When I go to that listing now, I don’t see any posts at all other than the “Publish Listing” item.   Maybe Zeppo cleared them all out?   If anyone has a copy of them I’d like to see them and report the whole thing to Groundspeak.   Was the issue that people weren’t going to be getting pathtags? 

 

Anyhow, don’t let a bunch of idiots take any joy or comfort from you that Geocaching gives.   It’s amazing how upset and vicious people can be when they have the anonymity of a computer and internet.    Know that 99% of the Geocachers out there are like the ones that you have come to know and love.     The main thing is that you continue doing the activity that you enjoy, and that has helped you so much.     Spectrum issues are tough, and you have already started to conquer them.   Don’t let this push you back!

 

 

 

From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of busybeetoni
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:49 PM
To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: On a day honoring TOLERANCE :(

 

 

I think the reason Prime Reviewer allowed the cache to be published was because of the way zeppo worded it. He does not state in the description that all caches must be found in 2013, he only states that if you want the pathtag they must be found in 2013. Although I thought people would be upset about the new rules I thought they would be aimed at Groundspeak and not at me.

I have gotten threats, including daring me to show up at the Texas Challenge. I won't be going. In fact, I won't be going to any events in the near future. You might see my name on a log here and there because I'm not giving up on a sport I so love, and a sport that has changed my life beyond what any of you can imagine.

Let me tell you a story about the first tb I found. It wanted to go to a cache in La Grange. At that time back in 2010, I had occasionally geocached here and there close to my house. I decided to take that tb to La Grange. I didn't cache along the way, I didn't cache back, and that was the only cache I got in that park. You have no idea what a big deal that was for me. You see, being on the autism spectrum had made me slightly agoraphobic. I grocery shopped at 6am, and did most of the rest of my shopping on Amazon. Heck, I still do those things. God bless Walmart for being open 24 hours.

But then in Janary 2011, MCP had a milestone event and I thought if I worked real hard I could get to 100 and I did. And then I met you guys. Because we all shared this love of geocaching, I finally fit in somewhere. You guys taught me how to use my gps properly and I got one for my car and now I can go anywhere. I still don't drive at night, and there's too much activity going on around me to do too much city caching. It's more than just not liking being in traffic. I can't concentrate when things are moving so fast all around me. But I'm out there. Wanna know why I have so many cemetery caches? Because I mostly cache in the country. I got the three caches I needed in Dallas and headed for the country.

Anyway I digress. I need to take a break and decompress. I don't know if any of you saw the movie Temple Grandin, but I could really use a squeeze machine right now. But I'll be back. It's best if you guys didn't associate with me too much until after the challenge.

tfbrown

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, shawnolsen@... wrote:
>
> Lets beat them at the challenge in Port A!
>
> Shawn/s6sputnik
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2013 11:20:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> shawnolsen@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> That is crazy!
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2013 10:55:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> bigguy9211116@... writes:
>
>
> On a day set aside to honor a man that stood up for tolerance and equality
> I am saddened by all the hoopla circling around our own tfbrown and a
> cache in the Dallas area.
>
> I dont' know how many of you watch the cache GC432W3 - "2013 Geocacheers
> To Do List" by zeppo!, but maybe you should go there and read the ugly,
> mean, nasty, and even threatening posts made by so many.
>
> I am saddened by the whole affair and I can only imagine what tfbrown must
> be feeling.
>
> I have tried to make some sense out of the whole thing and have tried very
> hard not to get involved (except one post in her defense) but I just had
> to vent somewhere.
>
> After much reflection, I have come to a realization that Prime Reviewer
> allowed this cache to be published as a 2013 finds only cache! That must be
> why the cachers up there are so upset. They are not aware that down here we
> were not ALLOWED to do that!
>
> I listed GC4291X - The @#$%& ABC Challenge even before zeppo! did (mine
> published 12/28/12, his was published 12/31/12) and was explicitly told that
> this was not allowed by Groundspeak.
>
> Well, I guess this truly means that we are NOT all equal!
>
> Please know that I mean no disrespect to anyone involved with this cache.
> I represent no opinions other than my own and I speak for no one except
> myself. Thank you for the opporutnity to speak.
>
> A sad day indeed,
>
> Esther/ Bigguy In Texas
>

I've just posted a GSAK macro file to this forum that will check your 'Found'
database for compliance with Big Guy in Texas / Blizzard's 2013 ABC Challenge
Cache -  GC4291X

The differences from last year are as I see it :

1. Anywhere in Texas - not just CTX counties

2. Addition of 'special character' caches. For the purposes of the macro I've
used the following list of special characters, if there are others that need
adding, please let me know.

`~!@#$%^&*()-_=+[]{}\|;:,<.>/?'"

(It stops checking after 5 are found as that's all that is needed)

3. WARNING There are many, many combinations of finds possible and order
matters. For example - do you count 'Final Stop #1' as an 'F' or as a '#' or as
a'1'? This macro does not check every possible order combination, life is too
short, but it does check many. It is always possible that it might miss the
'perfect' combination.

4. As written, the macro requires that finds are in 2013. If you want to change
that, please do so. That's just my personal choice. Change $FoundDate =
"2013-01-01" in line 21 to whatever date you want to use.

After it runs you will get a window showing you your progress, and there is a
copy of that in your clipboard ready to be pasted into a message, like this, I
still have 11 to find this year...


A 1/6/2013 GC4385E A shocking experience�
B 1/2/2013 GC43N4T Booshie Box
C 1/2/2013 GC12N7M Ceramics 101
D 1/2/2013 GC1MCXM Down and Out the Spout
E 1/20/2013 GC3CVD0 Electroshock Therapy
F 1/20/2013 GC42MW5 Final Stop
G 1/20/2013 GC2Q2F0 God's Acre
H
I
J
K
L 1/13/2013 GC3H6KN Long Live the Trolls!
M 1/6/2013 GC35699 My variation on an enigma puzzle
N
O 1/6/2013 GC3AJKC On the fence!
P
Q
R 1/13/2013 GC3C2P3 Runner's Gold
S 1/20/2013 GC2GWZ7 SeaBrook
T 1/2/2013 GC43NF9 The "V" Tree
U
V
W 1/6/2013 GC43826 Welcome to Formula 1 Austin TX. #1
X
Y
Z
 	 - - -
1 1/6/2013 GC30170 The Geocaching Matrix 11
3 1/6/2013 GC4383A Welcome to Formula 1 Austin TX #3
 	 - - -
' 1/3/2013 GC43QJE Dr. Wacko's Hideout
/ 1/20/2013 GC34CYF What-A-Cache / Bevo!
- 1/20/2013 GC42MV4 Mt. Calvary  - The Fattore Story
# 1/6/2013 GC4383V Welcome to Formula 1 Austin TX #4
! 1/13/2013 GC37KVK Arf Arf Arf Arf!

	 21 Caches found out of the 33 needed


Mike

I don't have a copy of the messages, but it was pretty bad.  And yes, Zeppo did
just delete them because I have my deletion notices.

Here is the issue.  Groundspeak made up a rule back in March 2012 that
challenges can no longer have date parameters on them.  In other words, you
can't say that all caches have to be found within a specific time frame.  On the
cache page, it doesn't say that all caches have to be found in 2013, only that
you have to find them in 2013 to earn a pathtag.  I took that as I read it and
logged a find this weekend.  He deleted my first one, which I understood because
I hadn't finished my bookmark list.  I was logging it at the site because I know
how testy cachers get when they think they're going for a FTF only to find out
someone else has already logged it.  BTW, I thought the only reason people
hadn't claimed it as of yet was because they were going for the pathtag.

So I get to my hotel and finished my bookmark list and post my find again. 
That's when all heck broke out.  Zeppo deleted my post again stating that all
caches had to be found in 2013.  Once again I posted a find explaining that I
wasn't going for the pathtag.  I thought maybe zeppo didn't know about the new
rule, but it turns out he did.  And since it got past Prime Reviewer that's how
he was going to run the cache.  I still think it got thru PR because of how the
page was worded.  I'm not going to post another find and keep this nightmare
going because I can't take it anymore.  But I tend to agree with Matthew that
the cache ought to be archived.  I'm not sure who this zeppo guy is or why he's
above the rules set forth by groundspeak, but I'm not crazy about him or his
many winged-monkey minions.

tfbrown

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Gary Eckhardt  wrote:
>
> When I go to that listing now, I don't see any posts at all other than the
> "Publish Listing" item.   Maybe Zeppo cleared them all out?   If anyone has
> a copy of them I'd like to see them and report the whole thing to
> Groundspeak.   Was the issue that people weren't going to be getting
> pathtags?
>
>
>
> Anyhow, don't let a bunch of idiots take any joy or comfort from you that
> Geocaching gives.   It's amazing how upset and vicious people can be when
> they have the anonymity of a computer and internet.    Know that 99% of the
> Geocachers out there are like the ones that you have come to know and love.
> The main thing is that you continue doing the activity that you enjoy, and
> that has helped you so much.     Spectrum issues are tough, and you have
> already started to conquer them.   Don't let this push you back!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of busybeetoni
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:49 PM
> To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: On a day honoring TOLERANCE :(
>
>
>
>
>
> I think the reason Prime Reviewer allowed the cache to be published was
> because of the way zeppo worded it. He does not state in the description
> that all caches must be found in 2013, he only states that if you want the
> pathtag they must be found in 2013. Although I thought people would be upset
> about the new rules I thought they would be aimed at Groundspeak and not at
> me.
>
> I have gotten threats, including daring me to show up at the Texas
> Challenge. I won't be going. In fact, I won't be going to any events in the
> near future. You might see my name on a log here and there because I'm not
> giving up on a sport I so love, and a sport that has changed my life beyond
> what any of you can imagine.
>
> Let me tell you a story about the first tb I found. It wanted to go to a
> cache in La Grange. At that time back in 2010, I had occasionally geocached
> here and there close to my house. I decided to take that tb to La Grange. I
> didn't cache along the way, I didn't cache back, and that was the only cache
> I got in that park. You have no idea what a big deal that was for me. You
> see, being on the autism spectrum had made me slightly agoraphobic. I
> grocery shopped at 6am, and did most of the rest of my shopping on Amazon.
> Heck, I still do those things. God bless Walmart for being open 24 hours.
>
> But then in Janary 2011, MCP had a milestone event and I thought if I worked
> real hard I could get to 100 and I did. And then I met you guys. Because we
> all shared this love of geocaching, I finally fit in somewhere. You guys
> taught me how to use my gps properly and I got one for my car and now I can
> go anywhere. I still don't drive at night, and there's too much activity
> going on around me to do too much city caching. It's more than just not
> liking being in traffic. I can't concentrate when things are moving so fast
> all around me. But I'm out there. Wanna know why I have so many cemetery
> caches? Because I mostly cache in the country. I got the three caches I
> needed in Dallas and headed for the country.
>
> Anyway I digress. I need to take a break and decompress. I don't know if any
> of you saw the movie Temple Grandin, but I could really use a squeeze
> machine right now. But I'll be back. It's best if you guys didn't associate
> with me too much until after the challenge.
>
> tfbrown
>
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
>  , shawnolsen@ wrote:
> >
> > Lets beat them at the challenge in Port A!
> >
> > Shawn/s6sputnik
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/21/2013 11:20:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > shawnolsen@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That is crazy!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/21/2013 10:55:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > bigguy9211116@ writes:
> >
> >
> > On a day set aside to honor a man that stood up for tolerance and equality
>
> > I am saddened by all the hoopla circling around our own tfbrown and a
> > cache in the Dallas area.
> >
> > I dont' know how many of you watch the cache GC432W3 - "2013 Geocacheers
> > To Do List" by zeppo!, but maybe you should go there and read the ugly,
> > mean, nasty, and even threatening posts made by so many.
> >
> > I am saddened by the whole affair and I can only imagine what tfbrown must
>
> > be feeling.
> >
> > I have tried to make some sense out of the whole thing and have tried very
>
> > hard not to get involved (except one post in her defense) but I just had
> > to vent somewhere.
> >
> > After much reflection, I have come to a realization that Prime Reviewer
> > allowed this cache to be published as a 2013 finds only cache! That must
> be
> > why the cachers up there are so upset. They are not aware that down here
> we
> > were not ALLOWED to do that!
> >
> > I listed GC4291X - The @#$%& ABC Challenge even before zeppo! did (mine
> > published 12/28/12, his was published 12/31/12) and was explicitly told
> that
> > this was not allowed by Groundspeak.
> >
> > Well, I guess this truly means that we are NOT all equal!
> >
> > Please know that I mean no disrespect to anyone involved with this cache.
> > I represent no opinions other than my own and I speak for no one except
> > myself. Thank you for the opporutnity to speak.
> >
> > A sad day indeed,
> >
> > Esther/ Bigguy In Texas
> >
>

I even offered to give up the FTF and let it go to one of the 'pathtaggers' if
that's what all the fuss was about, but they weren't happy with that either. 
And no, the page doesn't say the caches have to be found in 2013 unless you want
to earn the pathtag.  Read it.  Don't read between the lines.  READ IT.

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Gary Eckhardt  wrote:
>
> Oh good grief, all this crap over a FTF?   Really?   No, I mean *REALLY*?
>
>
>
> I’ve a right mind to quit the game now if I’m going to associate with
people who would get upset over this.   Thankfully, I know better because of the
group of folks down here treat everyone like family.
>
>
>
> I still would like to see the logs and know who NOT to associate with.
>
>
>
> From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Brooks
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:30 PM
> To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: On a day honoring TOLERANCE :(
>
>
>
>
>
> The issue was that Zeppo said all the caches had to be found in 2013 and she
didn't abide by zeppos rule of the cache.  Lots of people were watching
(including myself) and honoring his challenge.  Tfbrown swooped in and grabbed
the FTF by using caches found in previous years.
>
>
>
> Just frustrating when the 50+ people who were watching and playing by zeppos
rules for this cache lost out in the FTF because tfbrown went by ground speak
rules.
>
>
>
> He cleaned out the log because it was getting messy and he didn't want it to
be a forum of complaining.  I don't think he's trying to sweep it under the rug
- just trying to get the cache back on track to be fun and challenging as
intended
>
>
>
> He also said if it gets archived then oh well
>
>
>
> It is just a game
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Gary Eckhardt  wrote:
>
>
>
> When I go to that listing now, I don’t see any posts at all other than the
“Publish Listing” item.   Maybe Zeppo cleared them all out?   If anyone has
a copy of them I’d like to see them and report the whole thing to Groundspeak.
Was the issue that people weren’t going to be getting pathtags?
>
>
>
> Anyhow, don’t let a bunch of idiots take any joy or comfort from you that
Geocaching gives.   It’s amazing how upset and vicious people can be when they
have the anonymity of a computer and internet.    Know that 99% of the
Geocachers out there are like the ones that you have come to know and love.    
The main thing is that you continue doing the activity that you enjoy, and that
has helped you so much.     Spectrum issues are tough, and you have already
started to conquer them.   Don’t let this push you back!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of busybeetoni
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:49 PM
> To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: On a day honoring TOLERANCE :(
>
>
>
>
>
> I think the reason Prime Reviewer allowed the cache to be published was
because of the way zeppo worded it. He does not state in the description that
all caches must be found in 2013, he only states that if you want the pathtag
they must be found in 2013. Although I thought people would be upset about the
new rules I thought they would be aimed at Groundspeak and not at me.
>
> I have gotten threats, including daring me to show up at the Texas Challenge.
I won't be going. In fact, I won't be going to any events in the near future.
You might see my name on a log here and there because I'm not giving up on a
sport I so love, and a sport that has changed my life beyond what any of you can
imagine.
>
> Let me tell you a story about the first tb I found. It wanted to go to a cache
in La Grange. At that time back in 2010, I had occasionally geocached here and
there close to my house. I decided to take that tb to La Grange. I didn't cache
along the way, I didn't cache back, and that was the only cache I got in that
park. You have no idea what a big deal that was for me. You see, being on the
autism spectrum had made me slightly agoraphobic. I grocery shopped at 6am, and
did most of the rest of my shopping on Amazon. Heck, I still do those things.
God bless Walmart for being open 24 hours.
>
> But then in Janary 2011, MCP had a milestone event and I thought if I worked
real hard I could get to 100 and I did. And then I met you guys. Because we all
shared this love of geocaching, I finally fit in somewhere. You guys taught me
how to use my gps properly and I got one for my car and now I can go anywhere. I
still don't drive at night, and there's too much activity going on around me to
do too much city caching. It's more than just not liking being in traffic. I
can't concentrate when things are moving so fast all around me. But I'm out
there. Wanna know why I have so many cemetery caches? Because I mostly cache in
the country. I got the three caches I needed in Dallas and headed for the
country.
>
> Anyway I digress. I need to take a break and decompress. I don't know if any
of you saw the movie Temple Grandin, but I could really use a squeeze machine
right now. But I'll be back. It's best if you guys didn't associate with me too
much until after the challenge.
>
> tfbrown
>
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com  , shawnolsen@ wrote:
> >
> > Lets beat them at the challenge in Port A!
> >
> > Shawn/s6sputnik
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/21/2013 11:20:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > shawnolsen@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That is crazy!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/21/2013 10:55:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > bigguy9211116@ writes:
> >
> >
> > On a day set aside to honor a man that stood up for tolerance and equality
> > I am saddened by all the hoopla circling around our own tfbrown and a
> > cache in the Dallas area.
> >
> > I dont' know how many of you watch the cache GC432W3 - "2013 Geocacheers
> > To Do List" by zeppo!, but maybe you should go there and read the ugly,
> > mean, nasty, and even threatening posts made by so many.
> >
> > I am saddened by the whole affair and I can only imagine what tfbrown must
> > be feeling.
> >
> > I have tried to make some sense out of the whole thing and have tried very
> > hard not to get involved (except one post in her defense) but I just had
> > to vent somewhere.
> >
> > After much reflection, I have come to a realization that Prime Reviewer
> > allowed this cache to be published as a 2013 finds only cache! That must be
> > why the cachers up there are so upset. They are not aware that down here we
> > were not ALLOWED to do that!
> >
> > I listed GC4291X - The @#$%& ABC Challenge even before zeppo! did (mine
> > published 12/28/12, his was published 12/31/12) and was explicitly told that
> > this was not allowed by Groundspeak.
> >
> > Well, I guess this truly means that we are NOT all equal!
> >
> > Please know that I mean no disrespect to anyone involved with this cache.
> > I represent no opinions other than my own and I speak for no one except
> > myself. Thank you for the opporutnity to speak.
> >
> > A sad day indeed,
> >
> > Esther/ Bigguy In Texas
> >
>

BTW, MustangJoni is the one that threatened me about coming to the Tx challenge.

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "busybeetoni"  wrote:
>
> I even offered to give up the FTF and let it go to one of the 'pathtaggers' if
that's what all the fuss was about, but they weren't happy with that either. 
And no, the page doesn't say the caches have to be found in 2013 unless you want
to earn the pathtag.  Read it.  Don't read between the lines.  READ IT.
>
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Gary Eckhardt  wrote:
> >
> > Oh good grief, all this crap over a FTF?   Really?   No, I mean *REALLY*?
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve a right mind to quit the game now if I’m going to associate with
people who would get upset over this.   Thankfully, I know better because of the
group of folks down here treat everyone like family.
> >
> >
> >
> > I still would like to see the logs and know who NOT to associate with.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Brooks
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:30 PM
> > To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: On a day honoring TOLERANCE :(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The issue was that Zeppo said all the caches had to be found in 2013 and she
didn't abide by zeppos rule of the cache.  Lots of people were watching
(including myself) and honoring his challenge.  Tfbrown swooped in and grabbed
the FTF by using caches found in previous years.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just frustrating when the 50+ people who were watching and playing by zeppos
rules for this cache lost out in the FTF because tfbrown went by ground speak
rules.
> >
> >
> >
> > He cleaned out the log because it was getting messy and he didn't want it to
be a forum of complaining.  I don't think he's trying to sweep it under the rug
- just trying to get the cache back on track to be fun and challenging as
intended
> >
> >
> >
> > He also said if it gets archived then oh well
> >
> >
> >
> > It is just a game
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Gary Eckhardt  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > When I go to that listing now, I don’t see any posts at all other than the
“Publish Listing” item.   Maybe Zeppo cleared them all out?   If anyone has
a copy of them I’d like to see them and report the whole thing to Groundspeak.
Was the issue that people weren’t going to be getting pathtags?
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyhow, don’t let a bunch of idiots take any joy or comfort from you that
Geocaching gives.   It’s amazing how upset and vicious people can be when they
have the anonymity of a computer and internet.    Know that 99% of the
Geocachers out there are like the ones that you have come to know and love.    
The main thing is that you continue doing the activity that you enjoy, and that
has helped you so much.     Spectrum issues are tough, and you have already
started to conquer them.   Don’t let this push you back!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of busybeetoni
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:49 PM
> > To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: On a day honoring TOLERANCE :(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the reason Prime Reviewer allowed the cache to be published was
because of the way zeppo worded it. He does not state in the description that
all caches must be found in 2013, he only states that if you want the pathtag
they must be found in 2013. Although I thought people would be upset about the
new rules I thought they would be aimed at Groundspeak and not at me.
> >
> > I have gotten threats, including daring me to show up at the Texas
Challenge. I won't be going. In fact, I won't be going to any events in the near
future. You might see my name on a log here and there because I'm not giving up
on a sport I so love, and a sport that has changed my life beyond what any of
you can imagine.
> >
> > Let me tell you a story about the first tb I found. It wanted to go to a
cache in La Grange. At that time back in 2010, I had occasionally geocached here
and there close to my house. I decided to take that tb to La Grange. I didn't
cache along the way, I didn't cache back, and that was the only cache I got in
that park. You have no idea what a big deal that was for me. You see, being on
the autism spectrum had made me slightly agoraphobic. I grocery shopped at 6am,
and did most of the rest of my shopping on Amazon. Heck, I still do those
things. God bless Walmart for being open 24 hours.
> >
> > But then in Janary 2011, MCP had a milestone event and I thought if I worked
real hard I could get to 100 and I did. And then I met you guys. Because we all
shared this love of geocaching, I finally fit in somewhere. You guys taught me
how to use my gps properly and I got one for my car and now I can go anywhere. I
still don't drive at night, and there's too much activity going on around me to
do too much city caching. It's more than just not liking being in traffic. I
can't concentrate when things are moving so fast all around me. But I'm out
there. Wanna know why I have so many cemetery caches? Because I mostly cache in
the country. I got the three caches I needed in Dallas and headed for the
country.
> >
> > Anyway I digress. I need to take a break and decompress. I don't know if any
of you saw the movie Temple Grandin, but I could really use a squeeze machine
right now. But I'll be back. It's best if you guys didn't associate with me too
much until after the challenge.
> >
> > tfbrown
> >
> > --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com  , shawnolsen@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets beat them at the challenge in Port A!
> > >
> > > Shawn/s6sputnik
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/21/2013 11:20:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > shawnolsen@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That is crazy!
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/21/2013 10:55:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > bigguy9211116@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > On a day set aside to honor a man that stood up for tolerance and equality
> > > I am saddened by all the hoopla circling around our own tfbrown and a
> > > cache in the Dallas area.
> > >
> > > I dont' know how many of you watch the cache GC432W3 - "2013 Geocacheers
> > > To Do List" by zeppo!, but maybe you should go there and read the ugly,
> > > mean, nasty, and even threatening posts made by so many.
> > >
> > > I am saddened by the whole affair and I can only imagine what tfbrown must
> > > be feeling.
> > >
> > > I have tried to make some sense out of the whole thing and have tried very
> > > hard not to get involved (except one post in her defense) but I just had
> > > to vent somewhere.
> > >
> > > After much reflection, I have come to a realization that Prime Reviewer
> > > allowed this cache to be published as a 2013 finds only cache! That must
be
> > > why the cachers up there are so upset. They are not aware that down here
we
> > > were not ALLOWED to do that!
> > >
> > > I listed GC4291X - The @#$%& ABC Challenge even before zeppo! did (mine
> > > published 12/28/12, his was published 12/31/12) and was explicitly told
that
> > > this was not allowed by Groundspeak.
> > >
> > > Well, I guess this truly means that we are NOT all equal!
> > >
> > > Please know that I mean no disrespect to anyone involved with this cache.
> > > I represent no opinions other than my own and I speak for no one except
> > > myself. Thank you for the opporutnity to speak.
> > >
> > > A sad day indeed,
> > >
> > > Esther/ Bigguy In Texas
> > >
> >
>

NTX takes their FTFs seriously.

Anyways, Groundspeak has the ability to review deleted logs. I am just waiting to see if PR does anything about it. PR can be a little slow, so given a week's time, if no action has been taken, I will send my personal recommendation to Groundspeak for the archival of the cache, bypassing PR.

Toni, I remember caching with you when you were a newbie, all giddy with excitement. Do not let a bunch of backward cachers in NTX prevent you from enjoying the company of the geocachers who love you.

Just don't lump all NTx into that pool. There are more than one of us who agree
with Toni and that rules should be followed. Unfortunately, moreso in NTx, there
are those who don't care. Why? Because there is no punishment. We all want to
park at the front door of Wal-Mart in the summer instead of walking clear across
the hot parking lot, but we don't. Just know there is more than one faction to
NTx and we all don't neccessarily agree with each other much less get along.

Marc (Zeke's Uncle)

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "busybeetoni"  wrote:
>
> I don't have a copy of the messages, but it was pretty bad.  And yes, Zeppo
did just delete them because I have my deletion notices.
>
> Here is the issue.  Groundspeak made up a rule back in March 2012 that
challenges can no longer have date parameters on them.  In other words, you
can't say that all caches have to be found within a specific time frame.  On the
cache page, it doesn't say that all caches have to be found in 2013, only that
you have to find them in 2013 to earn a pathtag.  I took that as I read it and
logged a find this weekend.  He deleted my first one, which I understood because
I hadn't finished my bookmark list.  I was logging it at the site because I know
how testy cachers get when they think they're going for a FTF only to find out
someone else has already logged it.  BTW, I thought the only reason people
hadn't claimed it as of yet was because they were going for the pathtag.
>
> So I get to my hotel and finished my bookmark list and post my find again. 
That's when all heck broke out.  Zeppo deleted my post again stating that all
caches had to be found in 2013.  Once again I posted a find explaining that I
wasn't going for the pathtag.  I thought maybe zeppo didn't know about the new
rule, but it turns out he did.  And since it got past Prime Reviewer that's how
he was going to run the cache.  I still think it got thru PR because of how the
page was worded.  I'm not going to post another find and keep this nightmare
going because I can't take it anymore.  But I tend to agree with Matthew that
the cache ought to be archived.  I'm not sure who this zeppo guy is or why he's
above the rules set forth by groundspeak, but I'm not crazy about him or his
many winged-monkey minions.
>
> tfbrown
>
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Gary Eckhardt  wrote:
> >
> > When I go to that listing now, I don't see any posts at all other than the
> > "Publish Listing" item.   Maybe Zeppo cleared them all out?   If anyone has
> > a copy of them I'd like to see them and report the whole thing to
> > Groundspeak.   Was the issue that people weren't going to be getting
> > pathtags?
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyhow, don't let a bunch of idiots take any joy or comfort from you that
> > Geocaching gives.   It's amazing how upset and vicious people can be when
> > they have the anonymity of a computer and internet.    Know that 99% of the
> > Geocachers out there are like the ones that you have come to know and love.
> > The main thing is that you continue doing the activity that you enjoy, and
> > that has helped you so much.     Spectrum issues are tough, and you have
> > already started to conquer them.   Don't let this push you back!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of busybeetoni
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:49 PM
> > To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: On a day honoring TOLERANCE :(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the reason Prime Reviewer allowed the cache to be published was
> > because of the way zeppo worded it. He does not state in the description
> > that all caches must be found in 2013, he only states that if you want the
> > pathtag they must be found in 2013. Although I thought people would be upset
> > about the new rules I thought they would be aimed at Groundspeak and not at
> > me.
> >
> > I have gotten threats, including daring me to show up at the Texas
> > Challenge. I won't be going. In fact, I won't be going to any events in the
> > near future. You might see my name on a log here and there because I'm not
> > giving up on a sport I so love, and a sport that has changed my life beyond
> > what any of you can imagine.
> >
> > Let me tell you a story about the first tb I found. It wanted to go to a
> > cache in La Grange. At that time back in 2010, I had occasionally geocached
> > here and there close to my house. I decided to take that tb to La Grange. I
> > didn't cache along the way, I didn't cache back, and that was the only cache
> > I got in that park. You have no idea what a big deal that was for me. You
> > see, being on the autism spectrum had made me slightly agoraphobic. I
> > grocery shopped at 6am, and did most of the rest of my shopping on Amazon.
> > Heck, I still do those things. God bless Walmart for being open 24 hours.
> >
> > But then in Janary 2011, MCP had a milestone event and I thought if I worked
> > real hard I could get to 100 and I did. And then I met you guys. Because we
> > all shared this love of geocaching, I finally fit in somewhere. You guys
> > taught me how to use my gps properly and I got one for my car and now I can
> > go anywhere. I still don't drive at night, and there's too much activity
> > going on around me to do too much city caching. It's more than just not
> > liking being in traffic. I can't concentrate when things are moving so fast
> > all around me. But I'm out there. Wanna know why I have so many cemetery
> > caches? Because I mostly cache in the country. I got the three caches I
> > needed in Dallas and headed for the country.
> >
> > Anyway I digress. I need to take a break and decompress. I don't know if any
> > of you saw the movie Temple Grandin, but I could really use a squeeze
> > machine right now. But I'll be back. It's best if you guys didn't associate
> > with me too much until after the challenge.
> >
> > tfbrown
> >
> > --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
> >  , shawnolsen@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets beat them at the challenge in Port A!
> > >
> > > Shawn/s6sputnik
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/21/2013 11:20:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > shawnolsen@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That is crazy!
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/21/2013 10:55:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > bigguy9211116@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > On a day set aside to honor a man that stood up for tolerance and equality
> >
> > > I am saddened by all the hoopla circling around our own tfbrown and a
> > > cache in the Dallas area.
> > >
> > > I dont' know how many of you watch the cache GC432W3 - "2013 Geocacheers
> > > To Do List" by zeppo!, but maybe you should go there and read the ugly,
> > > mean, nasty, and even threatening posts made by so many.
> > >
> > > I am saddened by the whole affair and I can only imagine what tfbrown must
> >
> > > be feeling.
> > >
> > > I have tried to make some sense out of the whole thing and have tried very
> >
> > > hard not to get involved (except one post in her defense) but I just had
> > > to vent somewhere.
> > >
> > > After much reflection, I have come to a realization that Prime Reviewer
> > > allowed this cache to be published as a 2013 finds only cache! That must
> > be
> > > why the cachers up there are so upset. They are not aware that down here
> > we
> > > were not ALLOWED to do that!
> > >
> > > I listed GC4291X - The @#$%& ABC Challenge even before zeppo! did (mine
> > > published 12/28/12, his was published 12/31/12) and was explicitly told
> > that
> > > this was not allowed by Groundspeak.
> > >
> > > Well, I guess this truly means that we are NOT all equal!
> > >
> > > Please know that I mean no disrespect to anyone involved with this cache.
> > > I represent no opinions other than my own and I speak for no one except
> > > myself. Thank you for the opporutnity to speak.
> > >
> > > A sad day indeed,
> > >
> > > Esther/ Bigguy In Texas
> > >
> >
>

I apologize for the winged-monkey minions remark and regretted it as soon as I
pushed that button.

Exactly.  Putting 2013 in the title and on the top line doesn't superceded
Groundspeak rules.

Anyway, I'm going to my happy place now.  Why don't you turn this back into a
happy place and I'll see you all soon.

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Rachele DiTullio  wrote:
>
> Wade,
>
> I'm not asking whether the CO would have noticed; I'm asking if we would be
> having this public discussion if she had been anything other than FTF. And
> I interpret the cache name to simply mean a new cache for a new year; I
> don't understand why anyone thinks that the CO's intent trumps the
> Groundspeak rules. Why is that?
>
> -Rachele/strontium87
>

Sorry to hear this happened Toni. I didn't get to read the logs before they were
deleted but backhanded and/or threatening comments are always uncalled for. I've
unfortunately had people leave snarky comments directed at me but, from the
sounds of it, nothing as extreme as yours.

I'm only now familiar with the new rule but guess I would compare it to every
other complaint about "going against the COs intension/instruction/BS" ...which
I've certainly been accused of doing, lol. Nothing in the rules saying you can't
out-think a hide however COs and lurkers sure get their panties in a wad if you
do, so you should expect the same I figure.

Ultimately, if you don't want to get called out then I guess you *should* take
into account what the CO's intention is for the cache/challenge and, *probably
more importantly*, what hoops your fellow cachers are jumping through that you
are side stepping. IMHO it's really you ruining the game just as much as your
critics with their nasty comments--it takes two to tango... And forcing the
cache to be archived (either by you or your supporters) is a clear continuation
of such nastiness.

Everyone rule bends I figure (I do), but avoid the especially taboo stuff if you
don't want to be a target--I've noticed you do/did use to log your own hides
(more than once if you replaced the log), count events as FTFs, count your own
events as FTFs, sidestep CO intents, claim unfound hides (we share a FTF and we
certainly did not find it together), etc, etc... Hey, if that's the way you want
to play then whatever, but doing those things are going to open you up to more
criticism ultimately (and has!)... so clean up your game if you don't want the
criticism... or do what you do and grow thick skin like me! "It's a game"
everyone always says but thats plain BS... people take it crazy serious as you
well know. It's not "just a game" to most and if you really talk to people
everyone has a very developed code of ethics that they unrealistically expect
others to follow... or worse, expect others to follow but don't themselves!

Anyways, if you feel you are being true to yourself then don't worry about those
people. And if not, then reassess the way you are playing maybe?

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "busybeetoni"  wrote:
>
> Exactly.  Putting 2013 in the title and on the top line doesn't superceded
Groundspeak rules.
>
> Anyway, I'm going to my happy place now.  Why don't you turn this back into a
happy place and I'll see you all soon.
>
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Rachele DiTullio  wrote:
> >
> > Wade,
> >
> > I'm not asking whether the CO would have noticed; I'm asking if we would be
> > having this public discussion if she had been anything other than FTF. And
> > I interpret the cache name to simply mean a new cache for a new year; I
> > don't understand why anyone thinks that the CO's intent trumps the
> > Groundspeak rules. Why is that?
> >
> > -Rachele/strontium87
> >
>

I apologize for the name calling. I can honestly say that not all NTX Geocachers act this way, but those who stand and try to represent NTX the loudest give it the image I described.

My opinion is standing firm, though. There is no room for these malicious logs in the game. There is no room for COs that feel they they are the final authority on a cache, when Groundspeak makes the rules. We are not talking about anything taboo.

The issue did not start when the CO deleted the first FTF, or even the second FTF. The issue started to happen when the CO refused to acknowledge the rules they need to abide by, and people chimed in to turn it into a "We arrrrrg NTX, and we don't let people from anywhere else tell us how to cache!" scenario.

Dirk, I used to count my own caches as finds when I first started geocaching
because I didn't know any better.  That FTF that we shared, we no longer do. 
The CO of that cache told me to count it as an FTF because I was there first
where it was originally hidden and it was missing before even found.  I did
count it at first, but then took it off.  You said at an event that you didn't
care because it's just a game, but apparently you do so I'm glad I took it off. 
Although I was there first, I didn't find it.  CO permission or not, the FTF was
rightfully yours.

--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "Dirk"  wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear this happened Toni. I didn't get to read the logs before they
were deleted but backhanded and/or threatening comments are always uncalled for.
I've unfortunately had people leave snarky comments directed at me but, from the
sounds of it, nothing as extreme as yours.
>
> I'm only now familiar with the new rule but guess I would compare it to every
other complaint about "going against the COs intension/instruction/BS" ...which
I've certainly been accused of doing, lol. Nothing in the rules saying you can't
out-think a hide however COs and lurkers sure get their panties in a wad if you
do, so you should expect the same I figure.
>
> Ultimately, if you don't want to get called out then I guess you *should* take
into account what the CO's intention is for the cache/challenge and, *probably
more importantly*, what hoops your fellow cachers are jumping through that you
are side stepping. IMHO it's really you ruining the game just as much as your
critics with their nasty comments--it takes two to tango... And forcing the
cache to be archived (either by you or your supporters) is a clear continuation
of such nastiness.
>
> Everyone rule bends I figure (I do), but avoid the especially taboo stuff if
you don't want to be a target--I've noticed you do/did use to log your own hides
(more than once if you replaced the log), count events as FTFs, count your own
events as FTFs, sidestep CO intents, claim unfound hides (we share a FTF and we
certainly did not find it together), etc, etc... Hey, if that's the way you want
to play then whatever, but doing those things are going to open you up to more
criticism ultimately (and has!)... so clean up your game if you don't want the
criticism... or do what you do and grow thick skin like me! "It's a game"
everyone always says but thats plain BS... people take it crazy serious as you
well know. It's not "just a game" to most and if you really talk to people
everyone has a very developed code of ethics that they unrealistically expect
others to follow... or worse, expect others to follow but don't themselves!
>
> Anyways, if you feel you are being true to yourself then don't worry about
those people. And if not, then reassess the way you are playing maybe?
>
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "busybeetoni"  wrote:
> >
> > Exactly.  Putting 2013 in the title and on the top line doesn't superceded
Groundspeak rules.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm going to my happy place now.  Why don't you turn this back into
a happy place and I'll see you all soon.
> >
> > --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Rachele DiTullio  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wade,
> > >
> > > I'm not asking whether the CO would have noticed; I'm asking if we would
be
> > > having this public discussion if she had been anything other than FTF. And
> > > I interpret the cache name to simply mean a new cache for a new year; I
> > > don't understand why anyone thinks that the CO's intent trumps the
> > > Groundspeak rules. Why is that?
> > >
> > > -Rachele/strontium87
> > >
> >
>

 

I apologize for the name calling. I can honestly say that not all NTX Geocachers act this way, but those who stand and try to represent NTX the loudest give it the image I described.

My opinion is standing firm, though. There is no room for these malicious logs in the game. There is no room for COs that feel they they are the final authority on a cache, when Groundspeak makes the rules. We are not talking about anything taboo.

. LogThe issue did not start when the CO deleted the first FTF, or even the second FTF. The issue started to happen when the CO refused to acknowledge the rules they need to abide by, and people chimed in to turn it into a "We arrrrrg NTX, and we don't let people from anywhere else tell us how to cache!" scenario.

I figured you would misinterpret my comments, Toni. I'm trying to help you. I
don't do challenges. I'm not the one with a group of people calling for my head.
I personally don't care what you do to justify your finds--thats *your* numbers
and it does not have any effect on mine. But that also doesn't mean that I have
to be mute on the matter either. You have a history of doing it "wrong" in many
people's eyes (as you admitted yourself with your last post) but everyone likes
you so most wouldn't say so. It's not an issue unless you want to make it
one--we all like you Toni. If you can't take justified and legit criticism then
thats your problem not mine. I'm just trying to help as to what might have
spurred this backlash since I find it hard to believe this all is from a single
cache. More likely this was the tipping point and not the the fuse. But what do
i know? Apparently you don't even do that stuff anymore tho do its whatever
anyways.


In response to Matt--I was under the impression that the CO was not directly
involve in the beefing since I didn't get to see the logs. I probably don't have
enough info to comment one way or the other given such but in general I agree
with Wade. He stated it better than I could.


--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "busybeetoni"  wrote:
>
> Dirk, I used to count my own caches as finds when I first started geocaching
because I didn't know any better.  That FTF that we shared, we no longer do. 
The CO of that cache told me to count it as an FTF because I was there first
where it was originally hidden and it was missing before even found.  I did
count it at first, but then took it off.  You said at an event that you didn't
care because it's just a game, but apparently you do so I'm glad I took it off. 
Although I was there first, I didn't find it.  CO permission or not, the FTF was
rightfully yours.
>
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "Dirk"  wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to hear this happened Toni. I didn't get to read the logs before they
were deleted but backhanded and/or threatening comments are always uncalled for.
I've unfortunately had people leave snarky comments directed at me but, from the
sounds of it, nothing as extreme as yours.
> >
> > I'm only now familiar with the new rule but guess I would compare it to
every other complaint about "going against the COs intension/instruction/BS"
...which I've certainly been accused of doing, lol. Nothing in the rules saying
you can't out-think a hide however COs and lurkers sure get their panties in a
wad if you do, so you should expect the same I figure.
> >
> > Ultimately, if you don't want to get called out then I guess you *should*
take into account what the CO's intention is for the cache/challenge and,
*probably more importantly*, what hoops your fellow cachers are jumping through
that you are side stepping. IMHO it's really you ruining the game just as much
as your critics with their nasty comments--it takes two to tango... And forcing
the cache to be archived (either by you or your supporters) is a clear
continuation of such nastiness.
> >
> > Everyone rule bends I figure (I do), but avoid the especially taboo stuff if
you don't want to be a target--I've noticed you do/did use to log your own hides
(more than once if you replaced the log), count events as FTFs, count your own
events as FTFs, sidestep CO intents, claim unfound hides (we share a FTF and we
certainly did not find it together), etc, etc... Hey, if that's the way you want
to play then whatever, but doing those things are going to open you up to more
criticism ultimately (and has!)... so clean up your game if you don't want the
criticism... or do what you do and grow thick skin like me! "It's a game"
everyone always says but thats plain BS... people take it crazy serious as you
well know. It's not "just a game" to most and if you really talk to people
everyone has a very developed code of ethics that they unrealistically expect
others to follow... or worse, expect others to follow but don't themselves!
> >
> > Anyways, if you feel you are being true to yourself then don't worry about
those people. And if not, then reassess the way you are playing maybe?
> >
> > --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "busybeetoni"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly.  Putting 2013 in the title and on the top line doesn't superceded
Groundspeak rules.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm going to my happy place now.  Why don't you turn this back
into a happy place and I'll see you all soon.
> > >
> > > --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Rachele DiTullio  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wade,
> > > >
> > > > I'm not asking whether the CO would have noticed; I'm asking if we would
be
> > > > having this public discussion if she had been anything other than FTF.
And
> > > > I interpret the cache name to simply mean a new cache for a new year; I
> > > > don't understand why anyone thinks that the CO's intent trumps the
> > > > Groundspeak rules. Why is that?
> > > >
> > > > -Rachele/strontium87
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 

On a day set aside to honor a man that stood up for tolerance and equality I am saddened by all the hoopla circling around our own tfbrown and a cache in the Dallas area.

I dont' know how many of you watch the cache GC432W3 - "2013 Geocacheers To Do List" by zeppo!, but maybe you should go there and read the ugly, mean, nasty, and even threatening posts made by so many.

I am saddened by the whole affair and I can only imagine what tfbrown must be feeling.

I have tried to make some sense out of the whole thing and have tried very hard not to get involved (except one post in her defense) but I just had to vent somewhere.

After much reflection, I have come to a realization that Prime Reviewer allowed this cache to be published as a 2013 finds only cache! That must be why the cachers up there are so upset. They are not aware that down here we were not ALLOWED to do that!

I listed GC4291X - The @#$%& ABC Challenge even before zeppo! did (mine published 12/28/12, his was published 12/31/12) and was explicitly told that this was not allowed by Groundspeak.

Well, I guess this truly means that we are NOT all equal!

Please know that I mean no disrespect to anyone involved with this cache. I represent no opinions other than my own and I speak for no one except myself. Thank you for the opporutnity to speak.

A sad day indeed,

Esther/ Bigguy In Texas

Just a Friendly Event Reminder!

Milestone Streak Celebration
http://coord.info/GC3EB30

Saturday, January 26, 2013
6:00PM Taco Cabana on Mo-pac & Wm. Cannon.

Hope to See you there!!

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Bill
a.k.a ZionZR2
512-789-1469
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This is my last post in this thread for the sake of ending this debacle. Sorry, I've got a lot going on in my life right now so I'm limited on time in which I can respond.

CO started off just stating that the requirements had not been met but then went back and chimed in their own two cents about two times with everyone else. It was not as belittling as what others had been saying, but it was negative and hurtful as well.

The last post anyone made before I posted a need archive was about how there were 52ish people watching the cache and that Toni should really be careful about how she 'is antagonizing NTX and trying to force them to cache her way."

And the only opinion I will offer to this now... good. The best way to move past this in the first way is to do the fair thing, prevent further debate over it, align to what Groundspeak says, and if that means archive the cache, do so.

I read that as "Milestone STEAK celebration". What a difference an R makes!

Denise Vajdak
AdvoCare Independent Distributor
http://tx.ag/advocare

Alas will be doing mic checks at the Palace about then.  But major congrats and
big woo woos for the milestone!!

BarbJernigan-clearly skewed priorities-Tygress

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bill Ellis <zionzr2@...>
To: Central Texas Geocachers <CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Event Notice: GC3EB30 Milestone Streak
Celebration
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:35:30 -0600

Just a Friendly Event Reminder!

Milestone Streak Celebration
http://coord.info/GC3EB30

Saturday, January 26, 2013
6:00PM Taco Cabana on Mo-pac & Wm. Cannon.

Hope to See you there!!

--
><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
Bill
a.k.a ZionZR2
512-789-1469
<>< <>< <>< <>< <><


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--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Denise Vajdak  wrote:
>
> I read that as "Milestone STEAK celebration". What a difference an R makes!
>
> Denise Vajdak
> AdvoCare Independent Distributor
> http://tx.ag/advocare
> On Jan 22, 2013 7:35 PM, "Bill Ellis"  wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Just a Friendly Event Reminder!
> >
> > Milestone Streak Celebration
> > http://coord.info/GC3EB30
> >
> > Saturday, January 26, 2013
> > 6:00PM Taco Cabana on Mo-pac & Wm. Cannon.
> >
> > Hope to See you there!!
> >
> > --
> > ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
> > Bill
> > a.k.a ZionZR2
> > 512-789-1469
> > <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
> >
> >
>