T'was the hunter's day, the stealthy work,
e're fires lit and e're the village woke.
In small dim light from sparkled frost twilight
In mornings wee early hours, to bring the hunted home.
T'was the day of preparation, of The Ruler, The Cook,
no notes needed or sought from any cooking book.
for the steps that are taken in kitchens gone mad,
for the spices and the scents, dreams of all to be had.
t'was the day fo the feast, all the village will gather,
with a smile and a song, with a dance and with laughter.
Tis the life of us all and the happyness true.
When we gather in play for what ever we do..

Happy Thanks Giving to all, and to all a good bite!

Mithgiladan


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>Many thanks to Lord Mithgiladan for his Vivats to our new >comers
event!  I was wondering would you like to write my >wrap up for
the Dec Commons meeting?

hehehehe,
Off to the mall for more wrapping paper :D


Mithgiladan

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Dear Gentles,

Here is to you and yours that you have a Happy, Healthy Holiday.  Spend time
with your loved ones and the ones you don't get to see often enough.

Remember Family can be trying at times, but during the holiday season its the
time to set aside the trying times and remember the good times!  They are
gone all to soon!  Be Thankful for the time you do get to spend together and
reach out to someone you know that may not have family and welcome them into
yours.

From my family to yours...Happy Thanksgiving!

Lady B'Elanna de Rouge and Lord Alasdair MacLeod
Eileen and James Chorney

Many thanks to Lord Mithgiladan for his Vivats to our new comers event!  I
was wondering would you like to write my wrap up for the Dec Commons meeting?
  Only kidding....a good time was had by all.  My only regret was I did have
to leave earlier then expected because of mundane life.

My thanks to all who came and all who helped.  We will be doing it again in
the new year.  Hopefully on a larger scale.

In service to the Barony,

Lady B'Elanna de Rouge
Chatelaine

What can be done in the few hours of a simple new comer's meeting?

Well, if it is a newcomer meeting at the home of Lady Illana and her Lord
Husband then the answer is quite a bit!
Once in the house you first see a simple welcoming spread of period snacks
that draws you in with welcome.  Once inside you will see a display of
feast gear laid out on the coffee table that draws you further into the
living room.  And yet there is more as you look at the display there.  You
catch out of the corner of your eye a suit of armor and helm on an armor
tree.  This draws the newer visitor into the dining room laid out with a
treasure of items representing many of the arts and sciences we so love in
the SCA and assembled by the Barony and Canton for display.
And as the Gentles assemble, there are the welcoming smiles of many of
members from near and far.
Before the meetin gets started there is plaenty of time to greet one and
all, introduce people and enjoy the displayed works.
And then it is time to get going as Lady B'Elanna brings things smoothly
together for introductions.
Then the newer of us learned not just the names of people but their jobs
and what period and SCA responsabilities.  And while that was going on, the
more experienced of us faded to the other areas of the house to ask more
advanced questions or rejoin with friends not seen in a long while.
And then we all joined together once more with the classes wound into
demonstrations.  first there was the pleasing demonstration of brewing
and(as I observed) the more pleasing sampling of many of the displayed
works of the brewer.  And from drink to food came the demonstrations of
cooking medievial foods common to many SCA feasts.  Finally, the
demonstrations are done and the classes wind into a intimate feast-like
setting where we can all enjoy the company as well as the pot luck and
special made items.  And relaxed, our small party settled to better combine
and get to know each other.  Sharing tales of the Society and answering the
questions that continued to slowly bubble to the surface.
And then he evening turned to the arts once more as we turned to song and
bardic performance.  With tales and song, graced with the presence of
honored guests from Revelwood and Dragonclan.
It is true that the event was slated for 2pm and to 5pm but there was not
one person who left without being sorry for the time and the need.

Vivat Whispering Pines, Vivat Illana and B'Elanna!  Lets do it again :D


Yours in Service,

Lord Mithgiladan the Herald
occasionally official Herald and wanderer
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Brianna Healfseaxe wrote:

>That said, I hope that we can put this issue behind us. >Mithgilidan
has explained it was an accident in the first >place. Okay, accidents
happen.
>
>If I have offended anyone, I apologize. That was not my >intent.
>
>Brianna Healfseaxe

MyLady,

We are, one of us, innocent in that we are all human.  Mistakes
are made and we must all be willing to reach out and accept that
that happens.  I am glad of your words here and once again appoligize
to you specifically and all on this list in general for what
was all started my careless mistake.
I have been in contact privatly with Their Excellencies Carillian
and we have traded e-mails on the subject.  With luck what is
will be better than what was and we will all be able to pull
together to make that a certainty.

In Service,

Mithgiladan the Herald
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Brianna Healfseaxe wrote:

>That said, I hope that we can put this issue behind us. >Mithgilidan
has explained it was an accident in the first >place. Okay, accidents
happen.
>
>If I have offended anyone, I apologize. That was not my >intent.
>
>Brianna Healfseaxe

MyLady,

We are, one of us, innocent in that we are all human.  Mistakes
are made and we must all be willing to reach out and accept that
that happens.  I am glad of your words here and once again appoligize
to you specifically and all on this list in general for what
was all started my careless mistake.
I have been in contact privatly with Their Excellencies Carillian
and we have traded e-mails on the subject.  With luck what is
will be better than what was and we will all be able to pull
together to make that a certainty.

In Service,

Mithgiladan the Herald
mithgiladan@...

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In regards to my recent post, responding to Mithgilidan's intro to the list:

I wish to apologize for overreacting. I will say publicly what I have also
said to him privately as excepted from a current private discussion :

>>As for the "?" before the title Lord, would you dispute that you were
>>present when Gavin and Sedalia awarded that title?  Or would you state
>>that
>>I no longer deserve that title?
>>In either case I worry little for your opinions.  My record in Settmour
>>and
>>my factual record in Carillian will stand me in good stead as well as those
>>permenant actions taken in the northshiled region of the Mid-Realm in a
>>place I had hoped would keep the name,"Doronan Fordwaith" but is now know
>>as the Shire of Midewinde.  I know it has undergone at least one major
>>shake up as it had another name in between mine and the current one.
>
>Actually, the ? was because the post, IMHO was not worthy of the title. I
still consider >what you posted slanderous and uncalled for, not something a
Lord would do. >Especially one who had done the things you have. I still
respect the things you'd >accomplished in the past just not what you did and
are apparently still doing.
>
>>As for your use of "Mith-gilligan"
>>You well know that it was a "nickname" not considered by me to be
>>appropriate.  Should you claim not to recognize this I can only say that
>>such a claim would be a Lie.  Supporting this is the statement by your
>>own
>>hand that you hold grudges against me.  As such, you would never use a
>>friendly appletaion and are left with my accurate SCA name, My mundain
>>name
>>or a derogatory.  You also MUST have considered the the derivations of
>>any
>>name used.
>>So, to your denial of name calling I call you: Liar.
>
>I was trying to get your attention and yes I was Pissed, your post brought
up some bad >memories. Excuse me for being human. I know you dislike being
called Mith-gilligan. If >you read what I posted carefully you will see I
admit to the Lord? and "Mith-gilligan," >but that was the extent of the 'name
callling.'

I acknowledge what I said on the list was uncalled for, but I was upset. I
should know better to reply to email when I first read it. I apologize for
any problems that my anger has caused.

I, however do not apologize for this statement:

>There are a lot of people from the Pog & Tamar days still active and loyal
to this >barony and we don't really want you back if that's what you are
going to do.

And I don't only mean those so-called old-timers. To explain: What I mean is
that if ANYONE, not just Mithgilidan, wishes to join or rejoin this Barony to
spread rumors, badmouth or attack ANYONE'S character, he/she would not be
welcome. I didn't mean to use the royal 'we' I made an assumption that this
is an attitude shared by all if not most. I'm sorry I forgot that old saying
about "assume," again I agologize.

That said, I hope that we can put this issue behind us. Mithgilidan has
explained it was an accident in the first place. Okay, accidents happen.

If I have offended anyone, I apologize. That was not my intent.

Brianna Healfseaxe

I hope most of you know who I am, for those that don't, I'm Dona Mercedes
de Califia, Carillion's Fencing Champion, and until just recently
Baronial Fencing Marshal.  I have also been in the SCA for over 20 years.
  I've lived in both Caid and the East, and have known Mithgiladan for
many years, and Amsha for a few months.  That said, I want to share a few
things I have learned over the past two decades of playing our collective
game.

#1.  It doesn't matter who is King, Prince, Baron, Seneschal, (fill in
your favorite whipping boy here).  There is nothing they can do to ruin
your life.  They can't fire you, they can't make you homeless, they can't
make you unhappy unless you let them.  If you find yourself sitting in
court horrified by what will become of your life if "that person" becomes
"whatever" then you need to get out more.  Been there, done that, now I
look back truly chagrined.

#2.  If there is long standing bitterness, it usually comes down to a
personality clash, a single incident, or a total misunderstanding.  My
mother, who is the wisest woman I know, taught me "never ascribe to
maliciousness what can easily be explained by ignorance, stupidity, or
misunderstanding".

#3.  They can't take away your birthday.

#4.  Always check where your e-mail is going.

#5.  Never write *anything* privately that you don't want read publicly.
I've seen it happen far too often, even to myself.

#6.  Nap whenever possible.

#7.  Everything changes or dies.  That's a law of nature, even if we
don't like the change.

I've been thru all this before, it seems to go in cycles, especially when
the founding Baron/ess steps down.  Get on with life.

Mercedes
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My Lords and Ladies,

It was stated earlier, in the onelist, that Baron Mitchell had declared that
there was a valid polling.  A clarification needs to be made.

Bart talked to Her Majesty on Saturday along with Lady Katerine la Juste.  They
had not received an official work from the Kingdom Seneschal, Emmerson,
regarding
the polling.  Therefore they had no news for us.  I talked to Emmerson on Sunday
afternoon and he told me that he was reviewing the polling prior to contacting
Their Majesties, but that there was no official news yet about the polling. 
That
is the status as of 5:46 pm this evening.  When it changes, Bart, Lady Katerine
la Juste, and I will be notified.  Then we will notify Nicetas/Katherine &
Alister/B'Elanna.  Then we will notify the rest of the Barony.

I am sure that Baron Mitchell did not mean to cause any confusion.  His job,
along with two other gentle people chosen by the Kingdom Seneschal, was to tally
the ballots and then pass them along to the Kingdom Seneschal.  His job is not
to
interpret the results or make any official declarations about the polling; it is
just to count.  The only people who can make official announcements of this type
are the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties.

However, I will admit that the length of time it is taking gives me hope too!

We will be gone for the Thanksgiving Holidays so, if I do not get a chance to
"talk" to you all before then, let me wish you all a very Happy Holidays, and if
you are traveling, a safe trip.  Now, I have to get back to wrapping Christmas
presents (arrugh!!!!) for all of the people who we are going to exchange gifts
with over Thanksgiving, before Bart breaks out the Duct Tape!

Happy Holidays.

I received this message from Baron Pog for public dissemination.  I hope this
puts an end to this matter.
Amsha

My Lady,

Thank you for sharing that piece of news with me.

I hadn't realized that I was so powerful!  Imagine,  Tamar and I retired as
Baron and Baroness at Bellringers, in late January 1994.  I and my family
left for Meridies in April - about the same time that the first Baronial
Polling was underway - the one to determine whether or not Carillion should
remain a barony, drop to shire, or apply for principality.

The actual election which selected you and Bart happened some time later -
well after Daria, Robbie, and I had settled in to Meridies.  We made a
point of not  getting involved  just so that such allegations could not be
made.

I am sorry that Mithgilidun still harbors such hatred.  I truly do not
understand; but I do feel sorry for him.

Pagan Mahon, AoA, GoA, CSC, MSP
Founding Baron, Carillion (Retired)

I generally don't jump in, but I feel too strongly not to say something.

I must say that on the twlight of the polling for the new Baron and Baroness
I am mightly disappointed in the rumour mill.  The Populace must know that
this has not and did not help the polling.  The polling is over and it is
getting us nowhere.

I am also sadden by the mud slinging at the current Baron and Baroness.  They
are not "losing their hats" they have gracefully chosen to step down, on
their own terms.  I was there when they announced their stepping down.  I
applaud them for their efforts and respect them for their standing.  This is
not an easy job and there will always be someone who does not agree with what
is said or done.

We all came into the game to play and have a good time.  If your not having a
good time, it is time to take a vacation from the game.

My mother always said if you've nothing nice to say, say nothing.  I think
she really ment it.

In service to the Barony,

Lady B'Elanna de Rouge
Chatelaine Barony of Carillion

I normally do not bother to respond to personal attacks because those who
believe
them obviously do not know or care about me, and those who know better than
someone's bitter words, consider the source and shrug it off.  However, when
blatant lies are spread in a public forum, a response must be made.

Baron Pog did not "rig" an election.  There were four couples.  Baron Pog was
quite careful to not let anyone have any indication of whom he might or might
not
have wished to become Baron and Baroness.  As a matter of strict fact, Baron Pog
was not even here; he had already moved with his wife down south.  The polling
was done, was counted, and then re-counted, and the results were published.  I
remember that polling as being a very pleasant time; all four couples took care
to keep in contact with each other and made it very clear that they would
support
each other.  I was, and still am proud to have been part of that group.

I personally do not care a fig about the opinion that this person has of either
myself or my husband.  One's opinion belongs to oneself and no other; I too,
have
rather strong opinions.  I have to agree with Brianna, though.  If the best that
this person can do is spread scurrilous tales, then perhaps he had best stay
independent.   And Katherine, I did not see one name that Brianna called this
person; she addressed the actions "badmouthing Baron Pog" that this person
performed.  I have to agree with her message completely.

Something that I think that you all should think about, however, is this.  There
*will be* a new Baron and Baroness stepping up in Carillion.  No matter which
couple it is, they will undoubtedly do things differently than either Bart or I,
or Pog and Tamar.  You will certainly have your likes and dislikes about what
they do.  Are you going to go to them and address these issues in person, or are
you going to lurk around in the background taking potshots?  Are you going to be
constructive or destructive?  No matter what your opinion is of the past, are
you
going to commit yourselves to helping create a better game tomorrow?  If not,
perhaps this is not the game that you should be playing.

Last, on a personal note, if you, Lord Mithgiladan, have anything to say to me,
you know my email address and phone number.  Perhaps you would do me the
courtesy
of contacting me directly instead of slandering me behind my back.

Countess Amsha al Sirhan
Baroness Carillion
Mistress of the Pelican


Lord Mithgiladan wrote:

No problem MiLord :)
I only hope I can add rather than detract :)  Given the environment when My
Lady-Wife and I left Carillian years ago to play independantly, it could
not be mush worse now that bart and Amsha are leaving.  I was ther when Pug
rigged the election to give them the hats they are loosing now.
But the darkness may be ready to lift and we will see what we can do.
Hell, the worst I can do is offer my help :)



> From: Lord Mithgiladan <Mithgiladan@...>
>
> MiLadys and Lords..
> My comments, posted in e-mail, were ment to be a private e-mail between me
> and another.  While I do not deny or turn back on my words, they were not
> ment for public release and that is unfortunate.
> I do apologize for the public release of them in this forum.
> As for the words themselves, While they should not have been made public I
> do stand by them 100%.
> I am sorry for those who only know Bart and Amsha's rule...
> I know a time when we had trong baronys supported by a stronger cental
> government under Pug.  I know that Pug left and I know that the strong
> central government went away and a number of the cantons followed.  I was a
> member of carillian(even when I lived in far off lands) in much better times.
>
> so for what should not have been public, I am sorry.  As I said in my sign
> off though, I can but offer to help, As Herald, As SCAdian, and as someone
> willing.
>
> Lord Mithgiladan the Herald
> occasionally official Herald and wanderer
> ------------------------------------------
> No one ever gets out of life alive, lets get it done and have fun!!
>
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Paul & Aimee Kay wrote:
> On a lesser note, I have been hearing all sorts of rumors, guesswork, and
> malicious sounding statements concerning the election and polling.  I would
ask
> you all to stop right now.  It does the Barony no good nor does it do any good
> for the Candidates reputations to spread this kind of talk around.  If you
hear
> it, don't repeat it.  If you are starting it, know that you are acting in a
> childish fashion and should be sent to your room.  If you have any questions,
> kindly call me.  You all have my phone number by now, but in case
> (732-370-4039).  For those very few people who have indeed called and asked
> about the nonsense being spread about, I thank you very much and honor your
> integrity.


The worse way to try and stop a rumor is to ask people not to talk about it.
For then they still continue to talk about it, because it is human nature.
However, at that point they become more guarded at what they say and to who.
So people will hear bits and pieces.  And even if they don't spread that
information further, it will combine in there mind into a fantasy that fits
what they have heard, but probably has nothing to do with reality.

The best thing is just to remember everyone is doing the best they can
with what information, abilities, and time they have to work with, in
whatever they do.  Whether it be polling baronial candidates, preparing
a feast, running an event, whatever.  And often when there actions and
discussions don't seem to make sense, or seem malicious, it is really
just the fantasy formed in the mind of the observer to fit the limited
information available.  Granted, sometimes people really are just malicious
and mean.  But it is a mistake to assume so without all the facts.

In the end, it doesn't matter what anybody says about an election/polling
that happened five years ago.  Nothing they say, true, or, false will
change those events.   Really the only one that matters is this one, and
that is only so we can avoid any mistakes, or make any improvements needed
for future polling.  However, for that, it would probably be better to
schedule some sort of meeting in a timely matter to discuss things openly
rather than giving the grapevine a chance to distort things to badly.

However, that is not to say that peoples comments about past polling and
such should just be dismissed.  Even the ones that don't serve any useful
planning purpose are still effecting their emotions.  The only way this
barony will be able to get its act together, is if we can all work together.
The only way to do that is to offload the misgivings and grudges from the
past.  Unfortunately, humans can't just shrug things off, and not have
them still effect their current perceptions.  The only way to get rid of
them is to have some sort of feeling of closure.  Fortunately, sometimes,
all that is required for a feeling of closure is having someone else
acknowledge those feelings.

			 Stefan Geneva

There is a lot of history in this Barony.  There are many stories of
problems, action, and attitudes between members going back to the
first seneschal of the Shire of Carillion.  As long as individuals
allow their actions beliefs and attitudes to be shaped by things that
should be in the grave the Barony will stay just that ... individuals.
History should force all of us to proceed with caution, but not
prevent us from proceeding and having fun.

If anyone wants to post a personnal message to an individual for any
reason, please look at the 'From' heading in their e-mail.  Use that
address for personal attacks and emotional laundry.

Nicetas speaking for himself.

At 11:01 AM 11/21/99 EST, you wrote:
>From: BriannaHs@...
>
>
>In a message dated 11/21/99 6:39:51 AM, Carillion@onelist.com writes:
>
>
>Oh Mith-Gilligan
>
>Don't think that it is ok to badmouth and slander Pog now anymore than it
was
>then. If you do, you can continue to 'play independantly'! I was there and
it
>did NOT happen the way you are oh so subtley alluding to. There are a lot of
>people from the Pog & Tamar days still active and loyal to this barony and
we
>don't really want you back if that's what you are going to do.
>
>Brianna
>

My Lady Brianna,
I don't think that resorting to name calling is really appropriate
in this forum. And just because you have a difference of opinion,
your use of the royal "we" (as interpreted by me), again, I believe
was inappropriate. There are many people who would like to see him
again, as well as other "non-popular" members. I have my own personal
problems with you and others, but I do not speak to you uncivilly, and
I always speak to you with the courtesy due to another.

Lady Katherine
acting alone

In a message dated 11/21/99 6:39:51 AM, Carillion@onelist.com writes:

>No problem MiLord :)
>
>I only hope I can add rather than detract :)  Given the environment when
>My
>
>Lady-Wife and I left Carillian years ago to play independantly, it could
>
>not be mush worse now that bart and Amsha are leaving.  I was ther when
>Pug
>
>rigged the election to give them the hats they are loosing now.
>
>But the darkness may be ready to lift and we will see what we can do.
>
>Hell, the worst I can do is offer my help :)
>
>
>
>Mithy

Oh Mith-Gilligan

Don't think that it is ok to badmouth and slander Pog now anymore than it was
then. If you do, you can continue to 'play independantly'! I was there and it
did NOT happen the way you are oh so subtley alluding to. There are a lot of
people from the Pog & Tamar days still active and loyal to this barony and we
don't really want you back if that's what you are going to do.

Brianna

MiLadys and Lords..
My comments, posted in e-mail, were ment to be a private e-mail between me
and another.  While I do not deny or turn back on my words, they were not
ment for public release and that is unfortunate.
I do apologize for the public release of them in this forum.
As for the words themselves, While they should not have been made public I
do stand by them 100%.
I am sorry for those who only know Bart and Amsha's rule...
I know a time when we had trong baronys supported by a stronger cental
government under Pug.  I know that Pug left and I know that the strong
central government went away and a number of the cantons followed.  I was a
member of carillian(even when I lived in far off lands) in much better times.

so for what should not have been public, I am sorry.  As I said in my sign
off though, I can but offer to help, As Herald, As SCAdian, and as someone
willing.



Lord Mithgiladan the Herald
occasionally official Herald and wanderer
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No one ever gets out of life alive, lets get it done and have fun!!

Elizabeth,

I am truly sorry you were not made to feel welcome.  My name is Lady B'Elanna
de Rouge, I am the Chatelaine for the Barony (new comer information officer).
  Its my job to make sure new people are made to feel welcome and introduced
to people with similar interests, so they don't feel left out.  Please feel
free to seek me out at any event.  I would be happy to make you feel welcome.


Unfortunately most events, unless a full weekend event are on Saturdays.  If
you recieve this before 12:30pm on Sunday 11-21-99, please feel free to call
me at 609-971-0889 (mka Eileen Chorney) there is a new comers event today in
Browns Mills at Lady Illana's home and all are welcome and I would be happy
to give you directions.

If you don't get this before I leave for the event please feel free to call
Lady Illana and ask for directions, her number is 609-893-7794 (mka Norma
Coles).

We will also be doing another of these event after the begining of the year
in the area of Neptune.  I will keep your address and keep you informed.  In
any event please feel free to contact me via email or phone for any
information.

In Service to the Barony

Lady Bel

Once again, Nicetas and I are in the dark as to what rumors
could be spreading regarding the polling, as we have not heard
any.

We are quite content to allow the Crown take its time to choose
who will be the best for our Fair Barony.

However, (there's always a "however") I do not feel that any gentle
needs to be treated curtly, thus allowing the veil of secrecy and
intrigue to descend where there is no need. Rumors thrive where there
is no information. I feel, though, at least the candidates should be
kept appraised as to the status, as many of the populous turn to
them. We should be able to tell them. Our phone, and no doubt
Lady B'Elanna's, has been ringing off the hook as well. I was stopped
many times at the 100 Minutes War asking whether the results were in,
or, if not, what the status was. The best information that I received
was from the courtesy that Baron Mitchell gave. The polling was
good, and that Crown now has it. That information was more than we
had before. For that, we thank him.

In Service to the Kingdom and Barony,
Lady Katherine

My Lords & Ladies,

I just wanted to let you all know that there are no official election results
yet.  We have been receiving many calls and inquiries so let me reassure you
that there is nothing "strange" going on; yesterday was the 1st day that we
could optimistically get results.  There were none.  The people who tally the
votes, who need to receive the official tally, and then make the official
decision and notify the local officers have real lives too; they have to fit in
our business along with the business of the rest of the Kingdom and their own
lives.  Be assured, as soon as we receive the results, we will let everyone
know ASAP through the computer and calling the canton Seneschals.  We are
nagging them as much as possible without being overly rude. <g>

On a lesser note, I have been hearing all sorts of rumors, guesswork, and
malicious sounding statements concerning the election and polling.  I would ask
you all to stop right now.  It does the Barony no good nor does it do any good
for the Candidates reputations to spread this kind of talk around.  If you hear
it, don't repeat it.  If you are starting it, know that you are acting in a
childish fashion and should be sent to your room.  If you have any questions,
kindly call me.  You all have my phone number by now, but in case
(732-370-4039).  For those very few people who have indeed called and asked
about the nonsense being spread about, I thank you very much and honor your
integrity.

Breathless awaiting the results as well, I remain,

Amsha

Lord Mithgiladan wrote:
>
> From: Lord Mithgiladan <Mithgiladan@...>
> No problem MiLord :)
> I only hope I can add rather than detract :)  Given the environment when My
> Lady-Wife and I left Carillian years ago to play independantly, it could
> not be mush worse now that bart and Amsha are leaving.  I was ther when Pug
> rigged the election to give them the hats they are loosing now.
> But the darkness may be ready to lift and we will see what we can do.
> Hell, the worst I can do is offer my help :)
>
> Mithy
>
> Lord Mithgiladan the Herald
> occasionally official Herald and wanderer


I must solute your ability to quickly stir up dark feelings.  I for one
am very sad to see Bart and Amsha stepping down.  And while I can't speak
for the integrity of an election that occurred before I was a member of the
barony, from what I've gathered what you are referring to as "rigging" was
not rigging at all, but just part of the standard polling processes.  The
discussion of who should be Baron and Baroness is always one done by the
Crown.  The polling is simply a way to tell the crown who we as the Barony
would prefer.  Sometimes we are too involved with the local politics of
the moment, to see the bigger picture.  In a Medieval society, it is the
job of the crown to way in all the factors and come up with the final
decision.

			 Stefan Geneva

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No problem MiLord :)
I only hope I can add rather than detract :)  Given the environment when My
Lady-Wife and I left Carillian years ago to play independantly, it could
not be mush worse now that bart and Amsha are leaving.  I was ther when Pug
rigged the election to give them the hats they are loosing now.
But the darkness may be ready to lift and we will see what we can do.
Hell, the worst I can do is offer my help :)

Mithy






Lord Mithgiladan the Herald
occasionally official Herald and wanderer
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No one ever gets out of life alive, lets get it done and have fun!!

Good evening good people of Carillion!
   I am a relatively new member of SCA, having joined just about a year ago
(with my husband)  We have only managed to go to one event, and
unfortunately we were disappointed.  Small groups of people seemed to stay
together and we were not made welcome at all, even by members we had made
aquaintance with previously.   I know there is more to this organization and
I guess my question to you is, well, what should we expect from these
gatherings? It just seems like so much fun and I know I shouldn't judge by
one event..  Also, are there more Sunday events?  We both work on Saturdays.
Respectfully,
Elizabeth the as yet un named

I like the idea of letting the senenshal know if you have business before the
meeting and then only ask for that information to leave time to discuss other
items.  I think a role call of the officers would be better then asking them
for their report.  This way it will only take a few minutes and would let any
new person know who is what officer.

Once we see how the first new comers event goes we will be having more.  I am
hoping to hold them in the different areas of the Barony.  I am planning to
put out a general request that if someone in the northern/central end of the
Barony could open their home to the next one or possibly they might know of a
free site in their area we could use to have people come.

The new comers event is this Sunday Nov.21 at Lady Illana's home in
Brownsmills.  All are welcome.  Please call Lady Illana and RSVP.  All is
asked is that you bring a small pot luck snack.  If you have a specialty
you'd like to speak on just let her know.  If your specialty is already taken
please remember we will be doing more of these and we will need your help.

Thanks,

Lady B'Elanna

Shortness of time has always been a problem at Commons...by the time everyone
gives their reports, there is little time to discuss new or more important
issues.

What if instead of asking for all the reports, we skip them entirely...the
majority of us have nothing new to report anyway. Our practices and meetings
etc... are listed in the Clochette and on the Web Page. The Chatelaine job
includes informing the new people of these things anyway. So most of this is
redundant.

Anyone that has business with the Barony could check in or notify the
Seneschal in advance or before the meeting. Similar to our officer's meetings
or before a Court where you notify the Herald if you have to bring business
unto the Crowns. The Seneschal could then schedule the business needed to be
discussed.

There could be a separate meeting/activity/workshop for the newbies, perhaps
every other month to meet us or learn more about us, something less formal
and more friendly. Where they could get tips on garb and such. They do this
in Caid every other month and my friends tell me it's rather sucessful. They
even show a movie!

     Lady Blackheart

I agree with Brianna, when I first went to Commons I felt the same way.  It
was one of the reasons I wanted the job of Chatelaine.  I make sure I greet
anyone I haven't seen a Commons before and get them some information.  Its
also the reason we are having a new comers event at Illana's house on the
21st.

I would certainly come to a staple and stamp meeting, you name the time and
place.

B'Elanna

Just to throw another thought into the fire…

I recently met someone who HAD been interested in the SCA and had gone to a
commons @ the library. Unfortunetly, she was completely turned off by a couple
of issues:
1. It was a 'business' meeting and didn't really tell her anything about the SCA
or the Barony
2. She felt unwelcome, no one made a point of greeting her and explaining what
was going on, etc.

I think that we need a meeting at least quarterly preferably monthly, that is
more of a stich and b*tch, so to speak, than a 'business' meeting. This meeting
could deal with the business of new event proposals, event wrap ups, new ideas
for what the Barony should be getting involved with, as well as gossip and maybe
even a class or two, but would not have FORMAL officer reports. I say Formal
because we could have written reports available or just QUICK summations as
opposed to the detailed reports that would occur at the business meeting at the
library. I think that this type of meeting would be perfect for new members to
get involved at as well as helping to keep people involved in the decision
making of the Barony without boring them to death at a commons meeting.

I know that there have been people in the past that wanted to be involved in the
decision making of the Barony but just got tired of the dry, offical meetings
and stopped going. A less formal meeting would help keep their interest.

Another thought, IF I am confirmed as Chronicler I would be proposing a monthly
"Stamp & Staple" party/meeting anyway (location to be determined) perhaps this
could be combined with an official/unofficial business meeting.

Brianna

What about a Commons Meeting once a quarter that is used to discuss only new
business, concerns, questions and proposals, such as the Keeps new zip codes.

Or possibly having a meeting once a quarter on a different night then Commons
if the Library would give us another night?

Lady B'Elanna

Welcome to all who join!  This is the new and improved
mailing list for Carillion.  The community page includes a
calendar and a file section and a flexible, simple
interface.  I think you will find this a positive change,
and I hope it will serve you well!

In service,
Rhys ab Ieuan