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Re: [DILA] Re: Killer Languages

I've been a member of this forum for almost a year (or more?) now and I find it funny that whenever I visit the site to see what they're talking about, it's still the same old thing I was reading back then.

In short, no development.

I'd rather spend my time reading the MLE stuff being emailed to be officially by the MLE-promoting people.

JASON

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, jaime jesus borlagdan <waterpatterns@...> wrote:

From: jaime jesus borlagdan <waterpatterns@...>
Subject: Re: [DILA] Re: Killer Languages
To: DILA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 6 October, 2009, 9:38 AM

 





 

I've been there Jaime, that's why I've lessened posting in this group. Some views are distorted, especially by some people here whose only weapon against this language threat is their hatred, which they love over-displaying, because, well, that's all they have.

Strip off their hatred, and they're nothing but random Internet users surfing this part of cyberspace.

JASON

Jason,
There's definitely no need of a fertile imagination of what a person like that would be capable of doing given a little power...

But I wonder what they are going to do to the Tagalogs should they win. What they are going to do to this conceptual nation, as they claim, should they win. And what would be the end of their triumph? Where would they stop? 

It's easy to shoot the ones on top, and it seems this has become the favorite past time of this forum.. I guess whether we are radicals or moderates we share one thing: to save our languages from extinction. Shouldn't that concern have the biggest slice in our discussions? 

Let's talk about development, about reconstruction- - about the MLE for example, what are updates on that?-- instead of talking about killing a language or being anti. We know that already. Tama na.

And that's not Tagalog.

Borlagdan

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, jaime jesus borlagdan <waterpatterns@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: jaime jesus borlagdan <waterpatterns@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DILA] Re: Killer Languages
To: DILA@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 6 October, 2009, 9:03 AM

 

Ive made up and revealed my mind to you  a couple of times but again here goes: 

to hate Tagalog is to hate the concept of language.

we must not blame the Tagalog language for the errors of its speakers, specifically those who had pushed  the said language as the National Language.

I cant believe what you said about DILA being anti-Tagalog. Unless you and your Tagalog language -hatred mr benjie embodies this group I don't want to be associated with it.

I thought it was clear that we are to defend non-tagalog languages from dying, courtesy of the law-backed tagalog language. 

But to hate a language? That's the mistake of the tagalistas. The promoters of Tagalog are our enemies but not Tagalog itself. It just so happens that tagalog is the language of our enemies, but Tagalog shouldn't be our enemy. We musn't promote hatred for a language. 

And I believe you are blinded sir, by your hatred which you mistakenly claim as strong-will, in fact I am now beginning to see the lameness of replying to your posts because i doubt if you ever read them. 

Borlagdan


Make up your mind, is Tagalog in the process of killing your language or are you the one committing suicide? The reason why Tagalog is able to push us around is because most still fail to realize what Tagalog as the national language is doing. One might be aware of the language declining but equivocate due to miscomprehension or to divided loyalty. Not DILA for we have made up our minds to be defenders of the non-Tagalog.

I appreciate the comment that I am being too strong-handed because it goes without saying that I have therefore not been weak-willed in confronting the Tagalog threat. We no longer have qualms about being called anti-Tagalog, we in DILA describe Philippine society as Tagalog ethnocracy because that is what it is. What needed to be done for DILA to be consistent and to maintain clarity was done and if I am to pick our most important rule, it is not to allow Tagalog to kill us.




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I second the motion. ... From: Jason Paul Laxamana <sisig_man@...> Subject: Re: [DILA] Re: Killer Languages To: DILA@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 6...
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It will be the same stuff again and again until triumph is achieved. Once achieved, there will be no more need to talk about the same subject. In the meantime,...
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Actually, to discuss the same topic over and over is tiring. We need new ideas and updates. I don't get the analogy of the holed can. Won't it be "it would...
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I get the analogy loud and clear. Why dont we take your suggestion instead. Lets plug the holes with oxy perm made in China. It will make your chinese...
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... DILA is not scared to be accused of being anti-Tagalog. That does not make us anti-Tagalog per se. Jaime's honesty is appreciated and so is his identifying...
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calling Filipino, Tagalog is their pleasure. my own humble way of promoting my language: -bikol wikipedia -penetrating the world of filipino -writing bikol...
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my point exactly, whether we agree or not. ANY CONCRETE PLAN, RESOLUTION? what have WE, DILA, achieved so far? you cannot to streets, bring placards which...
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Your question presupposes that DILA hasn't accomplished anything. For your information, it was members of this group who helped made the Waray Wikipedia...
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well. it took only (me with the help of stepfung then) 4 months before bcl got its approval. i was writing my thesis then while translating the interface, and...
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Finay you seem to still be dazed and confused. You subscribed here because you thought it would help you finish your Filipino thesis regarding Tagalog...
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so what if it took you 4 months? it took 3 months for the Waray wikipedia (proposed in june 2005 approved september 2005). it took about 14 days for the...
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What about talking to the presidentiables and those who would be running for a seat in the legislature? I think it's feasible and reasonable. What do you...
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Caloy, Talking with the presidentiables would be a good idea--gauging their position on this issue would help those of us in the homeland decide which ones to...
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What about talking to the presidentiables and those who would be running for a seat in the legislature? I think it's feasible and reasonable. What do you...
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