So true!  I never wore blue jeans until after college really. Even in the 1920's
the gangster style was elegant and handsome.  What happened to undergarments?
This was considered sexy...slips, garters etc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: misswisc@...
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:19:17
To: <CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;

Or my mom's generation when wearing "dungarees" (blue jeans) to school
was considered "unladylike."


-----Original Message-----
From: greenwooddreams@...
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 10:10 am
Subject: Re: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;

I read this last message and smiled. Go back nearly a hundred years and
read about the early 1920's and Flapper dress. Another lost and slutty
generation. They did the outrageous by wearing no corsets, slinky
dresses that *gasp* showed knees that had often been rouged, rolled
down stockings, and in some cases, flapping galoshes, which is why they
originally were given the name Flapper. They wore heavy eye makeup and
dark lipsticks, and were considered wanton for doing so. Want truly
sexual and slut worthy, look at some of the late 1920's dresses. They
were often sheer net, heavily beaded, sometimes worn over a tube of
silk referred to as a slip. But sometimes not worn over even a slip.
Bras were only the most basic of undergarments, and younger women might
not even wear that. Dressing gangster isn't new either, it just has a
different style now. Look at the influence on men's clothing in the
late 1920's and early 1930's.

You said, "Elegance is no more, it has been replaced by trashiness."
The Victorian ladies who lived into the 1920's said the exact same
thing about the outrageous young people then.

My point is that fashion is cyclical, and that every generation has
those who dress in a manner sure to outrage the generation before it.
It has been that way throughout history, if one looks closely enough.
People express themselves through their clothing, and I don't think
there's too many instances when clothing brought down a civilization.



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Or my mom's generation when wearing "dungarees" (blue jeans) to school
was considered "unladylike."


-----Original Message-----
From: greenwooddreams@...
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 10:10 am
Subject: Re: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;

I read this last message and smiled. Go back nearly a hundred years and
read about the early 1920's and Flapper dress. Another lost and slutty
generation. They did the outrageous by wearing no corsets, slinky
dresses that *gasp* showed knees that had often been rouged, rolled
down stockings, and in some cases, flapping galoshes, which is why they
originally were given the name Flapper. They wore heavy eye makeup and
dark lipsticks, and were considered wanton for doing so. Want truly
sexual and slut worthy, look at some of the late 1920's dresses. They
were often sheer net, heavily beaded, sometimes worn over a tube of
silk referred to as a slip. But sometimes not worn over even a slip.
Bras were only the most basic of undergarments, and younger women might
not even wear that. Dressing gangster isn't new either, it just has a
different style now. Look at the influence on men's clothing in the
late 1920's and early 1930's.

You said, "Elegance is no more, it has been replaced by trashiness."
The Victorian ladies who lived into the 1920's said the exact same
thing about the outrageous young people then.

My point is that fashion is cyclical, and that every generation has
those who dress in a manner sure to outrage the generation before it.
It has been that way throughout history, if one looks closely enough.
People express themselves through their clothing, and I don't think
there's too many instances when clothing brought down a civilization.

I read this last message and smiled.  Go back nearly a hundred years and read
about the early 1920's and Flapper dress.  Another lost and slutty generation. 
They did the outrageous by wearing no corsets, slinky dresses that *gasp* showed
knees that had often been rouged, rolled down stockings, and in some cases,
flapping galoshes, which is why they originally were given the name Flapper. 
They wore heavy eye makeup and dark lipsticks, and were considered wanton for
doing so.  Want truly sexual and slut worthy, look at some of the late 1920's
dresses.  They were often sheer net, heavily beaded, sometimes worn over a tube
of silk referred to as a slip.  But sometimes not worn over even a slip.  Bras
were only the most basic of undergarments, and younger women might not even wear
that.  Dressing gangster isn't new either, it just has a different style now. 
Look at the influence on men's clothing in the late 1920's and early 1930's.

You said, "Elegance is no more, it has been replaced by trashiness."  The
Victorian ladies who lived into the 1920's said the exact same thing about the
outrageous young people then.

My point is that fashion is cyclical, and that every generation has those who
dress in a manner sure to outrage the generation before it.  It has been that
way throughout history, if one looks closely enough.  People express themselves
through their clothing, and I don't think there's too many instances when
clothing brought down a civilization.



-----Original Message-----
From: missie matecki <mis2misu@...>
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:59 pm
Subject: Re: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;




Media shock and mediocrity are the theme of the day. Anyone who has a cool label
and "gangsta" credit are the best designs to wear. I am not sure when "thugs"
became ultra cool but It is what kids like to wear so they seem tough in a tough
world. The heavy makeup comes from singers and rappers alike. Being a "HO" is
cool, sexually attractive and sought after. The downfall of society is not in
the loss of hats but in the loss of grace and glamour where leaving something to
the imagination was better than bearing it all. Silks were the fashion of the
day. They clung to the body but did not show skin. We have always fashioned
ourselves after the famous movies stars and musician. Elegance is no more, it
has been replaced by trashiness. Skin to win as they say and sex education is a
joke in schools. They wonder why so many kids drop out these days. Fashion
follows society and entitlement and fast cash became the mantra both with
parents and their offspring.
Jailbirds and their baby mommas have become the cool people. Will we ever
recover?

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, original_invariance <original_invariance@...>
wrote:

From: original_invariance <original_invariance@...>
Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:52 PM



I find it interesting, every time I go to my daughter's school to find that all
of the students are like a sea of mediocrity in their dress. Skinny jeans,
converse shoes and hooded sweaters are the uniform de jour for the girls and are
not that different from the way the boys dress. They choose muddied colors in
browns or grays and it seems that there is not much deviance from the routine.

There are few obvious differences between the boys and the girls. While boys
express their individuality through such accessories as bright, multicolored
ball caps, the girls opt for large gaudy jewelry. The girls wear heavy make up
in dark colors, but the boys are not far behind as some of them wear eyeliner
too. Few hints of color in the whole ensemble seems to be shocks of bold streaks
on the sea of black heads, usually more found on boys. The girls opt for more
natural hair color and longer lengths. Girls tend to wear lower but tops under
the sweaters and tighter jeans that accent their femininity.

Social class within the group is demonstrated via visible logos on the clothing.
Designer labels clearly separate the well-off from the average as the pricing
for these designers is not affordable to the ordinary teen.

It is obvious that this method of dress is an unconscious social statement for
the group. It is the way they 'belong' and identify with each other.

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Media shock and mediocrity are the theme of the day. Anyone who has a cool label
and "gangsta" credit are the best designs to wear. I am not sure when "thugs"
became ultra cool but It is what kids like to wear so they seem tough in a tough
world. The heavy makeup comes from singers and rappers alike. Being a "HO" is
cool, sexually attractive and sought after. The downfall of society is not in
the loss of hats but in the loss of grace and glamour where leaving something to
the imagination was better than bearing it all. Silks were the fashion of the
day. They clung to the body but did not show skin. We have always fashioned
ourselves after the famous movies stars and musician. Elegance is no more, it
has been replaced by trashiness. Skin to win as they say and sex education is a
joke in schools. They wonder why so many kids drop out these days. Fashion
follows society and entitlement and fast cash became the mantra both with
parents and their offspring.
  Jailbirds and their baby mommas have become the cool people. Will we ever
recover?

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, original_invariance <original_invariance@...>
wrote:

From: original_invariance <original_invariance@...>
Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:52 PM







 









       I find it interesting, every time I go to my daughter's school to find
that all of the students are like a sea of mediocrity in their dress.  Skinny
jeans, converse shoes and hooded sweaters are the uniform de jour for the girls
and are not that different from the way the boys dress.  They choose muddied
colors in browns or grays and it seems that there is not much deviance from the
routine.

There are few obvious differences between the boys and the girls.  While boys
express their individuality through such accessories as bright, multicolored
ball caps, the girls opt for large gaudy jewelry.  The girls wear heavy make up
in dark colors, but the boys are not far behind as some of them wear eyeliner
too.  Few hints of color in the whole ensemble seems to be shocks of bold
streaks on the sea of black heads, usually more found on boys.  The girls opt
for more natural hair color and longer lengths.  Girls tend to wear lower but
tops under the sweaters and tighter jeans that accent their femininity.

Social class within the group is demonstrated via visible logos on the clothing.
Designer labels clearly  separate the well-off from the average as the pricing
for these designers is not affordable to the ordinary teen.

It is obvious that this method of dress is an unconscious social statement for
the group.  It is the way they 'belong' and identify with each other.






















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Actually I'm in Canada, near Ottawa Ontario.  It is a small town, but quite a
few of the teens (and some parents) dress this way.  I guess since there are so
many, no one is singled out for wearing this type of clothing.


--- In CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com, misswisc@... wrote:
>
> Where is your daughter's school (region/state is OK...) and what level?
> I find it interesting how school dress "cannons" change around the
> country.
>
> Kristi R-C
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: original_invariance <original_invariance@...>
> To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 2:52 pm
> Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;
>
>
>
>
> I find it interesting, every time I go to my daughter's school to find
> that all of the students are like a sea of mediocrity in their dress.
> Skinny jeans, converse shoes and hooded sweaters are the uniform de
> jour for the girls and are not that different from the way the boys
> dress. They choose muddied colors in browns or grays and it seems that
> there is not much deviance from the routine.
> There are few obvious differences between the boys and the girls. While
> boys express their individuality through such accessories as bright,
> multicolored ball caps, the girls opt for large gaudy jewelry. The
> girls wear heavy make up in dark colors, but the boys are not far
> behind as some of them wear eyeliner too. Few hints of color in the
> whole ensemble seems to be shocks of bold streaks on the sea of black
> heads, usually more found on boys. The girls opt for more natural hair
> color and longer lengths. Girls tend to wear lower but tops under the
> sweaters and tighter jeans that accent their femininity.
> Social class within the group is demonstrated via visible logos on the
> clothing. Designer labels clearly separate the well-off from the
> average as the pricing for these designers is not affordable to the
> ordinary teen.
> It is obvious that this method of dress is an unconscious social
> statement for the group. It is the way they 'belong' and identify with
> each other.
>

Where is your daughter's school (region/state is OK...) and what level?
I find it interesting how school dress "cannons" change around the
country.

Kristi R-C


-----Original Message-----
From: original_invariance <original_invariance@...>
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 2:52 pm
Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] Clothing habits of the locals;




I find it interesting, every time I go to my daughter's school to find
that all of the students are like a sea of mediocrity in their dress.
Skinny jeans, converse shoes and hooded sweaters are the uniform de
jour for the girls and are not that different from the way the boys
dress. They choose muddied colors in browns or grays and it seems that
there is not much deviance from the routine.
There are few obvious differences between the boys and the girls. While
boys express their individuality through such accessories as bright,
multicolored ball caps, the girls opt for large gaudy jewelry. The
girls wear heavy make up in dark colors, but the boys are not far
behind as some of them wear eyeliner too. Few hints of color in the
whole ensemble seems to be shocks of bold streaks on the sea of black
heads, usually more found on boys. The girls opt for more natural hair
color and longer lengths. Girls tend to wear lower but tops under the
sweaters and tighter jeans that accent their femininity.
Social class within the group is demonstrated via visible logos on the
clothing. Designer labels clearly separate the well-off from the
average as the pricing for these designers is not affordable to the
ordinary teen.
It is obvious that this method of dress is an unconscious social
statement for the group. It is the way they 'belong' and identify with
each other.

....without an clear understand of where we as a people have been, we will never
know where we are going.

My favorite style, but hard to pull off without gossip in a town of 12000
people...

--- In CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com, "lisamillen@..." <lisamillen@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Clothing worn by a social group in the area I live
> The Gothic subculture is easily recognisable throughout modern day society.
The use of dramatic and often theatrical attire, coupled with extreme make up,
creates an interesting and intense appearance. The often overstated style of
this genre holds great interest for me and has encouraged me to examine the
different sub groups and styles involved in modern day gothic culture - in
particular the Victorian gothic group
> Paradoxically, despite gothic culture being focussed on individuality, there
is a definite theme involved. Black eyeliner is part of the compulsory gothic
uniform, as well as swathes of velvet, chiffon, satin and lace in the three
primary gothic colours – red, black and purple. This applies regardless of sex
or age.
> Despite being so restrictive, corsets and bodices are worn as an everyday item
by many of the females in this subgroup. Generally these are accompanied by
floor length black skirts, whether a sleek fishtail, or an elaborate bustle or
crinoline skirt. Corsetry is extremely popular amongst this group, and the more
wasp-wasted individuals are often admired and envied by peers who do not share
their tolerance levels.
> Individuality is often expressed through the use of make-up, body piercings
and tattoos. Often a person will have signature eye make-up 'sweeps' or
'flicks', as well as choosing to adorn themselves with visible piercings and
tattoos, which they feel represent their personality.
> The combination of tattoos and piercings, or lack of, as well as make-up style
and the hourglass figure all work together to stamp the person as an individual.
Individuality is highly respected. It elevates the person's desirability and sex
appeal, which is also important to this group. Females especially use the
traditional hour glass figure (emphasised by corsetry and skirt shape) to
attract male or female attention.
> In this genre, clothing for social occasions does not really vary from
everyday attire. For the Victorian Goth the heels may get a little higher, tops
a little lower cut, the makeup heavier and more jewellery will most likely be
worn.  However, as a rule, the Victorian Goth will just as likely be seen
wearing an outfit to the supermarket as to the club.
>

I find it interesting, every time I go to my daughter's school to find that all
of the students are like a sea of mediocrity in their dress.  Skinny jeans,
converse shoes and hooded sweaters are the uniform de jour for the girls and are
not that different from the way the boys dress.  They choose muddied colors in
browns or grays and it seems that there is not much deviance from the routine.
There are few obvious differences between the boys and the girls.  While boys
express their individuality through such accessories as bright, multicolored
ball caps, the girls opt for large gaudy jewelry.  The girls wear heavy make up
in dark colors, but the boys are not far behind as some of them wear eyeliner
too.  Few hints of color in the whole ensemble seems to be shocks of bold
streaks on the sea of black heads, usually more found on boys.  The girls opt
for more natural hair color and longer lengths.  Girls tend to wear lower but
tops under the sweaters and tighter jeans that accent their femininity.
Social class within the group is demonstrated via visible logos on the clothing.
Designer labels clearly  separate the well-off from the average as the pricing
for these designers is not affordable to the ordinary teen.
It is obvious that this method of dress is an unconscious social statement for
the group.  It is the way they 'belong' and identify with each other.

After a short Google search, I found a site that had some pretty good examples
of Ancient Egyptian jewelry;
http://www.khulsey.com/jewelry/jewelry_history_egyptian.html

I found an amazing company who sell Egyptian reproduction jewelry. 
http://egyptianproducts.8m.com/photo_15.html
Their prices are reasonable and the designs are both street and stage worthy. 
They have everything from simple to complex pieces available at incredibly
reasonable prices.

there is a similar group in my area. i used to work for a seamstress that made
Romany bridesmaids dresses. I found however that dominate was used allot more
than sequins and all the girls would want their name in diamante on the trains
of there dresses.
--- In CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com, "nanavin79" <nanavin79@...> wrote:
>
> I moved to Ireland about 8 years ago. The group I looked at a little closer
were the `Irish natives' (how they like to call themselves) or Pavees.
> Now, the Irish are famous for their drinking and their sense of humor, which
they seem to loose when it comes to this `tribe'. The government has put great
effort into settling this group down and is still trying to end their gypsy-like
lifestyle, but there are still groups living in campervans. It is still not
entirely clear where they descended from, but that is not what concerns most
bars, pubs or hotels. It's the violent and destructive behavior displayed whilst
drunk, the numbers they come in and probably the fact that they destroy the
place fighting if given the chance. Funny enough they usually fight amongst
themselves and it's the interior most owners of bars are worried about.
> As I started to work in a pub I was told to be wary of stripy shirts or
jumpers, which seemed to be in fashion within their circles for men. Women
however like to dress provocative, which means to show as much skin as possible
in certain areas. This habit extends to even young girls, who usually were their
hair long.
> Big occasions like weddings and christenings are celebrated with as much money
spent as possible. It's usually a public display and a round through the
community is made before reaching their destination of celebration. A
stretch-limo or Cinderella-style horse drown carriage are just accessories. The
typical wedding dress has as many beads and sequences as fabric and is always
the whitest white. Bridesmaids usually wear a gown just as elaborate but in a
different color, such as red or pink are favorites.
> In every day life women seem to love the comfort of tracksuit pants and
trainers but again the taste for bright colors is apparent, whereas men mainly
wear jeans.
>

I moved to Ireland about 8 years ago. The group I looked at a little closer were
the `Irish natives' (how they like to call themselves) or Pavees.
Now, the Irish are famous for their drinking and their sense of humor, which
they seem to loose when it comes to this `tribe'. The government has put great
effort into settling this group down and is still trying to end their gypsy-like
lifestyle, but there are still groups living in campervans. It is still not
entirely clear where they descended from, but that is not what concerns most
bars, pubs or hotels. It's the violent and destructive behavior displayed whilst
drunk, the numbers they come in and probably the fact that they destroy the
place fighting if given the chance. Funny enough they usually fight amongst
themselves and it's the interior most owners of bars are worried about.
As I started to work in a pub I was told to be wary of stripy shirts or jumpers,
which seemed to be in fashion within their circles for men. Women however like
to dress provocative, which means to show as much skin as possible in certain
areas. This habit extends to even young girls, who usually were their hair long.
Big occasions like weddings and christenings are celebrated with as much money
spent as possible. It's usually a public display and a round through the
community is made before reaching their destination of celebration. A
stretch-limo or Cinderella-style horse drown carriage are just accessories. The
typical wedding dress has as many beads and sequences as fabric and is always
the whitest white. Bridesmaids usually wear a gown just as elaborate but in a
different color, such as red or pink are favorites.
In every day life women seem to love the comfort of tracksuit pants and trainers
but again the taste for bright colors is apparent, whereas men mainly wear
jeans.

Hi Lisa,
If you find the Gothic Subculture fascinating then you would also find the
emerging "Steampunk" subculture just as fascinating. They base their costuming
off of Victorian as well with a more diversified twist. They include colors
other than black and the" Victorian adventure" look is pretty relevent. Think
20,000 leagues under the sea or League of extraordinary gentlemen. It is loosely
based off of most Jules Vern Novels and is just coming into its own. Alot of
mechanical implements are added to the costuming to make it distinctive. You can
research it on the web and Youtube.
Happy Hunting!
Missie

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, lisamillen@... <lisamillen@...>
wrote:

From: lisamillen@... <lisamillen@...>
Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] Week 1 part 2
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:53 PM







 











Clothing worn by a social group in the area I live

The Gothic subculture is easily recognisable throughout modern day society. The
use of dramatic and often theatrical attire, coupled with extreme make up,
creates an interesting and intense appearance. The often overstated style of
this genre holds great interest for me and has encouraged me to examine the
different sub groups and styles involved in modern day gothic culture - in
particular the Victorian gothic group

Paradoxically, despite gothic culture being focussed on individuality, there is
a definite theme involved. Black eyeliner is part of the compulsory gothic
uniform, as well as swathes of velvet, chiffon, satin and lace in the three
primary gothic colours – red, black and purple. This applies regardless of sex
or age.

Despite being so restrictive, corsets and bodices are worn as an everyday item
by many of the females in this subgroup. Generally these are accompanied by
floor length black skirts, whether a sleek fishtail, or an elaborate bustle or
crinoline skirt. Corsetry is extremely popular amongst this group, and the more
wasp-wasted individuals are often admired and envied by peers who do not share
their tolerance levels.

Individuality is often expressed through the use of make-up, body piercings and
tattoos. Often a person will have signature eye make-up 'sweeps' or 'flicks', as
well as choosing to adorn themselves with visible piercings and tattoos, which
they feel represent their personality.

The combination of tattoos and piercings, or lack of, as well as make-up style
and the hourglass figure all work together to stamp the person as an individual.
Individuality is highly respected. It elevates the person's desirability and sex
appeal, which is also important to this group. Females especially use the
traditional hour glass figure (emphasised by corsetry and skirt shape) to
attract male or female attention.

In this genre, clothing for social occasions does not really vary from everyday
attire. For the Victorian Goth the heels may get a little higher, tops a little
lower cut, the makeup heavier and more jewellery will most likely be worn. 
However, as a rule, the Victorian Goth will just as likely be seen wearing an
outfit to the supermarket as to the club.






















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Clothing worn by a social group in the area I live
The Gothic subculture is easily recognisable throughout modern day society. The
use of dramatic and often theatrical attire, coupled with extreme make up,
creates an interesting and intense appearance. The often overstated style of
this genre holds great interest for me and has encouraged me to examine the
different sub groups and styles involved in modern day gothic culture - in
particular the Victorian gothic group
Paradoxically, despite gothic culture being focussed on individuality, there is
a definite theme involved. Black eyeliner is part of the compulsory gothic
uniform, as well as swathes of velvet, chiffon, satin and lace in the three
primary gothic colours – red, black and purple. This applies regardless of sex
or age.
Despite being so restrictive, corsets and bodices are worn as an everyday item
by many of the females in this subgroup. Generally these are accompanied by
floor length black skirts, whether a sleek fishtail, or an elaborate bustle or
crinoline skirt. Corsetry is extremely popular amongst this group, and the more
wasp-wasted individuals are often admired and envied by peers who do not share
their tolerance levels.
Individuality is often expressed through the use of make-up, body piercings and
tattoos. Often a person will have signature eye make-up 'sweeps' or 'flicks', as
well as choosing to adorn themselves with visible piercings and tattoos, which
they feel represent their personality.
The combination of tattoos and piercings, or lack of, as well as make-up style
and the hourglass figure all work together to stamp the person as an individual.
Individuality is highly respected. It elevates the person's desirability and sex
appeal, which is also important to this group. Females especially use the
traditional hour glass figure (emphasised by corsetry and skirt shape) to
attract male or female attention.
In this genre, clothing for social occasions does not really vary from everyday
attire. For the Victorian Goth the heels may get a little higher, tops a little
lower cut, the makeup heavier and more jewellery will most likely be worn. 
However, as a rule, the Victorian Goth will just as likely be seen wearing an
outfit to the supermarket as to the club.

My interest in fashion history started from a very young age. I was memorised by
a book my grandmother had with plate illustrations of historical fashion from
1700s-1920s. For years, I looked at the plates, read, and reread that book. As I
got older I realised I was so interested in fashion history not just for the
clothes but also for the story each dress or suite told about the wearer and the
culture that the wearer lived in and the personality of each style.

There are a lot of great book that you can look up History of Fashion is one if
your library carries it.

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, Mina Vang <mina_vang@...> wrote:

From: Mina Vang <mina_vang@...>
Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] (unknown)
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:04 AM






 





                   I need information on the history of fashion and clothing and
how's it has changed through the years.



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I need information on the history of fashion and clothing and how's it has
changed through the years.




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Thanks for the information. How fortunate that you have a piece of family
history.
Missie

--- On Wed, 10/28/09, chardellj <chardellj@...> wrote:

From: chardellj <chardellj@...>
Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] Re: victorian mens dressing gowns
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:33 AM






 









--- In CostumeHistoryClass @yahoogroups. com, "missie" <mis2misu@.. .> wrote:

>

> Does anyone know if the men's dressing gown from the victorian period would
have been lined? I am making costuming for my boyfriend and we attend Dickens on
the Strand in Galveston. I have found a man's dressing gown pattern from that
period. It does not say if it is lined.

>

Hi Missie,

Yes the gown would be lined, i have one of my grandfathers dressing gowns from
the late 1800's (maybe just a little after the core of the Victorian era) and it
is silk on the outside lined with satin and very elegant.




























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Thanks for the info. It shall be lined in silk but not quilted.
Missie

--- On Wed, 10/28/09, jason lyon <jasonlyonnyc@...> wrote:

From: jason lyon <jasonlyonnyc@...>
Subject: Re: [CostumeHistoryClass] Re: victorian mens dressing gowns
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:29 PM






 





                   Yes. I have an antique dressing gown and it is actually lined
and quilted, with the quilted section coming around to the lapels. Very warm and
luxurious on those cold mornings, sad though to the condition of that 100 year
old silk.  I have also seen lightweight shorter "smoking" jackets made of a
single layer of heavy wool which is bound with the braided silk trim often found
edging victorian men's day wear. 



--- On Wed, 10/28/09, chardellj <chardellj@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: chardellj <chardellj@yahoo. com>

Subject: [CostumeHistoryClas s] Re: victorian mens dressing gowns

To: CostumeHistoryClass @yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:33 PM



 



--- In CostumeHistoryClass @yahoogroups. com, "missie" <mis2misu@.. .> wrote:



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> Does anyone know if the men's dressing gown from the victorian period would
have been lined? I am making costuming for my boyfriend and we attend Dickens on
the Strand in Galveston. I have found a man's dressing gown pattern from that
period. It does not say if it is lined.



>



Hi Missie,



Yes the gown would be lined, i have one of my grandfathers dressing gowns from
the late 1800's (maybe just a little after the core of the Victorian era) and it
is silk on the outside lined with satin and very elegant.





























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Yes. I have an antique dressing gown and it is actually lined and quilted, with
the quilted section coming around to the lapels. Very warm and luxurious on
those cold mornings, sad though to the condition of that 100 year old silk.  I
have also seen lightweight shorter "smoking" jackets made of a single layer of
heavy wool which is bound with the braided silk trim often found edging
victorian men's day wear. 

--- On Wed, 10/28/09, chardellj <chardellj@...> wrote:

From: chardellj <chardellj@...>
Subject: [CostumeHistoryClass] Re: victorian mens dressing gowns
To: CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:33 PM













 









--- In CostumeHistoryClass @yahoogroups. com, "missie" <mis2misu@.. .> wrote:

>

> Does anyone know if the men's dressing gown from the victorian period would
have been lined? I am making costuming for my boyfriend and we attend Dickens on
the Strand in Galveston. I have found a man's dressing gown pattern from that
period. It does not say if it is lined.

>

Hi Missie,

Yes the gown would be lined, i have one of my grandfathers dressing gowns from
the late 1800's (maybe just a little after the core of the Victorian era) and it
is silk on the outside lined with satin and very elegant.






























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--- In CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com, "waterserpantiii" <esiuol_ennud@...>
wrote:
>
> .... fashion today is one of the ways we as humans express our individualism
(and keep warm). But fashion trends are dictated by the big fashion houses in
Paris/ New York etc. so really we are quiet limited in our choices. I am
interested in the psychology of fashion and trends. Historically, what dictated
fashion trends? In recent history wars were a definate player but there must be
other factors.
>


I'm not sure I would agree that fashion is dictated by the big fashion houses
any longer.  I think it is often the reverse in that they look to the street to
see what's new, what's being worn and what the trends are.  Those Houses are
often unrealistic as well.  Look at Laggerfield's recent statement that it's
just fat women being jealous of skinny models when referring to the recent
issues over model sizes.  Charles Worth certainly did not drape his fabrics on
sticks and proclaim that art.  He worked with real women and real figures.  As
much smoke and mirrors as today's high fashion houses are, they really have no
lasting substance on fashion in today's world, in my opinion.

I also do not agree that people in general are limited in their choices.  Maybe
a decade ago, but with the internet, you can log on and buy any kind of clothing
from nearly any where in the world.  From gorgeous, authentic Indian saris to
Lolita dresses or grunge or Lands End and Ralph Lauren.  The choices for dress
are limited only by your credit card and your imagination now!

Lastly, historically, I would say what really influances the later fashions
would be key historical figures.  Marie Antionette, Queen Victoria, Josephine
Bonoparte, these are just three off the top of my head that I can think of that
had major and lasting influences on fashion in their day.  Another factor would
be science, as odd as that sounds.  Look at the use of color in fabrics when
synthetic dyes were discovered and widely produced.

Just a few thoughts and I hope they help!

Kem

--- In CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com, "missie" <mis2misu@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the men's dressing gown from the victorian period would
have been lined? I am making costuming for my boyfriend and we attend Dickens on
the Strand in Galveston. I have found a man's dressing gown pattern from that
period. It does not say if it is lined.
>
Hi Missie,
Yes the gown would be lined, i have one of my grandfathers dressing gowns from
the late 1800's (maybe just a little after the core of the Victorian era) and it
is silk on the outside lined with satin and very elegant.

I loved constructing my own clothes when I was preteen/teenager because I could
get more bang for my buck and it was a great escape.  I attended FIT in NYC and
discovered the world of textiles and design.  Paying my bills took my attention
away from clothes until I lived in Tokyo for a few years and my interest was
renewed by the exciting things happening in Tokyo with textiles and youthful
expression through clothes.  I now work as a social worker and thought this
class would be a great way to forget about the troubles I see all day and remind
me of an early love - clothing, textiles ad self expression.

.... fashion today is one of the ways we as humans express our individualism
(and keep warm). But fashion trends are dictated by the big fashion houses in
Paris/ New York etc. so really we are quiet limited in our choices. I am
interested in the psychology of fashion and trends. Historically, what dictated
fashion trends? In recent history wars were a definate player but there must be
other factors.

Does anyone know if the men's dressing gown from the victorian period would have
been lined? I am making costuming for my boyfriend and we attend Dickens on the
Strand in Galveston. I have found a man's dressing gown pattern from that
period. It does not say if it is lined.

Hi all,
I'm interested in learning about the history of fashion because I am a costume
coordinator for our local high school, and I love sewing historical and movie
costumes.  I look forward to learning from and working with all of you.  wendy

Hi all,
Nice to be part of your group.  I look forward to learning a lot from you all.
wendy






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I actually got to know a few people out of this kind of group - if they have the
same motivations that is. The 'uniform' sounds the same and it is funny how
open-mindedness can break down walls, the shared drink might have had a bit of
impact too. From how I understood it, it was all about provoking the middle
class, waking them up and making them see that we are too focused on material
matters.






--- In CostumeHistoryClass@yahoogroups.com, "read_good" <moraeaflower@...>
wrote:
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> I live in a Ville in the South East of the US. Many different people come here
from cowboys to mountain dwelling hippy folk. This is a tourist and college town
so we see all kinds of fashions.
> Apart from everyone else, the group that stands out the most to me attire
themselves in wears that are supposed to distinguish them as the
anti-fashionables. They are labeled as "the anarchists". They roam around town
in packs wearing black leather boots, swathed in black-ish rags and pulling
along puppies tied up with climbing rope. The members appear to have subscribed
to a very specific uniform. It looks like early New England punk (dominating
presence of black clothing, political patches, studs and garments held together
with pins and deliberately visible stitching) mixed with the filth factor of
what one may think of when imagining a metropolitan homeless person (I mean no
offense by this!). This is probably because of the notion of only washing when
one must. There are also elements of what I call "vagabond chic" that goes with
those who travel; an army knapsack, canteens attached to the hip with a
carabineer, possibly a slice of rolled up foam for sleeping. Of course this is a
huge generalization of this group as a whole but I feel like there are specific
details of dress that those in this town use to distinguish themselves and to
proclaim their chosen social position.
> I think the look is also about a level of androgyny.  But I see girls still
playing up attributes of their femininity ( I think it must be natural
instinct?), like exposing a flirtatious shoulder through a slashed t-shirt or
some wild flowers behind the ear and I've even seen a few girls with very short
( and very provocative!) utility mini-skirts over pants. I have observed that
both males and females mostly done casual attire.
> Physical adornment appears to be the preferred method of individualization ( I
mean, in what grouping isn't it?) and it works. Through little details I can see
how members of the scene feel even  more different and they can also express
their deeper personal tastes to the outside communities. I notice a lot of
unusual and distinctive piercing on the face and body, also a lot of "ear
plugs", scarification and tattooing. I have seen hair dyed into bright and
unusual colors as well as styles that are against the norm like 1 dreadlock
sticking out from the top of a guys head or a shaved head with just the bangs
left and then dyed lime green! But I have also seen a more mature women with
long hair down to their butts, with no tattoos or piercing, but wearing all
black.
> Although the clothes represent the social position of this community
outwardly, I have yet to get the impression that what they wear represents a
status with-in their group. Wearing the accepted fashion in whatever state it
may be (ripped, grungy...)proclaims ones participation in the movement as a
whole. I find it very interesting because I imagine that anyone with this look
could go anywhere in the world and immediately connect with a community just
through costume ID.
>

the art of draping fabric onto a body is very abstract and I always had the
problem with loosing myself in the possibilities of it. I hope to find and
strengthen my own style and path as a designer by researching the way people
expressed their individuality over the last centuries.

The Mom Uniform

It seems a rite of passage that all moms rearing their young don the "mom
uniform". They feel they must wear the appropriate clothing to facilitate their
daily duties. Unfortunately, that tends to be the ubiquitous T-shirt and
ill-fitting jeans. Add to that the common sneaker or foam flip-flops and you
have the very picture of the mom-on-the-go.

With little time for themselves moms need clothing that is easy to wear and easy
to care for. Everything she wears is made to stand up to baby spit, sticky
fingers, mud, and pet dander. It is appropriately functional, highly cleanable,
cheaply replaceable…and boring.

It seems that for some, the mom uniform becomes their coat of arms, their
mantra, their badge of honor. It is used to proudly display to the community
that they have a job too. They are raising children.  They celebrate the fact
that they are training the next generation, and they don't need silk and high
heels to accomplish it. They march their young through grocery aisles with their
flip-flops flapping loudly.  They hold tiny hands and wipe runny noses, they
change diapers and find lost shoes. In their bags they carry every first aid
item they may need, along with snacks, toys, crayons, and wet wipes. They have a
job to do and they are proud to do it, no matter what they're wearing.

The celebration of self is put on hold. There is no individuality in the mom
uniform. There is no sex appeal. One mom looks very much like the next.  The
only social status within a group of moms is the mom-to-be. The expectant mother
is given all due attention and advice. And once the baby arrives, the cute
maternity clothes are put away and the mom uniform imerges.