Chris and Jeff-

Count me in...I'm up for either...I have paddled Deckers but have
never paddled Foxton, however I am pretty confident I can handle
it...Whatever you guys decide I am up for either!

Nate

Hi there!  Does anyone have a G-Ride?  What do you think of it?  I'm
considering either a G-Ride demo or an older EZ.  I'm 5'3" 130lbs and
on the beginner side.  What do you guys think?

I have a G-Ride.  I like it a lot.  It is my first and only boat, but
I thought it was good to learn on.  Like someone else commented it is
a little sluggish.  I'm 5'3 and 165 and the 6.2 fits great.  I hate
the outfitting however.   I've been planning on replacing since day 1
just haven't done so yet.  I have the 1st year g-ride, I think the
outfitting improved the next year.  At your weight the boat should be
much more friendly.  Demo one if you can.  You welcome to try mine
sometime if I can ever get out.

-Leo
--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Megan" <sapphirestar20@y...>
wrote:
> Hi there!  Does anyone have a G-Ride?  What do you think of it?  I'm
> considering either a G-Ride demo or an older EZ.  I'm 5'3" 130lbs
and
> on the beginner side.  What do you guys think?

----- Original Message -----

From: lennienoiles

To: Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:09 AM

Subject: [Coloradokayakers] Re: AAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Hold off on the paddle float.
Before you go backwards try slowing down.
This works great if you are using a sweep roll.
I found when working on my roll over the winter, if I did my rolls in slow motion
everything fell into place. The super slowmo helps you not rely on your paddle as a lever
but makes your hip snap do its magic. Remember to keep your head down. When doing
the slow motion practice keep your eyes focussed on your paddle blade the entire time
(this means opening your eyes under water or wearing goggles). As you roll, follow the
blade around with your head & eyes to the stern of your boat. See just how slow you can
go. From set-up to completion should take about 5 seconds. Thats a long time under the
water and moving really slow. Once you put the pieces together in slowmo, you can
gradually increase your speed to a normal level. The Paddle float is great for learning the
position & motion of the paddle. But if you continually succeed with the float and fail with
out it, you are using the buoyancy as a lever. This translates into a sinking paddle without
the float. Watching your paddle blade in slowmo helps keep your blade parallel to the
surface.
Good luck, let me know if this works for you.
lennie

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Megan" <sapphirestar20@y...>
wrote:
> Hi there!  Does anyone have a G-Ride?  What do you think of it?  I'm
> considering either a G-Ride demo or an older EZ.  I'm 5'3" 130lbs
and
> on the beginner side.  What do you guys think?
Meagen I have a g-ride! have paddled it for a year now and I love it
the only problem is the boat is realy slow! meaning it is a slug on
flat water an it's a little harder to get into features to surf and
play! as far as river running it's really good, resurfaces great and
stays on line well! I have learned to stern squirt it but it's harder
to get the bow down for bow stalls that probably has more to do with
my lack of skill than the boat! But for a short little spud it's
really comfy and the outfitting is really easy to adjust! If you have
any other quetions e-mail me randy.pracht@... be glad to a
answer what I can. I have the 6.5 I am 511 200# and it fits me fine!

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Megan" <sapphirestar20@y...>
wrote:
> Hi there!  Does anyone have a G-Ride?  What do you think of it?  I'm
> considering either a G-Ride demo or an older EZ.  I'm 5'3" 130lbs
and
> on the beginner side.  What do you guys think?
Meagen I have a g-ride! have paddled it for a year now and I love it
the only problem is the boat is realy slow! meaning it is a slug on
flat water an it's a little harder to get into features to surf and
play! as far as river running it's really good, resurfaces great and
stays on line well! I have learned to stern squirt it but it's harder
to get the bow down for bow stalls that probably has more to do with
my lack of skill than the boat! But for a short little spud it's
really comfy and the outfitting is really easy to adjust! If you have
any other quetions e-mail me randy.pracht@... be glad to a
answer what I can. I have the 6.2 I am 511 200# and it fits me fine!

I work by quail lake, and I'm off work at 3 most days.  Anytime after 3
works great for me for still-water practice.  I just need a day or
two's notice.

I'm up your some practice rolling.
just give me a shout and hopefully I can make it

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
<heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> What lake and what days/times?
> I'm looking for practice spots and partners.

I'm up your some practice rolling.
just give me a shout and hopefully I can make it

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
<heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> What lake and what days/times?
> I'm looking for practice spots and partners.

Hi there!  Does anyone have a G-Ride?  What do you think of it?  I'm
considering either a G-Ride demo or an older EZ.  I'm 5'3" 130lbs and
on the beginner side.  What do you guys think?

anybody wanna camp & paddle the ark this weekend?

What lake and what days/times?
I'm looking for practice spots and partners.

I'd be up to run Foxton after work on Friday.  I pretty much make my
own schedule, so after work can be any time after 3:00.

Clint

On 5/31/05, Christopher Cook <cookler_1@...> wrote:
>  Calling all interested yakers.  I think that Jeff and I are planning on
>  running one of these areas this friday.  We would be happy to base it on
>  consensus on number of boaters, levels of those boaters etc.  we have both
>  ran deckers chutes from pine creeks road to the foot bridge takeout, and
> are
>  fairly comfortable with the lines, eddies to scope the chutes etc...  we
> ran
>  this two weeks ago with annie, eryn, steven, jeff and myself and had a
> grand
>  time.  let me know, and we can start getting some logistics set...
>
>  later,
>
>  chris (who's ass got kicked on the eagle 2200 cfs at 6.2 feet)
>
>  and has been humbled....HA!!!!
>
>
>
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Yes there is potential for foot entrapment. Just like with any river at any
level there is potential for danger. Get knocked out by hitting your head when
you miss a brace in the middle of a drop, dislocate a shoulder trying a high
brace, there are many scenarios.

I usually stay of strings which have "debate" potential, but I felt the
responsibility to join in. This is a new guy asking for good advice.

Always go with a friend or dont get into the water until you have someone else
there with you. Just my 2 cents worth.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kovsky <dwk@...>
Sent: Jun 1, 2005 5:50 AM
To: Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Coloradokayakers] Re: New Kayaker

I've never been there. With waist-deep water, is there any potential for
a foot entrapment? What about wood?

Scott wrote:

> It's always safer to boat with others to fetch gear, help with T-
> rescues, moral support, etc.
> That being said I go there alone all the time, But I grew up
> swimming in moving water. Its down the street from my house, at
> flows between 250-400 its like waist deep and easy to get to shore,
> above that it's a bit of a swim but not bad I've swam it at 850cfs
> more than once.
> Post when you want to go and I'll meet you but it needs to be
> flowing at least 175 to have water!!!
>
> --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
> <heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> > Are you suggesting it's safe to go alone there and just go down,
> walk
> > up, repeat, to practice?  Sounds reasonable actually.  I just
> didn't
> > think of it being safe.
> >
> >
> > --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <rasdoggy@a...>
> wrote:
> > > Hey Dane
> > > Welcome to the group. A good place to work on your skills you
> have
> > > already been to, the 2nd little drop at the putin on
> 470&S.Platte I
> > > call it the 470hole it has a nice long swim out till you get the
> > > roll and gets you used to moving water with a little drop to
> work on
> > > eddying and peel outs,I go there alot to play look for my posts
> > > about going there it.
> > > Also the S.Platte at Deckers above The Chutes is like the part
> of
> > > the S.Platte you ran with out the drops if you get out before
> the
> > > Chutes.
> > > --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
> > > <heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I found out about your yahoo group (and PPWW group) through
> > > MountainBuzz.
> > > >
> > > > I just completed (so to speak) two days of instruction through
> > > > Confluence Kayaks shop in Denver, the first day on Chatfield
> Lake
> > > and
> > > > the second on the Platte somewhere down by C470 (ending at
> Platte
> > > > River B&G).  I did my share of swimming on the Platte, but I
> liked
> > > it,
> > > > and I got a deal on a used Dagger Honcho, so I bought it.
> > > >
> > > > Now I've got the bug to practice paddling (in a straight line
> at
> > > some
> > > > point, let's hope) and to keep practicing my C-to-C roll,
> because I
> > > > want to be able to do the roll at a minimum to help take care
> of
> > > > myself before I start rivers.
> > > >
> > > > I'm set to repeat the Platte river instruction course in two
> weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Meantime, I was planning on doing paddling, wet exits, and if
> I'm
> > > > lucky, rolls down on Quail Lake which is right by where I work.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone ever has something for a very modest beginner,
> please
> > > feel
> > > > free to holler at me.
> > > >
> > > > I'm 36 and in relatively good shape, though I think my core
> muscles
> > > > are very weak compared to my lower half (I'm a mountain biker
> > > amateur
> > > > too).  I'm not ready for anything tougher than what I saw on
> the
> > > > Platte, but I do want to learn and practice regularly toward
> the
> > > > aforementioned goals.
> > > >
> > > > Dane Patterson
> > > > The springs
>
>
>
>
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Hold off on the paddle float.
Before you go backwards try slowing down.
This works great if you are using a sweep roll.
I found when working on my roll over the winter, if I did my rolls in slow
motion
everything fell into place. The super slowmo helps you not rely on your paddle
as a lever
but makes your hip snap do its magic. Remember to keep your head down. When
doing
the slow motion practice keep your eyes focussed on your paddle blade the entire
time
(this means opening your eyes under water or wearing goggles). As you roll,
follow the
blade around with your head & eyes to the stern of your boat. See just how slow
you can
go. From set-up to completion should take about 5 seconds. Thats a long time
under the
water and moving really slow. Once you put the pieces together in slowmo, you
can
gradually increase your speed to a normal level. The Paddle float is great for
learning the
position & motion of the paddle. But if you continually succeed with the float
and fail with
out it, you are using the buoyancy as a lever. This translates into a sinking
paddle without
the float. Watching your paddle blade in slowmo helps keep your blade parallel
to the
surface.
Good luck, let me know if this works for you.
lennie

Still can't roll I've got the parts just not the timing!!! Back to the
lake with the paddle float I guess.

No wood and there are a couple of big rocks that you might stub your
toe on but no trapping issues. At flows around 600ish+ its chest
deep or more so you are swimming, on the trailside of shore its real
eazy to get out. I see people in tubes there all the time!!!

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, David Kovsky <dwk@d...>
wrote:
> I've never been there. With waist-deep water, is there any
potential for
> a foot entrapment? What about wood?
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > It's always safer to boat with others to fetch gear, help with T-
> > rescues, moral support, etc.
> > That being said I go there alone all the time, But I grew up
> > swimming in moving water. Its down the street from my house, at
> > flows between 250-400 its like waist deep and easy to get to
shore,
> > above that it's a bit of a swim but not bad I've swam it at
850cfs
> > more than once.
> > Post when you want to go and I'll meet you but it needs to be
> > flowing at least 175 to have water!!!
> >
> > --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
> > <heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> > > Are you suggesting it's safe to go alone there and just go
down,
> > walk
> > > up, repeat, to practice?  Sounds reasonable actually.  I just
> > didn't
> > > think of it being safe.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Scott"
<rasdoggy@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Hey Dane
> > > > Welcome to the group. A good place to work on your skills you
> > have
> > > > already been to, the 2nd little drop at the putin on
> > 470&S.Platte I
> > > > call it the 470hole it has a nice long swim out till you get
the
> > > > roll and gets you used to moving water with a little drop to
> > work on
> > > > eddying and peel outs,I go there alot to play look for my
posts
> > > > about going there it.
> > > > Also the S.Platte at Deckers above The Chutes is like the
part
> > of
> > > > the S.Platte you ran with out the drops if you get out before
> > the
> > > > Chutes.
> > > > --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
> > > > <heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I found out about your yahoo group (and PPWW group) through
> > > > MountainBuzz.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just completed (so to speak) two days of instruction
through
> > > > > Confluence Kayaks shop in Denver, the first day on
Chatfield
> > Lake
> > > > and
> > > > > the second on the Platte somewhere down by C470 (ending at
> > Platte
> > > > > River B&G).  I did my share of swimming on the Platte, but
I
> > liked
> > > > it,
> > > > > and I got a deal on a used Dagger Honcho, so I bought it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I've got the bug to practice paddling (in a straight
line
> > at
> > > > some
> > > > > point, let's hope) and to keep practicing my C-to-C roll,
> > because I
> > > > > want to be able to do the roll at a minimum to help take
care
> > of
> > > > > myself before I start rivers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm set to repeat the Platte river instruction course in
two
> > weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meantime, I was planning on doing paddling, wet exits, and
if
> > I'm
> > > > > lucky, rolls down on Quail Lake which is right by where I
work.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone ever has something for a very modest beginner,
> > please
> > > > feel
> > > > > free to holler at me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm 36 and in relatively good shape, though I think my core
> > muscles
> > > > > are very weak compared to my lower half (I'm a mountain
biker
> > > > amateur
> > > > > too).  I'm not ready for anything tougher than what I saw
on
> > the
> > > > > Platte, but I do want to learn and practice regularly
toward
> > the
> > > > > aforementioned goals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dane Patterson
> > > > > The springs
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I'll be down there.  Red Dagger Crazy 88 with a big 303 sticker on the
boat (yes, I'm proud of it :)  )

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Maciag"
<lmaciag@y...> wrote:
> I didn't get to go last week.  I'm hoping to get up there tomorrow.
> Anybody else going?

It's always safer to boat with others to fetch gear, help with T-
rescues, moral support, etc.
That being said I go there alone all the time, But I grew up
swimming in moving water. Its down the street from my house, at
flows between 250-400 its like waist deep and easy to get to shore,
above that it's a bit of a swim but not bad I've swam it at 850cfs
more than once.
Post when you want to go and I'll meet you but it needs to be
flowing at least 175 to have water!!!

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
<heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> Are you suggesting it's safe to go alone there and just go down,
walk
> up, repeat, to practice?  Sounds reasonable actually.  I just
didn't
> think of it being safe.
>
>
> --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <rasdoggy@a...>
wrote:
> > Hey Dane
> > Welcome to the group. A good place to work on your skills you
have
> > already been to, the 2nd little drop at the putin on
470&S.Platte I
> > call it the 470hole it has a nice long swim out till you get the
> > roll and gets you used to moving water with a little drop to
work on
> > eddying and peel outs,I go there alot to play look for my posts
> > about going there it.
> > Also the S.Platte at Deckers above The Chutes is like the part
of
> > the S.Platte you ran with out the drops if you get out before
the
> > Chutes.
> > --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
> > <heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I found out about your yahoo group (and PPWW group) through
> > MountainBuzz.
> > >
> > > I just completed (so to speak) two days of instruction through
> > > Confluence Kayaks shop in Denver, the first day on Chatfield
Lake
> > and
> > > the second on the Platte somewhere down by C470 (ending at
Platte
> > > River B&G).  I did my share of swimming on the Platte, but I
liked
> > it,
> > > and I got a deal on a used Dagger Honcho, so I bought it.
> > >
> > > Now I've got the bug to practice paddling (in a straight line
at
> > some
> > > point, let's hope) and to keep practicing my C-to-C roll,
because I
> > > want to be able to do the roll at a minimum to help take care
of
> > > myself before I start rivers.
> > >
> > > I'm set to repeat the Platte river instruction course in two
weeks.
> > >
> > > Meantime, I was planning on doing paddling, wet exits, and if
I'm
> > > lucky, rolls down on Quail Lake which is right by where I work.
> > >
> > > If anyone ever has something for a very modest beginner,
please
> > feel
> > > free to holler at me.
> > >
> > > I'm 36 and in relatively good shape, though I think my core
muscles
> > > are very weak compared to my lower half (I'm a mountain biker
> > amateur
> > > too).  I'm not ready for anything tougher than what I saw on
the
> > > Platte, but I do want to learn and practice regularly toward
the
> > > aforementioned goals.
> > >
> > > Dane Patterson
> > > The springs

CWWA is doing a all Roll at Bear Creek Lake Park Wed. check the link...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CWWA/message/323

It's always safer to boat with others to fetch gear, help with T-
rescues, moral support, etc.
That being said I go there alone all the time, But I grew up
swimming in moving water. Its down the street from my house, at
flows between 250-400 its like waist deep and easy to get to shore,
above that it's a bit of a swim but not bad I've swam it at 850cfs
more than once.
Post when you want to go and I'll meet you but it needs to be
flowing at least 175 to have water!!!

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
<heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> Are you suggesting it's safe to go alone there and just go down,
walk
> up, repeat, to practice?  Sounds reasonable actually.  I just
didn't
> think of it being safe.
>
>
> --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <rasdoggy@a...>
wrote:
> > Hey Dane
> > Welcome to the group. A good place to work on your skills you
have
> > already been to, the 2nd little drop at the putin on
470&S.Platte I
> > call it the 470hole it has a nice long swim out till you get the
> > roll and gets you used to moving water with a little drop to
work on
> > eddying and peel outs,I go there alot to play look for my posts
> > about going there it.
> > Also the S.Platte at Deckers above The Chutes is like the part
of
> > the S.Platte you ran with out the drops if you get out before
the
> > Chutes.
> > --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "heliodorus04"
> > <heliodorus04@y...> wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I found out about your yahoo group (and PPWW group) through
> > MountainBuzz.
> > >
> > > I just completed (so to speak) two days of instruction through
> > > Confluence Kayaks shop in Denver, the first day on Chatfield
Lake
> > and
> > > the second on the Platte somewhere down by C470 (ending at
Platte
> > > River B&G).  I did my share of swimming on the Platte, but I
liked
> > it,
> > > and I got a deal on a used Dagger Honcho, so I bought it.
> > >
> > > Now I've got the bug to practice paddling (in a straight line
at
> > some
> > > point, let's hope) and to keep practicing my C-to-C roll,
because I
> > > want to be able to do the roll at a minimum to help take care
of
> > > myself before I start rivers.
> > >
> > > I'm set to repeat the Platte river instruction course in two
weeks.
> > >
> > > Meantime, I was planning on doing paddling, wet exits, and if
I'm
> > > lucky, rolls down on Quail Lake which is right by where I work.
> > >
> > > If anyone ever has something for a very modest beginner,
please
> > feel
> > > free to holler at me.
> > >
> > > I'm 36 and in relatively good shape, though I think my core
muscles
> > > are very weak compared to my lower half (I'm a mountain biker
> > amateur
> > > too).  I'm not ready for anything tougher than what I saw on
the
> > > Platte, but I do want to learn and practice regularly toward
the
> > > aforementioned goals.
> > >
> > > Dane Patterson
> > > The springs

Hey everyone.  Good news.  I spoke with Lauren B. last week and then
to the owner of Alpenglow after and he's agreed to offer all the
members of the Colorado Kayakers group a 10% discount on anything
you need to round out your boating equipment.  There's no expiration
date for the offer, no gimmicks, nothing.  Just next time you need
something go into the shop and let them know that you're a member of
the group.  There's going to be a group member list behind the front
counter so that they can verify that your a member of the group, but
that's about it.  There's also an ongoing discussion about giving
everyone a larger discount on packages and I'll let you know if
anything comes of it.
  I think it would be a good idea to keep this somewhat quiet as it
would be lame if every kayaker in town signed up for the group just
to take advantage of the discount but not really be doing anything
within the group.  Though this would be beneficial for the shop, as
there would be an increase in business for sure, I don't think
that's the point of this group.  On the flip side, you can use it as
a recruiting tool for all of the other beginners out there to join
up with the Colorado Kayakers.
  I hope everyone had a good safe weekend and I'm trying to get some
time off to do some more playboating clinics for you all.

Mark

I wouldn't call foxton a beginner run due to it being so shallow
there are some very eazy sections but as a run it is SCARY looking!!!

--- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "splatshot06"
<splatshot06@y...> wrote:
> I think there were a bunch of us up there. My wife wanted to go on
a
> walk so we went to check it out. Wateton almost looks easier at
this
> level b/c many of the rocks are covered and holes have washed.
> But....green bridge is a IV at this level for a reason and Clint
is
> right the line is the toungue on the left. Looking at it, the hole
> that has formed just to the right of this toungue does not look
> good. Probably the most demanding part is not screwing up the
ferry
> from the big eddy on river right to the small one ont he left to
> start the rapid; any misses there (flips, poor angle ect) couls
put
> you over into the hole that has a lot of debris in it from the old
> bridge. Avalanche has washed and looks really easy on the left---
go
> rigth for a challenge. They say vertical blender is a keeper but
it
> looked fairly flat and the greenwater seems shallow. Saw a guy
swin
> up top yesterday though and he banged up his leg--not so good.
> As for Foxton--I agree not flipping is the key to any river but
> particularly Foxton b/c it is shallow, but I really think that the
> section below the road is considerably easier than the boulder
> garden--not really as technical ( as I did have all my problems on
> Sat in the boulder garden, but when I ran it before adn never
> flipped I still thought the same. If you can ferry well and catch
> microeddies then it's a paradise to practice in.  But I really
think
> that if you have not run the boulder garden before, take soemone
who
> has. No one has posted this, but we had a bit of a scare on Sat
> where some members of our group unknowingly went the wrong way
> chasing a paddle and one of them pinned. He pinned upright and we
> got him out fine but things could have gone differently. The last
> rapid of the boulder garden has undercuts and seives--the lines
are
> not difficult but you should know where to go.
> I don't want to get on a soap box but I remember this same
> conversation came up ont he buzz about a couple years ago and
since
> this is a beginner site it should be clear that this is NOT a
> beginner run
>
>
> --- In Coloradokayakers@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <nmccorkell@y...>
> wrote:
> > Lauren-
> >
> > Hey sorry about all that e-mail nonsense...I dont know what was
> > going on.  That's really funny that you were up scouting the
> foxton
> > and waterton area.  I went up with some of the guys from
Mountain
> > Miser in Englewood and paddled the Mid South Platte...Above the
> > Chutes...It was a great day!! What time were you guys up there?
We
> > hit the river about 12:30 and took out around 4. Parts of the
run
> > were pretty slow and flat but it had a pretty decent current so
it
> > wasn't terrible.  Unfortunatly we didn't get to do the actual
> Chutes
> > just due to time and being in a large group.  We took out just
> above
> > them though and from what I saw they were very runnable...I also
> > made it up through parts of Foxton and got some Road Scouting
> > in...If you decide to try an after work run on Foxton anytime
next
> > week count me in...Also I thought the run from above the Chutes
to
> > the Bridge where the Colorado Trail is looked pretty
decent...Well
> > post up about your Foxton run and I'll be sure to make it!
> >
> > Nate

I just wanted to make one clerification just incase someone were to
use this description of waterton to run it.  The proper line in the
first of the last 3 drops you refer to, known as Green Bridge due to
old bridge debris, is the small tongue you mention on far river left.
As far left as you can go.  There is a line on river right, but you
are correct in saying it is a bit hazardous...and at this level the
hydrolics can play funny games with you over there.  If you do run it,
definately scout the last 3 from top to bottom.  Start on far river
left, and start making the move to the right of the rock the tongue
will try to throw you against.  I've hit it quite a few times, and it
can throw you off for the rest of the rapids, which kind of blend into
1 at higher flows.  Also, get a lot of speed to punch the bottom hole
at the end of the run (river wide, though character can change
dramatically depending on the level of Strontia Springs, and I haven't
been down there this year) if you don't want to be surfed...but it
will flush, eventually :-)  Waterton is a class 4 run at this level,
above 1,000.  If you can't run the lower rapids, you probably should
think twice about just running the top section and taking out before
hand.  A swim in the upper section could easily send you or your gear
down the last 3 rapids, as the water is moving fast.  Yes, I know this
from experience :-)

Lauren,  I would be down to hit Foxton either Thursday or Friday this
week if the level stays up.  I can go any day other than Tues and Wed,
any week.  I would like to run the rock garden, and possibly the 2 or
3 rapids above there if the parking space is open, and someone else is
willing to run them with me.  If you haven't seen the rapids above,
they aren't any bigger than the lower section rapids, just the same
technical class 3 read and run stuff, but I like them as a warm up
before the rock garden.  The garden isn't much other than a maze, with
a few fun drops mixed in...but the current does get a little swirley
around the rocks and can flip the unsuspecting paddler.

Clint


On 5/30/05, Lauren Bond <laurenb42@...> wrote:
>  Dave and I decided not to paddle due to the
>  thunderstorms and cold weather.  so, we went to foxton
>  and waterton and the chutes and checked them out.
>  Then we went hiking with the dogs which is always a
>  good thing I think!!! Funny, foxton doesn't look as
>  scary as I remember it :)  Somehow, everything looks
>  smaller after running Cottonwood rapid at the training
>  camp! (listed as a class 4 in the CRC guide)
>
>  I do not have a roll.  Maybe this is a good thing
>  because it has forced me to get a really strong brace
>  and river reading skills.  I have not flipped over on
>  foxton in the 4x I have done it.  I think that staying
>  upright is way more important than having a strong
>  combat roll on that section.... it's shallow! Swims
>  and even time upside down can be quite unpleasant!
>
>  I hope your head and hand feel better Steven.
>
>  For those of you that haven't run foxton yet, I love
>  it.  It is a technical class 3 section.  I have not
>  run the boulder garden yet though it looks like fun!
>  I put in maybe a half mile above foxton rd and went
>  down to the takeout (I think it was the takeout... :))
>
>  On the lower section, there are 3 drops of note.  The
>  first is just upstream of foxton road. pretty much
>  just point and shoot, there is a lateral wave at the
>  bottom on river right to practice that strong brace
>  on.  The 2 other drops are about 3/4 of the way down,
>  one right after the other.  Both look scary but they
>  aren't as bad as they looked to me. I suggest scouting
>  them (you'll know which ones they are as you do
>  shuttle to the takeout, they are the 2 biggest drops
>  in the lower half of the run.)
>
>  We also looked at Waterton and it looks way big to me.
>  The first several drops are fast class 3-3+, the last
>  3 drops are sketchy class 4ish at this level.
>  especially the first of the bigger drops.  a large
>  hole on river center, possible skirting potential on
>  river right, but with a rock sieve at the end that
>  seems scary if you swim... could be a nasty rescue
>  situation.  River left there is a tongue that barely
>  skirts the hole and then enters into a meaty
>  wavetrain.  I think I will wait until the water comes
>  down to run waterton!!!!
>
>  I am excited to go on foxton though.  Maybe I'll try
>  to plan an after work trip next week?
>
>  So there's the road-scout report :)
>
>  How was pumphouse, all of you that went? The list
>  seemed quiet this weekend without you!  And where are
>  you Laurey and Laurie?  haven't seen you post in
>  awhile!
>
>  Lauren
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Dave and I decided not to paddle due to the
thunderstorms and cold weather.  so, we went to foxton
and waterton and the chutes and checked them out.
Then we went hiking with the dogs which is always a
good thing I think!!! Funny, foxton doesn't look as
scary as I remember it :)  Somehow, everything looks
smaller after running Cottonwood rapid at the training
camp! (listed as a class 4 in the CRC guide)

I do not have a roll.  Maybe this is a good thing
because it has forced me to get a really strong brace
and river reading skills.  I have not flipped over on
foxton in the 4x I have done it.  I think that staying
upright is way more important than having a strong
combat roll on that section.... it's shallow! Swims
and even time upside down can be quite unpleasant!

I hope your head and hand feel better Steven.

For those of you that haven't run foxton yet, I love
it.  It is a technical class 3 section.  I have not
run the boulder garden yet though it looks like fun!
I put in maybe a half mile above foxton rd and went
down to the takeout (I think it was the takeout... :))

On the lower section, there are 3 drops of note.  The
first is just upstream of foxton road. pretty much
just point and shoot, there is a lateral wave at the
bottom on river right to practice that strong brace
on.  The 2 other drops are about 3/4 of the way down,
one right after the other.  Both look scary but they
aren't as bad as they looked to me. I suggest scouting
them (you'll know which ones they are as you do
shuttle to the takeout, they are the 2 biggest drops
in the lower half of the run.)

We also looked at Waterton and it looks way big to me.
  The first several drops are fast class 3-3+, the last
3 drops are sketchy class 4ish at this level.
especially the first of the bigger drops.  a large
hole on river center, possible skirting potential on
river right, but with a rock sieve at the end that
seems scary if you swim... could be a nasty rescue
situation.  River left there is a tongue that barely
skirts the hole and then enters into a meaty
wavetrain.  I think I will wait until the water comes
down to run waterton!!!!

I am excited to go on foxton though.  Maybe I'll try
to plan an after work trip next week?

So there's the road-scout report :)

How was pumphouse, all of you that went? The list
seemed quiet this weekend without you!  And where are
you Laurey and Laurie?  haven't seen you post in
awhile!

Lauren

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First and foremost, I want to thank all of you who came up this weekend to
the Pumphouse.  Sorry Mel we didn't meet up with you, but you'll understand
soon.  Anyway, Steven, Megan, Randy, Rachel and myself all had a great day
on Saturday running the Pumphouse to Radium.  It was a fun run with the
water a bit lower then the last week when Jeff, Randy and myself ran it.
But nonetheless, it was a great time.  We really practiced a lot on the
flatwater, and had fun surfing the rapids and building our confidence.
Here's the twist.

After a great Saturday, Adam (a great and brave 1st year paddler, I have to
admit), joined for some beers at the campsite.  After a brief discussion the
crew decided not to run the Pumphouse on Sunday, as we wanted something with
more of a challenge, and to instead run the Lower Eagle.  The Eagle was
suggested/decided upon by some other campers/kayakers from the campsite and
the old Colorado river running bible's synopsis.

So, soaring to the Eagle we went!  We decided to run the Wilcott to Eagle
portion (see page 128?, I believe), of the river.  Things went great for a
good portion of the run.  Randy, Adam, Meg, Steven and myself we really
doing good, with some of us landing a combat roll here and there.  It was an
absolutely picturesque scene with the red rocks and boats cruising the swift
current, big rapids and large waves (river was at 5.25 feet on the gauge).
We were all being safe by portaging rapids that all of us were unfamiliar
with, none of us had run this portion.  Scouting and figuring out lines.

Anyway, we passed a rapid that was later disclosed to me by some locals
named, "dead cow's rapid", obviously there have a been a few other swimming
mammals in the area.  Randy led the way through with Adam, me, Meg and
Steven following.  All of us made it through the "hard section of the rapid"
and then things went a bit crazy.

Adam flipped and Randy went after his boat, I then flipped and swam a good
portion of rapid section for about a half mile.  At this point I really need
to thank Megan for helping through the situation.  Mad props to Megan for
talking me through the rapid, and making me feel comfortable in a quick
moving moment and crazy situation.  Adam's boat was eventually recovered and
his paddle as well, my boat, however took a trip down the river for about
one mile.  I climbed out of the river, and made it safely to shore with my
paddle.  And walked through a neighbors yard, thanks to Ron and Tracy (i
believe i was a little out of it at this point), for giving me a ride back
to Eagle to the takeout.

Now, the boat is a whole other story.  I will save that for later, it's just
that it was pinned on a rock.  Sitting in some high current in the middle of
the Eagle, all by it's lonesome.  But, once again I need to thank rachel,
gwen, randy, steven, megan and adam, for a wonderful and meanfull
experience.  We'll have to hit the river again soon, and I be sure to post
up about the boat.

Lesson learned:  Paddle with someone that is familiar with the river.
Paddle within your limits (the river might have been bit too big of a jump
in level from what some of us have been doing this year), and make sure you
have a good size group of kayakers on the water.  Thanks and again.


By the way, for those of you that were there, "FOOT with a halfnucke" says
"hi", and Gunner has finally stopped barking and has slept and entire day.


Cheers,

Chris

WOW the holes in BV and Salida were going off WAYYYYYY to big for a
swimmer like me to even think about getting in but the "boyz & grrlz"
from the Dagger Paddle with the Pro's we're goin off. Like watching a
Video, speaking of went up to the Numbers and it looked like something
out of a Video HUGE waves and trains, giant holes and boaters
everywhere tearing it up, Watched a swim looked, horriable they chased
his boat about a mile.
One of these days I'll be there and I don't mean the swimmin part!!!!

The Paddle with the Pro's will be at Lawson on I-70 in 2 weeks, I'll
be there, good times.

Off to Chatfeild today to work on that dang roll...

Chutes at 355ish cfs

Steven, Eryn, Jeff, Scott, and I ran Chutes beginning at Pine Creek
Rd on a cold but sunny afternoon.  We had the river to ourselves.  At
the put in my boat took off downstream without me.  Thanks to Scott,
it was quickly rescued.  I couldn't decide if this was a good omen or
not.  My boat did stay with me for the remainder of the run. However,
my paddle then took off on its own 3/4s of the way through the run.
Surely my gear was sending me a message...it wants to divorce me!  I
had used my paddle to check the water level to determine if the water
was deep enough to play and inadvertently let go of the paddle.
Steven rescued the paddle but I needed to paddle without a paddle
downstream a little ways. I worriedly anticipated that I'd discover
again I cannot hand roll my Fun 1.5 but it was a needless worry as I
didn't flip.

Other than that, the day was a quiet one, no mishaps, lots of
surfing, some swims (not naming names!), some humbling experiences...
as in the author *again* swimming out of her boat, again after
finding herself in swirly, whirly, uncooperative-to-rolling water in
this case within the Chutes...and I had been the "guinea pig" sent
down first, perhaps due to my years of experience running rivers. But
I am in a playboat now and paddling one requires some new learning
and resigning myself to the fact that running rivers in playboats is
to varying degrees, more difficult than using a river runner. I need
an excuse for humbling experiences...it is always easier to blame the
boat!

As regards the Chutes, we all ran the first drop well.  The water on
approach is pushy and it seemed everyone needed some good saving
braces/strokes in the drop.  Someone flipped after running that first
drop, in a swirly, boily, uncooperative-to-rolling eddy.  That
someone bailed after attempting a roll while against the wall of a
cliff.  I empathize here. But that someone had a great run through
the Chutes.

I noted during scouting that there might be a sneak on river left
(left of the huge boulder in river center) but there's a small but
very sticky hole there that stretches from shore to river center
boulder. I didn't think it would be fun to get stuck in it.

After the Chutes the next narrow section of river, perhaps the 2nd
hardest on the run at this level, also presented its challenges as we
were confronted with bigger waves and holes breaking at odd
angles...staying upright required effort on my part...and then I was
thinking how much more difficult running with a playboat is... but
fun too!

The rest of the run went smoothly.  The water is deep and we all
spent time playing.

And one member of our party actually had a dry hair day!

A great level and great company! Thanks Steven, Jeff, Eryn, and
Scott!

WELCOME everyone!!!

We have broken 100 paddlers in this group!!!!
And I was told tonight and then saw a post on the mountain buzz that
the Class 3+ >-5 peeps are want to start a site like this!!!!

Who would have thought it!!!