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#48832

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: Southeast US

Another happy potstiller. That just warms my heart.

Bluwater, along the lines of what Henry just said, you should be able to make ahead or part of ahead that just swaps out the existing reflux head on your MileHi. That's 2" copper, right?

I live in a rural area with limited shopping service, but still I have 2 hardware stores that handle 2" pipe and will cut for me. In some ways, the smaller the store, the more likely they are to cut shorts.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, henry sangret wrote:
>
> I use the same boiler for my pot and reflux still. I use the pot still to keep the character of the whiskey I make , the reflux is for neutral spirits, havent had much luck with using the reflux as a pot still. I triple distill my burbon in the pot still .. comes out wonderful, just watch the cuts for the flavor you are looking for.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "bluwater2828@..."
> To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:03 PM
> Subject: [Distillers] Southeast US
>
>
> �
>
> I live in Georgia and wanted to know if anyone could recommend a supplier for copper sheet. Pretty much come to the conclusion my reflux still I purchased from mile hi is not going to make a good bourbon. I really like my still. Solid well made. But it wants to run distillate too high. Even not packing the column and running as a pot still. Tried turning the heat up and just scorches the wash.
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
>

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#48833

From: "Big Jim" <bigjim@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:12 am
Subject: Re: Southeast US

McMaster Carr has a shipping center in Atlanta. I have ordered 2" copper (I think it was them) from them and had it in North Florida the next day.

They ain't the cheapest place, BUTT they got most of what you need.

Big Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: henry sangret

To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Distillers] Southeast US

you can usually get 2 in copper through a good pipe and hardware supply. For stainless I use McMaster Carr out of Chicago, google it!

From: roger shattuck <happy.feat@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Southeast US

I think they keep that stuff hidden. I can't find any 2" pipe out here

--- On Thu, 1/24/13, bluwater2828@... <bluwater2828@...> wrote:

From: bluwater2828@... <bluwater2828@...>
Subject: [Distillers] Southeast US
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, January 24, 2013, 3:03 PM

I live in Georgia and wanted to know if anyone could recommend a supplier for copper sheet. Pretty much come to the conclusion my reflux still I purchased from mile hi is not going to make a good bourbon. I really like my still. Solid well made. But it wants to run distillate too high. Even not packing the column and running as a pot still. Tried turning the heat up and just scorches the wash.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone

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#48834

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:44 am
Subject: Re: I'm in the market for a new boiler.

What you could to is make 26 gal wash and siphon off 16 gal. Start a new batch by adding sugar and water since you still have active yeast in those ten remaining gal. You could be distilling every two weeks if you don't use turbo yeast.

Robert

From: Bill Rogers <bill.rogers@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com; new_distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: [Distillers] I'm in the market for a new boiler.

Looking for something with a drain spout, fittings for electric element, and preferably a 4in" tri clamp fitting on top. I typically do 15-17 gallon washes so the 13 gallon from hillbilly stills would be just a touch too small. and the 26 gallon a touch too big.

anyone recommend any other vendors? google search wasn't overly helpful, but maybe i was searching for the wrong terms

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#48835

From: "W D Heimer" <dheimer@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:03 am
Subject: Re: Southeast US

If you live near Augusta, Hajoca plumbing supply has 2” copper. They don’t normally sell short pieces, but they cut me a 4’ piece off of a length that was bent.

Reagrdz, Dave H.

From: bluwater2828@...

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Distillers] Southeast US

I live in Georgia and wanted to know if anyone could recommend a supplier for copper sheet. Pretty much come to the conclusion my reflux still I purchased from mile hi is not going to make a good bourbon. I really like my still. Solid well made. But it wants to run distillate too high. Even not packing the column and running as a pot still. Tried turning the heat up and just scorches the wash.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone

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#48836

From: Bill Rogers <bill.rogers@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:16 am
Subject: Re: I'm in the market for a new boiler.

Doing my washes in a 20 gallon brute.

On Jan 24, 2013 6:44 PM, "RLB" <last2blast@...> wrote:

�

What you could to is make 26 gal wash and siphon off 16 gal.� Start a new batch by adding sugar and water since you still have active yeast in those ten remaining gal.� You could be distilling every two weeks if you don't use turbo yeast.

Robert

From: Bill Rogers <bill.rogers@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com; new_distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: [Distillers] I'm in the market for a new boiler.

�

Looking for something with a drain spout, fittings for electric element, and preferably a 4in" tri clamp fitting on top. �I typically do 15-17 gallon washes so the 13 gallon from hillbilly stills would be just a touch too small. and the 26 gallon a touch too big. �

anyone recommend any other vendors? �google search wasn't overly helpful,�but maybe i was searching for the wrong terms

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#48837

From: "mrlovjoy" <mrlovjoy1@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:59 am
Subject: memory jog?

I just read Somewhere that someone had a pretty good grasp of PID tuning. Don't
remember which board or group, or who it was. Any help or PID tuning ideas?
Thanks, H.

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#48838

From: forrest sutton <wandering_forrest@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: Southeast US

wandering_fo...

I've owned a mile high still for several years and have made many attempts to achieve a good burbon without success, I soon will begin a new project of building a traditional pot still.

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#48839

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: memory jog?

Because I heat with propane, I've never really delved into the PID algoritm and tuning, but there are 2 places I'd look for help. One of them is the Modern Distiller forum, http://forum.moderndistiller.com/index.php
and the other one, Artisan Distillers Forum, http://www.artisan-distiller.net/
is temporarily down.

If you haven't been to either forum (they are very good, but advanced) start by introducing yourself with an intro message that includes your PID question. The owner of Artisan Distillers is another electrical engineer who does a lot of consulting with the distilling and still-making industry in Kentucky, and may be your best bet with PUD-tuning questions.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:
>
> I just read Somewhere that someone had a pretty good grasp of PID tuning. Don't remember which board or group, or who it was. Any help or PID tuning ideas? Thanks, H.
>

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#48840

From: "ballard_bootlegger" <whitney@...>
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:24 am
Subject: Re: beginning question(s)

ballard_boot...

The pot and bowl is a fun one. :-) My version was a big tea kettle, my coil
stuck through a cork in the spout.  When you change packing try looking at a
hardware store in the pest control department, they sell great copper mesh made
to keep birds out.

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy"  wrote:

> Hi Boot. Planning on ss scrubbers first, cause that's what the store had.
Sometime today I will be running my first experimental wash through a pot still
consisting of a ss pot, a bowl on top, and 1/4 inch copper tubing/coil out the
top of the bowl. Bare bones, to say the least. Later I plan on modular parts
which I can swap out as I learn. I'll post what happens next. H.
>

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#48841

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Date: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Southeast US

I did the same, I have a pot still and a reflux for neutral spirits. BTW I use the pot still alot, not just for whiskeys but also stripping washes!

From: forrest sutton <wandering_forrest@...>
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:06 AM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: Southeast US

I've owned a mile high still for several years and have made many attempts to achieve a good burbon without success, I soon will begin a new project of building a traditional pot still.

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#48842

From: roger shattuck <happy.feat@...>
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: beginning question(s)

About the copper scrubbers: the ones I've been finding are copper plated mystery metal from China. Are these safe to use?

TheShatt's Speakeasy

--- On Fri, 1/25/13, ballard_bootlegger <whitney@...> wrote:

From: ballard_bootlegger <whitney@...>
Subject: [Distillers] Re: beginning question(s)
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 5:24 PM

The pot and bowl is a fun one. :-) My version was a big tea kettle, my coil stuck through a cork in the spout. When you change packing try looking at a hardware store in the pest control department, they sell great copper mesh made to keep birds out.

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:

> Hi Boot. Planning on ss scrubbers first, cause that's what the store had. Sometime today I will be running my first experimental wash through a pot still consisting of a ss pot, a bowl on top, and 1/4 inch copper tubing/coil out the top of the bowl. Bare bones, to say the least. Later I plan on modular parts which I can swap out as I learn. I'll post what happens next. H.
>

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#48843

From: roger shattuck <happy.feat@...>
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: copper

--- On Wed, 1/23/13, henry sangret <henrysangret@...> wrote:

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 2:47 PM

where do you live ?

From: wandering_forrest <wandering_forrest@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: [Distillers] copper

does anyone out there have any insight or guidance on where to buy sheet copper?

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#48844

From: "Edward Dekker" <dekker@...>
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:04 pm
Subject: RE: Re: memory jog?

Also look at eGullet. The PID controllers are used by egullet users to control Sous Vide cookers.

For example:

http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144275-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipment-2010/page__st__1170__p__1777743#entry1777743

http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144300-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipment-2011/page__st__720__p__1833710#entry1833710

· PedroG 437 posts

Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:32 PM

PID Tuning Guide Release 2

Finally, the new version of the PID tuning guide (authored by Frank Hsu, Peter Black, Robert Jueneman and Peter Gruber aka PedroG) is available for download. It contains new chapters:

· Ar: Integral Limit aka Anti – reset windup

· Output power Limit %

· Autotuning percentage

· Impact of Thermodynamic Properties of a cooker on PID-Tuning

It is copyright protected by FreshMealsSolutions, but Frank Hsu of FreshMealsSolutions explicitly gave permission to make the guide available for download in the eGullet forum, but not for publication on other websites (except his own of course) or otherwise.

PID-tuning-guide_R2_V006.pdf 270.31K 1309 downloads

Also:

What are the basics of PID settings?
How do PID controllers work with an induction hob?
What should I make of this PID controller temperature overshoot?

From: Distillers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Distillers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tgfoitwoods
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:49 PM
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?

Because I heat with propane, I've never really delved into the PID algoritm and tuning, but there are 2 places I'd look for help. One of them is the Modern Distiller forum, http://forum.moderndistiller.com/index.php
and the other one, Artisan Distillers Forum, http://www.artisan-distiller.net/
is temporarily down.

If you haven't been to either forum (they are very good, but advanced) start by introducing yourself with an intro message that includes your PID question. The owner of Artisan Distillers is another electrical engineer who does a lot of consulting with the distilling and still-making industry in Kentucky, and may be your best bet with PUD-tuning questions.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:
>
> I just read Somewhere that someone had a pretty good grasp of PID tuning. Don't remember which board or group, or who it was. Any help or PID tuning ideas? Thanks, H.
>

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#48845

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:29 am
Subject: Re: beginning question(s)

Sorry, the plated scrubbies are a great way to mess up a still run. They turn to black muck pretty quickly.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, roger shattuck wrote:
>
> About the copper scrubbers: the ones I've been finding are copper plated mystery metal from China. Are these safe to use?
> TheShatt's Speakeasy
>

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#48846

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:10 am
Subject: Re: memory jog?

Edward,

Thanks so much for the very good information. It's got me interested, and I'll probably never get away from using propane under my potstill.

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Dekker" wrote:
>
> Also look at eGullet. The PID controllers are used by egullet users to
> control Sous Vide cookers.
>
>
>
> For example:
>
> http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144275-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipmen
> t-2010/page__st__1170__p__1777743#entry1777743
>
> http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144300-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipmen
> t-2011/page__st__720__p__1833710#entry1833710
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> . PedroG 437 posts
>
> Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:32 PM
>
> PID Tuning Guide Release 2
>
> Finally, the new version of the PID tuning guide (authored by Frank Hsu,
> Peter Black, Robert Jueneman and Peter Gruber aka PedroG) is available for
> download. It contains new chapters:
>
> . Ar: Integral Limit aka Anti - reset windup
>
> . Output power Limit %
>
> . Autotuning percentage
>
> . Impact of Thermodynamic Properties of a cooker on PID-Tuning
>
> It is copyright protected by FreshMealsSolutions, but Frank Hsu of
> FreshMealsSolutions explicitly gave permission to make the guide available
> for download in the eGullet forum, but not for publication on other websites
> (except his own of course) or otherwise.
>
>
>
ttach_id=19246> Attached File
>
ttach_id=19246> PID-tuning-guide_R2_V006.pdf 270.31K 1309 downloads
>
>
>
> Also:
>
> What are the
> basics of PID settings?
> How do PID
> controllers work with an induction hob?
> What should
> I make of this PID controller temperature overshoot?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Distillers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Distillers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of tgfoitwoods
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:49 PM
> To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?
>
>
>
>
>
> Because I heat with propane, I've never really delved into the PID algoritm
> and tuning, but there are 2 places I'd look for help. One of them is the
> Modern Distiller forum, http://forum.moderndistiller.com/index.php
> and the other one, Artisan Distillers Forum,
> http://www.artisan-distiller.net/
> is temporarily down.
>
> If you haven't been to either forum (they are very good, but advanced) start
> by introducing yourself with an intro message that includes your PID
> question. The owner of Artisan Distillers is another electrical engineer who
> does a lot of consulting with the distilling and still-making industry in
> Kentucky, and may be your best bet with PUD-tuning questions.
>
> Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller
> Making
> Fine Spirits
>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:
> >
> > I just read Somewhere that someone had a pretty good grasp of PID tuning.
> Don't remember which board or group, or who it was. Any help or PID tuning
> ideas? Thanks, H.
> >
>

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#48847

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:29 am
Subject: Re: Re: memory jog?

Electric might be safer, but electric is slower. On my kitchen stove it takes 2.5 hours to do a simple stripping run.

Robert

From: tgfoitwoods <zymurgybob@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:10 PM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?

Edward,

Thanks so much for the very good information. It's got me interested, and I'll probably never get away from using propane under my potstill.

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Dekker" wrote:
>
> Also look at eGullet. The PID controllers are used by egullet users to
> control Sous Vide cookers.
>
>
>
> For example:
>
> http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144275-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipmen
> t-2010/page__st__1170__p__1777743#entry1777743
>
> http://forums.egullet.org/topic/144300-sous-vide-recipes-techniques-equipmen
> t-2011/page__st__720__p__1833710#entry1833710
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> . PedroG 437 posts
>
> Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:32 PM
>
> PID Tuning Guide Release 2
>
> Finally, the new version of the PID tuning guide (authored by Frank Hsu,
> Peter Black, Robert Jueneman and Peter Gruber aka PedroG) is available for
> download. It contains new chapters:
>
> . Ar: Integral Limit aka Anti - reset windup
>
> . Output power Limit %
>
> . Autotuning percentage
>
> . Impact of Thermodynamic Properties of a cooker on PID-Tuning
>
> It is copyright protected by FreshMealsSolutions, but Frank Hsu of
> FreshMealsSolutions explicitly gave permission to make the guide available
> for download in the eGullet forum, but not for publication on other websites
> (except his own of course) or otherwise.
>
>
>
ttach_id=19246> Attached File
>
ttach_id=19246> PID-tuning-guide_R2_V006.pdf 270.31K 1309 downloads
>
>
>
> Also:
>
> What are the
> basics of PID settings?
> How do PID
> controllers work with an induction hob?
> What should
> I make of this PID controller temperature overshoot?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Distillers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Distillers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of tgfoitwoods
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:49 PM
> To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?
>
>
>
>
>
> Because I heat with propane, I've never really delved into the PID algoritm
> and tuning, but there are 2 places I'd look for help. One of them is the
> Modern Distiller forum, http://forum.moderndistiller.com/index.php
> and the other one, Artisan Distillers Forum,
> http://www.artisan-distiller.net/
> is temporarily down.
>
> If you haven't been to either forum (they are very good, but advanced) start
> by introducing yourself with an intro message that includes your PID
> question. The owner of Artisan Distillers is another electrical engineer who
> does a lot of consulting with the distilling and still-making industry in
> Kentucky, and may be your best bet with PUD-tuning questions.
>
> Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller
> Making
> Fine Spirits
>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:
> >
> > I just read Somewhere that someone had a pretty good grasp of PID tuning.
> Don't remember which board or group, or who it was. Any help or PID tuning
> ideas? Thanks, H.
> >
>

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#48848

From: "Buster" <buster_hawk1@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:22 pm
Subject: Moonshiners

Anyone watch this show? I got some good ideas for construction.

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#48849

From: RLB <last2blast@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: Moonshiners

Yes, but Tim has been showing what he used to do rather than what he does. The others are current moonshines because they provide clues. If you watch, there are more questions like corn in the pot to burn on the bottom would not make good moonshine.

Robert

From: Buster <buster_hawk1@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: [Distillers] Moonshiners

Anyone watch this show? I got some good ideas for construction.

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#48850

From: "Ed Barcik" <edbar44@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: copper

Try a roofing supply company, they use it for flashing and other things and it comes in decent size sheets and different thickness

http://basiccopper.com/copper-sheet--rolls.html

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#48851

From: Frank Narciso <franknarciso@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:08 am
Subject: Re: copper

Call larger plumbing supply places, mechanical and/or plumbing contractors. Or roofing gutter companies. They use the stuff. It is expensive. In California for a 3x8 sheet it was about $250.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:33 AM, roger shattuck <happy.feat@...> wrote:

--- On Wed, 1/23/13, henry sangret <henrysangret@...> wrote:

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 2:47 PM

where do you live ?

From: wandering_forrest <wandering_forrest@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: [Distillers] copper

does anyone out there have any insight or guidance on where to buy sheet copper?

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#48852

From: forrest sutton <wandering_forrest@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: copper

wandering_fo...

I'm in NC

From: roger shattuck <happy.feat@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper

--- On Wed, 1/23/13, henry sangret <henrysangret@...> wrote:

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Subject: Re: [Distillers] copper
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 2:47 PM

where do you live ?

From: wandering_forrest <wandering_forrest@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: [Distillers] copper

does anyone out there have any insight or guidance on where to buy sheet copper?

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#48853

From: henry sangret <henrysangret@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: beginning question(s)

I wouldn't use then, who knows what they are made of, the Chinese were using alot of Russian scrap some old Nuclear Navy ships, want to the dark anyone?

From: roger shattuck <happy.feat@...>
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: beginning question(s)

About the copper scrubbers: the ones I've been finding are copper plated mystery metal from China. Are these safe to use?

TheShatt's Speakeasy--- On Fri, 1/25/13, ballard_bootlegger <whitney@...> wrote:

From: ballard_bootlegger <whitney@...>
Subject: [Distillers] Re: beginning question(s)
To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 5:24 PM

The pot and bowl is a fun one. :-) My version was a big tea kettle, my coil stuck through a cork in the spout. When you change packing try looking at a hardware store in the pest control department, they sell great copper mesh made to keep birds out. --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mrlovjoy" wrote:> Hi Boot. Planning on ss scrubbers first, cause that's what the store had. Sometime today I will be running my first experimental wash through a pot still consisting of a ss pot, a bowl on top, and 1/4 inch copper tubing/coil out the top of the bowl. Bare bones, to say the least. Later I plan on modular parts which I can swap out as I learn. I'll post what happens next. H.>------------------------------------ Distillers list archives :http://www.taet.com.au/distillers.nsf/ FAQ, Howto distil etc. :http://homedistiller.orgYahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Distillers/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Distillers/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: Distillers-digest@yahoogroups.com Distillers-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Distillers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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#48854

From: "Dan D" <bloomingood1@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:14 pm
Subject: Gravity readings

eanxo2

Hello my fellow Distillers;
I am new to the world of distilling and need a bit of help to make sure I
understand my gravity readings.
I mashed up 100% cracked corn & sugar, cooled & pitched my yeast.
I forgot to take my reading before I add the yeast, but took a reading
anyways.
It showed my SP GR of 1.075 which is 12%(at least the way I understand it). So
my question is, did I read this correctly? Would the yeast through off my true
gravity or is it mute.

Thanks

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#48855

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

It would help some to know a bit more about your mash. For instance, many corn mashes are thick enough to retard the "sinking" of the hydrometer, which will give you artificially high readings. Also, if fermentation has started, bubbles can form on the hydrometer, also give high readings.

How much sugar did you put in for how much total volume? Of course, a lot of corn can confuse that calculation. When you say "mashed" your corn, does that mean you had enzymes o some sort present to convert the corn starch to sugar, and held the enzyme-corn mix at about 152F to 155F for an hour or so? That will change your specific gravity greatly. When you measured SG, did oyu stick the hydrometer in the kettle (with the corn) or did you get some clear liquid off the top of the mash, in a jar to measure SG?

Sorry to ask all these questions, but that will help us give better answers.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:
>
> Hello my fellow Distillers;
> I am new to the world of distilling and need a bit of help to make sure I understand my gravity readings.
> I mashed up 100% cracked corn & sugar, cooled & pitched my yeast.
> I forgot to take my reading before I add the yeast, but took a reading
> anyways.
> It showed my SP GR of 1.075 which is 12%(at least the way I understand it). So my question is, did I read this correctly? Would the yeast through off my true gravity or is it mute.
>
> Thanks
>

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#48856

From: "Dan D" <eanxo2@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:34 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

eanxo2

Hi & thanks for looking into this.
I did 4.5 gal of distilled water, 7.5 lbs of cracked corn and 5 lbs of sugar. I
have a Bayou Classic SS pot with basket. I put cheese cloth in the basket &
added the corn & boiled. I sparged the corn after an hr @ 150 to 160 and added
the remaining half gal too, then added sugar. I used distillers yeast (Crosby &
Baker)40 grams (re hydrated in distilled 95 degree water)
After 20 min to re hydrate I pitched in the wash. closed the bucket & reopen
after remembering to check Gravity. yeast was in but had not started to bubble
until 20 min after checking the reading.
I have a glass jar for hydrometer, I poured the finished wash into it & spun it
then let it settle & got the reading.
And I have no issues with the questions, that's why I asked for the help. And
thanks again btw.

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#48860

From: "mrlovjoy" <mrlovjoy1@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:32 am
Subject: Re: memory jog?

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Dekker"  wrote:
>
> Also look at eGullet.

Thanks Ed, and all. That manual from the cooking site is perfect. Now I can
begin assembling the equipment. The PID is fascinating, and I'll get parts for a
heatstick tomorrow, and collect some local Juniper (no shortage of that in the
desert) to try Gin flavoring. Maybe I'll even get a still built, if I quit
finding other interesting projects. Today's question. Ed mentioned that I would
need a Deflegmator. Is that in addition to a stuffed column? Any plans, or pics
of one around? Still enjoying the research. H.

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#48861

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:55 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

Thanks for the information. Kinda reverse-engineering your wash, 5 ounnds of sugar in what was probably close to 5 gallons of sugar-water solution, comes out to (about) 1 pound of sugar per gallon. That should give you a SG of 1.045 (roughly), equating to a potential alcohol of 5.9% ABV.

As far as the corn addition, it does not appear that any enzyme activity was used to convert the corn starches to fermentable sugars, so the corn extract's sole purpose would be for flavoring. I'm guessing that the corn starch raised your SG from 1.045 to the higher value that you told us earlier, but that doesn't change the potential alcohol possibility, because the increased SG doesn't represent an in crease in fermentable sugars.

To convert those corn starches to fermentable sugars, like the commercial whiskey manufacturers do, you have to first boil to gelatinize the corn starch, and then cool the mash to ~153-155F and add amylase enzymes, either from malted barley, or from bottled enzymes from you homebrew supplier. I'd suggest you google "all grain mash", although much of what you'll find will be about barley malt, which already has the amylase enzymes in it.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:
>
> Hi & thanks for looking into this.
> I did 4.5 gal of distilled water, 7.5 lbs of cracked corn and 5 lbs of sugar. I have a Bayou Classic SS pot with basket. I put cheese cloth in the basket & added the corn & boiled. I sparged the corn after an hr @ 150 to 160 and added the remaining half gal too, then added sugar. I used distillers yeast (Crosby & Baker)40 grams (re hydrated in distilled 95 degree water)
> After 20 min to re hydrate I pitched in the wash. closed the bucket & reopen after remembering to check Gravity. yeast was in but had not started to bubble until 20 min after checking the reading.
> I have a glass jar for hydrometer, I poured the finished wash into it & spun it then let it settle & got the reading.
> And I have no issues with the questions, that's why I asked for the help. And thanks again btw.
>

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#48862

From: David Kiehl <dkiehl@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:22 am
Subject: RE: Re: memory jog?

Sorry this info was slow for me to send to you

Dave

To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
From: mrlovjoy1@...
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:32:56 +0000
Subject: [Distillers] Re: memory jog?

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Dekker" wrote:
>
> Also look at eGullet.

Thanks Ed, and all. That manual from the cooking site is perfect. Now I can begin assembling the equipment. The PID is fascinating, and I'll get parts for a heatstick tomorrow, and collect some local Juniper (no shortage of that in the desert) to try Gin flavoring. Maybe I'll even get a still built, if I quit finding other interesting projects. Today's question. Ed mentioned that I would need a Deflegmator. Is that in addition to a stuffed column? Any plans, or pics of one around? Still enjoying the research. H.

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#48863

From: "Dan D" <eanxo2@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:45 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

eanxo2

Zymurgy Bob;
Thanks for checking into this for me.
The amounts are pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5
gallons in my bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading.
I didn't add the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I
found online that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose
for it.
  My aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the
first batch done for me to have a taste example to work from. The over all idea
was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess a neutral spirits is my goal. I will
be looking into the malts to do my sugar conversions more.
But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished readings.

Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

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#48864

From: "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:25 am
Subject: Re: Gravity readings

Dan, you are very welcome, of course.

If you want to try a single grain whiskey, it's hard to beat a single malt using homebrew supply malted barley. It's already got the enzymes in it, and the procedure for barley malt is documented in lot of books and all over the web. Corn is several steps harder to work with, and I find barley whiskey delicious.

Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan D" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Zymurgy Bob;
> Thanks for checking into this for me.
> The amounts are pretty much right on, But I only ended up with a total of 4.5 gallons in my bucket. Which may have been the reason for the higher reading.
> I didn't add the enzymes as you concluded. I went with a simple mash recipe I found online that I could start out with. But was unsure which malts to choose for it.
> My aim is to make a single grain shine to learn on and expand once I had the first batch done for me to have a taste example to work from. The over all idea was to do a fruit infused shine, so I guess a neutral spirits is my goal. I will be looking into the malts to do my sugar conversions more.
> But once it finishes fermenting I will post my finished readings.
>
> Again thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
>

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