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#263 From: Ed Segal <edsegal@...>
Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:31 pm
Subject: the Bob Lee offer
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Mr. Bob Lee, Please send Pouch and Packet info. with prices, if the scrap books
are still for sale. Thanks, Ed Segal

#262 From: "bobdlee84" <bobdlee84@...>
Date: Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: just a howdy all
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Things are going great over here. We have spring fever here in Oklahoma City.

I have lots of DRSB issues I'm looking to sell, if anyone knows of any takers.

-Bob

--- In DRSB@yahoogroups.com, "Anne" <cactus.pearl@...> wrote:
>
> have not heard from anyone since october Just wondering how everyone
> else is doing.  weather round coachella is barely starting to get warm
> and windy.  otherwise nothing new is going on.
>

#261 From: "dogstar23523" <dogstar23523@...>
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 8:34 pm
Subject: Packet 1 of Pouch 6
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Hi...I'm an old desert rat from the Wah-Wahs of Western Utah. I found
Packet 1 of Pouch 6 the other day and need money for my next
rockhounding trip. Drop me an email and what it's worth to you. Thanks.

#260 From: "ssgtedusmc" <ssgtedusmc@...>
Date: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: DRSB's for sale
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Hello all, I acquired eleven DRSB's in a bunch of books a couple of days ago. I
have the following issues for sale at $5.00 each plus postage. Pouch 1, Packets
1, 3 & 4; Pouch 2, Packets 1, 2, & 4; Pouch 3, Packets 1, 2, & 4; Pouch 7,
Packets 1 & 2. All of these issues are in excellent condition. Images and
ordering information can be found here
http://www.geocities.com/ssgtedusmc/drsb.html Ed

#259 From: "sbean718@..." <sbean718@...>
Date: Wed Mar 4, 2009 7:04 pm
Subject: Kachina Chess Sets
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I understand that Harry Oliver created (carved?) a chess set composed of Kachina
Dolls, probably in the Route 66 style - And that a picture and article of this
set was published in Life Magazine - Not sure of the year - Does any one have
any info on this?

Thanks,

Steve

#258 From: Ed Segal <edsegal@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re:new desert stories website
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Brown
Sent: Oct 20, 2008 9:16 AM
To: DRSB@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DRSB] Re:new desert stories website

Howdy all,
This website is out of Utah, and the editor is origingally from Twentynine Palms, not Thousand Palms.   If you're interested in a real desert magazine, you can always check out The Sun Runner, which began in Twentynine Palms back in 1995, and has gone regional throughout the California deserts.  We're now based in Joshua Tree, reaching more than 30,000 readers with each print edition, and we continue to grow.
We're always looking for contributors and news from the California deserts, and you can find the print edition distributed from El Centro to Death Valley, Ridgecrest to Borrego Springs - and all points in between.
I've currently got my ad reps looking for sponsors to support a Desert Treasures section in each issue.  That section will feature one of the real legends of the California deserts, and Harry is on our list.  I've got a small collection of Desert Rat Scrapbooks and I keep looking for more.
At some point, we're going to be launching an expedition to search for the lost ship of the desert, but the question remains - which one?
thanks,
Steve

* Steve is Publisher/Executive Editor of The Sun Runner, The Magazine of California Desert Life & Culture, now located at 61855 29 Palms Hwy., Joshua Tree, CA 92252, (760)366-2700 (as of July 1).
As the infamous "Shanghai Brown," he is captain of the pirate jam band, There Be Pirates!, and is the drummer for Shawn Mafia & the Ten Cent Thrills.
* Listen to The Sun Runner A&E calendar on KX96 FM, 8:30 Friday mornings in the hi-desert!
* www.thesunrunner.com
* www.myspace.com/shanghaibrown
* www.myspace.com/therebepirates
* www.shawnmafia.com
* Soon - www.therebepirates.net!


#257 From: "Anne" <cactus.pearl@...>
Date: Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 am
Subject: just a howdy all
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have not heard from anyone since october Just wondering how everyone
else is doing.  weather round coachella is barely starting to get warm
and windy.  otherwise nothing new is going on.

#256 From: "Anne" <cactus.pearl@...>
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:22 am
Subject: Re:new desert stories website --The Sun Runner
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thanks Steve I'll go look for a copy tomorrow morning.

#255 From: Steve Brown <cadeserteditor@...>
Date: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:16 pm
Subject: Re:new desert stories website
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Howdy all,
This website is out of Utah, and the editor is origingally from Twentynine Palms, not Thousand Palms.   If you're interested in a real desert magazine, you can always check out The Sun Runner, which began in Twentynine Palms back in 1995, and has gone regional throughout the California deserts.  We're now based in Joshua Tree, reaching more than 30,000 readers with each print edition, and we continue to grow.
We're always looking for contributors and news from the California deserts, and you can find the print edition distributed from El Centro to Death Valley, Ridgecrest to Borrego Springs - and all points in between.
I've currently got my ad reps looking for sponsors to support a Desert Treasures section in each issue.  That section will feature one of the real legends of the California deserts, and Harry is on our list.  I've got a small collection of Desert Rat Scrapbooks and I keep looking for more.
At some point, we're going to be launching an expedition to search for the lost ship of the desert, but the question remains - which one?
thanks,
Steve

* Steve is Publisher/Executive Editor of The Sun Runner, The Magazine of California Desert Life & Culture, now located at 61855 29 Palms Hwy., Joshua Tree, CA 92252, (760)366-2700 (as of July 1).
As the infamous "Shanghai Brown," he is captain of the pirate jam band, There Be Pirates!, and is the drummer for Shawn Mafia & the Ten Cent Thrills.
* Listen to The Sun Runner A&E calendar on KX96 FM, 8:30 Friday mornings in the hi-desert!
* www.thesunrunner.com
* www.myspace.com/shanghaibrown
* www.myspace.com/therebepirates
* www.shawnmafia.com
* Soon - www.therebepirates.net!

#254 From: "Anne" <cactus.pearl@...>
Date: Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:47 pm
Subject: new desert stories website
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http://www.desertrambler.com/index.html
this website sort of is like the 2008 version of the desert magazine
and hey the editor like Our Harry O.  is from thousand palms

I found them because they printed a story on "you guessed it" the ship
of the desert.

#253 From: "Anne" <cactus.pearl@...>
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2008 7:28 am
Subject: Just checking in
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Say hey Ric  hows the traveling going. You have not posted anything
recently.    Say hey to everyone else too. are you all still out
there?

heres another lost ship in the desert story find.  the link leads to a
radio program from 1962.

http://www.escape-suspense.com/files/
suspense_1962.08.26_The%20Lost%20Ship.mp3


http://www.escape-suspense.com/urban_legends/

#252 From: Marc Wanamaker <bisonarchives@...>
Date: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Scenic Grandeur of the West picture set
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Hi Ric, I paid all my taxes and other expenses, now I am waiting for more funds to come shortly so I can take care of the $300 I promised to pay for the collection. Could you please send me a mailing address so when the time comes I will be ready. Thanks again,         Marc Wanamaker

Ric Carter <ric@...> wrote:
Hi Linda:

I have no idea of the value of the set, except that it's precisely
what someone is willing to pay for it. I think I paid a buck at a
yard sale back in the 1980s. Yes, I'd love to have a photo of the
missing picture, to add to the DRSB website. I'm currently driving
slowly across Mexico and will return stateside in time to vote in
November. If you email me a scan, I'll try to post it before then; or
snailmail me a hardcopy and I'll get to it after I return. I'm
(occasionally) at PO Box 1161, Pioneer CA 95666 USA.

Thanks,
Ric Carter

----- Original Message -----
From: "linda.crocco" <linda.crocco@yahoo.com>
To: <DRSB@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:10 AM
Subject: [DRSB] Scenic Grandeur of the West picture set

> I noticed on your site that you have an incomplete set of "Scenic
Grandeur of the West" pictures from 1943. My husband and I purchased
a
complete 16 picture set at a yard sale today for $1. The set is in
excellent condition - still in it's original folder and mailing
envelope. It had been stored in a very old trunk in someone's home for
years.
>
> Do you know what the complete set may be worth? Would you like me
> to
send you a photo of the picture your set is missing?
>
> Thanks,
> Linda C.



#251 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 3:38 pm
Subject: Mexico
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Hola Kimba!

Portions of Mexico, like the Yucatan lowlands, are ALWAYS hot and
humid.  Other parts, like various highlands, are usually cool and
often dry.  We hate both swamp-like humidity and vaporizing heat,
thus we prefer the highlands, both east and west and central and
south.  (High Chiapas is always great.)

Also keep in mind that seasons in much of Mexico don't break down
into summer-vs-winter, but wet-vs-dry, and the wet season is usually
June through August.  August is deep winter in Cuernavaca, the old
temperate refuge for Mexico City denizens.  Our mid-latitude seasonal
assumptions just don't work as we drop into the tropics.

That said, it's pretty warm outside as we zip down the east shore
of the Sea of Cortez (Gulf of California).  We'll be high and dry in
Guanajuato and Zacatecas soon, and we'll likely get damp and warm in
Michoacán after that.  I still intend to hunt down the site of the
film sets Harry Oliver designed for VIVA VILLA! around Chihuahua
city, but that will wait till October.  Hot?  Aye Chihuahua!!

Hasta luego,
  --Rico

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [DRSB] Re: Fw: Harry Oliver's DRSB

> Ric,
>
> Sounds lovely!  I thought Mexico was hot and humid during the
> summer!  I can do hot, not the humid! LOL
>
> Adios,
>
> Kim

#250 From: Kimba4JC@...
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 10:20 am
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Harry Oliver's DRSB
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Ric,
 
Sounds lovely!  I thought Mexico was hot and humid during the summer!  I can do hot, not the humid! LOL
 
Adios,
 
Kim




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#249 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 7:31 am
Subject: Re: Scenic Grandeur of the West picture set
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Hi Linda:

I have no idea of the value of the set, except that it's precisely
what someone is willing to pay for it.  I think I paid a buck at a
yard sale back in the 1980s.  Yes, I'd love to have a photo of the
missing picture, to add to the DRSB website.  I'm currently driving
slowly across Mexico and will return stateside in time to vote in
November.  If you email me a scan, I'll try to post it before then; or
snailmail me a hardcopy and I'll get to it after I return.  I'm
(occasionally) at PO Box 1161, Pioneer CA 95666 USA.

Thanks,
  Ric Carter

----- Original Message -----
From: "linda.crocco" <linda.crocco@...>
To: <DRSB@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:10 AM
Subject: [DRSB] Scenic Grandeur of the West picture set

> I noticed on your site that you have an incomplete set of "Scenic
Grandeur of the West" pictures from 1943.  My husband and I purchased
a
complete 16 picture set at a yard sale today for $1.   The set is in
excellent condition - still in it's original folder and mailing
envelope. It had been stored in a very old trunk in someone's home for
years.
>
> Do you know what the complete set may be worth?  Would you like me
> to
send you a photo of the picture your set is missing?
>
> Thanks,
> Linda C.

#248 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 7:17 am
Subject: Re: Fw: Harry Oliver's DRSB
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Hi Ron:

Greetings from Los Mochis, Sinaloa, Mexico!  Sorry about the delay in
answering -- I'm slowly driving across Mexico and only rarely hitting
net connections, especially when crawling across the Sierra
Tarahumara.  Parts of the Chihuahua-Hermosillo highway in Sonora are
*much* more scenic than views from the train ride through Barrancas
del Cobre (Copper Canyon).

I'm no expert on evaluating DRSBs, singly or "en masse", but I *can*
tell you what I've paid recently.  Issues (packets) from the first two
volumes (pouches) have cost me US$20-25; later issues have cost me
US$10-15 each, except for a packet from pouch 4 which I bought for
US$20 because I was anxious to complete my collection.  I've paid
US$35 for a DESERT ROUGH CUTS and US$25 for THE OLD MIRAGE SALESMAN in
recent years.

These are what I paid individuals for copies.  Commercial dealers
selling on eBay or AbeBooks often ask twice or thrice as much, or
more.  Whether they succeed at obtaining those prices, I don't know --
yes, possibly, to buyers desperate to complete their collections.

The basic rule of capitalism is that something is worth precisely what
someone is willing to pay for it.  I suspect that a complete run of
DRSBs, plus other Harry Oliver publications, might have greater value
than your incomplete set -- greater value to somebody who really wants
them, that is.  I can't say if you'd do better to try to sell your set
as a whole, or to break it up and auction individual issues, or to
make a "charitable donation" to an appropriate library (giving them a
high-end valuation) and taking a tax break.

Perhaps some reader(s) in the DRSB group may have further ideas about
the best way you can dispose of your literary "treasure trove".  Me,
I'll be busy with other things: soaking my surgically-repaired knee in
warm ocean water at Mazatlan, evaluating mescal at distilleries in
Jalisco and Oaxaca, communing with mummies in Guanajuato, and poking
into old silver mines around San Luis Potosi.  Much else may happen
before I return stateside in November.  Good luck.

--Rico


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Jefferies" <sparkydog99@...>
To: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Harry Oliver's DRSB

> Being that Im not  a collector what who this collection be valued
> at? I appreceiate any help. Thanks
>
>
> Ric Carter <ric@...> wrote:  Gentle Readers:
>
> Here's yet another relevant message I received a few days ago.
> Someone of you looking to boost your collection of Oliveriana might
> wish to contact Ron Jefferies rather soon. This sort of archive of
> early issues is not likely to be readily available again.
>
> --Ric Carter,
> packing for Mexico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Jefferies"
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:29 PM
> Subject: Harry Oliver's DRSB
>
> I have found a colloction of the drsb that are in good to very good
> condition. They were part of my wife's grandmothers . I have had
> these in my garage since about 1975 and never really looked at them.
> This collection were originally mailed to a Ruth Shuffleton
> Pearblossom Ca. Heres what I have , pouches 1 through 8 all four in
> each pouuch. pouch 9, 2,3,4. pouch 10 2,4. I also have Desert Rough
> Cuts and a aotographed edition of "The Old Mirage Salesman" signed
> "To
> Ruth , From Harry Oliver Randsburg" dated Sept 5th 1953.
>
> there are a few old newspaper articles , some about Harry and some
> about other liars . example Pagent Telling Death Valley Story
> Proposed. 6/08/1948. Most of the article are aged and yellow and do
> not have dates on them. I wlll be willing to part with the entire
> collection as a whole to someone who would enjoy his works. if
> anyone
> is interested please let me know. Thank you

#247 From: "linda.crocco" <linda.crocco@...>
Date: Sat May 24, 2008 4:10 pm
Subject: Scenic Grandeur of the West picture set
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Hi,
I noticed on your site that you have an incomplete set of "Scenic
Grandeur of the West" pictures from 1943.  My husband and I purchased a
complete 16 picture set at a yard sale today for $1.   The set is in
excellent condition - still in it's original folder and mailing
envelope. It had been stored in a very old trunk in someone's home for
years.

Do you know what the complete set may be worth?  Would you like me to
send you a photo of the picture your set is missing?


Thanks,
Linda C.

#246 From: Kimba4JC@...
Date: Tue May 13, 2008 10:30 am
Subject: Re: Fw: Note from Lincoln Powers, (DRSB).
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Thank you for posting the letter from Lincoln Powers!  It was insightful as I'd always wondered what happened to DSRB after Harry's passing.
 
Did Lincoln join our group? 
 
One question that no one has answered for me and I still wonder is what happened to Whiskers?  I know he was killed, but I've often wondered if they found out who did it? 
 
Thanks again,
Kim




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#245 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Tue May 13, 2008 1:21 am
Subject: Fw: Note from Lincoln Powers, (DRSB).
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As promised, here is Lincoln's account of 'reviving' the DRSB.  --Ric

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:23 PM

Hi Ric,

I didn't know there was a DRSB group.  Where have I been?

I remember when my dad purchased the whole DRSB empire from Harry.  I
was only 4-5 years old at the time. I had my picture taken with Harry
for a local newspaper at that time, with the caption reading something
to the effect "potential future publisher".  Harry was always very
nice to me, and I remember him well.  Back at that time, my dad and
mom were going through a divorce, so my dad lived at the fort with
Harry.   I would spend week-ends with both Harry and my dad, and it
was like camping out every week-end.  Great place for young boy to run
and play.  Harry always had an old coin he would give me, after
pulling it out of my ear, or having it materialize out of thin air.
It made an impression on me because I remember him vividly to this
day.

My father passed away in 1984 of a kidney illness.  He had been on
dialysis for 3 years before his passing.  After taking over the paper
from Harry completely, he would travel across the great Southwest and
sell to specific outlets, and attempt to find new ones.  When he would
come back from his travels, he would be bedridden for weeks.  He
didn't know it at that time, but his kidneys were failing him.  There
was blood in his urine, passing of kidney stones, etc.  After his 2nd
trip across the Southwest, he was hospitalized.  The travels were just
too much for his kidneys and he was forced to give up the venture.

He had offers from prospective buyers for the Scrap Book, but he had
always hoped to pick up the venture again, or have me have an interest
in it.  When I was between the ages of 8-12, I would ask my dad for 15
to 20 Desert Rat Scrap Books, and I would head out door knocking.  I
was always able to sell enough Scrap Books at .25 cents each, to allow
me to do what-ever I needed the funds for.  This was always a great
way for me to make money as a child.

When I was in my young 20's, I started thinking about starting up the
paper again.  My dad and I got together quite a few times before his
passing, to go over all of the details in publishing the paper.  I was
preparing to start right at where my dad left off; Packet 3 of Pouch
12 was to be my first print. During my apprenticeship with my dad, he
passed away.  This was in December of 1984.  I started going to many
of the places Harry and dad sold to, and search out those whom
remembered Harry Oliver and his Scrap Book.  90% of the old timers I
found were very encouraging and excited about me doing this project,
but they convinced me to simply re-print Harry's work.  Since I had 46
issues of material, I decided to move forward with re-printing.  This
was back in 1985-86.

I printed 5000 copies of the first issue and headed out on the
streets.  I went to ghost towns, touristy areas, mom & pop stores, and
anywhere I thought might sell them.  I was actually pretty successful
at getting the Scrap Books sold to the store owners, but the paper
didn't sell well to the public.  Now, Harry was a unique person with a
lot of showmanship.  I didn't and don't have that quality in my
personality and I didn't have the notoriety that Harry had.  By this
time, very few people knew of Harry Oliver, and the Scrap Book just
didn't sell.  Harry and My dad would always replace whatever wasn't
sold of 1 issue with the next issue.  As I mentioned, I was successful
at selling to the store owners, but I found that I was replacing many
unsold issues with the next issue.  (That is one reason I have so many
re-prints available).  After attempting this for 1 year, I couldn't
afford the gas and time away from work to continue.  My wife and I
would travel light, stay in camp sites to conserve funds, etc., but it
just didn't become self supportive and I had to move on.

I will never regret my attempt at the resurrection of Harry Oliver's
Desert Rat Scrap Book.  I think Harry Oliver was an amazing individual
and it is shameful that more people don't know of him.  There is a Gas
station sitting where Fort Oliver once stood.  They tore down the fort
many years ago.  I learned quite a bit in my attempt to resurrect the
Scrap Book, and I believe it has helped me become succesful in my
current vocation of Real Estate.  I headed out on the street armed
with boxes of Scrap Books at the age of 24-25.  I came up with my own
sales pitch, and went up to store owners and managers asking for a
minute of their time.  With no prior sales experiance, I would always
sell every book I had.  They just didn't sell from there.

My wife and I started a family in 1989 with a daughter, and my son
followed in 1991.  Both were born at the Palm Springs hospital.  We
moved away from the Coachella Valley in 1993 and currently reside in
St. George, Utah.

There you go Ric.  Hope that didn't bore you too much, but I told you
it was a long story, and that was actually the short version.  I had
read about my dad returning to the sea, but I knew better.  He did
love the sea but he loved the serenity of the desert as well.  My dad
admired Harry Oliver immensely, and always spoke very highly of him.
If I can answer any other questions, please let me know.  Your more
than welcome to post this or forward along to your readers.  Just warn
them that the spell check on my e-mail is too complicated for me to
operate.

I appreciate your interest.

Lincoln Powers

#244 From: lizardhaven@...
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: Fort Oliver
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you might try downloading satellite photos for the area.  i have
downloaded them for an area in death valley where i saw old walls, and
the resolution lets me see the walls in the photo. even when part of an
area has been paved, satellite photos often show outlines that are nto
apparant from the ground.   i get the best results from MS terraserver.
usually you can print what you get to online without subscribing.

Patricia Weissleader at Lizardhaven Ranch
"Where the Critter Meets the Glitter"

#243 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: Harry Oliver
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Hi Marc:

Such timing!  I leave for Maya territory in two days and will return
stateside by November.  If you want to post any H.O. materials, just
go ahead, or email them to me for editing.  I'm sure I'll find some
free days of laying around some hacienda or posada, between bouts of
shooting and editing digital photos, sampling local delicacies (oh
boy, more roasted Yucatan swamp creatures!) and shopping for a new
handmade guitar and hammock.  And no, I haven't heard from Shari.

Hasta luego,
  el Rico viejo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Wanamaker" <bisonarchives@...>
To: <DRSB@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [DRSB] Harry Oliver


> Ric, any news about your communication with Shari. I have been busy
> with many deadlines and noticed that this communication was LAST
> YEAR!! Where did that year go? No urgency, just keeping in touch.
> Regards, Marc Wanamaker
>
> Ric Carter <ric@...> wrote:          Hi Marc:
>
> I just now emailed Harry's great-granddaughter Shari, relaying your
> query. And now I must keep a lapsed promise, and edit and post a few
> of her memories of her ancestor. I should be able to do this in
> couple days.
>
> Timing is so wonderful. Shari first emailed me last year just two
> days before I left on a five-month drive to Central America and
> back -
> not much time for research and correspondence. And now I'm about to
> go tenting across the Wild West for the summer, with occasional
> (maybe
> weekly?) stops at WiFi hotspots. Leave in a couple weeks, be back by
> October. So my response time to emails and postings will be rather
> degraded. Bother.
>
> --Ric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Wanamaker" <bisonarchives@...>
>
>> Ok Ric, Have Harry Oliver's daughters ever surfaced yet? As I said
>> before I lost touch with them. They were living in Arizona and
>> moved
>> to Nevada where I lost touch. They said the garage was filled with
>> Harry Oliver stuff, stuff I still do not know what exactly. I tried
>> to ask them, but they were ignorant of what was there. I am hoping
>> they kept the material and did not throw it out. I am finishing up
>> other projects this month and next, but after that I will start
>> posting material with you Ric and you can edit it and post it with
>> my blessings. My contact information is:
>>
>> Marc Wanamaker
>> Bison Archives
>> 650 N. Bronson Avenue B112
>> LA/Hollywood, CA 90004
>> bisonarchives@...

#242 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 3:22 pm
Subject: Fw: Harry Oliver's DRSB
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Gentle Readers:

Here's yet another relevant message I received a few days ago.
Someone of you looking to boost your collection of Oliveriana might
wish to contact Ron Jefferies rather soon.  This sort of archive of
early issues is not likely to be readily available again.

--Ric Carter,
packing for Mexico


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Jefferies" <sparkydog99@...>
To: <drsb@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:29 PM
Subject: Harry Oliver's DRSB

I have found a colloction of the drsb that are in good to very good
condition. They were  part of my wife's grandmothers .  I have had
these in my garage since about 1975 and never  really looked at them.
This collection were originally mailed to a Ruth Shuffleton
Pearblossom Ca. Heres what I have , pouches 1 through 8 all four in
each pouuch. pouch 9, 2,3,4. pouch 10 2,4. I also have Desert Rough
Cuts and a aotographed edition of "The Old Mirage Salesman" signed "To
Ruth , From Harry Oliver Randsburg" dated Sept 5th 1953.

there are a few old newspaper articles , some about Harry and some
about other liars . example Pagent Telling Death Valley Story
Proposed. 6/08/1948. Most of the article are aged and yellow and do
not have dates on them. I wlll be willing to part with the entire
collection as a whole to someone who would enjoy his works. if anyone
is interested please let me know. Thank you

#241 From: "Steve Lech" <rivcokid@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: Fort Oliver
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If you go to www.historicaerials.com, you can look at the site (and
many others) via old aerial photographs.  I haven't tried Fort Oliver,
but I know that in many parts of Riverside (where I am) one can look
at the 1948, 1967, and 2005 aerials to see changes etc.

Enjoy !!

--- In DRSB@yahoogroups.com, Kimba4JC@... wrote:

  What was the address there?  We could Google Earth and get an  idea!

#240 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 3:10 pm
Subject: Attempted resurrection of DRSB?
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Gentle Readers:

On pages 188-190 of Betty Stohler's quirky biography, A KISS FOR THE
DESERT FOR HARRY OLIVER, following a reference to events in 1965(?),
we find clues to the final disposition of the DRSB empire:

"Two years later, Bill Powers a merchant marine took over the Desert
Rat Scrap Book, and became the caretaker of Fort Oliver so that Harry
could enter a home for retired film artists in Woodland Hills...
After eighteen months of living in the fort as soul [sic] owner of the
Scrap Book, Bill gave it up, and moved away.  Its believe [sic] he
returned to the sea."

I (Ric Carter) am about to leave for yet another 5+ month drive across
Mexico and Central America.  Naturally, the DRSB emails start flowing
in just before each journey.  Two years ago, it was mailings from
Harry's great-granddaughter (whom I have not heard from since).  This
year, it's the following email.  (Note: My personal DRSB collection is
now complete and includes a reprint as mentioned below.)  Are any of
us interested in reading the story of the attempted DRSB resurrection?


----- Original Message -----
From: <lpowers@...>
To: <drsb@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:25 PM

Dear sir,

My name is Lincoln Powers.  My dad purchased the DRSB from Harry
Oliver but it was a kidney illness that caused my dad to stop the
project.  I tried to resurrect the paper and re-printed the first 4
that Harry ran.  Long story..... I will explain fully if interested.

I have many of the reprints and some originals.  Any interest in
buying some of these?  Let me know.  I have one of every issue but I
am only willing to let go of the ones I have multiple copies of.

Thanks,

Lincoln Powers
St. George, Utah

#239 From: Kimba4JC@...
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 2:08 am
Subject: Re: Fort Oliver
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What was the address there?  We could Google Earth and get an idea!




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#238 From: "Ric Carter" <ric@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 1:27 am
Subject: Re: Fort Oliver
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Hi L.A.

AFAIK (As Far As I Know) the entirety of Old Fort Oliver is gone, the
site having been paved over long ago for a gas station / minimart.
But I'm located far away and haven't seen OFO for about 45 years.
Does anyone closer have more detailed (and up-to-date) information?

--Ric

----- Original Message -----
From: "L. A, Tracia" <latracia13@...>

Is there any vestige of the old fort left as far as anyone knows? I
live about a mile from it's location. This morning I walked around
that area looking for some indication of it but could find nothing at
all. The wind whips the sands back and forth for sure but I expected
to find some slight clue.

#237 From: "L. A, Tracia" <latracia13@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 9:29 pm
Subject: Fort Oliver
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Is there any vestige of the old fort left as far as anyone knows? I
live about a mile from it's location. This morning I walked around
that area looking for some indication of it but could find nothing at
all. The wind whips the sands back and forth for sure but I expected
to find some slight clue.

#236 From: Marc Wanamaker <bisonarchives@...>
Date: Sat May 3, 2008 12:06 am
Subject: Re: Harry Oliver
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Ric, any news about your communication with Shari. I have been busy with many deadlines and noticed that this communication was LAST YEAR!! Where did that year go? No urgency, just keeping in touch. Regards, Marc Wanamaker

Ric Carter <ric@...> wrote:
Hi Marc:

I just now emailed Harry's great-granddaughter Shari, relaying your
query. And now I must keep a lapsed promise, and edit and post a few
of her memories of her ancestor. I should be able to do this in
couple days.

Timing is so wonderful. Shari first emailed me last year just two
days before I left on a five-month drive to Central America and back -
not much time for research and correspondence. And now I'm about to
go tenting across the Wild West for the summer, with occasional (maybe
weekly?) stops at WiFi hotspots. Leave in a couple weeks, be back by
October. So my response time to emails and postings will be rather
degraded. Bother.

--Ric

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Wanamaker" <bisonarchives@yahoo.com>

> Ok Ric, Have Harry Oliver's daughters ever surfaced yet? As I said
> before I lost touch with them. They were living in Arizona and moved
> to Nevada where I lost touch. They said the garage was filled with
> Harry Oliver stuff, stuff I still do not know what exactly. I tried
> to ask them, but they were ignorant of what was there. I am hoping
> they kept the material and did not throw it out. I am finishing up
> other projects this month and next, but after that I will start
> posting material with you Ric and you can edit it and post it with
> my blessings. My contact information is:
>
> Marc Wanamaker
> Bison Archives
> 650 N. Bronson Avenue B112
> LA/Hollywood, CA 90004
> bisonarchives@yahoo.com



#235 From: Theo Paijmans <th.paijmans@...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:03 pm
Subject: Re: lost ships of the desert
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Hi all,

In July of this year I asked for clippings of the original 1870's
newspaper articles concerning the Lost Ship or Ships of the Desert.
Since then I did some research and I am happy to say that I located a
dozen of newspaper articles published between 1870 and 1889 on this
subject, from various newspapers.

Kind regards,

Theo

#234 From: "James Lingren" <jlingren@...>
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:18 am
Subject: RE: New Publication Venue
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Steve, in the Course of your research, if ya find a photo of the first station in Daggett, (the one that would have been on the North side of the RR Track -- it was provably a typical South Pacific small station -ATSF had not yet acquired the Mojave to Needles route.
Not the  one build in 1905ish that burnt.
Where the original station was there are a bunch of athol trees, just south of the old Stone Hotel.
There is Small photo show where the twenty mule teams unloaded back in the 1880, show a blurred station in the background.
I'm locking for a bigger, more detail photo.
Thanks
Interested in the Daggett 1884 lynching?
Ellen White, Founder of the 7th Day Adventist church showed up a couple of days after the lynching and chewed those old miners and prospectors a new one.
Never was another lynching after that, even after that Afro American murdered a Deputy Sheriff
I was given this info as a wee lad in the 1950's after I retired, I confirmed everything was true_Mostly ;^)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Lech
Sent: 5/17/2007 4:46:39 PM
Subject: [DRSB] New Publication Venue

Just for the record - I've started a journal of the history of
Riverside and San Bernardino counties, if anyone is interested. I
accept any and all articles pertaining to the history of the two-county
area, so if someone had something on Harry (I'm going to do a small
piece on his secession movement), please by all means submit to me.

And I'd also be more than happy to participate in a Palm Springs area
event!!

Steve Lech
Researcher of the History of Riverside County, California
Author of Along the Old Roads - A History of the Portion of Southern
California That Became Riverside County, 1772-1893
Riverside in Vintage Postcards - Resorts of Riverside County -
Riverside's Mission Inn (Arcadia Publications)
Editor, The Inland Chronicler (A Journal of the History of Riverside
and San Bernardino Counties)
http://home.earthlink.net/~rivcokid


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