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12096 Stephen E. Jones
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Mar 1, 2005
1:37 pm
Group I have just scanned a number of older quotes on problems with natural selection from P.G. Fothergill's, "Historical Aspects of Organic Evolution" (1952),...
12097 Stephen E. Jones
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Mar 1, 2005
3:57 pm
Group Derek might be interested in this. At least I now know what "The Da Vinci Code" is about! I note that in Brown's statement below he does not say "that...
12098 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
4:29 pm
... Indeed it is, and the onus is on biologists to justify the story. Likewise, the onus is on Gitt to justify his statement. To assume his statement is true...
12099 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
4:31 pm
... Why do you assume that most scientists even care about justifying metaphysical naturalism? Heck, why do you assume that it's a metaphysical proposition at...
12100 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
4:31 pm
... listening. You're quite welcome. ~~ Paul...
12101 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
4:39 pm
... effect. Natural Selection simply weeds-out and destroys the genetic traits which are incompatible with a given enviroment--it doesn't create new traits...
12102 JonSaboe@...
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Mar 1, 2005
4:41 pm
... Let's try a different word that might help you understand a little bit better. "Inevitable" It is inevitable that water will follow the contours of the...
12103 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
4:44 pm
... What does it mean to say that natural processes cannot select outcomes? For example, are you saying that a ditch in the ground does not select the path of...
12104 Paul
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Mar 1, 2005
5:40 pm
... The above is a factual description not a story. Life from non-life is a story. ... Justify showing that molecular machines don't self-assemble when this...
12105 Paul
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Mar 1, 2005
5:50 pm
... I don't. It's not scientists running to court to stop school districts from including an ID viewpoint in OOL teaching. It's the likes of the ACLU-...
12106 Paul
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Mar 1, 2005
6:07 pm
... PK: Natural selection operates because there is a basis for choice embodied in encoded DNA. When the code exists a change can be included or excluded from...
12107 Phil Skell
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Mar 1, 2005
8:30 pm
12108 Phil Skell
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Mar 1, 2005
8:31 pm
12109 Paul
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Mar 1, 2005
9:38 pm
PK: A brilliant analysis of how theory can be fashioned to fit the inadaquacy of empirical evidence....
12110 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
10:00 pm
... bit ... it is in. Only because we understand the process. ... Ditto. ... die. ... Yes, this is a logical tautology. ... You are assuming that your actions...
12111 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
10:02 pm
... Yes, if he insists on making it a blanket statement of fact, which he does. If he just said "show me," then fine. ... I don't think you're paying...
12112 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
10:04 pm
... Why do you say that? ... Like this, for example: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74726 ~~ Paul...
12113 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
10:08 pm
... Why can't selection operate on a different type of information- storing chemical structure? ... No, you have not layed out the case. You've simply said...
12114 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 1, 2005
10:09 pm
... the ... suggesting ... indefinite ... said ... to ... Then why is everyone tiring themselves trying to perceive the process? ~~ Paul...
12115 JonSaboe@...
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Mar 1, 2005
10:29 pm
... Why should biology be exempt from the rest of the universe? That's indicative of pre-Darwinian thinking which felt that “life” (cells, etc.) was made...
12116 JonSaboe@...
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Mar 1, 2005
10:30 pm
... Are you know admitting that DNA contains information?...
12117 Phil Skell
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Mar 1, 2005
10:33 pm
... Not a metaphysical theory, but a metaphysical objective accounts for the Darwinist's ferocity in attacking individuals who question the value of the ...
12118 Stephen E. Jones
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Mar 1, 2005
11:22 pm
Group Here for members info is another extract by me of NEWS@NATURE's highlights for the week that I receive. Most of these items are in my science news items...
12119 mstexas_5 Offline Send Email Mar 1, 2005
11:29 pm
... CreationEvolutionDesign@yahoogroups.com, "paulcanagnostopoulos" <yahoo@w...> wrote: Gitt made a just-so statement about code systems and ... ME: It's...
12120 Paul
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Mar 1, 2005
11:59 pm
... Mstexas says it well: "It's IRRATIONAL to conclude that encoding can come about naturally through RANDOM, SPONTANEOUS processes. In light of your...
12121 Paul
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Mar 2, 2005
12:16 am
... http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74726 ... PK: Let's look at this statement from the site. "Selection is very important for drug creation...
12122 Paul
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Mar 2, 2005
12:24 am
... PK: Such as? Also how did it arise and where did it go? ... PK: I've stated a biological fact that selection requires encoded DNA and a protein synthesis ...
12123 Phil Skell
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Mar 2, 2005
2:24 am
12124 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 2, 2005
9:43 pm
... I'm the one that said everything contains information. The critical issue is the definition of "information." ~~ Paul...
12125 paulcanagnostopoulos
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Mar 2, 2005
9:43 pm
... of ... etc.) ... them) the ... etc. There is more than one definition of information. It is not a trivial matter to decide which one pertains to DNA. ... ...
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