Something to think about is thought prevention.
It is how we think which determines what
is prevented or allowed to escape out the mouth.

A mouth escape is a thought unprevented.
An unprevented thought is not the sign of
a loose mouth but rather a loose mind.
The mouth can be tightened up if the mind
is Spirit tempored; seasoned by the presence
of God when we have allowed His maturity
of Spirit in us.

We all have this human spirit person to
contend with; but if one is contending
for the faith and not for the flesh,
there in is the peace of Jesus, and
good will toward men.

It is when there is unbalance in our
own peace that we find the peace of
Jesus slipping - as does the thoughts -
towards those slippery gates of
thought abuse.

Thought abuse is when one's inner
language of the mind lanquishes
inwardly upon ourselves, keeping
one on edge, until it affects one's
physical performance.


The edge, you know, that point just
before feeling the eruption coming on -
to where you're really tempted to
spill out a lie just to get away
from the outward pressures on the job;
just for 10 minutes, by saying something
like, "Boss I have to be excused now,
it's loose bowels..." where you would rather
present a natural problem than admit:
"Boss, I have to be excused now,
or I might loose it and cuss this guy out!"

The unprevented thought tells you you'd
rather lie about a natural thing than
tell the truth about a spiritual thing,
like admitting you're not the Christian
you'd like everybody to keep thinking
you are.

Why not go ahead and admit your humanity
to the boss by simply stating what is the
truth: "Boss this man is rubbing my
sensitive spot and I'm about to start
speaking French, but not by the Spirit.
May I please take a minute to recompose
myself?"

No. We can't do that. It would spoil our
perfect image wouldn't it? No, it might
just show the bossman a reasonable
side of honesty is resident in you
instead of a religious spirit, which
he would appreciate MORE, and more readily
identify with.

You see, at times when the mind isn't 100%
ruled by the Spirit in His perfect peace it is
our own honesty spoken in truth which can
turn our own thoughts back into the thought
preventing mode of the Spirit, because God
too appreciates self honesty. Honesty to self
is just a step away from innocense with God.

Once we have confessed the problem He steps in
to strengthen and administer attention
unto the weaker part. But if we don't even
recognize the weakness, the human in us
tends to put up a guarded wall against it that
God will not crash down until we do admit to it.

Thought prevention is not actually all left
up to us; in that "we are doing all the controling",
no.
We can't control our own tongues. That is a
working of the Spirit which we must yield to;
and give heed to with self diligence of
awareness, but thought prevention is a Holy
Ghost intervention that operates only by keeping
our minds stayed on Christ and God's word
through a personal moment by moment relationship.

Christ's peace must become our peace by our
decision to make His offer of peace ours; and likewise
our own minds must be made up and determined
to resist anyone else, or anything - including
our own self - from robbing the
peace we have made with ourself. For this is surely
true: the day you recognized, and truely received
God's salvational peace was the day you made
peace with yourself. For, if you never actually
made such peace with yourself, how then can you
truly lay claim on God's complete salvation if your
own void is in the way of His peace? Because truly,
if you haven't any peace with your own self how then
can God's peace be within you? He IS perfect peace
personified and can not be otherwise. No kingdom
can be divided against itself and stand. Including
especially, God's kingdom within you.

That truth is the major problem behind those whom are
struggling with their Christianity and why they
can't stand consistently. Not only are they in division
in their own minds over their own lack of resolve of
personal peace, but they are in constant violation
of God's kingdom law that can not change for them.
The only thing that can change them is... "them":
or their own claim to their own peace.
And the best way for that to begin is to STOP
practicing "religion", and just find your place
in Christ.



"God" day.
Chaplain Scott

I understand

--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Yosmite <chaplainscotty2@...> wrote:

From: Yosmite <chaplainscotty2@...>
Subject: [Christian-Bikers] a morning dose of thought provoktion
To: Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:19 AM







 









       Thought "provoktion" ? I misspelled that word for a reason.

It's called ... not caring so much about being "politically

correct" at 5:01 in the AM!



I'm not on the porch anymore. The laptop and i are

warm and toasty inside, in my lounge chair, after having a little understanding

between this new PC and I. It was my desire the PC would start

being stable in picking up the wireless signal all the time, and not merely only
on weekends. So I asked the Lord if He would do something to correct the matter.
After a day or so after that prayer, He instructed my understanding what I
needed to do, and "how" such was to be done,

and don't ask me what it was I did - cause I didn't know what I was doing - but
I followed the links as He was leading my instincts,

and it immediately began being online on a Tuesday and staying steady

online consistantly since. Praise to His name.



So I'm a lounge chair reporter now. And you C-B Group Chaplain.

I'm just around the block now

and online 24/7; for anyone caring to or needing to drop me a private howdy do.
I am available for ministrial counseling in a more timely fashion now; however
when I say "ministrial" I mean just that - anyone holding or called to a
position of ministry, specifically.



By instruction of the Lord, I am to only take upon the counselling of ministers
if/when needed. Not to say by this restriction that I am

not concerned about anyone else outside of ministry, but

I am not called unto the office of a Pastor. Neither will I personally attempt
again to EVER minister outside the office of my calling.



I will be referring all non clergy members to our Group Pastor, and/ or

the Group Apostle (Missionary) or accordingly ...

But it is my specific calling to administer the prophetic calling unto the
personal affairs of God's Ministers, for the edification of such chosen
treasures, towards aiding the furtherance of the Gospel.

And not just with anyone who's not called who happens to ask for "personal"
counsel because of personal problems.



Of course "personal" counsel with those

in ministry is not to be deferred or discouraged.



I embrace for counselling all areas of ministry outside the fivefold ministry,
and not only the fivefold offices: but any area of ligit Gospel ministry, ie,
helps, Coordnators, business administration,

prayer ministers, etc.



I will be glad to personally counsel with you as long as you KNOW you have a
call in the chosen field of Gospel Ministry- and if you don't exactly know - He
knows...

and that's where I come in; He has equipped and engifted me in this area of
understanding. And although it might appear I am being too

personally bold i say that is all confidence in Him.



It is He who sharpens the iron. And I will follow no other;

for I have learned what it is to be cut.



One simply can not continue to include that which desolates with the pure,

and expect nothing but desolation.



One eight ounce glass of sea water in five gallons of fresh water only

gets you 648 more ounces of sea water.



The mixture of the two can never get you fresh.



A "week-ly" saint is one who is only eating Sunday's bread.



The freshish bread is never bought on Sundays.

A daily saint is the strong one.



holy hugs,

Scott

























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Thought "provoktion"? I misspelled that word for a reason.
It's called ... not caring so much about being "politically
correct" at 5:01 in the AM!

I'm not on the porch anymore. The laptop and i are
warm and toasty inside, in my lounge chair, after having a little understanding
between this new PC and I. It was my desire the PC would start
being stable in picking up the wireless signal all the time, and not merely only
on weekends. So I asked the Lord if He would do something to correct the matter.
After a day or so after that prayer, He instructed my understanding what I
needed to do, and "how" such was to be done,
and don't ask me what it was I did - cause I didn't know what I was doing - but
I followed the links as He was leading my instincts,
and it immediately began being online on a Tuesday and staying steady
online consistantly since. Praise to His name.

So I'm a lounge chair reporter now. And you C-B Group Chaplain.
I'm just around the block now
and online 24/7; for anyone caring to or needing to drop me a private howdy do.
I am available for ministrial counseling in a more timely fashion now; however
when I say "ministrial" I mean just that - anyone holding or called to a
position of ministry, specifically.

By instruction of the Lord, I am to only take upon the counselling of ministers
if/when needed. Not to say by this restriction that I am
not concerned about anyone else outside of ministry, but
I am not called unto the office of a Pastor. Neither will I personally attempt
again to EVER minister outside the office of my calling.

I will be referring all non clergy members to our Group Pastor, and/ or
the Group Apostle (Missionary) or accordingly ...
But it is my specific calling to administer the prophetic calling unto the
personal affairs of God's Ministers, for the edification of such chosen
treasures, towards aiding the furtherance of the Gospel.
And not just with anyone who's not called who happens to ask for "personal"
counsel because of personal problems.

Of course "personal" counsel with those
in ministry is not to be deferred or discouraged.

I embrace for counselling all areas of ministry outside the fivefold ministry,
and not only the fivefold offices: but any area of ligit Gospel ministry, ie,
helps, Coordnators, business administration,
prayer ministers, etc.

I will be glad to personally counsel with you as long as you KNOW you have a
call in the chosen field of Gospel Ministry- and if you don't exactly know - He
knows...
and that's where I come in; He has equipped and engifted me in this area of
understanding. And although it might appear I am being too
personally bold i say that is all confidence in Him.

It is He who sharpens the iron. And I will follow no other;
for I have learned what it is to be cut.

One simply can not continue to include that which desolates with the pure,
and expect nothing but desolation.

One eight ounce glass of sea water in five gallons of fresh water only
gets you 648 more ounces of sea water.

The mixture of the two can never get you fresh.

A "week-ly" saint is one who is only eating Sunday's bread.

The freshish bread is never bought on Sundays.
A daily saint is the strong one.

holy hugs,
Scott

Good to hear mate, onward & upward

--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "bikercowboygonebad" <dannydiekman@...>
wrote:
>
> it be hind me Bacca hurry up quit pushing scotty hehehehehe
>

Re: i wonder if you would like this i dont get it .

these are the pure in heart. The virgins of Revelation.
the real prayer warriors that put us ALL to shame, in all our
knowledge-ability and so called maturity in all things pertaining
unto godliness; the shepherds who should be leading us;
the examples we all need to heed; with a heart as of a little child;
what is there not to get?

wherein is your faith in God if it is not as a little child's?
-- have you not heard, "Through the mouth of babes wisdom is heard?"
What is there not to like? except maybe the repenting part, from one's evil
ways? Real repentence isn't always so easy is it? it's about real repentence
Dan. now please don't tell me you don't "get that?"-
'repentence'... If, you do not understand what "that" is you just
heard it bro. Why don't you try that? because your own words are betraying you
and showing another reality. that my brother is not a personal judgment of my
own, it's the fruit bearing tree - or the lack of it - showing this reality in
your own confession.
and neither am i saying this in meanness or anger, or self righteousness, or
whatever,,, but I am speaking the truth.


These are the children of God whom most LIKELY will leave this life as martyrs
for Jesus before long. That reality possibility is not so far off for any of us.
Such as these have entered behind the vail into the holy of holies;
such is the kingdom of God. And such can not be understood with the carnal mind;
it can not be understood by the natural understanding
of the mind, neither can anyone begin to preceive the matters pertaining to the
Spirit through the evaluation by the natural.

Thanks for sharing this Dan. I loved it.

Peace with all good will toward men. Merry Christmas brother.
Scott







--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "bikercowboygonebad" <dannydiekman@...>
wrote:
>
> http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=933777
>
> <

Praises to Jesus! awesome question. Thanks Dave.

--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "David Treadwell" <papadavenrebel@...>
wrote:
>
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPViKJRHyZo
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

it be hind me Bacca hurry up quit pushing scotty hehehehehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPViKJRHyZo



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need some new push roads in my old 86 Flt.c.c again thouse men around me telling
me to sell my ride. i think it time for new church or hole new bunch of men in
my life. what you think

pray reqest please thanks

Our fellow Bon'er TWNROSE and one of my best friends.. was involved in an
accident at 3AM this morning....It was her and her twin sons involved....Been in
shock trauma all night and just heard from her that they are keeping one son for
overnight observation cuz of head injury with bleeding. Say a prayer that he
will be okay and they will all be home for Christmas. At this time of year
especially, many prayers and thanks to God for sparing them any serious injury.

Thanks mate.
God has been encouraging me in that area through Andy too.
Bless ya, Chaplain Bacca

--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "Yosmite" <chaplainscotty2@...> wrote:
>
> I am so glad Stephen. The Lord is faithful unto the faithful.
> He is pleased with how you have sought His will; with how
> you have sought to please Him;
>
> and have sought Him first above the position-
> and thus is why you are His delight.
> You are a God pleaser Stephen, with a precious heart
> in which He calls "perfect". I foresaw this fruitation
> in you years ago, in that early time of the morning,
> after having read a post of yours here.
> And the Lord said to me then, "Say to him this..."
> and so I did, because He showed me your heartfulness
> towards Him, and shared that part with me; which has
> since, so been a continual personal inspiration
> to me. I have since watched for your posts and have read
> every one; waiting for this time.
>
> Remember to be mindful and to act upon the recent word
> He gave you; concerning
> what He has already opened unto you; in the power
> of His operation.
>
> His operation of the gift of the working of miracles
> is in you; even if you do not fully understand yet exactly
> when or how that is to come into place or use.
>
> It is entrusted already because you are entrust worthy
> with Him. Understanding of the such comes in the "usage"
> of such. And the usage comes by faith. By acting upon it in the faith
> you already know- Not by the faith you hope to know.
>
>  Such only comes by the faith one already knows.
>
> gotta go,
> Scott
>
>
>
> --- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "Bikers 4 Christ" <baccatron@> wrote:
> >
> > As this site was used by God to encourage me to start Crossroad Christian MM
I decided to share what has been happening lately. As well as my own colors I am
a member of Bikers 4 Christ, a biker fellowship to encourage the many bikers
doing ministry around the country. With our smaller population it means the bike
scene is much smaller here as well so that leads to a lot of Christian Bikers
serving Christ basically on their own, especially outside the major city's.
Possum the Oz head of B4C knew the desire on my heart to be a Chaplain & offered
to make me the B4C Chaplain for the state of Victoria, southeast Oz. We flew up
to Brisbane Friday 20th, about 1600 miles from our state capital of Melbourne to
be installed as Vic Chaplain Saturday night at a get together at a members home.
A lot of the members that came had never met but it was a great time of
fellowship were they prayed over me & installed me as Chaplain sending me out to
do what I am called to do. Many others then received prayer on the "hot seat"
with a prophetess there confirming many prophetess people had been given in the
past even tho she only knew a couple of us, what a great night in God getting
zonked in the Spirit! Sunday we raided the church 1 of our members goes to, it
was their family service so probable a good day to do it, they reserved the 2
front rows of seats for us so they could keep an eye on us (The Pastor knew we
were coming) Ofcause we had to be attacked by the saw looser, my wife Tiani had
a stroke Monday morning giving her partial paralyzed down the right but is now
well on the way to recovery & it looks like we will fly home this Wednesday, a
week later than planned but God has been opening opportunity to minister anyway.
I have booked in to do certificate 1V in Christian Chaplaincy Pastoral Care text
year, a 5 x 3 day part time cause that will mean I am reconised by government
institutions like hospitals not to mention helping me achieve what God has
called me to do here. What a great God we serve!
> >  Keep riding for Jesus, Chaplain Bacca
> >
>

I am so glad Stephen. The Lord is faithful unto the faithful.
He is pleased with how you have sought His will; with how
you have sought to please Him;

and have sought Him first above the position-
and thus is why you are His delight.
You are a God pleaser Stephen, with a precious heart
in which He calls "perfect". I foresaw this fruitation
in you years ago, in that early time of the morning,
after having read a post of yours here.
And the Lord said to me then, "Say to him this..."
and so I did, because He showed me your heartfulness
towards Him, and shared that part with me; which has
since, so been a continual personal inspiration
to me. I have since watched for your posts and have read
every one; waiting for this time.

Remember to be mindful and to act upon the recent word
He gave you; concerning
what He has already opened unto you; in the power
of His operation.

His operation of the gift of the working of miracles
is in you; even if you do not fully understand yet exactly
when or how that is to come into place or use.

It is entrusted already because you are entrust worthy
with Him. Understanding of the such comes in the "usage"
of such. And the usage comes by faith. By acting upon it in the faith
you already know- Not by the faith you hope to know.

  Such only comes by the faith one already knows.

gotta go,
Scott



--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "Bikers 4 Christ" <baccatron@...>
wrote:
>
> As this site was used by God to encourage me to start Crossroad Christian MM I
decided to share what has been happening lately. As well as my own colors I am a
member of Bikers 4 Christ, a biker fellowship to encourage the many bikers doing
ministry around the country. With our smaller population it means the bike scene
is much smaller here as well so that leads to a lot of Christian Bikers serving
Christ basically on their own, especially outside the major city's. Possum the
Oz head of B4C knew the desire on my heart to be a Chaplain & offered to make me
the B4C Chaplain for the state of Victoria, southeast Oz. We flew up to Brisbane
Friday 20th, about 1600 miles from our state capital of Melbourne to be
installed as Vic Chaplain Saturday night at a get together at a members home. A
lot of the members that came had never met but it was a great time of fellowship
were they prayed over me & installed me as Chaplain sending me out to do what I
am called to do. Many others then received prayer on the "hot seat" with a
prophetess there confirming many prophetess people had been given in the past
even tho she only knew a couple of us, what a great night in God getting zonked
in the Spirit! Sunday we raided the church 1 of our members goes to, it was
their family service so probable a good day to do it, they reserved the 2 front
rows of seats for us so they could keep an eye on us (The Pastor knew we were
coming) Ofcause we had to be attacked by the saw looser, my wife Tiani had a
stroke Monday morning giving her partial paralyzed down the right but is now
well on the way to recovery & it looks like we will fly home this Wednesday, a
week later than planned but God has been opening opportunity to minister anyway.
I have booked in to do certificate 1V in Christian Chaplaincy Pastoral Care text
year, a 5 x 3 day part time cause that will mean I am reconised by government
institutions like hospitals not to mention helping me achieve what God has
called me to do here. What a great God we serve!
>  Keep riding for Jesus, Chaplain Bacca
>

I pray for and wish you all a joyous Christ
in you, slain by the Spirit where you can't
get up without shouting, or the reverse,
having no words - due to the joy unspeakable
glory upon your being, over saturated and
spilling over, as unever before, beyond what
you've
even known, knocked out, blown out, shouted
out until you can't shout out any more,
peaceadated, tranqulated with so much inner
calm until you're swimming in it over your
head, with His word illuminating your whole
being in personal revelation understanding
until you just have to go out and witness
to somebody in need, Christmas.

And a happy new year.

Chaplain Scott

what a time indeed. the philistines are acting just as they always
had in past Biblical OT times. We are still in Biblical
times, but the majority of the modernized world's people just don't realize
that. many are beginning to though,

think on this,... when all that is written in the Bible has
been fulfilled, and afterwards in generations to come even after
those 1000 years of Christ's rule on earth, during eternity- we will have been
those ones who lived in "Bible time" or "Bible days" - and after time itself is
done away with, we will have been the ones to have lived in the last days of
man's political rule during the Bible. We are living "eternal history" in the
making: as the eternal sons of God!
During that eternal time to come, what will be said about us?
What about us, you personally I mean, might be read or quoted
in some heavenly library or eternal classroom? I'm Not applying this
towards the mindset of any worldly "ambition" but as a "God Pleasing",
obedient contender of the faith.
  so. i hope every one's in the peace of God in Christ today.
This is God's day; make it yours.

If He gives you a song, share it. If He gives you a talent, don't hide it. If He
gives you a word. speak it and write it. If He's given you a calling of
ministry, administer. And I know He has given us His fruit of the Spirit,
partake of that.
And let it partake it's way in you unto your whole person.

In every nook and cranny!

you are blessed!
Scott








--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "David Treadwell" <papadavenrebel@...>
wrote:
>
> What a time to be alive, eh bro?  scary stuph indeed!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yosmite
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:32 PM
> To: Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Christian-Bikers] Re: FW: Apathy- a better introduction to that
> link
>
> Pappadave,
> In my past research I discovered the Palestinians today
> are the OT Biblical Philistines; and the
> Lebanon peoples are the OT Biblical Canaanites.
> These are the same ones King David in 2 Sam. show to be
> "the enemies of God". Goliath and his brother were
>  Philistines.  This modern race derives from the enemies of God because they
> have the genes of the Genesis 6 giants in their NATURE,
> And  that includes the nature of having their imagination
> continually set on evil. Those radical ones in this race have their
> Minds set on evil continually. How many Philistines in the OT
> were ever recorded as having repented or converted over to the God
> Of Israel? Perhaps few if any, because the Bible gives no accounts among the
> Philistines.
>
> Watch this video about the shocking similarites between Muslim and Nazi
> beliefs. Listen to a former Palestinian terrorist. What is being taught to
> Muslim children will shock and amaze you!!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> CHRISTIAN-BIKERS is the largest Christian Biker group at Yahoo!
> Invite a friend to join!
>
> To Subscribe:
> Christian-Bikers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Just pray for rose and her loved ones.
having a bypass in morning  Husban has cancer thay live in
ohio.




As my day started,it was full of joy and happiness.At the end of the day I got a
call from our front desk saying that they needed me to come down stairs.When I
got their there was a young lady standing in the hallway with a lost look on her
face.The lady that works the front desk told me that I need to listen to this
lady's story.First off her name is Samdarra Gerdis {SAM}.She started to tell me
about what had happened to her about a year ago.Her and Her boyfreind were at
the Town House {BAR} where she worked.She was off so they were drinking.He WAS a
biker.They left the bar drunk.A cop seen them and turned around to go after
them.They ran.As they went under 24,he lost control of the bike and hit the
conter divider throwing her and killing him.He left this world,leaving behind 2
great kids.I know this because he was an old freind of mine.I turned my back on
him many years ago,because I gave up drinking.She is left now with kids of her
own and no way to work because of this crash.I did not know he had a new
girlfreind until.Because I was not there for him.She is now allown because
everybody turned their back on her because she does not drink anymore.I would
like us all to find a way to be her freind and help her to walk with our LORD.If
we can invite her to Bikers Church and listen to her speak of this night I think
this will help her to recover.Let not one of us ever turn our backs.This was a
pain that I never want to go through again.If you ever need help call your
brothers or sisters.We will be their.   Thank you for your time I needed to get
this of my chest.  Love you all   Neil  RRJ

The two terms I'm referring to in Bible study are theology, which focuses on the
study and commitment to the principles of God, and philosophy, which refers to a
general perspective of life that is derived from man's thinking and man's
principles.  My point is that our theology needs to always influence any
philosophy regarding any area of life (finances, morality, ethics, marriage,
work ethic, etc.).  I started reading your email, but it's too long.  The key to
reading it or anything else is to make sure that the author's central thought
about any perspective of life focuses on Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41crQM6Ny54





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What a time to be alive, eh bro?  scary stuph indeed!

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yosmite
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:32 PM
To: Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Christian-Bikers] Re: FW: Apathy- a better introduction to that
link

Pappadave,
In my past research I discovered the Palestinians today
are the OT Biblical Philistines; and the
Lebanon peoples are the OT Biblical Canaanites.
These are the same ones King David in 2 Sam. show to be
"the enemies of God". Goliath and his brother were
  Philistines.  This modern race derives from the enemies of God because they
have the genes of the Genesis 6 giants in their NATURE,
And  that includes the nature of having their imagination
continually set on evil. Those radical ones in this race have their
Minds set on evil continually. How many Philistines in the OT
were ever recorded as having repented or converted over to the God
Of Israel? Perhaps few if any, because the Bible gives no accounts among the
Philistines.

Watch this video about the shocking similarites between Muslim and Nazi
beliefs. Listen to a former Palestinian terrorist. What is being taught to
Muslim children will shock and amaze you!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related



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Halleluiah Chorus like you have never seen before!

Well worth watching - enjoy!

http://charliephillips.net/videos/theater-7/silent-monks-singing-halleluia.h
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Thanks Scotty for taking the time to reply to Danny.  Danny, you are loved
by more than you think.  Psalm 118:8 applies well here also.
papadave


-----Original Message-----
From: Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yosmite
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:22 AM
To: Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Christian-Bikers] quite a subject indeed Dan

youknow Dan the struggle with a matter as this is only a struggle when there
is something one is struggling to hold onto - even if that something is only
abstract in nature, and not always a material thing.

the struggle with anything is always released when the matter IS released;
and then settled, by resignment. or just re asign all the doubt at the feet
of Jesus, ina simple prayer with a simple sort of faith. it doesn't take a
great faith to resign something to God.
resign the struggle itself; that sort of struggle in the soul
as you have undergone for a time now. even if the struggle itself
is a problem with trusting or believing God "for yourself", that He
would care enough to be concerned with you, to show Himself strong
in your life in the way you would likeHim to show.

it's like this, nothing is gained by doubting God
so resign whatever doubt that comes to mind and place it fromm you
by simply refusing to give whatever thought that came with that doubt
to linger even a minute, reject it mentally, reject it verbally
reject it like any other thing you have rejected naturally;

i know you know how to reject something that wouldn't suit you
like if i said something about myself like, "Dan I am so stupid;
I'm not good for nothing anymore - not one thing!" - then if i know
you like i think i do you'd respond with something like: "that ain't true
scotty, there is alot good about you"... so do the same towards
yourself and reject what it is causing you to do nothing or causing
you to think you're doing nothing but the big lazy thing.

you have the strength of a wrestler brother; but don't make any
room for a midgit. a dwalf, a puny weak punk to come along
and hold you down. A "negitive thought embraced and cradled" and milked
along can be one of those dwalves. beging thinking and embracing
all that gives strength to the spirit man, and the spirit man
in you will get strong. as a man thinks, so is he.

make your inner man strong by resigning the negitive thoughts
all over to God, and then once you are clear of what has been resigned
you then resist any other newer negitive self image'

you can't get over and past the negitive if you continue stuffing
from the table of guilt. just don't eat the guilt, and stop
allowing it to eat at you. guilt is beneight you - it is smaller
than you. beat that devil brother into submission by submission;
through resigning the battle over to God. if you resign the battle
you wouldn't feel the need to resign yourself away from here
or the church - it is just a bait ploy to isolate and destroy.
don't listen to that lie. to even repeat such aligns you with a liar;
satan. i know you would hate for me to say a lie to you or say a lie about
you, and you would confront me if i did, so then do the same
and confront the devil's ploy by resisting that lie.

what you posted below in this post Dan is nothing but a repeated lie.
because
it came from a ploy of satan: to tangle you up worse.


so what are you going to do now? call me a liar? no. call that
devil one lying %*&##@ ^%*& *& # %@*%$ AND GET UP AN FIGHT!

DAN I LOVE YOU MAN.
scott






















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<dannydiekman@...> wrote:
>
> and me im doing nothing setting on my big lazy .
> no gass i just stay home felling depressed i dont think i can go and do
what thay do im no good im gald there helping thouse hear in colorado
> shame on me huh. well take care .
> maybe it time to let go of this site and my church just be me
> take care.
>




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Amen to that Stephen!

a dead man can't be killed! satan has no power over us.
satan's strength is only as strong as our
greatest weakness; in what we allow or give heed to
out of fear. faith can't operate where there is fear;
and likewise fear can't operate with faith present.
the challenge will always be, the keeping of our faith;
and with every challenge against our faith comes the
strengthening of faith - for without any challenges
against our faith one would either grow content with whatever level of faith
they have already obtained, or grow complaisant
and weak; because contentment without Godly gain
is a spoiler. every challenge that is overcome
brings cause for greater joy, that would never have been
realized otherwise. to what degree of joy one relizes is
the degree of God's strength one has working for their
benefit. God's own strength becomes our strength in joy.

He makes His joy our own. If His joy is rarely known
what puny weaklings we'd be in the inner man of our souls.
A strong soul is a joyous soul! a weak soul is never
praise filled. it dwells too indepth into the negated
to experience any light; and thus is in darkness all the
while. Even "a while" in darkness can seem like a
life time because it is never pleasant. Light is pleasant.
Darkness is always a hassle, one can't even easily connect the
sloted end of a screw with the screwdriver. I hate trying
to repair something outside in the dark. I won't even attempt it
unless first I light up the work area like it's daytime.
Even a small light in the dark has a way of ascentuating details
that might otherwise be overlooked in the light of day - if
that small light is focused and bright.

we are the light in this darkened world.
one's ministry might be considered "small"
if compared to what appears larger, but "small"
isn't small at all if the light is pure and bright!

God never said, "I looked for an organization...
but found none to stand in the gap..." no, He only sought
for a man. A woman. Anyone... whom could stand.

one will never, ever, be that one to stand in the gap
for God... until one first knows what it is to "stand"
on their own! (with God)

stand therefore having your loins gird about in...

what it is our loins are meant to be girth in.

now you see, that was said that way to cause the reader
to think for themself... what is that?

what is "that" which girdles you to your core?

I'm speaking to anyone.

maybe if you knew exactly what that is you wouldn't be so chapped
by every little thing? you should insure you're
wearing all your armor all the waking time.
His armor should by now be OUR OWN armor: personally
fitted; just our size!
We make His our own - as our own remains "His".

It's sorta like this: A testy redneck man had
heard of my past reputation in fighting skills.
He wanted to claimmy reputation as his own - by
beating me unfairly. He didn't believe I really knew karate,
and he charged me with a swinging a billard stick at my head, from behind -
but my experience taught me more than the physical;
it trained my instinct to the sound pattern of trouble, and
as I heard the pattern of his approach coming closer
from behind I knew it was an assault attempt.

The instincts
took over in an instance, and I was ready at
the turning of my back to override his manner of sneak
attack, and I made that billard stick my own when I blocked his blow
and took it from him, and then whopped him
in the gut to the ground, and then over the head. He didn't
get up. He wasn't playing around
so I didn't either. I made an example of him
unto all the others
of his gang, which were present.

They all left me alone after that. And the same principle
in spiritual warfare holds true - the violent demons take
by force, and those in the kingdom of God need to start
taking their place in spiritual battle and doing it
forcefully! In the force of God's own strength as your
OWN! YOU decree the mountain removed: "Ye shall say..."
Mat 17:20.

For too long saints have been saying, "God, please just say the
word. I'm waiting on You". But He just responds, "PLEASE",

as in "Give me a break! I told YOU to speak the word!"
He already gave us that word
when He gave it through Jesus: who instructs "Ye shall say".

There is no longer an excuse of "I'm waiting on God to give
me a word", when God is waiting on You. The only reason
one might be waiting "on God" in that sense, is ignorance.
But He would not have us be ignorant.

Oprah denied Jesus as being the only way, but actually
what she has been embracing in this book called "The Secret"

is actually the world's attempt to reject Jesus while
in effect embracing "another door" as if there is
another avenue to God, but it is Jesus who taught us
clearly this secret "law of attraction"- that operates through
our audible belief: through spoken words of faith
confessions. We all were saved by the spoken confession
of our faith in God through Christ.
If that is able to save, by bringing salvation
then likewise the spoken
confession of the negitive in what we believe can also
bring about non salvational or unsavory ill results.


We can speak mountains
away, or to be leveled, or we can choose to attract the darkness
and be leveled by it through the negated words we say
and dwell upon. What we fill our personal space up with
through our spoken words either attracts or repells
spiritual evil, or the natural negative results, by the law of reaping and
sowing of seeded words!

Words hold FAITH results of some kind: one can believe
them self into having a headace by continually
saying they have a headache if in their words they actually
believe what it is they are embracing.
Or one can believe otherwise towards healing results.

I have come to understand this more vividly than
ever; after realizing for myself how my own health
was effected either for the good or otherwise.

After many hits and misses; with more misses
than hits at the first, until I got tired of the
pains resulting directly due to my personal generation of
negated words - that I was only speaking unto MYSELF;
almost constantly. You see, I fell into that "back and forth
pit" of negated thinking and self speaking while i was
away from being online from the regular fellowship
here - and though I had been attending worship services
and church functions, I stopped going to that particular
church after discerning how deeply that "religious spirit"
from Hell had it's hold on the leader's there, whom had fallen
into embracing the whore of socialistic religion.
And so I was between churches for a period because I will
never knowingly take part in such, because such continuously
grieves the Holy Spirit in a person who knows better!

And such only makes more room for
more spiritual struggles inwardly, than it gives spiritual resolve!
There is no Spiritual resolve involved for a person knowing better -
who can't continue having absolute
peace within as long as they are personally attached -
even by attendance - because it is liken to being naturally joined
with a whore; the stuff not only rubs you wrong, it rubs off
on you.

It is a religious spirit that spoils; and generates rot,
and disease of the human spirit in any knowing better.

But out of it all it brought a deeper learning understanding
as never before.

Now I know better than to
allow a space for even a single negated word from my mouth,
to escape in the air - even to only myself.

And now I am pain free, and have
been staying that way continuously - after
4 months of daily, continuous constant cronic pains
in my bones and joints.

To dwell upon negated words in the mind - even when
they don't escape through the mouth, is called:
"languish". The language of the mind will
either lift you or languish you.

It either hurts you or hallows you... but your dwelling
words hold power too. As does your written words.
Let us be positive in what we write and say, and think.
I dare any of you whom are struggling in the domain of the
negate to start acentuating and acclaimating only the positive and see
where it will take you.

  It cant hurt.

Make your day Today a "God" day, I pray. Amen.
Chaplain Scott



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>
> What is it with satan that he keeps tryin the same thing?
> This is the 4th time he has tyred to give be bowl cancer!
>
> 1st time the lump in me bowl a rice grain size till it got to about golf ball
size over some months and well I'm not bendin over in front of the doc for him
to put a finger there to check let alone cut out a heap of me bowl so keep
seeking God. By the golf ball size it was gettin painful as well but kept seekin
God then one Saturday night that scripture if ya go the the elders they will
anoint ya with oil & the prayer of faith will make ya well dropped into me head,
I just knew that it was from God so now I had my ramer word. The next morning at
the end of church (small country church of about 30) the Pastor just happened to
ask if anyone needed prayer (not normal) so went strait up & told him all this
so he puts oil on me forehead & gets a couple of others to come & pray with him
for me. That night I was still a bit itchy so went to put some ointment on, the
lump is gone Praise God!!!!
>
> 2nd time it came back I got offered VIP tickets to go see Reinhard Bonnke who
I supported a bit in our state capital. I took along the guy where we were
staying along with a mate of his & me wife. It was incredible how God took
control that night, as we were pulling in they opened up a car park right next
to the building then showed an usher me VIP ticket & we got taken to the front
of the long line but the usher there said this was run by there church & they
wouldn't honer the ticket (use him but not honer him?) but we were at the front
of the line waiting as there members went strait in & then they opened the doors
to us, just as we got in they opened up the side grand stand of the basketball
stadium so we ended up just 50 feet from the preaching to the side in a
stadium!!! The time came to pray for the sick & he aske us to put our hand where
we need God to touch us, well I am not puttin my hand on me but so stomach will
do as God knows anyway. He prays & I feel nothing, on way back to Andys (my
former Pastor) he says well I had better let the doc check me out anyway as we
have to use wisdom - no way, no we have to use faith! On the 160 mile trip home
the next day a song came on the mp3 mixed CD I had going that sang about how
faith is the evidence of thing unseen, I knew this was from God for me now so
just kept believing I was healed, stating to satan I was healed by Jesus stripes
then about a couple of months later the lump starts to shrink & was gone about a
month later. Praise God, he has healed me again!!!
>
> 3rd time God sent me to India to preach for a month with an Indian Pastor I
had met on the net (I thought yer right when he asked me at first till God told
me to go). Just before I am due to leave the lump comes back, satan your a lier
& this is a lying sign! As Im prayin for the sick I have satan in me ear tellin
me how can I pray for the sick if I have cancer meself? Ya a lier satan! As I am
prayin for the sick from village to village at the end of telling them who Jesus
is & what He done for them (many accepted Jesus) nothing seemed to be happening
as I was prayin for the sick so ask God what give here, don't I have the gift of
healing or something? Then we go out to this village near where we had been a
few days earlier, a old lady comes up & starts thanking me over & over, then it
clicks that this is the blind lady I had prayed for a few days earlier & God has
healed her in spite of my douts, thanks Lord, I will just pray even if I see
nothing more & believe Ya doing it. I didn't see another healing as such but
believe God healed many more that came to Him in faith.
>
> 4th time is now, have a lump about the size of a pea that gets itchy!
> I am bettin my life on the fact that Jesus healed me by His stripes 2000 years
ago. Hows your faith, willin to bet your life on Jesus?
> IP Logged
> Ephesians 3:8 (NIV) Although I am less than the least of all God's people,
this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of
Christ
>

The following from Truth or Tradition .com

A Tradition Develops

An old and familiar part of the Christmas
story goes like this: Mary and Joseph traveled from Nazareth to Bethlehem
shortly before the birth of Jesus.
The night they arrived in Bethlehem there were no rooms available in the local
inns, and so Joseph and Mary had to make a place for themselves in a local
stable, where Mary gave birth to Jesus and then laid him in a manger, a feeding
trough for the animals.


The picture painted by the above part
of the Christmas story is not a pretty one. It paints a cold and selfish
picture of the people of Bethlehem. Most people of every age and culture go out
of their way to help women in need, but somehow the people of Bethlehem closed
their doors to this young woman about to give birth. Is that really the picture
of the birth of Christ that the Word of God paints for us? We will see that
there is a joyful picture of giving in the Christmas story that has been hidden
from the eyes of many Christians, but which shows the true heart of Christmas:
giving to others from a joyful heart.


The modern Christian understanding of the birth of Jesus comes largely from
extra-biblical works and traditions imported into the Gospels, rather than the
biblical record itself. Much misinformation came from a document that was
widely circulated in the early centuries of the Christian era. It is referred
to by scholars as the Protevangelium of James, and was likely written
in the third century A.D. The Protevangelium
is the first document scholars are aware of that refers to Jesus being born
close to Mary’s arrival in Bethlehem, though it says Jesus was born in a cave
before Joseph and Mary even reached Bethlehem. Sadly, in ancient times as well
as today, people seem to pay more attention to what people say about the Bible
than what the Bible itself says.

We do not know how large a part the Protevangelium
played in developing the tradition that Mary gave birth to Jesus the night she
and Joseph arrived in Bethlehem. However, we do know that the traditional
belief became easier to sustain as the center of Christian culture moved to
Europe, where day-to-day life was quite different from life in Palestine.


Arrival in Bethlehem


When we read the Bible carefully, even
in most English versions, we see that Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem for an
unspecified number of days before Mary gave birth.


Luke 2:6 (KJV)

And so it was, that, while they were there,
the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.


It is clear from Luke 2:6 that Joseph
and Mary did not arrive in Bethlehem the night she gave birth, but days
earlier. Mary gave birth “while they [she and Joseph] were there [in
Bethlehem],” and the verse specifically says “days.” When the word
“days” is
used in the plural in the New Testament, it always refers to “days”
literally
or a period of time. Had Joseph and Mary arrived the day Mary gave birth, the
text would have used “day” or “hours,” not the plural “days.” New
Testament
scholars know this. For example, R. C. H. Lenski writes: “This [the day Jesus
was born] was not the day of Joseph’s and Mary’s arrival….”
 Nevertheless, as usual, scholarship does not
often have the power to overturn tradition, with its well-entrenched stories,
songs, and paintings.


If Joseph and Mary had been staying in
Bethlehem before Jesus was born, how is it that they had not found adequate
lodging? Why give birth in a stable and lay Jesus in a manger? Oops, the Bible
never says the birth was in a stable—that is tradition. If for some
reason Bethlehem was so totally filled with guests and visitors that no one
would open their homes to Joseph and Mary, their relatives Zechariah and
Elizabeth lived only a short distance away, in the hill country of Judah (Luke
1:39 - NASB), and Joseph and Mary could have gone there with only a little
effort. In fact, Mary had visited Elizabeth early in her pregnancy (Luke 1:40).
So Joseph and Mary could have found adequate housing and care if they needed
it.


Getting the Story Straight


The story of the night of Christ’s
birth needs to be retaught and relearned in Christian circles, not only because
truth matters and what actually
happened is important, but because it shows the love and sacrifice that people
make to help each other, and the true joy of giving so that others may be
blessed. That is a much more redemptive rendition of the Christmas story than
townspeople closing their hearts and shutting their doors to a pregnant woman
in need.


In order to see what really happened
around the season of the birth of Christ we will need to glean facts from both
the Greek text and the culture
of the ancient Near East (which, by the way, existed in many parts there until
quite recently). Too often the Greek text alone has been used to try to reveal
biblical truth. The Greek text alone is not enough to rebuild the truth of the
biblical events for a very simple reason: when something in a culture is usual,
well known, normal, or “standard operating procedure,” it is not written
about
in detail. For example, if I write a letter to a friend about my months of
being with my son as he recovered from being wounded in battle, I might say,
“I drove to the hospital every day.” I
would never write: “I went to the hospital in my car, which is a large metal
and plastic mobility device on wheels, with a gasoline engine that starts when
an ignition key is turned, and I made it move by pedals on the floor, (etc).”
It would be ridiculous to write that. Why? Because everyone in today’s culture
knows exactly what I mean when I say, “I drove to the hospital.” Perhaps
2000
years from now, if culture has changed so much that only a few historians know
what a car is, they might wish we described our driving in more detail, but
that is not necessary today. In the same way, things that were part of the
everyday culture of the Bible times were not described in detail in their
writings. We have to learn about the ordinary things of ancient life by piecing
together details from many texts and writings, by using archaeology to study the
material a culture left to us,
and by studying any cultures that still live the same way.


What we will see as we examine the
biblical record from both the Greek text and the culture of the times is that
Joseph and Mary arrived in Bethlehem some time before she gave birth and were
taken into the home of a local resident, likely a relative who was also of the
family of David, in whose home Mary gave birth. Although most English versions
have the phrase, “there was no room for them in the inn,” we will see that
phrase has been both mistranslated and misinterpreted.


Welcomed into a Private Home


Before we look at the mistranslations
of “room” and “inn,” however, let us look at some reasons Joseph and
Mary could
have found a place to stay. First, Joseph was returning to his town of origin.
Historical memories are long in the Middle East, and family support is very
strong. For example, Paul knew he was a descendant of Benjamin (Phil. 3:5),
even though Benjamin lived more than 1500 years earlier than he did. Given the
long family memories in Hebrew culture, once Joseph told people that both he
and Mary were descendants of families from Bethlehem, many homes would be open
to them. In fact, it is likely that Joseph and Mary already knew of relatives
in Bethlehem and may well have gone to those homes first to find lodging. As we
see the true story of Christ’s birth develop, that seems like a very strong
possibility.


Second, not just one, but both Joseph
and Mary were “royals,” because they were both from the royal line of David.
David is so famous in Bethlehem that it is called, “the city of David” (Luke
2:4 - KJV). Being from that famous family would have meant that most homes
would open their doors to them if only for that fact alone. Being able to host
a couple that was direct descendants of David would have been an honor and
privilege.


Third, in every culture women about to
give birth are given special help, and the village of Bethlehem would be no
different. The New Testament scholar Kenneth Bailey, who has spent his life
living in the East and teaching in Universities in Egypt and Lebanon, properly
understands the heart of village life in Palestine and points out that Joseph
and Mary would never have been turned away in their hour of need. He says:

“Was there no sense of honor in
Bethlehem? Surely the community would have sensed its responsibility to help
Joseph find adequate shelter for Mary and provide the care she needed. To turn
away a descendent of David in the city of David would be an unspeakable shame
to the entire village.”


Fourth, and very importantly, the
shepherds who came to see Jesus shortly after his birth knew that he was the
promised Messiah and their Savior. The angel
had made that very clear to them. When they found Joseph, Mary, and their
Savior, and if they in any way felt that he was not being treated well, they
would have been scandalized and outraged, and immediately taken them home to
their own houses. The fact that they did no such thing, but left the new family
where they were and went to tell the good news to the whole area, indicates
they felt Joseph, Mary, and the baby were being well cared for.


It is important that we properly
understand the record of the birth of Christ. The night that Joseph and Mary
arrived in Bethlehem they were not rejected by a local hotel that had its “No
Vacancy” sign turned on. Instead, they were taken into the private home of a
caring family, who let them stay in the family living quarters. This type of
giving and joy of service demonstrates the true meaning of Christmas.


There was No Space in the Guestroom


Let’s read, properly translate, and
correctly understand what happened when Jesus was born.


Luke 2:7

and she [Mary] gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths
and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.


The phrase “no room in the inn” is a
mistranslation that continues to support the misunderstanding about the birth
of Christ.. Two words we must understand to properly interpret the biblical
account are topos, which most versions translate as “room,” and kataluma,
which most versions translate as “inn.” The word topos occurs more
than ninety times in the New Testament. It does not refer to “a room,” like
we
think of a hotel room, or a bedroom, but simply to a place, or a space in a
given area. The text is not saying there was no “room” for Joseph and Mary
as
in the sense of a hotel room, but rather that there was no “space” for them.
Space where? Not in the “inn,” but in the kataluma. What is a kataluma?
In the Gospel record it is a “lodging place” or “guest room,” not a
commercial
lodge, or inn. There was no space for Joseph and Mary in the guest room because
it was already full. It is noteworthy that even Bauer’s Greek-English
Lexicon notes that if Luke 2:7 had meant to say “inn” in the sense of a
hotel, there is a better Greek word that is used elsewhere in Luke.



The normal Greek word for “inn” is pandocheion,
and it refers to a public house for the reception of strangers (caravansary,
khan, inn; we would say hotel or motel). The word pandocheion
was used not only by the Greeks, but also as a loan-word for “inn” or a
commercial lodging place in Hebrew, Arabic, Armenian, Coptic, and Turkish. Luke
uses the word pandocheion in the parable of the Good Samaritan when
the Samaritan took the man who was mugged to a public inn (Luke 10:34).


In contrast to the public inn (pandocheion),
both Mark and Luke use kataluma in their Gospels as a “guest room” in
someone’s house (Mark 14:14; Luke 22:11). When finding a place to eat the Last
Supper with his disciples, Jesus tells them to say to the owner of the house,
“…The Teacher asks: Where is the
guest room [kataluma], where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?” (Luke
22:11). So in both Mark and
Luke, the kataluma is a guest room in a house, not an inn or hotel.


The gospel of Luke also uses the verb
form of kataluma, which is kataluo, “to find rest or
lodging.” When Zacchaeus the tax collector brings Jesus home for a meal, the
Bible says that Jesus goes “to be the guest” [kataluo] at Zacchaeus’
house (Luke 19:7). So Luke uses both the noun kataluma and the verb kataluo
to refer to a room in someone’s house. The fact that pandocheion is a
better word for “inn” than kataluma, along with the fact that Luke
used pandocheion for an “inn” and kataluma for a guest room,
is very solid evidence that Luke is telling us the family who took in Joseph
and Mary had “no space” in their “guest room.” Thus the Bible should not
be
translated to say there was no room for them in the inn, but rather there was
“no space for them in the guest room.” It is noteworthy that Young’s
Literal Translation of the Bible, done by Robert Young, the same man who
produced Young’s Concordance to the Bible, translates Luke 2:7 as
follows: “…there was not for them a place in the guest-chamber.”


One thing that is left out of the
biblical record is why the guest room was full. Although we will never know for
sure, there are a couple of possibilities. First, if Jesus was born when we
think
he was, the first day of Tishri, it is possible that Jerusalem and the
surrounding region was already experiencing a large influx of people for the
season of the year, because it had the largest number of sacred days and feasts.
The month of Tishri (usually
around our September) had the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1), the Day of
Atonement (Tishri 10), and the Feast of Tabernacles (Tishri 15-22), and anyone
who was traveling a very long distance to be at Jerusalem for any of them might
have wanted to be there for the entire festival season. Also, Luke tells us the
reason that Joseph traveled to Bethlehem was due to the Caesar’s tax
registration (Luke 2:1-4), and it is possible that other family members besides
Joseph had decided to travel to Bethlehem at that time, when they could
both register for the tax and be part of the celebrations in Jerusalem.



Common Features of an Eastern Life


There are a few things about ordinary
houses and ordinary life in first century Palestine that we must know in order
to understand the birth of Jesus. One is that it was quite common for houses in
the Middle East to have a guest room where guests, and even strangers, could
stay. Showing hospitality to strangers has always been a huge part of Eastern
life, and is written about in the Bible and in many books on the customs of the
Bible. Several biblical
records show strangers being given hospitality, including the record of Lot
(Gen. 19:1-4), the man in Gibeah (Judg. 19:19-21), and the Shunamite woman, who
showed hospitality to Elisha by
building a guest room just for him (2 Kings 4:10). Giving hospitality is a
command for Christian leaders as
well (1 Tim. 3:2).

Even poor people could have a guest
room because it did not have to be furnished or have an adjoining bathroom and
shower. People did not generally sleep on beds, but traveled with their own
blankets that they slept on at night, so sleeping arrangements were no problem.
Tables and chairs were not used in the
common homes of first century Palestinians, and the bathroom was a pot,
or a place outside. So the average guest room was simply a small, empty room,
offering shelter and a place of safety. The guest room provided privacy for the
guests as well as the family, because one-room homes were common. Our modern
houses with many rooms were simply not the norm in a village of the first
century. Quite often a family lived in a one-room house, in which all family
activities occurred. They pulled their bedrolls out at night and slept on the
floor, and simply rolled them up again in the morning. Of course, the Bible
does not specify that Joseph and Mary were taken into a one-room house, but
even if it were a larger, two-room house Jesus would still have been born in
the family room of the house. Single room dwellings were so common, however,
that when Jesus taught that a lighted oil lamp (sometimes mistranslated as
“candle”) was lit and put on a stand, it would give light “to everyone in
the
house” (Matt. 5:15).


Another thing we must understand about
houses in the East is that it was common for people to bring their animals,
such as the family donkey, a couple of milk goats, or a cow or two, into the
home at night. Such animals were very valuable, and the people brought them in
at night to keep them from being stolen and to protect them from harm. Also,
the animals added heat to the house, which would be very welcome on
chilly nights. The woman in Endor who King Saul visited at night had her calf
in the house with her: “And the woman had a fat calf in the house” (1 Sam.
28:24, KJV).  Of course, if the family
were shepherds or herdsmen, they would not bring the whole flock or herd into
the house, but would have a family member or hired guard watch them in the
field, just as the shepherds were in the field on the night Jesus was born.


It was a common practice to raise the floor of the part of the
house where the family lived, and keep the animals in an area that was a little
lower. Knowing this helps us understand Luke 2:6 and
also where that idea that Jesus was born in a stable came from. Jesus was laid
in a manger, which is an open trough, box, or bin, where the animal food was
placed so the animals could feed easily. In Western society, mangers are in
barns or stables, so if Jesus was laid in a manger it made sense he was born in
a stable. However, in Eastern society, where the animals grazed outside during
the day and were brought into the house at night, the manger was in the house.
Having the manger in the house kept the animals calm and contented in the
tighter quarters of the house, just as many modern farm animals have a feeding
trough in their stall stay calm and content.


Everyone knew the manger was in the
house, so when the Bible says that Jesus was laid in a manger “because”
there
was no space in the guest room, any Easterner would understand perfectly that
the guest room was full so Jesus was born in the main part of the house where
the family and animals stayed. Sometime after his birth he was safely placed in
the manger, which would have been filled with clean hay or straw and would have
been the perfect size for him. This was not to demean him in any way, but to
care for him. The protective walls of the manger kept him safely guarded and
away from busy feet and a bustling household, as well as warm and protected
from any drafts or cold air in the home.


Another thing that helps us understand
the Christmas story is understanding Eastern hospitality. In the East, guests
were given special treatment of all kinds, including behavior that seems very
extreme to us. For example, in the record of Lot and the two strangers, Lot
would have handed over his own daughters to the mob before surrendering his
guests (Gen. 19:8). Similarly, the people with whom Joseph and Mary stayed
would never displace their guests from the guest room, but instead would
inconvenience themselves, graciously bringing the couple into their living
space.

Another thing we need to know is that
Mary and Joseph would not have been alone when Jesus was born. Actually, Joseph
would not have been there at all, while the women of the household, along with
the women of the family staying in the guest room, most likely the village
midwife, and perhaps even wise and experienced women from the neighborhood,
would have been present. They would have shooed Joseph and the rest of the men
out of the house some time during Mary’s labor (actually, the men would have
graciously left on their own, which was also standard procedure in that
culture). This is all completely normal for birth in a village in Israel.


Someone with a modern Western mindset
may say, “Well, the Bible does not say those women were there.” Of course
not.
We remind the reader that if something was normal for the culture, it was
written about only rarely, if ever. The details of a woman giving birth are
never given in the Bible. Is someone going to insist that none of the women in
the Bible who are mentioned giving birth (and there are dozens of them) had
other women to help them just because those helpers are not specifically
mentioned? That would be absurd. No details of the birth would be given in the
Bible because births were a “normal” part of life, and no first-century
reader
in Palestine would expect anything different than what usually happens with a
village birth. In fact, if the women of the household had not been there to
help, that would have been so unusual (and seemingly coldhearted) that it would
probably be written about in the Bible.


While Mary was in labor and giving
birth in the house, the man who owned the house, along with his sons and
Joseph, would have been outside or perhaps in the home of a neighbor, giving
Mary the privacy she needed during the birth of Jesus. Once Jesus was born, a
woman would announce that a baby boy had been born, and there would be
shouting, music, and joyful partying. Of course the men would be allowed back
in the house after there had been adequate time after the birth to get things
back in proper order and make sure Jesus and Mary were comfortable. Thus baby
Jesus would have been born in normal circumstances, with Mary being helped and
cared for by the women around her while the men waited outside to hear the news
of the birth.



The Christmas Story


So we see that the way the birth of
Jesus actually happened is considerably different than what is commonly taught.
It is not that Bethlehem was full of cold-hearted townspeople who would not
take special care of a young woman about to have her first child.


Joseph and Mary arrived in Bethlehem
at least a few days before Mary
gave birth, and were taken in by one of the local homes, most likely that of a
relative. The host family already had guests in the kataluma, the
guest room, so there was no space (topos) for them there. Therefore,
the homeowners graciously made room for Joseph and Mary in their own living
quarters, treating them like family. When Mary went into labor, the men left
their own home to give her privacy, and the women of the household, likely
along with the village midwife, came to Mary’s side for help and support. When
Mary gave birth to our Lord and Savior late in the evening (after sunset) or at
night, Joseph and the men would have been told the news, and there would have
been much jubilation and revelry, which was always a traditional part of the
birth of a baby boy, particularly if it was a first child. Sometime later the
men would have been called back into the house to see the new baby boy.


Not too long after Jesus was born, he
was wrapped in swaddling clothes, dedicated to God, and placed in a perfect
spot, the manger in the family home, which would have been cleaned and made up
with fresh hay or straw. No doubt the news soon spread around the village that
a baby boy had been born (the music and shouting would have helped that
happen), and that both the mother and baby were doing well, but this kind of
news was common in village life. However, soon there was news that was anything
but common. Shepherds showed up from a nearby field to see the newborn child,
and after seeing him, went out and told the village that a great light had
shined around them, that they had seen an army of angels on the hillsides, and
that an angel had told them
that this baby was no ordinary baby, but the Messiah, the Savior. Their report
caused great wonder all over
the region, and resulted in glory and praise to God.


The story of the birth of Christ
reveals what we today consider to be the true spirit of Christmas. Not people
closing their hearts and homes to a couple in need, but rather people opening
both their hearts and their homes, and joyfully giving to others in need and
helping where they can. It is wonderful that the Christ, who gave so much to so
many, was born in circumstances in which people were so giving to him.






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youknow Dan the struggle with a matter as this is only a struggle when there is
something one is struggling to hold onto - even if that something is only
abstract in nature, and not always a material thing.

the struggle with anything is always released when the matter IS released; and
then settled, by resignment. or just re asign all the doubt at the feet of
Jesus, ina simple prayer with a simple sort of faith. it doesn't take a great
faith to resign something to God.
resign the struggle itself; that sort of struggle in the soul
as you have undergone for a time now. even if the struggle itself
is a problem with trusting or believing God "for yourself", that He
would care enough to be concerned with you, to show Himself strong
in your life in the way you would likeHim to show.

it's like this, nothing is gained by doubting God
so resign whatever doubt that comes to mind and place it fromm you
by simply refusing to give whatever thought that came with that doubt
to linger even a minute, reject it mentally, reject it verbally
reject it like any other thing you have rejected naturally;

i know you know how to reject something that wouldn't suit you
like if i said something about myself like, "Dan I am so stupid;
I'm not good for nothing anymore - not one thing!" - then if i know
you like i think i do you'd respond with something like: "that ain't true
scotty, there is alot good about you"... so do the same towards
yourself and reject what it is causing you to do nothing or causing
you to think you're doing nothing but the big lazy thing.

you have the strength of a wrestler brother; but don't make any
room for a midgit. a dwalf, a puny weak punk to come along
and hold you down. A "negitive thought embraced and cradled" and milked along
can be one of those dwalves. beging thinking and embracing
all that gives strength to the spirit man, and the spirit man
in you will get strong. as a man thinks, so is he.

make your inner man strong by resigning the negitive thoughts
all over to God, and then once you are clear of what has been resigned
you then resist any other newer negitive self image'

you can't get over and past the negitive if you continue stuffing
from the table of guilt. just don't eat the guilt, and stop
allowing it to eat at you. guilt is beneight you - it is smaller
than you. beat that devil brother into submission by submission;
through resigning the battle over to God. if you resign the battle
you wouldn't feel the need to resign yourself away from here
or the church - it is just a bait ploy to isolate and destroy.
don't listen to that lie. to even repeat such aligns you with a liar;
satan. i know you would hate for me to say a lie to you or say a lie about you,
and you would confront me if i did, so then do the same
and confront the devil's ploy by resisting that lie.

what you posted below in this post Dan is nothing but a repeated lie. because
it came from a ploy of satan: to tangle you up worse.


so what are you going to do now? call me a liar? no. call that
devil one lying %*&##@ ^%*& *& # %@*%$ AND GET UP AN FIGHT!

DAN I LOVE YOU MAN.
scott






















--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "bikercowboygonebad" <dannydiekman@...>
wrote:
>
> and me im doing nothing setting on my big lazy .
> no gass i just stay home felling depressed i dont think i can go and do what
thay do im no good im gald there helping thouse hear in colorado
> shame on me huh. well take care .
> maybe it time to let go of this site and my church just be me
> take care.
>

Evangelist Oral Roberts Dies In Calif. At Age 91

What is it with satan that he keeps tryin the same thing?
This is the 4th time he has tyred to give be bowl cancer!

1st time the lump in me bowl a rice grain size till it got to about golf ball
size over some months and well I'm not bendin over in front of the doc for him
to put a finger there to check let alone cut out a heap of me bowl so keep
seeking God. By the golf ball size it was gettin painful as well but kept seekin
God then one Saturday night that scripture if ya go the the elders they will
anoint ya with oil & the prayer of faith will make ya well dropped into me head,
I just knew that it was from God so now I had my ramer word. The next morning at
the end of church (small country church of about 30) the Pastor just happened to
ask if anyone needed prayer (not normal) so went strait up & told him all this
so he puts oil on me forehead & gets a couple of others to come & pray with him
for me. That night I was still a bit itchy so went to put some ointment on, the
lump is gone Praise God!!!!

2nd time it came back I got offered VIP tickets to go see Reinhard Bonnke who I
supported a bit in our state capital. I took along the guy where we were staying
along with a mate of his & me wife. It was incredible how God took control that
night, as we were pulling in they opened up a car park right next to the
building then showed an usher me VIP ticket & we got taken to the front of the
long line but the usher there said this was run by there church & they wouldn't
honer the ticket (use him but not honer him?) but we were at the front of the
line waiting as there members went strait in & then they opened the doors to us,
just as we got in they opened up the side grand stand of the basketball stadium
so we ended up just 50 feet from the preaching to the side in a stadium!!! The
time came to pray for the sick & he aske us to put our hand where we need God to
touch us, well I am not puttin my hand on me but so stomach will do as God knows
anyway. He prays & I feel nothing, on way back to Andys (my former Pastor) he
says well I had better let the doc check me out anyway as we have to use wisdom
- no way, no we have to use faith! On the 160 mile trip home the next day a song
came on the mp3 mixed CD I had going that sang about how faith is the evidence
of thing unseen, I knew this was from God for me now so just kept believing I
was healed, stating to satan I was healed by Jesus stripes then about a couple
of months later the lump starts to shrink & was gone about a month later. Praise
God, he has healed me again!!!

3rd time God sent me to India to preach for a month with an Indian Pastor I had
met on the net (I thought yer right when he asked me at first till God told me
to go). Just before I am due to leave the lump comes back, satan your a lier &
this is a lying sign! As Im prayin for the sick I have satan in me ear tellin me
how can I pray for the sick if I have cancer meself? Ya a lier satan! As I am
prayin for the sick from village to village at the end of telling them who Jesus
is & what He done for them (many accepted Jesus) nothing seemed to be happening
as I was prayin for the sick so ask God what give here, don't I have the gift of
healing or something? Then we go out to this village near where we had been a
few days earlier, a old lady comes up & starts thanking me over & over, then it
clicks that this is the blind lady I had prayed for a few days earlier & God has
healed her in spite of my douts, thanks Lord, I will just pray even if I see
nothing more & believe Ya doing it. I didn't see another healing as such but
believe God healed many more that came to Him in faith.

4th time is now, have a lump about the size of a pea that gets itchy!
I am bettin my life on the fact that Jesus healed me by His stripes 2000 years
ago. Hows your faith, willin to bet your life on Jesus?
IP Logged
Ephesians 3:8 (NIV) Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this
grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ

and me im doing nothing setting on my big lazy .
no gass i just stay home felling depressed i dont think i can go and do what
thay do im no good im gald there helping thouse hear in colorado
shame on me huh. well take care .
maybe it time to let go of this site and my church just be me
take care.

Hey Danielle!!!

I am Gracie, the womens ministry director & secretary, if you have any
prayer needs please let us know so we can pray for you. This is a place
where we seek to learn to do life with one another in Christ. If you
have anything that you may feel that you want prayer for, share or just
talk about, but dont want to do it publicly, feel free to e-mail me, k?
Or any of the CB leaders...so pull up a chair and get comfy - WELCOME!

In Him!
Gracie (((hugs)))




--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "chaplainscotty2"
<chaplainscotty2@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome Danielle (whitedove412sd) from Colorado!
>
> Danielle is C-B's latest new member since Thanksgiving day.
> Danielle I read how you and your husband are in motorcycle ministry,
> working among the homeless, addicted, eldarly, and other biker
outreaches. It always personally awe inspires me when ever God sends our
way those in like ministry with ours and as well, with many other
member's here.
>
>
> Please know, with all sincereity, you are welcome here.
> You may not be that far from another member here Dan - also in
Colorado.
> Perhaps you know him?
>
> Im just now getting back online in a regular basis after at least a
year long sabbathical from the Internet.
>
>
> This is your Front Porch Reporter, Chaplain Scott, (chapdaddy)
> greeting you from my porch in 43^ temptature, where it's clear
> and calm.
>
> Please make known any of your prayer requests you'd like to share for
> coorporate prayer; testimonmies of praise; concerns; ministry news or
> just general fellowship among the body here.
>
> The group here is alive and still breathing - even if the posts are
> sparingly made, but it still has a mighty big ear; cause Jesus is
here.
> This is actually His group with His chosen, holy treasures in ministry
> positions. Each were chosen years ago by the Spirit of Prophecy, which
> is the testimony of Jesus - two of these precious vessels of God have
> already preceeded us to their re reward... with our LORD.
> Both of these were mouth pieces of God, but not by "lip service" only,
> but whom were truly Godly in Christ Jesus and filled with God's love
> above their rims, pouring out unto others. I and all who knew them
> miss Kristina and Pastor Eric dearly,
>
> They would be pleased to know we are soon to be entering over
> into C-B's 10th year, on Christmas day 2009.
>
> Danielle, speaking personally and for others in the group as well,
> we are glad to have you.
>
> don't be shy in sharing.
>
> Scott
>

Popularly known as "the porn pastor," Craig Gross has one simple message he
wants to tell: Jesus loves you no matter who you are or what you've done.



That means Jesus loves gluttons, criminals, porn stars, homosexuals and even the
religious.



Such inclusive messages are what have drawn some critical looks from the more
conservative Christians. When Gross moved out to Las Vegas about a year ago and
began proclaiming "Jesus loves sin city," some rejected the message saying it
was wrong.



Now, the Las Vegas pastor is about to embark on a unique book tour to tell
anyone and everyone that Jesus loves them.

Gross believes Jesus' vision and values have been distorted, twisted, hijacked,
tweaked, relabeled, and distorted again, he writes in his upcoming book Jesus
Loves You This I Know. And in the process, many have missed the simple yet
profound message that Jesus loves them.



Christians have long been taught what Gross calls the "three-step approach to
God."

"It starts with belief. Essentially, if you believe the right things, it will
lead to a change in behavior. When you have changed your behavior, you will be
accepted by the church. Believe, Behave, Belong."

Rejecting that approach, Gross declares, "It's time to flip this."



"The Jesus of scripture reached out and loved people regardless of where they
were. It is essential to show people that they can belong in your world even if
they don't act, think, behave, or believe like you."



Whether a drunk, an inmate, a porn star or someone who claims to be Christian,
"[t]o Jesus, we're all just people who need God to save us from the mess we are
in and lead us to a better way," says Gross.



As part of the Jesus Loves You project, Gross and co-author Jason Harper are
launching on Sunday a six-city tour across the country. Their first stop is
Topeka, Kan., where the infamous Westboro Baptist Church is located.

Their visit to Westboro is related to the last chapter, "Jesus Loves the
Religious," in their book.

It was the toughest chapter to write, Gross says, because some of the most
religious bring a bad name to Jesus. And Westboro Church is ultra-religious, he
says.



When they arrive, the authors are not going to protest the church but they'll
attend worship service there. Their intention is to simply show the family love
and tell them that Jesus loves them.



Other stops in their tour will also relate to one of the ten chapters in the
book including "Jesus Loves the Glutton," "Jesus Loves the Crook," "Jesus Loves
the Outcast," "Jesus Loves the Disconnected," and of course "Jesus Loves the
Porn Star."

For the glutton stop, Gross and Harper will be giving away 400 lunch buffets at
The Orleans Hotel in Las Vegas on Sept. 30. The following week, Gross will
debate porn star Ron Jeremy in Los Angeles. Then reaching the disconnected, the
authors will be giving away a house in Detroit, Mich. Later in October, Gross
and Harper will preach to inmates at Folsom State Prison in California.



Their last stop is the Atlanta Pride Festival on Oct. 30-Nov. 1 where they will
set up a booth with the message "We Are Sorry."



"We're going to communicate that Jesus loves people right where they are,"
Harper said on XXXChurch.tv. "It gives us the opportunity to say 'I'm sorry ...
for the way that we've punished people in the gay community by being judgmental,
condemning or even dogmatic about their approach to life.'"



"I believe that rather than looking at their sexuality, we can speak to their
spirituality and then let God work on their hearts the rest of the way," Harper
noted.



Harper and Gross are anything but conventional pastors but they are two guys
whose lives have been changed by Jesus and who want to tell others about him.

"Doesn't matter what you do or who you are: Jesus. Loves. You," says Gross.

Pappadave,
In my past research I discovered the Palestinians today
are the OT Biblical Philistines; and the
Lebanon peoples are the OT Biblical Canaanites.
These are the same ones King David in 2 Sam. show to be
"the enemies of God". Goliath and his brother were
  Philistines.  This modern race derives from the enemies of God because they
have the genes of the Genesis 6 giants in their NATURE,
And  that includes the nature of having their imagination
continually set on evil. Those radical ones in this race have their
Minds set on evil continually. How many Philistines in the OT
were ever recorded as having repented or converted over to the God
Of Israel? Perhaps few if any, because the Bible gives no accounts among the
Philistines.

Watch this video about the shocking similarites between Muslim and Nazi beliefs.
Listen to a former Palestinian terrorist. What is being taught to Muslim
children will shock and amaze you!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related

good post Dave. If they did only want peace that might be another matter but
that isn't their drive. The Islamic Jadah spirit iS the same hate spirit of the
Natzi - revived.

check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related

good evening
Scott

--- In Christian-Bikers@yahoogroups.com, "David Treadwell" <papadavenrebel@...>
wrote:
>
> (Text is forwarded as received)
>
> This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have
> ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long,
> easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr.
> Emanuel Tanay, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.
>
> A German's View on Islam
>
> A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a
> number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people
> were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward
> fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed
> the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one
> of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority
> just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us,
> and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come My family lost
> everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my
> factories.'
>
>
>
> We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is
> the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to
> live in peace.. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is
> entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better,
> and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the
> globe in the name of Islam.
>
> The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is
> the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting
> wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or
> tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire
> continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder,
> or honour-kill... It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It
> is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims
> and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to
> become suicide bombers.
>
> The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent
> majority,' is cowed and extraneous.
>
> Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace,
> yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20
> million people.. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China 's huge
> population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a
> staggering 70 million people.
>
> The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering
> sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia
> in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million
> Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.
>
> And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be
> said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
>
> History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
> powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
>
> Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
>
> Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because
> like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the
> fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.
>
> Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans,
> Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have
> died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
> As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group
> that counts  --  the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
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> Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this
> email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows
> the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on
> and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about
> it, and send it on - before it's too late.
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