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--- On Wed, 1/23/13, henry sangret <henrysangret@...> wrote:

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 2:47 PM

where do you live ?

From: wandering_forrest <wandering_forrest@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: [Distillers] copper

does anyone out there have any insight or guidance on where to buy sheet copper?

#48844

From: "Edward Dekker" <dekker@...>
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:04 pm
Subject: RE: Re: memory jog?

endekker

http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144275-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipment-2010/page__st__1170__p__1777743#entry1777743

Also look at eGullet. The PID controllers are used by egullet users to control Sous Vide cookers.

For example:

http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144300-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipment-2011/page__st__720__p__1833710#entry1833710

· PedroG 437 posts

Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:32 PM

PID Tuning Guide Release 2

Finally, the new version of the PID tuning guide (authored by Frank Hsu, Peter Black, Robert Jueneman and Peter Gruber aka PedroG) is available for download. It contains new chapters:

· Ar: Integral Limit aka Anti – reset windup

· Output power Limit %

· Autotuning percentage

· Impact of Thermodynamic Properties of a cooker on PID-Tuning

It is copyright protected by FreshMealsSolutions, but Frank Hsu of FreshMealsSolutions explicitly gave permission to make the guide available for download in the eGullet forum, but not for publication on other websites (except his own of course) or otherwise.

PID-tuning-guide_R2_V006.pdf 270.31K 1309 downloads

Also:

What are the basics of PID settings?
How do PID controllers work with an induction hob?
What should I make of this PID controller temperature overshoot?

From: Distillers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Distillers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tgfoitwoods
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:49 PM
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?

Because I heat with propane, I've never really delved into the PID algoritm and tuning, but there are 2 places I'd look for help. One of them is the Modern Distiller forum, http://forum.moderndistiller.com/index.php
and the other one, Artisan Distillers Forum, http://www.artisan-distiller.net/
is temporarily down.

If you haven't been to either forum (they are very good, but advanced) start by introducing yourself with an intro message that includes your PID question. The owner of Artisan Distillers is another electrical engineer who does a lot of consulting with the distilling and still-making industry in Kentucky, and may be your best bet with PUD-tuning questions.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:
>
> I just read Somewhere that someone had a pretty good grasp of PID tuning. Don't remember which board or group, or who it was. Any help or PID tuning ideas? Thanks, H.
>

#48845

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:29 am
Subject: Re: beginning question(s)

tgfoitwoods

Sorry, the plated scrubbies are a great way to mess up a still run. They turn to black muck pretty quickly.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, roger shattuck wrote:
>
> About the copper scrubbers: the ones I've been finding are copper plated mystery metal from China. Are these safe to use?
> TheShatt's Speakeasy
>

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#48846

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:10 am
Subject: Re: memory jog?

tgfoitwoods

Edward,

Thanks so much for the very good information. It's got me interested, and I'll probably never get away from using propane under my potstill.

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Dekker" wrote:
>
> Also look at eGullet. The PID controllers are used by egullet users to
> control Sous Vide cookers.
>
>
>
> For example:
>
> http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144275-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipmen
> t-2010/page__st__1170__p__1777743#entry1777743
>
> http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144300-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipmen
> t-2011/page__st__720__p__1833710#entry1833710
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> . PedroG 437 posts
>
> Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:32 PM
>
> PID Tuning Guide Release 2
>
> Finally, the new version of the PID tuning guide (authored by Frank Hsu,
> Peter Black, Robert Jueneman and Peter Gruber aka PedroG) is available for
> download. It contains new chapters:
>
> . Ar: Integral Limit aka Anti - reset windup
>
> . Output power Limit %
>
> . Autotuning percentage
>
> . Impact of Thermodynamic Properties of a cooker on PID-Tuning
>
> It is copyright protected by FreshMealsSolutions, but Frank Hsu of
> FreshMealsSolutions explicitly gave permission to make the guide available
> for download in the eGullet forum, but not for publication on other websites
> (except his own of course) or otherwise.
>
>
>
ttach_id=19246> Attached File
>
ttach_id=19246> PID-tuning-guide_R2_V006.pdf 270.31K 1309 downloads
>
>
>
> Also:
>
> What are the
> basics of PID settings?
> How do PID
> controllers work with an induction hob?
> What should
> I make of this PID controller temperature overshoot?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Distillers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Distillers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of tgfoitwoods
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:49 PM
> To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?
>
>
>
>
>
> Because I heat with propane, I've never really delved into the PID algoritm
> and tuning, but there are 2 places I'd look for help. One of them is the
> Modern Distiller forum, http://forum.moderndistiller.com/index.php
> and the other one, Artisan Distillers Forum,
> http://www.artisan-distiller.net/
> is temporarily down.
>
> If you haven't been to either forum (they are very good, but advanced) start
> by introducing yourself with an intro message that includes your PID
> question. The owner of Artisan Distillers is another electrical engineer who
> does a lot of consulting with the distilling and still-making industry in
> Kentucky, and may be your best bet with PUD-tuning questions.
>
> Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller
> Making
> Fine Spirits
>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:
> >
> > I just read Somewhere that someone had a pretty good grasp of PID tuning.
> Don't remember which board or group, or who it was. Any help or PID tuning
> ideas? Thanks, H.
> >
>

#48847

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:29 am
Subject: Re: Re: memory jog?

last2blast

Electric might be safer, but electric is slower. On my kitchen stove it takes 2.5 hours to do a simple stripping run.

Robert

From: tgfoitwoods <zymurgybob@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:10 PM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?

#48848

From: "Buster" <buster_hawk1@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:22 pm
Subject: Moonshiners

buster_hawk1

Anyone watch this show? I got some good ideas for construction.

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#48849

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: Moonshiners

last2blast

Yes, but Tim has been showing what he used to do rather than what he does. The others are current moonshines because they provide clues. If you watch, there are more questions like corn in the pot to burn on the bottom would not make good moonshine.

Robert

From: Buster <buster_hawk1@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: [Distillers] Moonshiners

Anyone watch this show? I got some good ideas for construction.

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#48850

From: "Ed Barcik" <edbar44@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: copper

edbar44

http://basiccopper.com/copper-sheet--rolls.html

Try a roofing supply company, they use it for flashing and other things and it comes in decent size sheets and different thickness

#48851

From: Frank Narciso <franknarciso@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:08 am
Subject: Re: copper

franknarciso

Call larger plumbing supply places, mechanical and/or plumbing contractors. Or roofing gutter companies. They use the stuff. It is expensive. In California for a 3x8 sheet it was about $250.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:33 AM, roger shattuck <happy.feat@...> wrote:

--- On Wed, 1/23/13, henry sangret <henrysangret@...> wrote:

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 2:47 PM

where do you live ?

From: wandering_forrest <wandering_forrest@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: [Distillers] copper

does anyone out there have any insight or guidance on where to buy sheet copper?

#48852

From: forrest sutton <wandering_forrest@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: copper

wandering_fo...

I'm in NC

From: roger shattuck <happy.feat@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper

--- On Wed, 1/23/13, henry sangret <henrysangret@...> wrote:

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 2:47 PM

where do you live ?

From: wandering_forrest <wandering_forrest@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: [Distillers] copper

does anyone out there have any insight or guidance on where to buy sheet copper?

#48853

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: beginning question(s)

henrysangret

I wouldn't use then, who knows what they are made of, the Chinese were using alot of Russian scrap some old Nuclear Navy ships, want to the dark anyone?

From: roger shattuck <happy.feat@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: beginning question(s)

About the copper scrubbers: the ones I've been finding are copper plated mystery metal from China. Are these safe to use?

TheShatt's Speakeasy--- On Fri, 1/25/13, ballard_bootlegger <whitney@...> wrote:

From: ballard_bootlegger <whitney@...>
Subject: [Distillers] Re: beginning question(s)
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 5:24 PM

The pot and bowl is a fun one. :-) My version was a big tea kettle, my coil stuck through a cork in the spout. When you change packing try looking at a hardware store in the pest control department, they sell great copper mesh made to keep birds out. --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:> Hi Boot. Planning on ss scrubbers first, cause that's what the store had. Sometime today I will be running my first experimental wash through a pot still consisting of a ss pot, a bowl on top, and 1/4 inch copper tubing/coil out the top of the bowl. Bare bones, to say the least. Later I plan on modular parts which I can swap out as I learn. I'll post what happens next. H.>------------------------------------ Distillers list archives :http://www.taet.com.au/distillers.nsf/ FAQ, Howto distil etc. :http://homedistiller.orgYahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Distillers/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Distillers/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: Distillers-digest@yahoogroups.com Distillers-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Distillers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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#48854

From: "Dan D" <bloomingood1@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:14 pm
Subject: Gravity readings

eanxo2

Hello my fellow Distillers;
I am new to the world of distilling and need a bit of help to make sure I
understand my gravity readings.
I mashed up 100% cracked corn & sugar, cooled & pitched my yeast.
I forgot to take my reading before I add the yeast, but took a reading
anyways.
It showed my SP GR of 1.075 which is 12%(at least the way I understand it). So
my question is, did I read this correctly? Would the yeast through off my true
gravity or is it mute.

Thanks

#48855

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

tgfoitwoods

It would help some to know a bit more about your mash. For instance, many corn mashes are thick enough to retard the "sinking" of the hydrometer, which will give you artificially high readings. Also, if fermentation has started, bubbles can form on the hydrometer, also give high readings.

How much sugar did you put in for how much total volume? Of course, a lot of corn can confuse that calculation. When you say "mashed" your corn, does that mean you had enzymes o some sort present to convert the corn starch to sugar, and held the enzyme-corn mix at about 152F to 155F for an hour or so? That will change your specific gravity greatly. When you measured SG, did oyu stick the hydrometer in the kettle (with the corn) or did you get some clear liquid off the top of the mash, in a jar to measure SG?

Sorry to ask all these questions, but that will help us give better answers.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:
>
> Hello my fellow Distillers;
> I am new to the world of distilling and need a bit of help to make sure I understand my gravity readings.
> I mashed up 100% cracked corn & sugar, cooled & pitched my yeast.
> I forgot to take my reading before I add the yeast, but took a reading
> anyways.
> It showed my SP GR of 1.075 which is 12%(at least the way I understand it). So my question is, did I read this correctly? Would the yeast through off my true gravity or is it mute.
>
> Thanks
>

#48856

From: "Dan D" <eanxo2@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:34 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

eanxo2

Hi & thanks for looking into this.
I did 4.5 gal of distilled water, 7.5 lbs of cracked corn and 5 lbs of sugar. I
have a Bayou Classic SS pot with basket. I put cheese cloth in the basket &
added the corn & boiled. I sparged the corn after an hr @ 150 to 160 and added
the remaining half gal too, then added sugar. I used distillers yeast (Crosby &
Baker)40 grams (re hydrated in distilled 95 degree water)
After 20 min to re hydrate I pitched in the wash. closed the bucket & reopen
after remembering to check Gravity. yeast was in but had not started to bubble
until 20 min after checking the reading.
I have a glass jar for hydrometer, I poured the finished wash into it & spun it
then let it settle & got the reading.
And I have no issues with the questions, that's why I asked for the help. And
thanks again btw.

#48860

From: "mrlovjoy" <mrlovjoy1@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:32 am
Subject: Re: memory jog?

mrlovjoy

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Dekker"  wrote:
>
> Also look at eGullet.

Thanks Ed, and all. That manual from the cooking site is perfect. Now I can
begin assembling the equipment. The PID is fascinating, and I'll get parts for a
heatstick tomorrow, and collect some local Juniper (no shortage of that in the
desert) to try Gin flavoring. Maybe I'll even get a still built, if I quit
finding other interesting projects. Today's question. Ed mentioned that I would
need a Deflegmator. Is that in addition to a stuffed column? Any plans, or pics
of one around? Still enjoying the research. H.

#48861

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:55 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

tgfoitwoods

Thanks for the information. Kinda reverse-engineering your wash, 5 ounnds of sugar in what was probably close to 5 gallons of sugar-water solution, comes out to (about) 1 pound of sugar per gallon. That should give you a SG of 1.045 (roughly), equating to a potential alcohol of 5.9% ABV.

As far as the corn addition, it does not appear that any enzyme activity was used to convert the corn starches to fermentable sugars, so the corn extract's sole purpose would be for flavoring. I'm guessing that the corn starch raised your SG from 1.045 to the higher value that you told us earlier, but that doesn't change the potential alcohol possibility, because the increased SG doesn't represent an in crease in fermentable sugars.

To convert those corn starches to fermentable sugars, like the commercial whiskey manufacturers do, you have to first boil to gelatinize the corn starch, and then cool the mash to ~153-155F and add amylase enzymes, either from malted barley, or from bottled enzymes from you homebrew supplier. I'd suggest you google "all grain mash", although much of what you'll find will be about barley malt, which already has the amylase enzymes in it.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:
>
> Hi & thanks for looking into this.
> I did 4.5 gal of distilled water, 7.5 lbs of cracked corn and 5 lbs of sugar. I have a Bayou Classic SS pot with basket. I put cheese cloth in the basket & added the corn & boiled. I sparged the corn after an hr @ 150 to 160 and added the remaining half gal too, then added sugar. I used distillers yeast (Crosby & Baker)40 grams (re hydrated in distilled 95 degree water)
> After 20 min to re hydrate I pitched in the wash. closed the bucket & reopen after remembering to check Gravity. yeast was in but had not started to bubble until 20 min after checking the reading.
> I have a glass jar for hydrometer, I poured the finished wash into it & spun it then let it settle & got the reading.
> And I have no issues with the questions, that's why I asked for the help. And thanks again btw.
>

#48862

From: David Kiehl <dkiehl@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:22 am
Subject: RE: Re: memory jog?

intotoland

Home Distillation Handbook - How to Distill Quality Alcohol at Home Inexpensively and Safely.pdf

Sorry this info was slow for me to send to you

Dave

To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
From: mrlovjoy1@...
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:32:56 +0000
Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Dekker" wrote:
>
> Also look at eGullet.

Thanks Ed, and all. That manual from the cooking site is perfect. Now I can begin assembling the equipment. The PID is fascinating, and I'll get parts for a heatstick tomorrow, and collect some local Juniper (no shortage of that in the desert) to try Gin flavoring. Maybe I'll even get a still built, if I quit finding other interesting projects. Today's question. Ed mentioned that I would need a Deflegmator. Is that in addition to a stuffed column? Any plans, or pics of one around? Still enjoying the research. H.

3 of 3 File(s)

Alcohol Fuel (Making Your Own).pdf

Amazing Plastic Still Clever Method of Making Spirit.pdf

#48863

From: "Dan D" <eanxo2@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:45 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

eanxo2

Zymurgy Bob;
Thanks for checking into this for me.
The amounts are pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5
gallons in my bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading.
I didn't add the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I
found online that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose
for it.
  My aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the
first batch done for me to have a taste example to work from. The over all idea
was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess a neutral spirits is my goal. I will
be looking into the malts to do my sugar conversions more.
But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished readings.

Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

#48864

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:25 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

tgfoitwoods

Dan, you are very welcome, of course.

If you want to try a single grain whiskey, it's hard to beat a single malt using homebrew supply malted barley. It's already got the enzymes in it, and the procedure for barley malt is documented in lot of books and all over the web. Corn is several steps harder to work with, and I find barley whiskey delicious.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Zymurgy Bob;
> Thanks for checking into this for me.
> The amounts are pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5 gallons in my bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading.
> I didn't add the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I found online that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose for it.
> My aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the first batch done for me to have a taste example to work from. The over all idea was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess a neutral spirits is my goal. I will be looking into the malts to do my sugar conversions more.
> But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished readings.
>
> Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
>

#48865

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Gravity readings

last2blast

If you are a true artist, try malting your own grains its not too difficult. Sprout your grain, remove sprouts and roots, dry (possibly smoke) grind 25% and crush the rest. When my experiments move to include grains, I cant wait to try malting. If you watch the "Moonshiners" TV show, there is one person who doesn't use commercial yeast or sugar, and I have to try it that way this summer.

Robert

From: tgfoitwoods <zymurgybob@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:25 AM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings

#48866

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Gravity readings

henrysangret

I hope you people dont put much stock in the TV show, remember it a reality show and made to entertain not inform. If the show was real how long do you think it would take the government to put these people behind bars!

I love barley based whiskeys, I like to use 20% peated to give a hint of smoke and triple pot distill. Barley is also nice with 20% rye for spice.

Henry

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings

Robert

From: tgfoitwoods <zymurgybob@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:25 AM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings

Dan, you are very welcome, of course.If you want to try a single grain whiskey, it's hard to beat a single malt using homebrew supply malted barley. It's already got the enzymes in it, and the procedure for barley malt is documented in lot of books and all over the web. Corn is several steps harder to work with, and I find barley whiskey delicious.Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:>> > > > > > Zymurgy Bob;> Thanks for checking into this for me.> The amounts are pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5 gallons in my bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading. > I didn't add the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I found online that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose for it.> My aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the first batch done for me to have a taste example to work from. The over all idea was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess a neutral spirits is my goal. I will be looking into the malts to do my sugar conversions more.> But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished readings.> > Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.>

#48867

From: "mrlovjoy" <mrlovjoy1@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: memory jog?

mrlovjoy

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, David Kiehl  wrote:...

Thanks very much Dave. All very useful. H

#48868

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:37 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

tgfoitwoods

You got it, Henry,

Learning distilling from "Moonshiners" is like learning animal husbandry from "Scooby Doo".

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, henry sangret wrote:
>
> I hope you people dont put much stock in the TV show, remember it a reality show and made to entertain not inform. If the show was real how long do you think it would take the government to put these people behind bars!
> �
> I love barley based whiskeys, I like to use 20% peated to give a hint of smoke and triple pot distill. Barley is also nice with 20% rye for spice.
> �
> Henry
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: RLB
> To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings
>
>
> �
>
> If you are a true artist, try malting your own grains its not too
> difficult.� Sprout your grain, remove sprouts and roots, dry (possibly
> smoke) grind 25% and crush the rest.� When my experiments move to
> include grains, I cant wait to try malting.� If you watch the
> "Moonshiners" TV show, there is one person who doesn't use commercial
> yeast or sugar, and I have to try it that way this summer.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: tgfoitwoods
> To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:25 AM
> Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings
>
> �
> Dan, you are very welcome, of course.If you want to try a single grain whiskey, it's hard to beat a single malt using homebrew supply malted barley. It's already got the enzymes in it, and the procedure for barley malt is documented in lot of books and all over the web. Corn is several steps harder to work with, and I find barley whiskey delicious.Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits� --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:>> > > > > > Zymurgy Bob;> Thanks for checking into this for me.> The amounts are pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5 gallons in my bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading. > I didn't add the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I found online that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose for it.> My aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the first batch done for me to have a taste example
> to work from. The over all idea was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess a neutral spirits is my goal. I will be looking into the malts to do my sugar conversions more.> But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished readings.> > Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.>
>

#48869

From: "Dan D" <eanxo2@...>
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:48 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

eanxo2

Zymurgy Bob,Robert,Henry;
Gentlemen Thank you for the suggestions on the grains.
I do watch the show Moonshiners but I did some general research online to make
the decision to just use the corn off of that not the show. I also ready on
another forum (forget which with all the searching I have been doing)they just
used sugar, cornmeal & yeast.
I think I was aiming for a sour mash, but changed my mind & went with the recipe
I listed. I am reading more each day & looking into which grains or malts I want
to use on my next batch I make up. Just need to understand my processes of how
to cook them up & additives to use.

Henry thank you for the descriptions of the barley & peat, will keep it in mind
when looking for my next ingredients.

Robert- I did some research into malting my grains & seen a few ideas for indoor
processes as well. Will be something I get into a little later as I progress in
getting my ingredients & flavors honed in!

As always I thank you for the info & inputs!

#48870

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:49 am
Subject: Re: Re: Gravity readings

last2blast

If you knew nothing about distilling like myself before watching the show, Moonshines provided me with a few good tips: pot, thumper, and worm. As I learned more then it was obvious there was a lot missing. malting and smoking was another good tip.

Robert

From: tgfoitwoods <zymurgybob@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:37 PM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings

You got it, Henry,

Learning distilling from "Moonshiners" is like learning animal husbandry from "Scooby Doo".

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, henry sangret wrote:
>
> I hope you people dont put much stock in the TV show, remember it a reality show and made to entertain not inform. If the show was real how long do you think it would take the government to put these people behind bars!
> Â
> I love barley based whiskeys, I like to use 20% peated to give a hint of smoke and triple pot distill. Barley is also nice with 20% rye for spice.
> Â
> Henry
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: RLB
> To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings
>
>
> Â
>
> If you are a true artist, try malting your own grains its not too
> difficult.Â Sprout your grain, remove sprouts and roots, dry (possibly
> smoke) grind 25% and crush the rest.Â When my experiments move to
> include grains, I cant wait to try malting.Â If you watch the
> "Moonshiners" TV show, there is one person who doesn't use commercial
> yeast or sugar, and I have to try it that way this summer.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: tgfoitwoods
> To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:25 AM
> Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings
>
> Â
> Dan, you are very welcome, of course.If you want to try a single grain whiskey, it's hard to beat a single malt using homebrew supply malted barley. It's already got the enzymes in it, and the procedure for barley malt is documented in lot of books and all over the web. Corn is several steps harder to work with, and I find barley whiskey delicious.Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine SpiritsÂ --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:>> > > > > > Zymurgy Bob;> Thanks for checking into this for me.> The amounts are pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5 gallons in my bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading. > I didn't add the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I found online that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose for it.> My aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the first batch done for me to have a taste example
> to work from. The over all idea was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess a neutral spirits is my goal. I will be looking into the malts to do my sugar conversions more.> But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished readings.> > Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.>
>

#48871

From: "Dan D" <eanxo2@...>
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:08 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

eanxo2

I knew bits long ago & had a friend that made his own version of Southern
Comfort that I thought was a lot better. But he was an old school distiller &
made hi test fuel as well. But the show was good entertainment for me.

Zymurgy Bob: you almost made me fall out my chair with that comment. Get on
stage with stuff like that & you wont go broke. In my book anywho.

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, RLB  wrote:
>
> If you knew nothing about distilling like myself before watching the show,
Moonshines provided me with a few good tips: pot, thumper, and worm.  As I
learned more then it was obvious there was a lot missing.  malting and smoking
was another good tip.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: tgfoitwoods
> To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:37 PM
> Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings
>
>
>  
> You got it, Henry,
>
> Learning distilling from "Moonshiners" is like learning animal husbandry from
"Scooby Doo".
>
> Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits
>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, henry sangret  wrote:
> >
> > I hope you people dont put much stock in the TV show, remember it a reality
show and made to entertain not inform. If the show was real how long do you
think it would take the government to put these people behind bars!
> > Â 
> > I love barley based whiskeys, I like to use 20% peated to give a hint of
smoke and triple pot distill. Barley is also nice with 20% rye for spice.
> > Â 
> > Henry
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: RLB
> > To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com"
> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings
> >
> >
> > Â 
> >
> > If you are a true artist, try malting your own grains its not too
> > difficult.Â  Sprout your grain, remove sprouts and roots, dry (possibly
> > smoke) grind 25% and crush the rest.Â  When my experiments move to
> > include grains, I cant wait to try malting.Â  If you watch the
> > "Moonshiners" TV show, there is one person who doesn't use commercial
> > yeast or sugar, and I have to try it that way this summer.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: tgfoitwoods
> > To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:25 AM
> > Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings
> >
> > Â 
> > Dan, you are very welcome, of course.If you want to try a single grain
whiskey, it's hard to beat a single malt using homebrew supply malted barley.
It's already got the enzymes in it, and the procedure for barley malt is
documented in lot of books and all over the web. Corn is several steps harder to
work with, and I find barley whiskey delicious.Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller
Making Fine SpiritsÂ --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D"  wrote:>> > >
> > > Zymurgy Bob;> Thanks for checking into this for me.> The amounts are
pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5 gallons in my
bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading. > I didn't add
the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I found online
that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose for it.>  My
aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the first
batch done for me to have a taste
>  example
> >  to work from. The over all idea was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess
a neutral spirits is my goal. I will be looking into the malts to do my sugar
conversions more.> But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished
readings.> > Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.>
> >
>

#48872

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Gravity readings

henrysangret

I use corn alot to make a neutral spirit for topping my barrels off, I ferment and I distill on the grain.

I have been using a mix of yellow and white corn meal, they come in 25 lb. bags and I have been paying $12 per bag. Easy to use, just bring the necessary water to a rolling boil put put it into a suitable large fermenter add corn meal and mix thoroughly (hint : I use a propeller bladed paint mixer on a cordless electric drill) . I would suggest you put your chiller in immediately if you have one because it quickly gelatinizes. After the mash temp drops to 60 C I add my enzyme cocktail and thoroughly mix again, it thins quickly. When ready I distill in a water bath jacketed boiler so it doesn't scorch the grain, I have found that certain spirits taste better when distilled in such a way.

From: Dan D <eanxo2@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:48 PM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings

Zymurgy Bob,Robert,Henry;
Gentlemen Thank you for the suggestions on the grains.
I do watch the show Moonshiners but I did some general research on-line to make the decision to just use the corn off of that not the show. I also ready on another forum (forget which with all the searching I have been doing)they just used sugar, cornmeal & yeast.
I think I was aiming for a sour mash, but changed my mind & went with the recipe I listed. I am reading more each day & looking into which grains or malts I want to use on my next batch I make up. Just need to understand my processes of how to cook them up & additives to use.

Henry thank you for the descriptions of the barley & peat, will keep it in mind when looking for my next ingredients.

Robert- I did some research into malting my grains & seen a few ideas for indoor processes as well. Will be something I get into a little later as I progress in getting my ingredients & flavors honed in!

As always I thank you for the info & inputs!

#48873

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

tgfoitwoods

Henry,

What ratio of corn to water do you use? Corn mash can get awfully thick during some of the intermediate processes, at least for me. Oh, and what enzymes are you using? I alos gave up on barley malt and went to bottles enzymes, but I'm still not really happy.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, henry sangret wrote:
>
> I use corn alot to make a neutral spirit for topping my barrels off, I� ferment and I� distill on the grain.
> �
> I have been using a mix of yellow and white corn meal, they come in 25 lb. bags and I have been paying $12 per bag. Easy to use, just bring the necessary water to a rolling boil put put it into a suitable large fermenter add corn meal and mix thoroughly� (hint : I use a propeller bladed paint mixer on a cordless electric drill) . I would suggest you put your chiller in immediately if you have one because it quickly gelatinizes. After the mash temp drops to 60 C� I add my enzyme cocktail and thoroughly mix again, it thins quickly. When ready I distill in a water bath jacketed boiler� so it doesn't scorch the grain, I have found that certain spirits taste better when distilled in such a way.
>
>
> ________________________________
----snip----

#48874

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Date: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Gravity readings

henrysangret

I use 2 # of corn meal per gal of water, I like the meal because you don't need to simmer it for hours to release the starches. When buying corn meal try to get both white and yellow meal, the yellow is where most of the flavors are (outside of the kernel) and the white is where most starched are residing. You can use just yellow but you need to up the ratio to 2 1/3 # per gal. For starch conversions I am using both Alpha and Gluco-Amylase Enzymes and a yeast nutrient.

I generally cook up 5 gal of water and when it boils hard I dump it into a 20 gal fermenter and than mix the corn. While that is working I make a second batch and mix the water in, stirring thoroughly, (I love that paint stirer) and than add the corn mix and put the chiller in and let both batches set up for an hour before I start chilling to 60C.

From: tgfoitwoods <zymurgybob@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:46 PM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: Gravity readings

Henry,What ratio of corn to water do you use? Corn mash can get awfully thick during some of the intermediate processes, at least for me. Oh, and what enzymes are you using? I alos gave up on barley malt and went to bottles enzymes, but I'm still not really happy.Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, henry sangret wrote:>> I use corn alot to make a neutral spirit for topping my barrels off, IÂ ferment and IÂ distill on the grain. > Â > I have been using a mix of yellow and white corn meal, they come in 25 lb. bags and I have been paying $12 per bag. Easy to use, just bring the necessary water to a rolling boil put put it into a suitable large fermenter add corn meal and mix thoroughlyÂ (hint : I use a propeller bladed paint mixer on a cordless electric drill) . I would suggest you put your chiller in immediately if you have one because it quickly gelatinizes. After the mash temp drops to 60 CÂ I add my enzyme cocktail and thoroughly mix again, it thins quickly. When ready I distill in a water bath jacketed boilerÂ so it doesn't scorch the grain, I have found that certain spirits taste better when distilled in such a way.> > > ________________________________----snip----

#48875

From: "waljaco" <waljaco@...>
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2013 10:15 am
Subject: Hibiscus liqueur/liquore dell'ibisco/liquore al karkade

waljaco