Group Here are science news items, with my comments in square brackets, for members' information and discussion. *** Moderator: I have decided to no longer...
... Why overkill? We still don't know everything. The "anthropic principle" is now a well-known characteristic of the universe, and we discover new things...
... From another programmer, the language of life and the I/O present in biological systems puts all of our automation to shame. Chip designers and engineers...
... These are all simply inputs to a process. Humans look for patterns in these processes. The inputs to this process look a bit like a computer program, so we...
... and programmatic perspective. ... pretend that Ribosomes also have no pre-conceived convention. Okay. ... etc.) there MUST be a convention. Agreed. ... the...
... in ... designers ... the ... living ... Then we are going to end up with some truly horrendous kludges. Unless, of course, we take only the useful stuff...
... PK: Good point. I would add that when the encoding properties of DNA are viewed together with protein and nucleic acid synthesis functions as well as the...
... PK: The inputs to the process are the cellular signals resulting in the initiation of transcription. Start codons indicate where transcription begins and...
... PK: Then by all means explain how the assembly took place. I've been asking for quite some time how the genetic code and its associated protein synthesis ...
Group ... PA>Why do you say that? Do you think chemistry allows any codon to ... A "codon" doesn't "attract an... amino acid." A "codon" instructs a ribosome ...
... PK: Very true. I would illustrate the point by a mutation example altering a codon and affecting the fitness of an organism. Fitness is not determined by...
... In addition to Steveen's thoughough syntactic and etymological rebuttal, I would also offer the obvious: It seems perfectly reasonable to apply the word...
... I say that because the Ribosomes Read AUG, and then they go and fetch a Methionine (right-handed) amino acid from storage. Also rememeber that different...
Please note that the National Geographic item is third. End of one world? On to the next? Not so fast … Smithsonian persecutes one of their own who published...
... It looks like a code on hindsight, because it resembles a simple programming language. Look at the periodic table or a chart of the standard model. These...
... If the ribosome assembled purely by chance, then the existence of the code did, too, because it is embodied in the chemistry of the ribosomal mechanism. ...
... forces) ... ribosome ... attach ... Yes, it actually involves tRNA, anticodons, amino acids arms, synthetases, and so forth. Sorry, I was being terse. ... ...
... rebuttal, I ... that ... I'll grant this to a certain extent, but you need to define "decode" carefully. For example, flower color has to be decoded by...
... fetch a ... that ... But the matching of codon to amino acid is a chemical process that does "force" specific matches. It's a contingent process. ... ...
... I must assume that you are deliberately missing the point. The code (language, convention) is NOT embodied in the 'chemistry of the ribosomal mechanism'...
... What does your chemical intuition tell you about the feasibility of self-synthesis, or sophisticated lab-synthesis of the ribosome. Phil [Non-text...
Phil Skell
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Feb 1, 2005 9:18 pm
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... PK: Not according to Shannon, the information genius who detailed how to measure it. Those examples you gave are red herrings not encoded measures of ...
... PK: It looks like a code because it fits the definition of a code. Merriam-Webster Dictionary a: a system of signals or symbols for communication b: a...
You MUST click the link to read the links and typography. http://cruxmag.typepad.com/sci_phi/ What appears below is just text. - d. ) By way of kicking off its...
... Yep, you should see some of the programs I've had to work with! :-) However, nothing competes with the smooth functioning of our cells. The real-world...
... PK: DNA is not embodied in the chemistry of ribosomes. Ribosomes are a combination of proteins and nucleic acids and where did those proteins come from? ...
... PK: It's not just chemistry. A non-encoding gene is still DNA. Whether it is selected or not depends on the survival value afforded to an organism by its...
... PK: Most evolutionists concede that DNA is encoded and argue that it could have come about by natural means. Paul stubbornly resists the obvious perhaps...
PK: You're witnessing on this list now exchanges over the issue of encoded DNA illustrating that opponents of ID will not accept any form of evidence. Why ...
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