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Ja bych kazdopadne sla!
A fotky mych take rada!
Helga

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Of ©árka Rubková

  Je v úterý Bizon? Mohla bych přinést foto ze své poslení cesty do Afriky,
pokud byste měli zájem

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Zatim to vypada, ze tentokrat stiham. Pokud bude chut a sila, muzu
prispet fotkama z Albanie.
Marti

Helga Listen napsal(a):
> Ja bych kazdopadne sla!
> A fotky mych take rada!
> Helga
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Já bych také s dovolením chtela prijit, ale nevím, jestli se mi podari, snad
ano.
Alena
PS: nejak mi ten odkaz nefunguje, i kdyz ho slepim z obou radku, na ktere se
rozdelil.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: [Czechlist] RE:Bizon


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Better late than never.

I just ran into this discussion and (six years too late) felt an
irresistible need to respond.

First, Czech Rezervy are English Provisions.

Translating it as reserves is simply wrong and anyone who claims
otherwise has little or no accounting knowledge.

Second, the web page in question www.gaap.cz has been up and running
since 1999, and has become the place to discuss US GAAP and IFRS in
the Czech language.

Finally, since we're on the subject, Czech Fondy ze zisky are English
Reserves (or properly Appropriated Retained Earnings).

Czech Opravné položky are English Allowances.

Since there is no exact equivalent for English Funds (or properly,
Restricted Assets) in the Czech language, this term cannot be
translated, but must be explained.

P.S. As to the Longman dictionary, as with most things from this
publisher, it's simply a waste of trees.

Mladek


--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Tomás Skront <skront@...> wrote:
>
> As always, several contradictory sources may be referred to. With
respect to
> Mr Mladek, I do no consider "reserves" as erroneuos translation of
> "rezervy". He points out that "it makes it appear that this is an equity
> item whereas, in fact, it is a liability", but "provisions" does not
seem to
> solve the problem (or does it?).
>
> As for those contradictions, you always refer to the Mladek´s page.
It might
> be helpful and I would need more time to study all the articles
published.
> As for me, I usually refer to the Longman Dictionary of Business
English by
> J. H. Adam who gives a nice comparison of "provisions" and "reserves" as
> follows:
> "provision": rezervy, financni zajisteni
> "provisions": zasoby (potravin)
> "reserves": rezervy (castky, ktere podnik vycleni ze zisku, aby mohl
celit
> nepredvidanym udalostem, neocekavanym budoucim vydajum nebo aby mohl
pozdeji
> investovat. Jsou dva druhy rezerv: revenue reserves - prijmove rezervy,
> ktere jsou dobrovolne a ktere lze pozdeji vyplatit jako dividendy, a
capital
> reserves - kapitalove rezervy, ktere podle zakona nelze rozdelit jako
> dividendy, az na vyjimecne pripady, o nichz rozhoduje soud.)
> I guess these contradictions are impossible to be resolved until the
Czech
> accounting standards are fully compatible with the international
ones. But
> maybe some other members will help to solve this issue.
>
> As for Jamie´s contribution. I would always take into consideration the
> context in which "cizi zdroje" are used. If they are used as
opposition to
> "vnitrni zdroje (financovani)", I would prefer external funds as well.
> However, then translating the Balance Sheet, I will go on
translating "cizi
> zdroje" as plain "liabilities", with regard to the common practise
that you
> can check with the Financial Times and their web page (there are annual
> reports available there free of charge).
>
> Regards,
> Tomas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "melvyn.geo" <zehrovak@...>
> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:05 PM
> Subject: [Czechlist] Re: TERM: Cizi zdroje
>
>
> --- In Czechlist@y..., Tomás Skront <skront@m...> wrote:
> > I go for, as you nicely said, plain "liabilities", while translating
> > subcategories as follows: reserves,
>
> Hmmm. Not that I claim to be an expert in the arcana of Czech
> accounting procedures or anything, but I would be careful on this
> point. Robert Mladek has a very useful page which goes into the
> differences of the various accounting systems at:
>
> www.gaap-cz.com/GAAP-cz/English/articles/Czech-Balance-Sheet.htm
>
> He points out the following:
>
> 080 Rezervy: Provisions; subtotal of 081 + 082 + 083)
>
> This item contains both provisions (liabilities) and allowances
> (contra assets). The reason is that Czech accounting does not
> recognize allowances and does not allow a contra-line item treatment
> for these items.
>
>  Note: there is also a semantic problem. Since the Czech word
> "rezervy" is often erroneously
>  translated into English as "reserves," it makes it appear that this
> is an equity item whereas,
> in fact, it is a liability.
>
>
> Note also:
> ---------------
> 071 Fondy ze zisku: Reserves (subtotal of 072 + 073 + 074)
>
> Unfortunately, the Czech term "fondy" is usually translated into
> English as "funds" so the word-for-word translation of this item is
> often "funds from profits."
>
> This, since fondy are actually reserves (appropriated retained
> earnings) not funds (restricted assets), is merely a translation
> error.  Thus, whenever the term "funds" in a translation seems to be
> referring to an equity account, the translator simply made an error.
>
> M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Czechlist: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Czechlist
> Post message: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
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Dobry vecer,

rada take prijdu se s vami seznamit. Od kolik hodin a jak vas poznam?

Liz


--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Alena Ryąková 2e <preklady@...>
wrote:
>
> Já bych také s dovolením chtela prijit, ale nevím, jestli se mi
podari, snad
> ano.
> Alena
> PS: nejak mi ten odkaz nefunguje, i kdyz ho slepim z obou radku, na
ktere se
> rozdelil.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "©árka Rubková" <rubkova@...>
> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:00 AM
> Subject: [Czechlist] RE:Bizon
>
>
> Je v úterý Bizon? Mohla bych přinést foto ze své poslení cesty do
Afriky,
> pokud byste měli zájem
>
> Sarka
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Liz, ganz einfach :-) zhruba od 19 hod. tam nekdo (napr. ja) bude. Zeptej se
personal po prekladatelich.

Helga



    _____

From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Liz Spacilova
Dobry vecer,

rada take prijdu se s vami seznamit. Od kolik hodin a jak vas poznam?

Liz

--- In HYPERLINK
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>
> Já bych také s dovolením chtela prijit, ale nevím, jestli se mi
podari, snad
> ano.
> Alena
> PS: nejak mi ten odkaz nefunguje, i kdyz ho slepim z obou radku, na
ktere se
> rozdelil.



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Teoreticky od sesti az pul sedme, prakticky zacina byt zivo az tak v
sedm. Slovem "zivo" myslim tak 3-5 lidi,
V pripade pochyb se da zeptat obsluhy, treba na Jardu Suchanka, ma tam
pevne osobni vazby :-)

Budu se tesit
Martin

Liz Spacilova napsal(a):
>
> Dobry vecer,
>
> rada take prijdu se s vami seznamit. Od kolik hodin a jak vas poznam?
>
> Liz
>
> --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Alena Ryąková 2e <preklady@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Já bych také s dovolením chtela prijit, ale nevím, jestli se mi
> podari, snad
> > ano.
> > Alena
> > PS: nejak mi ten odkaz nefunguje, i kdyz ho slepim z obou radku, na
> ktere se
> > rozdelil.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "©árka Rubková" <rubkova@...>
> > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:00 AM
> > Subject: [Czechlist] RE:Bizon
> >
> >
> > Je v úterý Bizon? Mohla bych přinést foto ze své poslení cesty do
> Afriky,
> > pokud byste měli zájem
> >
> > Sarka
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Vyborne, diky, dorazim kolem tech pul sedme / sedme, asi i s
kameradem - japonstinarem (ktery tvrdi, ze japonstina pry neni tak
tezka jako cestina).

Tschau,

Liz

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
>
> Teoreticky od sesti az pul sedme, prakticky zacina byt zivo az tak
v
> sedm. Slovem "zivo" myslim tak 3-5 lidi,
> V pripade pochyb se da zeptat obsluhy, treba na Jardu Suchanka, ma
tam
> pevne osobni vazby :-)
>
> Budu se tesit
> Martin
>
> Liz Spacilova napsal(a):
> >
> > Dobry vecer,
> >
> > rada take prijdu se s vami seznamit. Od kolik hodin a jak vas
poznam?
> >
> > Liz
> >
> > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Alena Ryąková 2e <preklady@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Já bych také s dovolením chtela prijit, ale nevím, jestli se mi
> > podari, snad
> > > ano.
> > > Alena
> > > PS: nejak mi ten odkaz nefunguje, i kdyz ho slepim z obou
radku, na
> > ktere se
> > > rozdelil.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "©árka Rubková" <rubkova@>
> > > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%
40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:00 AM
> > > Subject: [Czechlist] RE:Bizon
> > >
> > >
> > > Je v úterý Bizon? Mohla bych přinést foto ze své poslení cesty
do
> > Afriky,
> > > pokud byste měli zájem
> > >
> > > Sarka
> > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv? <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?>
> > s=97359714/grpId=328964/grpspId=1705043588/msgId=
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Dobry den,

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--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Liz Spacilova" <spacils@...> wrote:
>
> Vyborne, diky, dorazim kolem tech pul sedme / sedme, asi i s
> kameradem - japonstinarem (ktery tvrdi, ze japonstina pry neni tak
> tezka jako cestina).
>
> Tschau,
>
> Liz
>
> --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Martin Janda <mjanda@> wrote:
> >
> > Teoreticky od sesti az pul sedme, prakticky zacina byt zivo az
tak
> v
> > sedm. Slovem "zivo" myslim tak 3-5 lidi,
> > V pripade pochyb se da zeptat obsluhy, treba na Jardu Suchanka,
ma
> tam
> > pevne osobni vazby :-)
> >
> > Budu se tesit
> > Martin
> >
> > Liz Spacilova napsal(a):
> > >
> > > Dobry vecer,
> > >
> > > rada take prijdu se s vami seznamit. Od kolik hodin a jak vas
> poznam?
> > >
> > > Liz

Ahoj ve spolku,

Pracuji na stanovech jedne a.s. a vyskytuje se mi tato veta:

Nerozhodne-li predstavenstvo na naposled konane schuzi jinak, plati, ze
místem konani schuze je sidlo spolecnosti.

Nijak se mi tu neco nezda. Podle meho tu je napsan: If the board of
directors at the end of it´s last meeting does not make any other decision,
the meeting will take place at the head quaters of the company.

Nepotrebuji opravit Anglictinu (bude to v NJ), ale AJ tady umi vice lidy, a
mne jen jde o to, jestli jsem tu vetu pochopila zpravne - protoze tam kde
stoji v dokumentu pro mne neda zadny smysl (pokud ten smyls je takovy, jak
jsem to nastinila v AJ).

Irituje mne to z toho duvodu, ze predtim se rika, ze pro schuze je potreba
pisemna pozvanka kde se uvede misto, datum cas navrhovane schuze.

Dekuji predem

Helga


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Hi there,
Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
"zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
MTIA for any suggestions
Coilin

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "coilinoc" <coilinoc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
> "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
> calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
> osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
> popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
> zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
> MTIA for any suggestions
> Coilin
>
Hi Coilin,

I am pretty sure this is "sponsor" (as in "study sponsor").

Tom

Thanks for your reply, Tom. Unfortunately, it seems to be almost the
opposite to what you are suggesting. My context is a sponsorship
agreement and the party who is being sponsored to conduct the study is
called the zadavatel studie. Naturally the other party is defined as
the "financni podporovatel (sponzor) studie".
Explicit reference is made to the fact that the sponsor is not the
zadavatel as per the Act on Pharmeceuticals.
I guess you can see now why I'm a little stumped...:-(
Coilin

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "tomas_barendregt" <barendregt@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "coilinoc" <coilinoc@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
> > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
> > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
> > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
> > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
> > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
> > MTIA for any suggestions
> > Coilin
> >
> Hi Coilin,
>
> I am pretty sure this is "sponsor" (as in "study sponsor").
>
> Tom
>

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "coilinoc" <coilinoc@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply, Tom. Unfortunately, it seems to be almost the
> opposite to what you are suggesting. My context is a sponsorship
> agreement and the party who is being sponsored to conduct the study is
> called the zadavatel studie. Naturally the other party is defined as
> the "financni podporovatel (sponzor) studie".
> Explicit reference is made to the fact that the sponsor is not the
> zadavatel as per the Act on Pharmeceuticals.
> I guess you can see now why I'm a little stumped...:-(
> Coilin
>

No kidding! This seems counterintuitive to me. I assume then that this
"zadavatel" is not the actual facility that carries out the study
(which would be a "study site" or some such thing) but rather some
entity between the sponsor (which I assume is the drug company trying
to get its drug evaluated) and the actual sites where the study is
conducted. Could it than be "coordinator" or "facilitator" or
something like that? I suppose I should actually take a look at the
Act on Pharmaceuticals to make a more educated guess...

Tom

You're right, it's basically an individual researcher. She's in charge
of "zahajeni, rizeni, provadeni a hodnoceni studie dle zak c. 79/1997
Sb. o lecivech."
I've thought of maybe using something long-winded like "the party
commissioning the study", but I was just afraid that as it seems to be
  a term that is enshrined in the legislation so to speak there might
be a standard English "trade links" style translation for it somewhere...
If not, "coordinator" might work though
Coilin

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "tomas_barendregt" <barendregt@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "coilinoc" <coilinoc@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your reply, Tom. Unfortunately, it seems to be almost the
> > opposite to what you are suggesting. My context is a sponsorship
> > agreement and the party who is being sponsored to conduct the study is
> > called the zadavatel studie. Naturally the other party is defined as
> > the "financni podporovatel (sponzor) studie".
> > Explicit reference is made to the fact that the sponsor is not the
> > zadavatel as per the Act on Pharmeceuticals.
> > I guess you can see now why I'm a little stumped...:-(
> > Coilin
> >
>
> No kidding! This seems counterintuitive to me. I assume then that this
> "zadavatel" is not the actual facility that carries out the study
> (which would be a "study site" or some such thing) but rather some
> entity between the sponsor (which I assume is the drug company trying
> to get its drug evaluated) and the actual sites where the study is
> conducted. Could it than be "coordinator" or "facilitator" or
> something like that? I suppose I should actually take a look at the
> Act on Pharmaceuticals to make a more educated guess...
>
> Tom
>

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "coilinoc" <coilinoc@...> wrote:
>
> You're right, it's basically an individual researcher. She's in charge
> of "zahajeni, rizeni, provadeni a hodnoceni studie dle zak c. 79/1997
> Sb. o lecivech."
> I've thought of maybe using something long-winded like "the party
> commissioning the study", but I was just afraid that as it seems to be
>  a term that is enshrined in the legislation so to speak there might
> be a standard English "trade links" style translation for it
somewhere...
> If not, "coordinator" might work though
> Coilin
>
I took a look at the zakon (79/1997) and did not really find a good
clue there. It seems it only mentions a "zkousejici" (who I would call
"investigator") and "zadavatel" which, again, I would think is
"sponsor". The Act itself does not mention "sponzor" so I am not
exactly sure what this entity really is...

From translating study-related texts into Czech, I remember there are
sometimes "primary investigators" - could this be the "zadavatel" in
your case? These are probably some head physicians collecting input
from individual investigators/sites.

Tom

Hi, Helga!
IMHO, you are more or less right, only I would rather paraphrase the
original sentence like this:
"Unless the Board of Directors decides otherwise at the latest meeting, the
next meeting shall take place at the company headquarters."
HTH.
Regards,
Jarda



----- Original Message -----
From: "Helga Listen" <listen@...>
To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:41 AM
Subject: [Czechlist] Pochopeni vety


Ahoj ve spolku,

Pracuji na stanovech jedne a.s. a vyskytuje se mi tato veta:

Nerozhodne-li predstavenstvo na naposled konane schuzi jinak, plati, ze
místem konani schuze je sidlo spolecnosti.

Nijak se mi tu neco nezda. Podle meho tu je napsan: If the board of
directors at the end of it´s last meeting does not make any other decision,
the meeting will take place at the head quaters of the company.

Nepotrebuji opravit Anglictinu (bude to v NJ), ale AJ tady umi vice lidy, a
mne jen jde o to, jestli jsem tu vetu pochopila zpravne - protoze tam kde
stoji v dokumentu pro mne neda zadny smysl (pokud ten smyls je takovy, jak
jsem to nastinila v AJ).

Irituje mne to z toho duvodu, ze predtim se rika, ze pro schuze je potreba
pisemna pozvanka kde se uvede misto, datum cas navrhovane schuze.

Dekuji predem

Helga


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Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here

M


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: coilinoc
   To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
   Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel


   Hi there,
   Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
   "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
   calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
   osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
   popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
   zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
   MTIA for any suggestions
   Coilin





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Ahoj Helgo,

podle me jsi to pochopila dobre, ale smysl to dava take. V pozvance sice
bude uvedeno misto schuze, ale tim mistem bude sidlo spolecnosti - pokud
spravni rada na naposledy konane schuzi nerozhodla jinak.

Mas pravdu, ze by v te pozvance tim padem to misto asi nemuselo byt, ale
je lepsi ho tam uvest - napr. nekdo by mohl zapomenout, ze spravni rada
minule "rozhodla jinak", nebo se spolecnost mohla stehovat, atd. Takhle
to bude jednoznacne. Navic je mozne, ze v te pozvance misto musi byt
uvedeno ze zakona (ale to netvrdim s jistotou).

Josef

Helga Listen wrote:
> Ahoj ve spolku,
>
> Pracuji na stanovech jedne a.s. a vyskytuje se mi tato veta:
>
> Nerozhodne-li predstavenstvo na naposled konane schuzi jinak, plati, ze
> m�stem konani schuze je sidlo spolecnosti.
>
> Nijak se mi tu neco nezda. Podle meho tu je napsan: If the board of
> directors at the end of it�s last meeting does not make any other decision,
> the meeting will take place at the head quaters of the company.
>
> Nepotrebuji opravit Anglictinu (bude to v NJ), ale AJ tady umi vice lidy, a
> mne jen jde o to, jestli jsem tu vetu pochopila zpravne - protoze tam kde
> stoji v dokumentu pro mne neda zadny smysl (pokud ten smyls je takovy, jak
> jsem to nastinila v AJ).
>
> Irituje mne to z toho duvodu, ze predtim se rika, ze pro schuze je potreba
> pisemna pozvanka kde se uvede misto, datum cas navrhovane schuze.
>
> Dekuji predem
>
> Helga
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
> Translators' tricks of the trade:
> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?

Martin

Matej Klimes napsal(a):
>
> Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
>
> M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: coilinoc
> To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
> Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
>
> Hi there,
> Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
> "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
> calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
> osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
> popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
> zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
> MTIA for any suggestions
> Coilin
>
>

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
>
> Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?

Hi Martin,
here is the offending paragraph:

Jedna se o vyslovne v bodu dva uvedenou studii vyzkumníka, ktery je
jejim zadavatelem a XXX podporuje tuto studii jako financni sponzor, a
neni zodpovedny za zahajeni, rizeni, provedeni a vyhodnoceni této
studie.  XXX nebude v souvislosti s vyse uvedenou vyzkumnou cinnosti
udelovat vyzkumnikovi zadné prime instrukce, a take jinak nebude
uplatnovat primy vliv na prubeh vyzkumu u vyzkumnika.

And here is the "point two above" which the text refers to:

XXX bude podporovat výzkumnou činnost po obdobi od listopad 2007 do
cervna 2008  a zavazuje se poskytnout prispěvek uvedeny v § 3 této
smlouvy. Vyzkumnik se zavazuje tyto prispevky pouzit vylucne pro vyse
uvedenou studii. Naklady prevysujici prispevek na studii uhradi
vylucne vyzkumnik.

Incidentally, is there any reason why "prispevek" can suddenly become
"prispevky" in the second sentence or is it a mistake...?

Many thanks again
Coilin

> Martin
>
> Matej Klimes napsal(a):
> >
> > Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
> >
> > M
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: coilinoc
> > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
> > Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
> >
> > Hi there,
> > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
> > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
> > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
> > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
> > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
> > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
> > MTIA for any suggestions
> > Coilin
> >
> >
>

Hi Coilin again,

Looks like this is either a poorly translated text from English, or the
writer is a bit behind the current terminology. Anyway,  I would suggest
the following:

vyzkumnik - Principal Investigator (... who commissioned the study)
sponzor  - Sponsor
prispevek = prispevky (IMHO no distinction intended)

  hth
Martin



coilinoc napsal(a):
>
> --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
> >
> > Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?
>
> Hi Martin,
> here is the offending paragraph:
>
> Jedna se o vyslovne v bodu dva uvedenou studii vyzkumníka, ktery je
> jejim zadavatelem a XXX podporuje tuto studii jako financni sponzor, a
> neni zodpovedny za zahajeni, rizeni, provedeni a vyhodnoceni této
> studie. XXX nebude v souvislosti s vyse uvedenou vyzkumnou cinnosti
> udelovat vyzkumnikovi zadné prime instrukce, a take jinak nebude
> uplatnovat primy vliv na prubeh vyzkumu u vyzkumnika.
>
> And here is the "point two above" which the text refers to:
>
> XXX bude podporovat výzkumnou činnost po obdobi od listopad 2007 do
> cervna 2008 a zavazuje se poskytnout prispěvek uvedeny v § 3 této
> smlouvy. Vyzkumnik se zavazuje tyto prispevky pouzit vylucne pro vyse
> uvedenou studii. Naklady prevysujici prispevek na studii uhradi
> vylucne vyzkumnik.
>
> Incidentally, is there any reason why "prispevek" can suddenly become
> "prispevky" in the second sentence or is it a mistake...?
>
> Many thanks again
> Coilin
>
> > Martin
> >
> > Matej Klimes napsal(a):
> > >
> > > Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: coilinoc
> > > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
> > > Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
> > > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
> > > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
> > > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
> > > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
> > > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
> > > MTIA for any suggestions
> > > Coilin
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Messages in this topic
>
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Thanks, Martin (and Tom and Matej)
Coilin

--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Coilin again,
>
> Looks like this is either a poorly translated text from English, or the
> writer is a bit behind the current terminology. Anyway,  I would
suggest
> the following:
>
> vyzkumnik - Principal Investigator (... who commissioned the study)
> sponzor  - Sponsor
> prispevek = prispevky (IMHO no distinction intended)
>
>  hth
> Martin
>
>
>
> coilinoc napsal(a):
> >
> > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Martin Janda <mjanda@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?
> >
> > Hi Martin,
> > here is the offending paragraph:
> >
> > Jedna se o vyslovne v bodu dva uvedenou studii vyzkumníka, ktery je
> > jejim zadavatelem a XXX podporuje tuto studii jako financni sponzor, a
> > neni zodpovedny za zahajeni, rizeni, provedeni a vyhodnoceni této
> > studie. XXX nebude v souvislosti s vyse uvedenou vyzkumnou cinnosti
> > udelovat vyzkumnikovi zadné prime instrukce, a take jinak nebude
> > uplatnovat primy vliv na prubeh vyzkumu u vyzkumnika.
> >
> > And here is the "point two above" which the text refers to:
> >
> > XXX bude podporovat výzkumnou činnost po obdobi od listopad
2007 do
> > cervna 2008 a zavazuje se poskytnout prispěvek uvedeny v § 3 této
> > smlouvy. Vyzkumnik se zavazuje tyto prispevky pouzit vylucne pro vyse
> > uvedenou studii. Naklady prevysujici prispevek na studii uhradi
> > vylucne vyzkumnik.
> >
> > Incidentally, is there any reason why "prispevek" can suddenly become
> > "prispevky" in the second sentence or is it a mistake...?
> >
> > Many thanks again
> > Coilin
> >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > Matej Klimes napsal(a):
> > > >
> > > > Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
> > > >
> > > > M
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: coilinoc
> > > > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
> > > > Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
> > > > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals
(as SUKL
> > > > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
> > > > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani,
kontrolu,
> > > > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
> > > > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
> > > > MTIA for any suggestions
> > > > Coilin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic
> >
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> > (0)
> >
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>

I haven't looked at the whole thread - I assumed from your sample that zadavatel
was the company making the drug and then requesting SUKL to approve it - I think
I have encountered this and solved it with applicant before... but your
situation is probably different..

M


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Matej Klimes
   To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:28 AM
   Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel


   Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here

   M

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: coilinoc
   To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
   Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel

   Hi there,
   Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
   "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as SUKL
   calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
   osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani, kontrolu,
   popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
   zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
   MTIA for any suggestions
   Coilin

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I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a standard
translation for
principal investigator - hlavni zkušející
sponsor - zadavatel
Sabina
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Martin Janda
   Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:54 AM
   To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: Help: zadavatel


   Hi Coilin again,

   Looks like this is either a poorly translated text from English, or the
   writer is a bit behind the current terminology. Anyway, I would suggest
   the following:

   vyzkumnik - Principal Investigator (... who commissioned the study)
   sponzor - Sponsor
   prispevek = prispevky (IMHO no distinction intended)

   hth
   Martin

   coilinoc napsal(a):
   >
   > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
   > Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
   > >
   > > Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?
   >
   > Hi Martin,
   > here is the offending paragraph:
   >
   > Jedna se o vyslovne v bodu dva uvedenou studii vyzkumníka, ktery je
   > jejim zadavatelem a XXX podporuje tuto studii jako financni sponzor, a
   > neni zodpovedny za zahajeni, rizeni, provedeni a vyhodnoceni této
   > studie. XXX nebude v souvislosti s vyse uvedenou vyzkumnou cinnosti
   > udelovat vyzkumnikovi zadné prime instrukce, a take jinak nebude
   > uplatnovat primy vliv na prubeh vyzkumu u vyzkumnika.
   >
   > And here is the "point two above" which the text refers to:
   >
   > XXX bude podporovat výzkumnou činnost po obdobi od listopad 2007 do
   > cervna 2008 a zavazuje se poskytnout prispěvek uvedeny v § 3 této
   > smlouvy. Vyzkumnik se zavazuje tyto prispevky pouzit vylucne pro vyse
   > uvedenou studii. Naklady prevysujici prispevek na studii uhradi
   > vylucne vyzkumnik.
   >
   > Incidentally, is there any reason why "prispevek" can suddenly become
   > "prispevky" in the second sentence or is it a mistake...?
   >
   > Many thanks again
   > Coilin
   >
   > > Martin
   > >
   > > Matej Klimes napsal(a):
   > > >
   > > > Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
   > > >
   > > > M
   > > >
   > > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > > From: coilinoc
   > > > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
   > <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
   > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
   > > > Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
   > > >
   > > > Hi there,
   > > > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
   > > > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as
SUKL
   > > > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
   > > > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani,
kontrolu,
   > > > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
   > > > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
   > > > MTIA for any suggestions
   > > > Coilin
   > > >
   > > >
   > >
   >
   >
   > Messages in this topic
   >
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Sorry - hlavní zkoušející
Sabina
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Sabina Králová
   Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:21 AM
   To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [Czechlist] Re: Help: zadavatel


   I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a
standard
   translation for
   principal investigator - hlavni zkušející
   sponsor - zadavatel
   Sabina
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com]On
   Behalf Of Martin Janda
   Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:54 AM
   To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: Help: zadavatel

   Hi Coilin again,

   Looks like this is either a poorly translated text from English, or the
   writer is a bit behind the current terminology. Anyway, I would suggest
   the following:

   vyzkumnik - Principal Investigator (... who commissioned the study)
   sponzor - Sponsor
   prispevek = prispevky (IMHO no distinction intended)

   hth
   Martin

   coilinoc napsal(a):
   >
   > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
   > Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
   > >
   > > Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?
   >
   > Hi Martin,
   > here is the offending paragraph:
   >
   > Jedna se o vyslovne v bodu dva uvedenou studii vyzkumníka, ktery je
   > jejim zadavatelem a XXX podporuje tuto studii jako financni sponzor, a
   > neni zodpovedny za zahajeni, rizeni, provedeni a vyhodnoceni této
   > studie. XXX nebude v souvislosti s vyse uvedenou vyzkumnou cinnosti
   > udelovat vyzkumnikovi zadné prime instrukce, a take jinak nebude
   > uplatnovat primy vliv na prubeh vyzkumu u vyzkumnika.
   >
   > And here is the "point two above" which the text refers to:
   >
   > XXX bude podporovat výzkumnou činnost po obdobi od listopad 2007 do
   > cervna 2008 a zavazuje se poskytnout prispěvek uvedeny v § 3 této
   > smlouvy. Vyzkumnik se zavazuje tyto prispevky pouzit vylucne pro vyse
   > uvedenou studii. Naklady prevysujici prispevek na studii uhradi
   > vylucne vyzkumnik.
   >
   > Incidentally, is there any reason why "prispevek" can suddenly become
   > "prispevky" in the second sentence or is it a mistake...?
   >
   > Many thanks again
   > Coilin
   >
   > > Martin
   > >
   > > Matej Klimes napsal(a):
   > > >
   > > > Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
   > > >
   > > > M
   > > >
   > > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > > From: coilinoc
   > > > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
   > <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
   > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
   > > > Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
   > > >
   > > > Hi there,
   > > > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
   > > > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as
   SUKL
   > > > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
   > > > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani,
   kontrolu,
   > > > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
   > > > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
   > > > MTIA for any suggestions
   > > > Coilin
   > > >
   > > >
   > >
   >
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