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543 Diane Vera
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Nov 11, 2003
6:01 pm
Hello. This is my first post here. Matthew, thanks for the welcome. I'm interested in learning more about the official Catholic definition of "heresy." In...
544 Diane Vera
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Nov 11, 2003
6:30 pm
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have all been referred to as "Abrahamic religions." The category "Abrahamic religions" could also encompass other, smaller...
545 Tim Johnson
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Nov 11, 2003
7:17 pm
Diane, Welcome to the group. I don't know of any resources offhand about the definitions of heresy and apostasy other than the Catechism and the Catholic...
546 Tim Johnson
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Nov 11, 2003
7:30 pm
I don't know if Abrahamic religion appears in the writing of the early Church Fathers, but I believe they do mention (as well as Scripture) phrases like "our...
547 Diane Vera
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Nov 11, 2003
8:53 pm
... We seem to have a misunderstanding here. I didn't say that Satanists "want to say they haven't totally repudiated Christianity." It is Neo-Pagans who...
548 Diane Vera
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Nov 11, 2003
8:55 pm
... We have another misunderstanding here. Neo-Pagans are not calling THEMSELVES "Abrahamic." Nor are Satanists calling THEMSELVES "Abrahamic." Neither...
549 Tim Johnson
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Nov 11, 2003
9:06 pm
Diane, I was using the generic "you" in that... Really doesn't matter whether Diane, the group itself, or anyone calls them Christian heretics or whatever....
550 Tim Johnson
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Nov 11, 2003
9:32 pm
OK. Well, I see what you mean now. But still, the definition of what would be "Abrahamic" still works. Neo-pagans calling Satanists "Abrahamic" are the ones...
551 amcachico Offline Send Email Nov 12, 2003
12:57 pm
From my understanding, the term "Abrahamic" religion is a relatively modern term (as in I don't think it has existed for more than a hundred years, if that) to...
552 amcachico Offline Send Email Nov 12, 2003
1:15 pm
Before anyone says, "Why the heck is Anne using the Bible to explain Islam?", here are some references: The story of Hagar & Ishmael according to a summary of...
553 amcachico Offline Send Email Nov 12, 2003
1:34 pm
<clipped> Tim said ... I would agree with Tim. A heretic would still claim to be Christian. An apostate would completely disassociate. They're pretty cut n'...
554 amcachico Offline Send Email Nov 12, 2003
2:07 pm
The confusion about the Abrahmic/Christian status of so-called Satanists comes conflicting "frameworks" of thinking. If the definition of a Christian is "one...
555 Fr. Jeff Gatlin
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Nov 12, 2003
3:09 pm
Diane, Two sources that are very reputable are: The New Dictionary Of Theology and the Anchor Bible Dictionary. Both are very good Catholic resources and are...
556 Nick
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Nov 13, 2003
6:13 am
group, i believe i posed this question earlier, but b/c of the recent discussion concerning definitions and terminology, i find the need to state the question...
557 amcachico Offline Send Email Nov 13, 2003
1:56 pm
You have very thoughtful questions.... You know what book I love? *Crossing the Threshold of Hope* by John Paul II. It was an absolutely pivotal book in my...
558 Matthew Hardesty
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Nov 13, 2003
6:24 pm
Hello all, On two different occassions this week the topic of the book, The DaVinci Code, has come up. Fr. Jeff, I'm sure you can elaborate on the dangers ...
559 Diane Vera
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Nov 13, 2003
6:43 pm
... But would you at least agree that a religion which DOESN'T claim to be Abrahamic ISN'T Abrahamic? In other words, a religion couldn't be Abrahamic without...
560 Diane Vera
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Nov 13, 2003
6:53 pm
... Thanks very much for the information. If you can conveniently cite some specific modern theologians and their definitions of "Abrahamic," I would...
561 Diane Vera
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Nov 13, 2003
8:03 pm
... Since you asked: I'm a theistic Satanist. To me it's annoying to be called a "Christian heretic" by Neo-Pagans. And it seems to me to be incorrect. So,...
562 amcachico Offline Send Email Nov 13, 2003
8:04 pm
... Okay - so there is no "convenient" way to cite those theologians. "Abrahamic" is a convenient term created to describe a an actual phenomenon (versus a...
563 Diane Vera
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Nov 13, 2003
8:05 pm
"amcachico" <aachico@s...> wrote, on Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:07 am ... Exactly. You got it. Wow! I wasn't expecting to encounter, here, someone with such a...
564 Diane Vera
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Nov 13, 2003
8:19 pm
... Thanks for the information. You're apparently familiar enough with the history of this interfaith dialogue to know that it's the source of the term...
565 Matthew Hardesty
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Nov 13, 2003
9:02 pm
Actually, it's pretty funny, I was sitting in mass yesterday and Father during announcements at the end told us about a conference that afternoon about "The...
566 Nick
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Nov 13, 2003
9:24 pm
Diane, If you don't mind me inquiring, what is "theistic Satanism"? Can you describe your beliefs for the group? I've never heard of the phrase before, and i...
567 Nick
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Nov 13, 2003
9:26 pm
matt, i am intrigued by the implications of the views expressed by this book as well. however, i want to give it more thought before i respond. i'll get back...
568 Diane Vera
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Nov 13, 2003
10:10 pm
... [...] ... Before I answer you, I would appreciate some guidelines from the moderator of this forum on how to keep this discussion within the purposes of...
569 Tim Johnson
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Nov 13, 2003
10:21 pm
Diane, Generally, you are right that not claiming would destroy any link as long as the lack of a claim were made with full knowledge. Though, I suppose that...
570 Tim Johnson
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Nov 13, 2003
10:24 pm
Diane, I don't blame you for being mad at being labeled incorrectly by a group that doesn't get it. I think you may be best served by keeping the defense...
571 Diane Vera
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Nov 13, 2003
10:30 pm
I just now did a web search and found the following articles which might be of interest to some people here. However, I didn't find anything about the ORIGIN...
572 Tim Johnson
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Nov 13, 2003
10:48 pm
Matt, I don't think you are overreacting at all. And I believe the Church HAS a position on this. Not the DaVinci Code specifically, but the idea that Jesus...
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