... wrote:
>
> Hello Guys,
>
> This is just a test.  Except for Pat.......what is this about
> visiting Sunny Florida???????

Sorry bud,  plans are in the making.  I will be winging my way
to Sunny Florida in the near future,  with biscuits for the pups.

> Hey there is no spell check on this stupid thing???????

You don't have to use that editor.  Now that you are registered,
your mail will come directly to you and you can reply as usual.

However, if you are to start a new thread,  you must send it to
Dragonflylist@egroups.com    You should add the address from this
message,  to your address book,  and delete the old interstice
address.

Pat

Hi All,
I looked at a possible DF purchase, this weekend. Although it has been
flown, it needs some work. I noticed a fist sized area of crazed glass on
the top of the canard toward the leading edge. The front edge of this area
starts at the leading edge. Tapping the area confirmed that the glass has
probably been impacted and the foam supporting the area crushed at least
enough to have separation of the glass and foam in this area.

Another thought was to Drill the area and inject flox (or something similar)
to fill the gap, then after that sets, grind down and add a few layers of
cloth and refinish.

  The canard is "new" in that it has been built, but never flown Although it
has been painted it will need to be sanded and have further featherfill
applied to smooth the surfaces.

So, can I safely repair this area by sanding out the glass gluing in a
little foam (or filling with something else) and re epoxying this area with
a suitable overlap on the patch? What would be considered a suitable
overlap, if the repair is feasible?

Second question.

Sitting in the seats I noticed that my thighs were not supported by the
cushions , as if the distance from the seat back to the rudder pedals was a
little short for me. (I'm only 5' 10" but long from the waist down.) This
left my legs hitting the dashboard at the sides. Not too comfortable! What's
the cure? (Get a longer Aircraft? ) (Move the seat back, . or raise the
angle of the seat cushion in the front to support the legs? )

Third Question:
This AC has undergone the Mark II conversion (the AC reportedly groundlooped
and did in the Mark I canard. it is registered and certificated, but I'm
guessing, will need some kind of inspection in addition to a condition
inspection, for the canard and gear mod. The present owner yells me that the
FAA has told him get a DAR to look at it and do what he tells you. That
seems like a rather open statement. Would the new canard be considered a
major modification, As such can a DAR sign that off, or will the FAA have to
inspect the AC again?

Last Question.
I don't want to start a holy war, now!

This AC currently has the straight FG gear, (no Bow) (no extra
reinforcement) What are the pro's and con's. Is this useable, or should I
either plan on reinforcing the gear with additional layers of glass, or
replacing it with the steel gear conversion.



TIA for input

Regards

Woody Sulloway
MRH

The Dragonfly DropBox contents have been moved to the Egroups site.
After Signing In, select Dragonflylist, then select FILES.

Regards,
Don Stewart

Thanks for asking, Pat. Laughlin is scheduled for February 24, 2001.
I'll do the website as soon as I can get a chance. I'm trying to squeeze
the last bit of building that I can on my home in Dewey before winter
snows set in.
Regards,
Don

Pat Panzera wrote:
>
> Jeff LeTempt wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > or you can see a fly-in schedule on the calendar
>
> Speaking of fly-ins,  Don do you have a date for Laughlin yet?
> I know you are probably still busy standing down from this year's
> Ottawa,  but I'm planning on having a running Corvair engine there
> (on a stand w/ prop),  and I need to plan far in advance.
>
> And as usual,  if there's anything I can do to help...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pat
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Dragonflylist-unsubscribe@egroups.com

A forwarded message from Drew.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aurigema, Andrew N" <AurigeAN@...>
To: "'Dragon List - general posting'" <dragonlist@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:24 PM
Subject: DFLY: aerodynamics for dummies


> Check this out.
>
> http://dutlls1.lr.tudelft.nl/lr1/lecture/sld001.htm
>
> Drew in cold but sunny Fl.
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>

COOL!!  Congratulations, Fred!
Owen

> I just hot wired my canard outer panels.  I used 0.032 stainless
> safety wire.  The transformer was set at about 23 volts.  Went slow
> and the cores turned out very well.  Piece of cake.
>
> Fred

I just hot wired my canard outer panels.  I used 0.032 stainless
safety wire.  The transformer was set at about 23 volts.  Went slow
and the cores turned out very well.  Piece of cake.

Fred

Jeff LeTempt wrote:

<snip>

> or you can see a fly-in schedule on the calendar

Speaking of fly-ins,  Don do you have a date for Laughlin yet?
I know you are probably still busy standing down from this year's
Ottawa,  but I'm planning on having a running Corvair engine there
(on a stand w/ prop),  and I need to plan far in advance.

And as usual,  if there's anything I can do to help...

Thanks!

Pat

Here's another project for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=504893207
Owen

Dave,

Let me assure you that the list is not going away.  I agree with you 100%,
this is an incredible source of information.  The knowledgeable Dragonfly
builders and flyers are terrific!!  I really feel that everyone will be
happy with the change over.  You should not see any difference in how things
work.  If you have been getting individual emails - that can continue, if
you have been getting the daily digest - that can continue.  The only
difference is you will be sending your emails to a different address.  The
extra benefits are....if you want to you can visit the Dragonflylist at
http://www.egroups.com/group/Dragonflylist and search a message archive or
view files that someone has placed there (good one Pat!!!), or you can see a
fly-in schedule on the calendar, or you can find that web site link that you
have misplaced, or you can chat with another Dragonfly builder or flyer that
may happen to be on line at the same time you are.  If you can't tell, I am
excited about this.  Not to mention all these good things, I will stop
getting all of those emails from majordomo everyday telling me about
bounced, rejected, or returned emails.

I feel that the list will only get better, faster, stronger - wait that was
the 6 million dollar man, not the Dragonflylist.

Jeff
http://www.egroups.com/group/Dragonflylist

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Baker" <principal@...>
To: <dragonlist@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: DFLY: New Dragonfly List???


> I would also regret not having the Dragonlist availble. The platform that
we
> use to access it is irrelevant to me. What counts is the tremendous help
> that you guys have been to people like me building the Dfly off on my own.
> Wherever it lives, lets not lose this valuable resource.
> Dave Baker
> Perth
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveMorris <dave@...>
> To: <dragonlist@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: DFLY: New Dragonfly List???
>
>
> > At 09:41 AM 11/20/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> > >Recently a question went unanswered.  Someone (forgive me for not
> remembering
> > >who it was) asked if folk were interested in a "general" aviation
e-mail
> list,
> > >where we could freely discuss items such as pilot training,
> aerodynamics,
> > >design, etc.,  not specific to Dragonflys.
> > >
> > >Although I was (am) in favor of this idea,  I didn't say anything
because
> > >I figured it would be a logistical nightmare.
> > >
> > >That was before I looked into this eGroups thing.   Now I welcome the
> idea.
> > >
> > >I think in the long run it will generate more total e-mail for those of
> us
> > >who would subscribe to it and stay on the DF list,  but for those who
are
> > >not interested,  they would probably see a drop in the total number,
as
> > >e-mails not DF appropriate would have a home.  Uninterested parties
would
> > >not have to suffer through some of mine and Drew's patented circular
> > >arguments.  :)
> >
> > Yeah, but there are already a bunch of those lists... probably even on
> > eGroups... who needs ANOTHER non-specific list?
> >
> > As far as the Dragonlist is concerned, this list is probably 95% of the
> > mechanism available by which Dragonfly questions can be answered quickly
> > and accurately, since we have no factory support.  As such, it is in my
> > opinion a totally indispensable tool for the builder.  It would behoove
> the
> > setter-upper of the list to maintain a complete list of everybody's
e-mail
> > address separately and independently of the eGroup itself as time goes
on,
> > just in case they were to suddenly go belly-up, in order to re-establish
> > contact if necessary.
> >
> >
> > Dave Morris
> > Still building N55UP
> > Thus, "...anything I say here must be weighed against the fact that my
> > Dragonfly has never left the NEW HANGAR, and thus anything I have said
> > could be utter BS, etc. etc. etc"
> >
> >
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Dave Morris wrote:
>
> I just wanted to be the first to post a message here.  Yeeee haaaaa!
> I've got a hangar!  Thanks to Jeff for bringing his trailer up to
> Dallas over the weekend.  We hauled all the parts up to the airport
> and I laid the airplane out on the floor with A connected to B and C
> connected to D, and I can finally start seeing the light at the end
> of the tunnel!

Total congrats Dave!

So when are we going to FL to build you an engine?

Pat

I just wanted to be the first to post a message here.  Yeeee haaaaa!
I've got a hangar!  Thanks to Jeff for bringing his trailer up to
Dallas over the weekend.  We hauled all the parts up to the airport
and I laid the airplane out on the floor with A connected to B and C
connected to D, and I can finally start seeing the light at the end
of the tunnel!

Dave