Group On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:21:51 -0800, Cliff Lundberg wrote: CL>I noticed that a Pennsylvania public high school has ordered ... Thanks to Cliff for the...
Stephen E. Jones wrote: [snip] ... From Denyse: The gist of our conversation, as Steve suggests above, is that the publisher is in no position to know the...
... What does it mean to "beg the sample space"? You are right: I do not know if naturalism is "real" in the sense of ontologically real. That is why science...
... This is why science moves along, rather than stopping. This is why science never reaches the end of the story. This is why there is no proof in science. ...
... Yup. So, let's begin. Which definition of "irreducibly complex" shall we consider: (a) A mechanism is IC if, when you remove a component, it no longer ...
... Surely you're joking. It is not a matter of faith to assume that when we don't know how something works, it is because we are lacking knowledge. That is...
... Do they have to teach students about the problems with all other scientific theories, too? Do they have to teach students about the ... "There's only one...
... publisher, to ... Behe's "Darwin's ... but ... secular ... experience. I ... USA as ... Yes, I think that is true to some degree, although less so in the ...
... PK: Scientific evidence is not moving in the direction of showing greater plausibility for abiogenesis, ... PK: You cannot in principle determine whether...
... PK: That's the fallacy. The issue is not how it works becuase on a lifeless planet there are no functioning organisms. Your faith is in a speculative...
... You are not paying attention. ... It does not make sense to speak of "in principle" as regards the current state of affairs. There is no principle that...
... So we are using definition (b). I have a counterexample: blood clotting in humans vs. dolphins. However, let's accept the definition and even accept that...
... You broke my sentence in half. I repeat: It is not a matter of faith to assume that when we don't know how something works, it is because we are lacking...
... That is not the principle I am talking about. I am talking about whether there is a logical reason why we cannot continue to work on abiogenesis, even if...
... PK: The term IC is a description. It served to illustrate Behe's point that there is a shortage of empirical evidence for these types of systems. I'm ...
... CreationEvolutionDesign@yahoogroups.com, "paulcanagnostopoulos" ... words ... efficient ... The way evolution has been described by Darwinists, and...
... PK: It is a matter of faith to assume life comes into existence on a lifeless planet when there is no evidence for it. The 'how something works' in this ...
... The term IC has a technical definition, devised by Behe and expanded upon by Dembski. In addition to any illustrative point it serves, it is now a specific...
... CreationEvolutionDesign@yahoogroups.com, "paulcanagnostopoulos" ... <pk4_paul@y...> ... lack ... The only thing that this false logic provides is called...
... You don't seem to understand what the word "assumption" means. I am not making an assumption that life originated through abiogenesis or any other way....
... I am not sure they can. You would have to do a logical demonstration of this. Dembski did not; he did a flawed probabilistic demonstration. However, even...
... What sort of a question is that? If you want to reject logic, be my guest, but then why should anyone pay any attention to your conclusions? ... Or ... ...
... CreationEvolutionDesign@yahoogroups.com, "paulcanagnostopoulos" ... from ... the ... of ... By your own account, it is only a false logic that is being...
Hi all, Amidst this rain of posts, I have a small "FYI type" note that I think would not divert attention from the current discussion. As you may know, in its...
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