Anything that kills like the Interstate, Autobahn or British Royal Highway needs
a speed that it won't kill at or transfer from those who's speed is safe for the
mind. What ever happen to "Love thy neighbor? I say thgis in lue of my preaching
slow speeds, stickered vehicles and appreciation of all we have with lettters
and proof for years.
John

Austin runs a close second.

Geo. Keagle




________________________________
From: John Mayson <john@...>
To: CarFree@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 12:10:57 PM
Subject: [CF] Doctor killed jogging while visiting Orlando


http://www.reuters. com/article/ rbssHealthcareNe ws/idUSN17357852 0091117

You might remember a recent survey came out listing Orlando as the
most dangerous place for pedestrians.

John

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Austin, Texas, USA






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http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSN173578520091117

You might remember a recent survey came out listing Orlando as the
most dangerous place for pedestrians.

John

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Austin, Texas, USA

=v= Well, here's one approach to saving the planet:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/senexprime/4055072020/

(Click on "All Sizes" -- it's best experienced at 3000x1941)

=v= Oh, don't worry that this would be some sort of teabagger's
worst "Obamasocialist" nightmare.  Warren Buffet is putting up
the cash.  Woo hoo!!!
     <_Jym_>

P.S.:  For those inclined to "retweet":  http://bit.ly/3WjQBD

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/11/pedestrian-fatalities-report/

--
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Austin, Texas, USA

INTRODUCTORY PROFILE



1. Which of the following best describes you? Please check one.

_X I own a car but use other forms of transport frequently



2. How long have you been either car-free or used non-automotive
transport as your principle means of transportation?

25+ years



3. What inspired your decision to reduce or end your reliance on the
automobile?

  Fuel Cost



4. What factors have either impeded or inspired your decision to reduce
your reliance on automotive transport?

Improved Health



5. Has your transportational choices had any discernible effect on your
family and friends?

Yes

6. What are the advantages and disadvantages of being car-free and/or
getting around without using a car?

Many savings, good health



7. Do you typically feel comfortable recommending car-free living to
your friends and/or relatives?

  Why or why not? Yes



8. Have you experienced any adverse consequences of reducing or
eliminating your automotive dependency with regard to time and finances?

No



9. Have there been any benefits?

Yes



10. In an ideal world, what role should the car play in the general
transportation system?

I know of no ideal world, thus I bike

11. Do you have any other personal or general thoughts you've care to
share on this topic?

Only those at the top of the page

12. Where do you live (city, state, country)?

Des Moines, IA USA

A humorous aside about structural engineering in general:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-QNAwUdHUQ

When you're done, get back to earnest discussion....


ps - here's a link to the actual incident they're having fun with:

http://www.amsa.gov.au/marine_environment_protection/Major_Oil_Spills_in_Austral\
ia/Kirki/index.asp

> But what I keep coming back to is our paltry 18.4 cents
> per gallon federal gasoline tax.  Granted California taxes
> gasoline more than most other states, but it's still not
> enough to fund new highway and bridge construction and
> maintenance.  That comes from the general fund.

=v= It's even worse than that.  California's gas tax is as
high as the federal tax, PLUS tons of money from the general
funds, PLUS the largest public works bond in U.S. history,
saddling the state with bond debt for 30 years.  And even
all that isn't enough to keep the highways maintained.

=v= The region has Spare The Air Days, which are announced when
air quality is particularly bad, and in theory the state wishes
to discourage driving on those days.  The part of the bridge
that failed is something they'd done a rush job on over the
Labor Day weekend, entirely to ensure that the bridge would be
open for cars on the following Tuesday.  This despite the fact
that they *knew* it was about to become a Spare The Air Day!
     <_Jym_>

For those who don't know, the busiest bridge in the San Francisco Bay
area, the Bay Bridge, is closed indefinitely due to 5,000 pounds of
metal falling off.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haVUKEctcZ2vga98Vq6VQv9S5GFAD9\
BKDEIO0

Of course there will be a full effort by local, federal, and state
officials to repair and reopen the bridge as soon as possible so as
not to inconvenience drivers.  But what I keep coming back to is our
paltry 18.4 cents per gallon federal gasoline tax.  Granted California
taxes gasoline more than most other states, but it's still not enough
to fund new highway and bridge construction and maintenance.  That
comes from the general fund.

I wonder how many other bridges and roadways will have to fail in the
coming years before America wakes up to the fact that if they want
reliable roads, they're going to have to pay for them.  And the
fairest way to do that is have the people who use the roads pay.

John

--
John Mayson <john@...>
Austin, Texas, USA

Have you heard of a city without cars, well mackinac island michigan has an
ordinance no motor vehicles, so people use horse and carriages and bikes to get
around. Here is a link to their chamber of commerce
http://www.mackinacisland.org/.

it is true that in many cases you don't have to drive to travel in
         baltimore,MD-washington d.c.-virginia region.

howard county has howard transit which connects with mta-maryland light rail
line at bwi-marshall airport
as well as bus service to other parts of howard county as well as
laurel,MD.

for more information contact
howard transit at 1-800-270-9553 or go to their website at
http://www.howardtransit.com

connect-a-ride also has bus serice to points in the baltimore-washington
d.c. corridor
including bus connections with the washington metropolitan area transit
authority at laurel mall
and mta-maryland's light rail line at cromwell station in glen burnie.

for more information go to
http://www.corridortransit.com  or you can reach them by calling the same
phone number that howard transit has.the WMATA has a few public transit
connections with MTA-MARYLAND,such as the b30 express bus line which runs
between the greenbelt metro station of the WMATA and BWI-Marshall
Airport where it connects with MTA-MARYLAND'S light rail line.
for information go to http://www.wmata.com and/or phone 1-202-637-7000

MTA-MARYLAND have the MARC COMMUTER RAIL SERVICE which runs between
baltimore,MD and washington D.C. as well as express bus service [#150
bus] between the town of columbia,long gate park&ride in howard
county[ellicott city] and downtown baltimore city.
for information go to http://www.mtamaryland.com  and/or phone
1-410-539-5000 and/or 1-866-743-3682 and for MARC Commuter Rail Information
phone 1-800-325-7245

for more WMATA information on these
connections call 1-202-637-7000 or go to their website at
http://www.wmata.com .

for more MTA-MARYLAND information on these connections and commuter and
express bus service call 1-866-743-3682 or 1-410-539-5000 or go to their
website at http://www.mtamaryland.com
for information on the bus transit systems between baltimore,MD and
washington d.c.[like RIDE ON of montgomery county] go to
http://www.apta.com/resources/links/unitedstates/Pages/MarylandTransitLinks.aspx


for the washington dc-metro region go to
http://www.apta.com/resources/links/unitedstates/Pages/DistrictofColumbiaTransit\
Links.aspx#a1


for the state of virginia go to
http://www.apta.com/resources/links/unitedstates/Pages/VirginiaTransitLinks.aspx

jonathan b.st.thomas


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Jym Dyer <jym@...> wrote:
> =v= Today I saw a spastic guy kicking the door of a car.  I
> didn't intervene or anything, since I figured, better a car
> than a human being.  He then lurched over to the car's parking
> meter, gave it the hairy eyeball, and punched it a few times.

Pretty funny.  I had a fun day without a car today.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jcmayson/JohnSExcellentAdventureToCentralMarket#

And this past Sunday.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jcmayson/DavidByrneDiscussionPanel#

John

--
John Mayson <john@...>
Austin, Texas, USA

=v= Today I saw a spastic guy kicking the door of a car.  I
didn't intervene or anything, since I figured, better a car
than a human being.  He then lurched over to the car's parking
meter, gave it the hairy eyeball, and punched it a few times.

=v= At this point I noticed that the car had a parking ticket.
He went back to the car, jumped onto the front hood, and tromped
across it.  This left dents but, as with the door, they popped
right back out.  Again, no reason to intervene.

=v= Then he got into the car and drove away.
     <_Jym_>

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090928/NEWS01/909260321/1086/Driver++W.+Me\
lbourne+mom+tried+to+sell+son+for+gas+money

Driver: W. Melbourne mom tried to sell son for gas money
	 BY KAUSTUV BASU
Florida Today | 28-Sep-2009

SUNTREE -- A 37-year-old woman was arrested Friday afternoon
after a tow truck driver told police that the woman offered to
sell her child to him in exchange for money to purchase gas,
Melbourne police said.

Marcy Pappalardo faces a charge of child neglect in connection
with the report. Police are investigating.

Melbourne police Sgt. Michael Casey said officers learned of
a 9-1-1 call about 3 p.m. from a tow truck driver who said a
woman had tried to sell him her 6-year-old boy in exchange for
gas money at a gas station near U.S. 1 and Lake Washington Road.

The driver refused, Melbourne police said, then followed the
mother, who was in a white sedan with her child and another
woman as he called police.

"He rolled up his window and followed her," Casey said. "They
drove all across north Melbourne."

Police stopped the white sedan in Suntree. Pappalardo was
questioned and arrested. Her 6-year-old boy sat on the trunk
of the car and cried as his mother was led away.

Roy Baijnath, the tow truck driver who lives in Palm Bay, said
he was concerned about the child's safety.

"You know, I have mixed feelings. To see the kid crying like
that on TV was tough. I caused that upon him, and I have a kid
of my own," Baijnath said Friday night. "But had it been the
other way, where would the child be?"

Mallory Acker, who was in the car with Pappalardo, told police
that the tow truck driver requested sex with the woman in
exchange for gas money.

"When she refused, he made up this story for police," Acker said.

No other arrests were made.

Baijnath said Friday night that there was no mention of sex in
the conversation.

The child is in the care of his father, police said.

it is true that in many cases you don't have to drive to travel in
         baltimore,MD-washington d.c. region.

howard county has howard transit which connects with mta-maryland light rail
line at bwi-marshall airport
as well as bus service to other parts of howard county as well as laurel,MD.

for more information contact
howard transit at 1-800-270-9553 or go to their website at
http://www.howardtransit.com

connect-a-ride also has bus serice to points in the baltimore-washington d.c.
corridor
including bus connections with the washington metropolitan area transit
authority at laurel mall
and mta-maryland's light rail line at cromwell station in glen burnie.

for more information go to
http://www.corridortransit.com  or you can reach them by calling the same phone
number that howard transit has.the WMATA has a few public transit
connections with MTA-MARYLAND,such as the b30 express bus line which runs
between the greenbelt metro station of the WMATA and BWI-Marshall
Airport where it connects with MTA-MARYLAND'S light rail line.
for information go to http://www.wmata.com and/or phone 1-202-637-7000


MTA-MARYLAND have the MARC COMMUTER RAIL SERVICE which runs between
baltimore,MD and washington D.C. as well as express bus service [#150 bus]
between long gate park&ride in howard county[ellicott city] and downtown
baltimore city.
for information go to http://www.mtamaryland.com  and/or phone
1-410-539-5000 and/or 1-866-743-3682 and for MARC Commuter Rail Information
phone 1-800-325-7245



for more WMATA information on these
connections call 1-202-637-7000 or go to their website at http://www.wmata.com .

for more MTA-MARYLAND information on these connections and commuter and express
bus service call 1-866-743-3682 or 1-410-539-5000 or go to their website at
http://www.mtamaryland.com

for information on the bus transit systems between baltimore,MD and washington
d.c.[like RIDE ON of montgomery county] go to
http://www.apta.com/resources/links/unitedstates/Pages/MarylandTransitLinks.aspx

--

   jonathan b.st.thomas

Here are my profile answers;

1. I do not presently own a car though I have owned cars previously.

2. I have been car free for over 3 months.

3. I decided to do away with my car when I realized that if I didn't have to
support my car, I could quit my job! I have felt the tension and pressure from
the job and commute drain from me.

4. I have been inspired by the amount of money I don't have to spend, and by the
health benefits I've accrued in a mere 90 days of bike riding! I've lost a pants
size and a shirt size; I don't get winded as easily; I sleep better and I have
fewer aches and pains. I also get to spend healthful time with my nephews; we
bike all over the county. The down side of being car free--I have a mobility
impaired parent who was dependent on me for rides, however, she has come to
enjoy the independence she has gained by using public transit.

5. For the most part the impact on my family has been positive, as noted above.

6. The advantages I've discovered so far, along with the health benefits noted
above, I've found time--time to be a part of my family and attend the kids games
and practices, part of my community and local government, and time to indulge
long differed hobbies and persue knowledge for the joy of it. I've also learned
patience and time management both cycling and using the bus/train. The downside,
so far, has really only amounted to dealing with drivers not sharing the road
with bicyclists.

7. Rather than recommending giving up the car to friends and family, I merely
tell them what I've done in the course of conversation; tell them how I feel and
let them draw their own conclusions. I do it that way because I've found nothing
so annoying as an evangelist for anything--plant the seed and let it grow,
rather than beat them into "conversion".

8. The only adversity I've encountered so far has been a limit on how far from
my home I can entertain notions of working. And that has turned out to be no
adverse consequence at all. Financially, I've found a windfall, without car
payments, insurance and gas and oil, I've found $350.00 not spent.

9. As stated above, I've lost weight, gotten in better shape, and have more
money with less work involved. I have time to do as I want, and I can actually
say I am doing something to make the world a better place for my having been in
it.

10.In my ideal world the car would become an example and a monument to the
pursuit of an idea to an absurd extreme.

11. I'm happy to be a part of the future of our communities and to be an example
for the upcoming generations.
12. I live in Paso Robles, California, USA.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Brett Delmage <Brett.Delmage@...>
> Date: September 2, 2009 1:24:36 PM ADT
> Reply-To: facilities-n-planning@...
>
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, John A. Ardelli wrote:
>
>> I know this has nothing to do with the topic of this group.  If
>> you're not interested in off-topic posts, I apologize for the
>> intrusion; feel free to delete it.  However, as it is on an issue
>> that I believe affects ALL users of the Internet, I felt compelled
>> to share this:
>>
>> http://pedalingprince.blogspot.com/2009/09/internet-neutrality.html
>
> "Until now, the concept described by the term was part of the
> "common sense" of the Internet"
>
> Hi John, "net neutrality"  may not be directly related to this
> group, but it has parallels to cycling.
>
> Cyclists have fought and continue to fight for our rights to use the
> road: ALL roads (except some high-level limited access highways) and
> continue to do so. As cyclists, we believe that public roads should
> accomodate ALL vehicles, not just vehicles with 4 wheels, or people
> who pay "gas taxes" (not that those pay the true costs of roads!)
>
> It was free-spirit individuals, cyclists, who started the "good road
> movement" - and than later found themselves increasingly not welcome
> on them.
>
> I DO think there are similarities between fighting for equal road
> access and fighting for equal internet access. Cyclists, of all
> individuals, should understand this - and join the new movement
> fighting to maintain full access to the information highway, in
> addition to the asphalt one.
>
> As we are finding out in Ontario, when you're kicked off the real
> provincial asphalt highway, good luck getting there from here. It's
> a lot harder fighting this AFTER it happens.
>
> Good luck to us all.
>
> Brett Delmage
> Ottawa, ON
>
> running independent cycling internet email, list and web servers
> since 2008 - and hoping to be able to continue doing so

John A. Ardelli
http://pedalingprince.blogspot.com

--- In CarFree@yahoogroups.com, Jym Dyer <jym@...> wrote:
>
> =v= The U.S. government has recently shelled out a lot of money
> to reward bad behavior, a "Cash for Clunkers" program...
>
> =v= It took a beer company to come up with the more intelligent
> approach, Bikes for Clunkers:
>
> http://www.newbelgium.com/trade

Now, that sure is a better idea than "Cash for Clunkers".

I am running an Xtracycle on a Novarra Randonnee that needs a new front
wheel (700x35-43) in the next 2-3 months. Also since I just scored a new gig
after 5 months of no work that sees me commuting around 10 at night I also
wanted to look to at a generator for lighting purposes.

Any ideas, recommendations, etc. would be awesome. Stability, strength, and
longevity are more important than weight.
Thanks and ride safe,
Devin


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On 31-Aug-09, at 6:45 PM, AnnaLisa Wiley wrote:

> Isn't this group moderated?
>
> Can we get rid of gelfling@...?

I am "gelfling@..." and have been a member for quite some
time.

Try the link; it's legitimately Car Free related as it relates to
recycling used bicycle tire tubes to create something useful.

John A. Ardelli
http://pedalingprince.blogspot.com

Isn't this group moderated?

Can we get rid of gelfling@...?

-alw



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Hi Car Free,

I thought you might like this item:

http://www.nimli.com/detail_17796__1901.html



-John A. Ardelli

=v= The U.S. government has recently shelled out a lot of money
to reward bad behavior, a "Cash for Clunkers" program for idiots
who bought gas-guzzlers to trade for slightly-less-gas-guzzling
cars.

=v= It took a beer company to come up with the more intelligent
approach, Bikes for Clunkers:

http://www.newbelgium.com/trade

     <_Jym_>

Begin forwarded message:
> By Marc Hansen
> August 25, 2009
>
> Say what you will about unpredictable, self-absorbed bicycle riders.
> At least they aren't text messaging as they dart in front of you.
>
> And when it comes to accidents with cars, trucks, SUVs and other
> armored vehicles, cyclists are almost always the big losers.
>
> So what's the problem, motorists? You have something against
> colorfully attired, physically fit friends of the environment?
>
> Yes, cyclists can be arrogant and superior and careless. Too many
> zip through stop signs and stray too close to the center line and
> think they own the road.
>
> But get used to them. In 20 years, everyone will be wearing
> stretchy, tight-fitting outfits and football-shaped headgear (or the
> 2029 equivalent) and sharing the street with smart cars not much
> bigger than the bikes they're trying to avoid.
>
> OK, time out. I'd like to keep fanning the car-vs.-bike flames and
> banging the war drums. It's fun and easy.
>
> Too easy, in fact. This long-running cyclist-motorist feud has gone
> too far and grown too ugly for no good reason. It must stop.
>
> You'd think everyone was screaming about a public health care option
> or gays in committed relationships becoming Lutheran pastors. This
> isn't the end of the world like that.
>
> But groups of people don't just have honest disagreements anymore.
> Their similarities must be minimized and their differences
> overemphasized and exaggerated until extremists on both sides drown
> everyone else out.
>
> So why should something as innocent as bicycle safety be any
> different from a raucous town hall meeting?
>
> Neither cars nor bicycles are going away. It doesn't have to be like
> this.
>
> Last spring in rural Cumming, a truck hauling anhydrous ammonia hit
> a bicyclist while trying to pass. The rider suffered critical
> injuries but survived. The driver, a farmer who'll turn 78 in a few
> days, suffered emotional trauma.
>
> The cyclists held a rally at the Statehouse, pushing for a change in
> the law.
>
> The friends of the farmer held a meeting in support of their friend.
> He's a good and compassionate man, they said, who didn't deserve the
> harsh criticism he received. It was a terrible, regrettable
> accident, but he isn't a terrible man. Just the opposite.
>
> Timothy McCoy, a cyclist from Des Moines who was riding nearby at
> the time of the incident, had a strange reaction.
>
> He wanted to get the victim, Doug Smith, and the driver, John Lynch,
> together when both were feeling better. It never happened. Neither
> was ready to meet, but McCoy was on the right track.
>
> When the noise gets too loud, it might help to remember that most
> drivers don't hate cyclists and most cyclists don't believe all
> drivers are out to get them. So take the noise with a ton of road
> salt. Though relatively peaceful coexistence is the norm, you'd
> never know it.
>
> There's a petition circulating that would allow Iowans to vote on
> banning bicycles from rural highways. There's a counter-petition
> asking lawmakers to support a ballot initiative prohibiting all
> motor vehicles from using farm-to-market roads.
>
> On Monday afternoon the Des Moines City Council met to further
> consider painting bike lanes on Ingersoll Avenue. Business owners in
> the neighborhood against the plan worry about losing money and
> gaining congestion. At least this time the debate hasn't been overly
> contentious.
>
> Not like the aftermath of the Cumming accident when some people
> accused Lynch of intentionally hurting Smith.
>
> "I've been with cyclists who have the us-vs.-them mentality," McCoy
> said. "It's a form of tribalism. We have our colors. You have yours.
> We're different from everyone else. And that just contributes to
> more of the same."
>
> At least one person called Smith names and said he got what he
> deserved. McCoy wanted to meet that guy.
>
> "He'd never say that if he knew Doug," McCoy said. "I wanted to talk
> to him because, when he gets to know me and those like me, that
> helps create a place where we can coexist and even help one another
> be safe.
>
> "I don't know where the anger comes from. But if we could sit down
> over a beer, that kind of stuff would go away."
>
> Sitting down over a beer wasn't a cure-all for the black Harvard
> professor and the white cop, but it's a start.
>

John A. Ardelli
http://pedalingprince.blogspot.com

=v= A group calling themselves "Angry Green Girls" launched
a bikini car wash for hybrids and EVs only:

http://www.examiner.com/x-11005-San-Jose-Auto-Industry-Examiner~y2009m8d25-Bikin\
i-car-wash-for-hybrids-and-EVs-only-launches-AngryGreenGirlcom--video--photos

Yeah, that's gonna save the planet.
     <_Jym_>

On 25-Aug-09, at 7:32 PM, John Mayson wrote:

> There is a Kia car dealership adjacent to my neighborhood . . .
> There were two to three dozen, perhaps more, large vehicles parked
> outside their gate, along both sides of the street, and even in the
> drainage ditch that parallels
> the street on both sides. It dawned on me these were the "cash for
> clunkers" trade-ins.
>
> 4. Once again people who choose to be carfree are left out. Why not
> pay people not to own a car in the first place or to trade it in and
> walk away, literally, with nothing?

http://frameworkfitness.com/retire-your-ride/

John A. Ardelli
http://pedalingprince.blogspot.com

There is a Kia car dealership adjacent to my neighborhood.  One of the
entrances to my subdivision is across a two-lane road from the back of
this dealership.  Over the weekend I noticed something.  There were two to
three dozen, perhaps more, large vehicles parked outside their gate, along
both sides of the street, and even in the drainage ditch that parallels
the street on both sides.  It dawned on me these were the "cash for
clunkers" trade-ins.

Here are my thoughts on this.

1. While I can't comment on the actual condition of any of these vehicles,
many appeared to be in good shape.  But by law the dealership will have to
pour liquid glass into the gas tank rendering the engine inoperable and
these hulking shells will end up in a landfill.

2. How will buying cars built in South Korea boost our economy?

3. Who gave the dealership permission to store their inventory in public
space?  Are they paying for this privilege?  Do I want a vehicle possibly
leaking antifreeze, oil, and other fluids parked in a drainage ditch where
it'll eventually end up in our environment?

4. Once again people who choose to be carfree are left out.  Why not pay
people not to own a car in the first place or to trade it in and walk
away, literally, with nothing?

John

--
John Mayson <john@...>
Austin, Texas, USA

As far as I know, the bulk of the resistance was from the property owners.
Most of us are pretty sick of the traffic and understand that doing nothing
is ultimately more expensive.

-ALW


--- In  <mailto:CarFree%40yahoogroups.com> CarFree@yahoogroups.com,
"AnnaLisa Wiley" <carfree@...> wrote:
>
> NIMBY="Not-In-My-Back-Yard"
>
> There are the people in Marin County, CA who blocked the building
> of a light rail commuter train connecting one of the most densely
> populated areas of Northern California to San Francisco .......
> It finally passed on the last ballot but they succeeded in delaying > it
for many years and construction is not slated to start until
> 2011.

Ok, thanks AnnaLisa. I hope idea that kind of resistance was put up by
property owners.



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http://www.bristol247.com/2009/08/14/transport-chief-admits-some-cycle-lanes-red\
uce-safety/

--- In CarFree@yahoogroups.com, "AnnaLisa Wiley" <carfree@...> wrote:
>
> NIMBY="Not-In-My-Back-Yard"
>
> There are the people in Marin County, CA who blocked the building
> of a light rail commuter train connecting one of the most densely
> populated areas of Northern California to San Francisco .......
> It finally passed on the last ballot but they succeeded in delaying > it for
many years and construction is not slated to start until
> 2011.

Ok, thanks AnnaLisa.  I hope idea that kind of resistance was put up by property
owners.