Recent article at Wired.Com expresses concern of collectors who made
Ebay what it is today about how Ebay has changed (see
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,53233,00.html). One of the
interesting things it mentions is drop in prices ("Prices of
collectibles on eBay dropped 11 percent in May from last year and 25
percent from 2000") and drop in sell-through rate ("the percentage of
listed items that sold -- was 55 percent last month, down from 72
percent in 2000"). I'm thinking I can see this in Conder auctions -
prices for average items seem lower than last summer and sales seem a
little flat - I've not made a buy myself for some while.

Any thoughts on online auctions for Conders? Prices? Changes in
collector interest?

Eric

----- Original Message -----

From: theartdog

To: Conders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:25 PM

Subject: [Conders] Re: Other English tokens of the era.

Mike

Speaking of questions -- what's the chances of you of you "hosting" a
chat session for the group to answer questions or just for general
discussion? And if so -- what's a good time?

Eric
--- In Conders@y..., Mike and Nancy Grogan <mngrogan@c...> wrote:
> My website lists standard references for most groups of early
British tokens, I'll be glad to try to answer additional specific
questions... Mike www.grogantokens.org
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: cheshire_wayne
>   To: Conders@y...
>   Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:14 AM
>   Subject: [Conders] Other English tokens of the era.
>
>
>   What is a good reference for all the other tokens issued from
1797 to
>   1821?  Lots of copper, silver, and gold tokens were issued by the
>   Bank of England and private parties.  My conder token collection
has
>   grown to include many of these.  Now I need the book.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Wayne
>
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Mike

Speaking of questions -- what's the chances of you of you "hosting" a
chat session for the group to answer questions or just for general
discussion? And if so -- what's a good time?

Eric
--- In Conders@y..., Mike and Nancy Grogan <mngrogan@c...> wrote:
> My website lists standard references for most groups of early
British tokens, I'll be glad to try to answer additional specific
questions... Mike www.grogantokens.org
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: cheshire_wayne
>   To: Conders@y...
>   Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:14 AM
>   Subject: [Conders] Other English tokens of the era.
>
>
>   What is a good reference for all the other tokens issued from
1797 to
>   1821?  Lots of copper, silver, and gold tokens were issued by the
>   Bank of England and private parties.  My conder token collection
has
>   grown to include many of these.  Now I need the book.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Wayne
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: cheshire_wayne

To: Conders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:14 AM

Subject: [Conders] Other English tokens of the era.

What is a good reference for all the other tokens issued from 1797 to
1821?  Lots of copper, silver, and gold tokens were issued by the
Bank of England and private parties.  My conder token collection has
grown to include many of these.  Now I need the book.

Thanks,
Wayne



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What is a good reference for all the other tokens issued from 1797 to
1821?  Lots of copper, silver, and gold tokens were issued by the
Bank of England and private parties.  My conder token collection has
grown to include many of these.  Now I need the book.

Thanks,
Wayne

I like that "tangible history with interesting, artistic expressions
of their times" reason Silkie gave in regards to "why collect
Conders". I'm thinking it was something like that for myself but
don't think I could have expressed it so well.

And it was really last year's set sale by Joel that pushed me over
the edge. Hadn't yet bought a D&H or any thing by Bell so his catalog
was my first glimpse of the rich variety of tokens that were
available.

  --- In Conders@y..., "ynips7" <spin1@o...> wrote:
> I have been collecting conders for many years and I am a founding
> member of the Conder Token Collectors Club.  I have collected a
> number of different series of numismatics but if I had to choose
one
> series, it would be the Conders for the most beautiful, and the
most
> interesting bits of numismatica available and lets not forget the
> quality that can be obtained at relativly low cost to other series.
> Joel

The June issue of Steve Hill's Monthly Numismatic Report for Spink
can be read at:
http://www.spinkandson.com/rel2/newsletters/mnr-200206.shtml

I started collecting coins 28 years ago.  First Lincoln cents, then
everything, but for a kid, old US coins are expensive, and modern
ones are boring.  World coins were better.  I could buy unsorted
coins by the pound or 5 pound box for a few bucks.  Lots of old stuff
from around the world.

Great Britain became my specialty.  That lead to Conders and the
other tokens struck around the turn of the 19th century.  WOW! What a
varity.  Instead of an album with 200 heads of Lincoln staring at
you, everyone was exciting and different.

At the MSNS spring show, I've taken second place two years in a row
for my collection of Conder tokens, in the Token catagory.  I'm now
revamping my display, and I plan to take first place at the fall show.

Wayne

Hi all
Glad to see memebership numbers rising! Just a quick note to blatantly
plug my Conder sales on Ebay which finish tommorow, Sunday June 2.
Check them out via the link below or see the link in the
excellent "Bookmarks" section on the left-hand menu.
cheers
Stuart

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=stupid.smart

I have been collecting conders for many years and I am a founding
member of the Conder Token Collectors Club.  I have collected a
number of different series of numismatics but if I had to choose one
series, it would be the Conders for the most beautiful, and the most
interesting bits of numismatica available and lets not forget the
quality that can be obtained at relativly low cost to other series.
Joel

Hello,

Thanks for the invitation to the group.  I have been collecting
Conder's for about 5 or 6 years.  I am a member of C-4 and EAC and
primarily do quite a bit of research on counterfeit 1/2d and 1/4d as
well as evasion (bungtown) issue.  Look forward to see what will be
dicussed in this group as well as expanding my knowledge of Conder
tokens.

Take care........Ray

Another book not mentioned before is the classic,

BROWN, Laurence - The Catalogue of British Historical Medals 1760-
1960; Vol. I The Accession of George III to the Death of William IV.

This book is actually what alerted me to the existence of "Conders".
I was cross-referencing an odd little copper medal on my site in this
book when it mentioned Dalton & Hamer [ :) ]. Great, I thought, a new
book! Little did I know... ;)

Great to be here,
Vern
http://www.napoleonicmedals.org

A quick check using title search at eBAY today shows 1357 hits
on "conder" with nothing even close to a token on the first screen
while "condor token" gets 17 hits, "conder" gets 73 hits and "conder
token" gets 45 hits.

I have to think the listings should be "conder" but have modified my
search string (and the one in the bookmarks of this group) to
include "condor" because it looks like I might actually be missing
some auctions.

--- In Conders@y..., "stupid_smart1" <stupid.smart@n...> wrote:
> I would like to start a campaign to stop people calling them Condor
> Tokens. This is completely incorrect. James Conder, who was the
first to
> attempt to catalogue these little beauties,  would be turning in
his grave!

DNW site states that "the numismatic books and periodicals in this
auction include a further 73 lots of token publications from the
Preston-Morley library, and volumes from other properties."

This link should take you directly to the auction search page:

http://www.dnw.co.uk/dnw/coins/FMPro?-db=Specific%20Auction%
20Details&-lay=MasterList&-
format=SearchForthcomingCoins.htm&ForthcomingSalesCoinsFormatted=a...&
-find

Hello all,
Thanks to theartdog for starting this group. I'm sure it will be very useful
entertaining and enlightening for all involved.
I would like to start a campaign to stop people calling them Condor
Tokens. This is completely incorrect. James Conder, who was the first to
attempt to catalogue these little beauties,  would be turning in his grave!
I don't know where the Condor term started but it seems to be gathering
momentum. Indeed one of the best online stockists of Conders (maybe
a little pricey!) , Falmouth Stamps & Coins  ...
http://www.coinsandstamps.com/foreigncoins/britishtokens/british_condor_to
kens.htm
has recently changed all it's listings to Condor rather than Conder.
Unfortunately I am also to blame . I list some tokens on ebay as
Condor to receive as wide as possible exposure, but I will resist this
from now on to add weight to the campaign!
Condors are South American birds who fly to the sound of pan-pipes not
18th Century British Tokens.
kind regards
Stuart
(Stupid.Smart)
Why not check out my Conder listings on ebay....
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=stupid.smart

I've added bookmarks to Charles Davis Numismatic Literature auctions
on eBAY; Barnes and Noble Out of Print,Used and Rare Books; and
Powell's Rare and Collectible Books for those persons looking for
books on Conders.

I've modified the Group settings so messages and bookmarks (which can
only be posted by members) are viewable by the public. I'm thinking
this is needed to give the public the ability to use the site without
becoming a member, and to give prospective members more info so that
they can make a more informed decison about joining group.

My Ebay auction for the above token ends tomorrow about 1:30 PM.  It
can be found in Ebay under the 1/2 pence British grouping.

There are a number of tools available in Yahoo groups that I think
will be very helpful to sharing info on Conders.

Messages: Anyone can post. I'm hoping that posts that point people to
websites are supplemented with also posting info on that website to
the Bookmarks section.

Bookmarks: Any links you think group members need to know about? Your
site? Your auctions? Your set sale? Conder background? Post it here.

Photos: Good place to put pics for help with identifying tkens? Good
place to put a picture of yourself, your cat or dog or whatever if
you are so inclined.

Chat: I'm hoping we can schedule some group discussions or "lectures"
that all can participate in.

Instant Messaging: Better than email in many ways because its "real
time". Add theartdog to your Yahoo IM buddy list.

Calendar: Show dates? Auction dates?

Please feel free to invite eBay dealers you have dealt with - I've
just recently extended invites to several that I've bought from - in
many cases they are also collectors.

You should be able to post bookmarks to homepages of dealers under
bookmarks.

I'd very much like to encourage the dealers to set up bookmark link
to their auctions as well as their homepages.

--- In Conders@y..., "ladycoin1999" <ladycoin@a...> wrote:
> Thank you for suggesting this site-  I just joined tonight.  I am
> only a few years into Conder tokens but find them fascinating.
There
> are a few eBay dealers with web sites that I can recommend if you
are
> interested, and perhaps you can suggest some to me ?
> - Cyndra  (ladycoin@a...)

Thank you for suggesting this site-  I just joined tonight.  I am
only a few years into Conder tokens but find them fascinating. There
are a few eBay dealers with web sites that I can recommend if you are
interested, and perhaps you can suggest some to me ?
- Cyndra  (ladycoin@...)

ACKROYD PETER London: The Biography
BREWER, JOHN The Pleasures of the Imagination: English Culture in the
Eighteenth Century
HANCOCK DAVID Citizens of the World: London Merchants and the
Integration of the British Atlantic Community, 1735-1785
OLSEN, KIRSTIN Daily Life in 18th-Century England (Greenwood
Press 'Daily Life Through History' Series)
PICARD, LIZA Dr. Johnson's London : Coffee-Houses and Climbing Boys,
Medicine, Toothpaste and Gin, Poverty and Press-Gangs, Freakshows and
Female Education
RIBEIRO, AILEEN The Art of Dress : Fashion in England and France 1750
to 1820

ATKINS, J. The Tradesmen's Tokens of the Eighteenth Century. 1892
BELL, R.C. Commercial Coins 1787-1804
BELL, R.C. Copper Commercial Coins 1811-1819
BELL, R.C. Tradesmen's Tickets and Private Tokens
BELL, R.C. Specious Tokens & those struck for General Circulation
BELL, R.C. The Building Medalets of Kempson and Skidmore 1796-1797
BELL, R.C. Political and Commerative Pieces Simulating Tradesmen's
Tokens
DALTON, R. & HAMER, S.H. The Provincial Token Coinage of the 18th
Century. (1910-1918). Reprinted with prefatory update, 1990.
Introductory notes and additions, 1996 by Allan Davisson)
HENDERSON, A. Hop Tokens of Kent and Sussex and their Issuers.
London, 1990.
SCHWER, S.E. Price Guide to 18th Century Tokens. 1984. Vi, 182 pages,
illustrated throughout. Valuations. Card covers.

I'm back online and ready to put some energy into promoting this
group. To start, I've added a number of links under Bookmarks that I
think you may find useful.

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