--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@...> wrote:
>
> Mike:
>
> I kind of gathered that from reading the article.  I also wondered who, in
Britain, actually reads this stuff?
> Anne G
>

Old farts, Anne.

--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, Joe Cooper <joe0727@...> wrote:
>
>
>       Exactly how influential is the UK Telegraph?
>

It's the house organ of the dim (and ageing) end of the Tory Party.

--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, Carol Smith <humanist@...> wrote:
>
> This is funny (and short)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zdyJkKA5L4
>
That was good.

Buck

The volume is loud. You might want to turn it down.

Buck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGpr2CFGAzM

The US needs people like him. Thanks for forwarding.

On 01/06/2010, buck12ga2000 <hannahd5302@...> wrote:
> This Mikey Weinstein is my hero! Buck   Mikey Weinstein's Crusade
> Meet the man who's trying to purge evangelical Christianity from the
> Pentagon.
> BY STEPHEN GLAIN | MAY 25, 2010
>
> Michael L. "Mikey" Weinstein shares his hate mail with both friends and
> strangers the way elderly people show off photos of their grandkids. He
> has plenty of it to share. For the past four years, the founder of the
> Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has been doing battle with
> a Christian subculture that, he believes, is trying to Christianize the
> U.S. armed forces with the help of a complicit Pentagon brass. He calls
> it the "fundamentalist Christian
> parachurch-military-corporate-proselytizing complex," a mouthful by
> which he means holy warriors in contempt of the constitutional barrier
> between church and state.
>
> "The scary thing about all this," Weinstein says, "is it's going on not
> with the blind eye of the Pentagon but with its full and totally
> enthusiastic support. And those who are not directly involved are
> passive about it. As the Talmud says, 'silence is consent.'"
>
> You may recall the headlines in January, when a company called Trijicon,
> the lead supplier of rifle scopes to the U.S. military, was found to
> have inscribed them with coded references to passages in the New
> Testament. That was Weinstein -- his organization threatened to sue
> Trijicon, which eventually agreed to discontinue the practice and
> distribute kits that would enable troops to retroactively secularize
> their scopes. Weinstein grabbed headlines again last month by pressuring
> the Pentagon to withdraw an invitation to the Rev. Franklin Graham,
> known for his Islamophobic oratory, to speak at a National Day of Prayer
> Task Force service. That provoked a stiff rebuke of Weinstein and his
> group from Shirley Dobson, wife of conservative Christian leader James
> Dobson and the task force chairwoman.
>
> Built like a cinder block, with a bare cranium shaped like a howitzer
> round, Weinstein -- a former Air Force judge advocate general -- has the
> air of a born fighter. This battle is personal for him: Nearly 30 years
> ago, as a Jewish cadet at the Air Force Academy in Colorado, he was
> twice beaten unconscious in anti-Semitic attacks. (There wouldn't have
> been much of a choice of targets -- only 0.3 percent of the members of
> the U.S. military identify themselves as Jewish. Ninety-four percent are
> Christian.) Visiting his son, Curtis, on the eve of his own second year
> at the academy in the summer of 2004, Weinstein was stunned to learn
> little had changed; over lunch at McDonald's, Curtis told his father
> that he had been verbally abused eight or nine times by officers and
> fellow cadets on account of his religion. Weinstein filed a complaint,
> in response to which the Air Force launched an investigation that
> revealed a top-down, invasive evangelicalism in the academy. Among other
> things, it revealed that the commandant of cadets taught the entire
> incoming class a "J for Jesus" hand signal, that the football coach had
> draped a "Team Jesus" banner across the academy locker room, and that
> more than 250 faculty members and senior officers signed a campus
> newspaper advertisement that proclaimed: "We believe that Jesus Christ
> is the only real hope for the world." Weinstein has been a First
> Amendment vigilante ever since.
>
> snip   http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/25/mikey_...
> <http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/25/mikey_weinsteins_crusa\
> de>
>

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This Mikey Weinstein is my hero!

Buck

 

Mikey Weinstein's Crusade
Meet the man who's trying to purge evangelical Christianity from the Pentagon.
BY STEPHEN GLAIN | MAY 25, 2010

Michael L. "Mikey" Weinstein shares his hate mail with both friends and strangers the way elderly people show off photos of their grandkids. He has plenty of it to share. For the past four years, the founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has been doing battle with a Christian subculture that, he believes, is trying to Christianize the U.S. armed forces with the help of a complicit Pentagon brass. He calls it the "fundamentalist Christian parachurch-military-corporate-proselytizing complex," a mouthful by which he means holy warriors in contempt of the constitutional barrier between church and state.

"The scary thing about all this," Weinstein says, "is it's going on not with the blind eye of the Pentagon but with its full and totally enthusiastic support. And those who are not directly involved are passive about it. As the Talmud says, 'silence is consent.'"

You may recall the headlines in January, when a company called Trijicon, the lead supplier of rifle scopes to the U.S. military, was found to have inscribed them with coded references to passages in the New Testament. That was Weinstein -- his organization threatened to sue Trijicon, which eventually agreed to discontinue the practice and distribute kits that would enable troops to retroactively secularize their scopes. Weinstein grabbed headlines again last month by pressuring the Pentagon to withdraw an invitation to the Rev. Franklin Graham, known for his Islamophobic oratory, to speak at a National Day of Prayer Task Force service. That provoked a stiff rebuke of Weinstein and his group from Shirley Dobson, wife of conservative Christian leader James Dobson and the task force chairwoman.

Built like a cinder block, with a bare cranium shaped like a howitzer round, Weinstein -- a former Air Force judge advocate general -- has the air of a born fighter. This battle is personal for him: Nearly 30 years ago, as a Jewish cadet at the Air Force Academy in Colorado, he was twice beaten unconscious in anti-Semitic attacks. (There wouldn't have been much of a choice of targets -- only 0.3 percent of the members of the U.S. military identify themselves as Jewish. Ninety-four percent are Christian.) Visiting his son, Curtis, on the eve of his own second year at the academy in the summer of 2004, Weinstein was stunned to learn little had changed; over lunch at McDonald's, Curtis told his father that he had been verbally abused eight or nine times by officers and fellow cadets on account of his religion. Weinstein filed a complaint, in response to which the Air Force launched an investigation that revealed a top-down, invasive evangelicalism in the academy. Among other things, it revealed that the commandant of cadets taught the entire incoming class a "J for Jesus" hand signal, that the football coach had draped a "Team Jesus" banner across the academy locker room, and that more than 250 faculty members and senior officers signed a campus newspaper advertisement that proclaimed: "We believe that Jesus Christ is the only real hope for the world." Weinstein has been a First Amendment vigilante ever since.

snip

 

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/25/mikey_...

 

--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, Joe Cooper <joe0727@...> wrote:
>
>
> Exactly how influential is the UK Telegraph?
>

It's the house organ of the dim (and ageing) end of the Tory Party.

 

The volume is loud. You might want to turn it down.

Buck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGpr2CFGAzM

All:

This article from Salon is very interesting, and, in the light of recent
events, exceedingly relevant, IMO

Read it here:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/05/31/texas_textbooks_confederacy\
?source=newsletter

Anne G

The Science Channel will be showing a series called "Through the Wormhole"
starting Wed. June 9.  The first episode is "Is There a Creator?"  There was a
short segment on NPR today

"In Through The Wormhole, all theories around the creation of the universe are
entertained, says Freeman. But those who take a literal view of the Bible will
not find the series encouraging"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127348975

http://science.discovery.com/tv/through-the-wormhole/

--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@...> wrote:
>
> Buck:
>
> Good grief! Why is the Pentagon even allowing this?????
> Anne G

I don't understand why they allowed it to go on so long-to become so firmly entrenched. This goes against the constitution of the U.S. that these Generals are sworn to defend. Sickening really.

Buck

>
>
>
>
> This Mikey Weinstein is my hero!
> Buck
>
> Mikey Weinstein's Crusade
> Meet the man who's trying to purge evangelical Christianity from the Pentagon.
> BY STEPHEN GLAIN | MAY 25, 2010
>
> Michael L. "Mikey" Weinstein shares his hate mail with both friends and strangers the way elderly people show off photos of their grandkids. He has plenty of it to share. For the past four years, the founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has been doing battle with a Christian subculture that, he believes, is trying to Christianize the U.S. armed forces with the help of a complicit Pentagon brass. He calls it the "fundamentalist Christian parachurch-military-corporate-proselytizing complex," a mouthful by which he means holy warriors in contempt of the constitutional barrier between church and state.
>
> "The scary thing about all this," Weinstein says, "is it's going on not with the blind eye of the Pentagon but with its full and totally enthusiastic support. And those who are not directly involved are passive about it. As the Talmud says, 'silence is consent.'"
>
> You may recall the headlines in January, when a company called Trijicon, the lead supplier of rifle scopes to the U.S. military, was found to have inscribed them with coded references to passages in the New Testament. That was Weinstein -- his organization threatened to sue Trijicon, which eventually agreed to discontinue the practice and distribute kits that would enable troops to retroactively secularize their scopes. Weinstein grabbed headlines again last month by pressuring the Pentagon to withdraw an invitation to the Rev. Franklin Graham, known for his Islamophobic oratory, to speak at a National Day of Prayer Task Force service. That provoked a stiff rebuke of Weinstein and his group from Shirley Dobson, wife of conservative Christian leader James Dobson and the task force chairwoman.
>
> Built like a cinder block, with a bare cranium shaped like a howitzer round, Weinstein -- a former Air Force judge advocate general -- has the air of a born fighter. This battle is personal for him: Nearly 30 years ago, as a Jewish cadet at the Air Force Academy in Colorado, he was twice beaten unconscious in anti-Semitic attacks. (There wouldn't have been much of a choice of targets -- only 0.3 percent of the members of the U.S. military identify themselves as Jewish. Ninety-four percent are Christian.) Visiting his son, Curtis, on the eve of his own second year at the academy in the summer of 2004, Weinstein was stunned to learn little had changed; over lunch at McDonald's, Curtis told his father that he had been verbally abused eight or nine times by officers and fellow cadets on account of his religion. Weinstein filed a complaint, in response to which the Air Force launched an investigation that revealed a top-down, invasive evangelicalism in the academy. Among other things, it revealed that the commandant of cadets taught the entire incoming class a "J for Jesus" hand signal, that the football coach had draped a "Team Jesus" banner across the academy locker room, and that more than 250 faculty members and senior officers signed a campus newspaper advertisement that proclaimed: "We believe that Jesus Christ is the only real hope for the world." Weinstein has been a First Amendment vigilante ever since.
>
> snip
>
> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/25/mikey_...
>

Sort of Anne. The Torygraph's previous owner was Conrad Black who tried to push
the newspaper to support American wingnuttery - not so difficult as there was
always an element of nuttery about the Torygraph. Black has long lost control of
the paper - he milked (financially) it of everything possible. However, I
suspect that some of his placemen still hold significant positions in the paper
which is now owned by an oddball pair of brothers, The Barclays. They seem to be
under the illusion that they are feudal aristocrats.

Basically the Torygraph has always lived 30-40 years in the past. tradionallly
it was (and, not doubt, still is) the newspaper of middle class men who didn't
have a university education (their wives read the Daily Mail). It still shows.

--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@...> wrote:
>
> All:
>
> This article from Salon is very interesting, and, in the light of recent
> events, exceedingly relevant, IMO
>
> Read it here:
>
> http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/05/31/texas_textbooks_confederacy?source=newsletter
>
> Anne G
>
That article pretty much sums it up, Anne. I like Solon, there is always something interesting.

Buck

--- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, "bikerpenguin66" <bneville66@...> wrote:
>
> The Science Channel will be showing a series called "Through the Wormhole" starting Wed. June 9. The first episode is "Is There a Creator?" There was a short segment on NPR today
>
> "In Through The Wormhole, all theories around the creation of the universe are entertained, says Freeman. But those who take a literal view of the Bible will not find the series encouraging"
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127348975
>
> http://science.discovery.com/tv/through-the-wormhole/
>
Hey, that was some fascinating stuff. The lengths they will go to to find a sub-atomic particle!

Buck

Democratic Club Withdraws Award from Weinstein

Posted: 01 Jun 2010 10:02 AM PDT

You may have heard about this by now. The Pacific Palisades Democratic Club was set to present the Anne Froelich Political Courage Award to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation for their work in protecting the religious liberty of American soldiers, but they rescinded the invitation after finding out that Mikey was a counsel in the Reagan White House in the early 80s.

As a JAG officer, Mikey was assigned to that position by the Air Force, but that seems not to matter to the PPDC. Apparently anyone ever associated with a Republican in any way is incapable of displaying political courage. The good news is that their decision has prompted quite a backlash.

Madness. These things should not be politicised.

On 02/06/2010, Joe Cooper <joe0727@...> wrote:
> Democratic Club Withdraws Award from Weinstein
>
<http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/scienceblogs/dispatches/%7E3/KlvRSiE4UFg/democ\
ratic_club_withdraws_awar.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>
>
> Posted: 01 Jun 2010 10:02 AM PDT
>
> You may have heard about this by now. The Pacific Palisades Democratic
> Club <http://www.palisadesdemclub.org/> was set to present the Anne
> Froelich Political Courage Award to Mikey Weinstein and the Military
> Religious Freedom Foundation for their work in protecting the religious
> liberty of American soldiers, but they rescinded the invitation after
> finding out that Mikey was a counsel in the Reagan White House in the
> early 80s.
>
> As a JAG officer, Mikey was assigned to that position by the Air Force,
> but that seems not to matter to the PPDC. Apparently anyone ever
> associated with a Republican in any way is incapable of displaying
> political courage. The good news is that their decision has prompted
> quite a backlash.
>
>

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[[[Re: Evangelical Christainity in the Pentagon.
    Posted by: "Anne Gilbert" avgilbert@... shanidar9
    Date: Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:37 pm ((PDT))
Good grief! Why is the Pentagon even allowing this?????]]]

---Because religious fanatics make for braver soldiers, perhaps?


--
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http://brianvds.livejournal.com/

 

That article pretty much sums it up, Anne. I like Solon, there is always something interesting.

I'm really not surprised.  I know Texas too well for that. I actually lived there for two years. Still, there are people, even in Texas who are opposing this,

and a lpt of related crap as well.  They don't want Texas to become more of a laughingstock than it already is.

Anne G

 

Sort of Anne. The Torygraph's previous owner was Conrad Black who tried to push the newspaper to support American wingnuttery - not so difficult as there was always an element of nuttery about the Torygraph. Black has long lost control of the paper - he milked (financially) it of everything possible. However, I suspect that some of his placemen still hold significant positions in the paper which is now owned by an oddball pair of brothers, The Barclays. They seem to be under the illusion that they are feudal aristocrats.

Basically the Torygraph has always lived 30-40 years in the past. tradionallly it was (and, not doubt, still is) the newspaper of middle class men who didn't have a university education (their wives read the Daily Mail). It still shows.

Basically it sounds as though the Telegraph is a lot like Faux News(sigh), even if the demographics in each case may be a bit different.

Anne G

 

I don't understand why they allowed it to go on so long-to become so firmly entrenched. This goes against the constitution of the U.S. that these Generals are sworn to defend. Sickening really.

Buck

>

 

Madness. These things should not be politicised.

On 02/06/2010, Joe Cooper <joe0727@...> wrote:
> Democratic Club Withdraws Award from Weinstein
> <http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/scienceblogs/dispatches/%7E3/KlvRSiE4UFg/democratic_club_withdraws_awar.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>
>
> Posted: 01 Jun 2010 10:02 AM PDT
>
> You may have heard about this by now. The Pacific Palisades Democratic
> Club <http://www.palisadesdemclub.org/> was set to present the Anne
> Froelich Political Courage Award to Mikey Weinstein and the Military
> Religious Freedom Foundation for their work in protecting the religious
> liberty of American soldiers, but they rescinded the invitation after
> finding out that Mikey was a counsel in the Reagan White House in the
> early 80s.
>
> As a JAG officer, Mikey was assigned to that position by the Air Force,
> but that seems not to matter to the PPDC. Apparently anyone ever
> associated with a Republican in any way is incapable of displaying
> political courage. The good news is that their decision has prompted
> quite a backlash.
>
>

--
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>
>   Basically it sounds as though the Telegraph is a lot like Faux News(sigh),
even if the demographics in each case may be a bit different.
>   Anne G
>
it certainly includes some Fox News-type wingnuttery but its not as extreme. The
media faces a different culture in the UK than the USA in that broadcasting
regulation requires TV and radio to carry fair and balanced news. Moreover, the
BBC is by far the dominant broadcaster in Britain. So the public are used to
"balanced" reporting. The extremes of Fox News would look to be what they are
and would turn many off. The issue pervades into much of the print media.

By and large, American TV programming is not popular in the UK (we produce our
own home grown rubbish) despite a common lamguage. Accent is a real problem
(it's impossible to get a job as a news reader or reporter in UK broadcasting if
you have an American accent).

In general the UK is well to the political left of the USA - even the Torygraph
is left wing by US standards. It's not gonna change either. The Tory party
itself has just swung very leftwards thanks to a coalition with the Liberal
Democrats. Finally, the UK is nowhere near as religious as the USA and where it
is, the dominant sect is the Anglican Church. Fundies are basically seen as
downmarket, working class and relatively poorly educated. The Torygraph,
bizarrly, thinks its readers are upmarket and well educated.

> By and large, American TV programming is not popular in the UK

A look through all the popular channels on Freeview and Virgin Media
says otherwise:} News-wise though, the UK prefers the homegrown
networks.

>The Torygraph, bizarrly, thinks its readers are upmarket and well educated.

And the moon is made of cheese:-) The Torygraph is good to laugh at.

We're not the ones with the accent--you are.  ;)

Of course, every time I read one of your posts, I automatically give you an
American accent. And I suppose you must automatically give me a British accent.

Lenny Flank

On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 10:34 AM EDT Roger wrote:

>
>
>>
>>   Basically it sounds as though the Telegraph is a lot like Faux News(sigh),
even if the demographics in each case may be a bit different.
>>   Anne G
>>
>it certainly includes some Fox News-type wingnuttery but its not as extreme.
The media faces a different culture in the UK than the USA in that broadcasting
regulation requires TV and radio to carry fair and balanced news. Moreover, the
BBC is by far the dominant broadcaster in Britain. So the public are used to
"balanced" reporting. The extremes of Fox News would look to be what they are
and would turn many off. The issue pervades into much of the print media.
>
>By and large, American TV programming is not popular in the UK (we produce our
own home grown rubbish) despite a common lamguage. Accent is a real problem
(it's impossible to get a job as a news reader or reporter in UK broadcasting if
you have an American accent).
>
>In general the UK is well to the political left of the USA - even the Torygraph
is left wing by US standards. It's not gonna change either. The Tory party
itself has just swung very leftwards thanks to a coalition with the Liberal
Democrats. Finally, the UK is nowhere near as religious as the USA and where it
is, the dominant sect is the Anglican Church. Fundies are basically seen as
downmarket, working class and relatively poorly educated. The Torygraph,
bizarrly, thinks its readers are upmarket and well educated.
>

Nah we are far too worldly;-) I give you a Yankie accent.

> We're not the ones with the accent--you are.  ;)
>
> Of course, every time I read one of your posts, I automatically give you an
American accent. And I suppose you must automatically give me a British accent.
>
> Lenny Flank
>
> On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 10:34 AM EDT Roger wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>   Basically it sounds as though the Telegraph is a lot like Faux News(sigh),
even if the demographics in each case may be a bit different.
>>>   Anne G
>>>
>>it certainly includes some Fox News-type wingnuttery but its not as extreme.
The media faces a different culture in the UK than the USA in that broadcasting
regulation requires TV and radio to carry fair and balanced news. Moreover, the
BBC is by far the dominant broadcaster in Britain. So the public are used to
"balanced" reporting. The extremes of Fox News would look to be what they are
and would turn many off. The issue pervades into much of the print media.
>>
>>By and large, American TV programming is not popular in the UK (we produce our
own home grown rubbish) despite a common lamguage. Accent is a real problem
(it's impossible to get a job as a news reader or reporter in UK broadcasting if
you have an American accent).
>>
>>In general the UK is well to the political left of the USA - even the
Torygraph is left wing by US standards. It's not gonna change either. The Tory
party itself has just swung very leftwards thanks to a coalition with the
Liberal Democrats. Finally, the UK is nowhere near as religious as the USA and
where it is, the dominant sect is the Anglican Church. Fundies are basically
seen as downmarket, working class and relatively poorly educated. The Torygraph,
bizarrly, thinks its readers are upmarket and well educated.
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Oddly enough, here in Florida, "Yankee" means "Northener", but almost everyone
here has a Northern accent--even the TV newscasters. Florida has had an enormous
population increase over the past 20 years, and most of it came from Northerners
moving down here. So it's relatively rare to meet a multi-generation Floridian,
and virtually nobody here has a Southern accent. People in Tampa sound more like
Chicago than Atlanta.

Lenny Flank

On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 12:22 PM EDT Michael Brass wrote:

>Nah we are far too worldly;-) I give you a Yankie accent.
>
>> We're not the ones with the accent--you are.  ;)
>>
>> Of course, every time I read one of your posts, I automatically give you an
American accent. And I suppose you must automatically give me a British accent.
>>
>> Lenny Flank
>>
>> On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 10:34 AM EDT Roger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Basically it sounds as though the Telegraph is a lot like Faux
News(sigh), even if the demographics in each case may be a bit different.
>>>>   Anne G
>>>>
>>>it certainly includes some Fox News-type wingnuttery but its not as extreme.
The media faces a different culture in the UK than the USA in that broadcasting
regulation requires TV and radio to carry fair and balanced news. Moreover, the
BBC is by far the dominant broadcaster in Britain. So the public are used to
"balanced" reporting. The extremes of Fox News would look to be what they are
and would turn many off. The issue pervades into much of the print media.
>>>
>>>By and large, American TV programming is not popular in the UK (we produce
our own home grown rubbish) despite a common lamguage. Accent is a real problem
(it's impossible to get a job as a news reader or reporter in UK broadcasting if
you have an American accent).
>>>
>>>In general the UK is well to the political left of the USA - even the
Torygraph is left wing by US standards. It's not gonna change either. The Tory
party itself has just swung very leftwards thanks to a coalition with the
Liberal Democrats. Finally, the UK is nowhere near as religious as the USA and
where it is, the dominant sect is the Anglican Church. Fundies are basically
seen as downmarket, working class and relatively poorly educated. The Torygraph,
bizarrly, thinks its readers are upmarket and well educated.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>

A few years ago  I was in St. Petersburg for a fellowship at the Poynter
Institute and I commented on the "lack" of southern accents. I was told
that in Florida the further north you go, the further "south" you are.

Lenny Flank wrote:
> Oddly enough, here in Florida, "Yankee" means "Northener", but almost everyone
here has a Northern accent--even the TV newscasters. Florida has had an enormous
population increase over the past 20 years, and most of it came from Northerners
moving down here. So it's relatively rare to meet a multi-generation Floridian,
and virtually nobody here has a Southern accent. People in Tampa sound more like
Chicago than Atlanta.
>
> Lenny Flank
>
> On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 12:22 PM EDT Michael Brass wrote:
>
>
>> Nah we are far too worldly;-) I give you a Yankie accent.
>>
>>
>>> We're not the ones with the accent--you are.  ;)
>>>
>>> Of course, every time I read one of your posts, I automatically give you an
American accent. And I suppose you must automatically give me a British accent.
>>>
>>> Lenny Flank
>>>
>>> On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 10:34 AM EDT Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   Basically it sounds as though the Telegraph is a lot like Faux
News(sigh), even if the demographics in each case may be a bit different.
>>>>>   Anne G
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it certainly includes some Fox News-type wingnuttery but its not as
extreme. The media faces a different culture in the UK than the USA in that
broadcasting regulation requires TV and radio to carry fair and balanced news.
Moreover, the BBC is by far the dominant broadcaster in Britain. So the public
are used to "balanced" reporting. The extremes of Fox News would look to be what
they are and would turn many off. The issue pervades into much of the print
media.
>>>>
>>>> By and large, American TV programming is not popular in the UK (we produce
our own home grown rubbish) despite a common lamguage. Accent is a real problem
(it's impossible to get a job as a news reader or reporter in UK broadcasting if
you have an American accent).
>>>>
>>>> In general the UK is well to the political left of the USA - even the
Torygraph is left wing by US standards. It's not gonna change either. The Tory
party itself has just swung very leftwards thanks to a coalition with the
Liberal Democrats. Finally, the UK is nowhere near as religious as the USA and
where it is, the dominant sect is the Anglican Church. Fundies are basically
seen as downmarket, working class and relatively poorly educated. The Torygraph,
bizarrly, thinks its readers are upmarket and well educated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I'll stop saying Yanks if you can find me 10 000 Texans who know South
Africa is a country and not a geographical reference.

Deal? :-)

On 03/06/2010, Lenny Flank <lflank@...> wrote:
> Oddly enough, here in Florida, "Yankee" means "Northener", but almost
> everyone here has a Northern accent--even the TV newscasters. Florida has
> had an enormous population increase over the past 20 years, and most of it
> came from Northerners moving down here. So it's relatively rare to meet a
> multi-generation Floridian, and virtually nobody here has a Southern accent.
> People in Tampa sound more like Chicago than Atlanta.
>
> Lenny Flank
>
> On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 12:22 PM EDT Michael Brass wrote:
>
>>Nah we are far too worldly;-) I give you a Yankie accent.
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>>> We're not the ones with the accent--you are.  ;)
>>>
>>> Of course, every time I read one of your posts, I automatically give you
>>> an American accent. And I suppose you must automatically give me a
>>> British accent.
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>>> Lenny Flank
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>>> On Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 10:34 AM EDT Roger wrote:
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>>>>>   Basically it sounds as though the Telegraph is a lot like Faux
>>>>> News(sigh), even if the demographics in each case may be a bit
>>>>> different.
>>>>>   Anne G
>>>>>
>>>>it certainly includes some Fox News-type wingnuttery but its not as
>>>> extreme. The media faces a different culture in the UK than the USA in
>>>> that broadcasting regulation requires TV and radio to carry fair and
>>>> balanced news. Moreover, the BBC is by far the dominant broadcaster in
>>>> Britain. So the public are used to "balanced" reporting. The extremes of
>>>> Fox News would look to be what they are and would turn many off. The
>>>> issue pervades into much of the print media.
>>>>
>>>>By and large, American TV programming is not popular in the UK (we
>>>> produce our own home grown rubbish) despite a common lamguage. Accent is
>>>> a real problem (it's impossible to get a job as a news reader or
>>>> reporter in UK broadcasting if you have an American accent).
>>>>
>>>>In general the UK is well to the political left of the USA - even the
>>>> Torygraph is left wing by US standards. It's not gonna change either.
>>>> The Tory party itself has just swung very leftwards thanks to a
>>>> coalition with the Liberal Democrats. Finally, the UK is nowhere near as
>>>> religious as the USA and where it is, the dominant sect is the Anglican
>>>> Church. Fundies are basically seen as downmarket, working class and
>>>> relatively poorly educated. The Torygraph, bizarrly, thinks its readers
>>>> are upmarket and well educated.
>>>>
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