Sigh,
It sounds like you all had alot of fun and I'm glad the dance and ball stuff
went well. Especially since so many of the dance teachers had real life
meltdowns and couldn't make it this year (I counted up six of us that were
not going or only making only a small part of Lilies this year).
Thankyou to all who were involved in keeping dance going without us pushing
from behind ;)
Thanyou Thank you THANKYOU

HL Rowan Houndskeeper
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
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From: "connacarol" <carol.oconnell@...>
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:58:56 -0000
Subject: [CalontirDance] Lilies thank you


Thanks to all the musicians who came to Lilies and played in the music
pits. I had a terrific time playing with you all this year. Special
thanks to the hearty brave souls who were up to the challenge of the
jamfests organized by Micha of Wolgemut in the Broken Harp.

The dance party on Monday night sponsored by our dear friends in the
Barony of Shattered Crystal was a whole lot of fun. I know it's a
tremendous amount of work from our Midrealm friends, but I had a great
time, and I was really pleased with the turnout.

Thank you to Lady Neathery, who organized this year's pilgrimage on
Tuesday afternoon. I thought it was a lot of fun, especially the
encore performance at Ellien's laureling vigil Wednesday night by
candlelight. I received lots of positive comments about it.

And a heartfelt thank you to our dancing Midrealm friends Philippe and
Shannon, who graciously stepped forward to make sure that we had a
Liles Ball this year. It would have never happened without you, and I
am deeply in your debt. You have my deepest regard.

Love,
Conna




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This may be of interest to any musicians attending Courtly Love in
September.

-Julian

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Calling all Musicians



?



There will be a short ball (two sets of 5 or 6 dances) fallowing feast
at Gryphon/Mammoth event and wile
we can use Musicians in a box (aka CD player) it would be great to have
live dance music. So if you would
like, and are able to play for us at Courtly Love please e-mail me off
list so I can see if we have enough people
and can get input on dance selection.

?

In Service

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P.S if you know of other Musicians not in the barony who
might be coming to this kingdom level event please FW this e-mail on to
them!




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Greetings.
Cross posting to try to reach the largest knowledge base possible.

Our shire had a demo last night and I was told by many people that they
were really happy to have me playing mandolin & alto & tenor recorders
in the background while they did their A&S display and then Fighting
demonstration.

It got me thinking and I need some help. [ I usually need help with
thinking *grin*]

I'm having difficulty getting our music group back up and running this
new semester, and dance has been regretfully nearly dead since Seonaid
went away *cry*.  I'm thinking this endeavor might kill two birds with
one stone in that it may also get people energized for both of these
activities again.

The endeavor:

How cool would it be to have two or three dances worked up that only
require two couples or four singles.  With live music, with at least two
instruments playing in harmony/counterpoint, it would be wonderful.  I
expect I could talk another member or two into learning the soprano
parts of a couple of dances for this purpose leaving me the harmony.

The dances would need to have the following requirements I am thinking:

1. Able to be danced with a low turnout ( 2 couples or 4 singles, etc.
We have perhaps this many in a core group that is diligent to attend
most demos and such).

2. Able to be danced in poor venues (we can't always be blessed with a
ballroom to dance in).

3. Simple, both for our shire members in learning for the initial group
and in picking up the dances if perhaps we end up with 3 singles, or 1.5
couples or similar.

3.1 Simple so that we might invite the public to join us.  We'd have
cheat sheets printed with the steps so that any of our core group would
be able to 'call/teach' the steps.

3.2 A dance that would allow audience participation.

4. It's gotta look super cool and fit people's stereotypes of medieval
music and dance (Loosely..  I realize the importance of authenticity,
but also the importance of doing something that the audience can relate
to and not be turned off by.)

5. They have to be non-acrobatic, non-contact.  No tossing of Duchesses
and the like, and perhaps it's best to limit physical contact to
touching of hands and forearms.  These could be children of either
gender and they can't be expected to throw people around even if they
realize that it's largely stylized and that the Duchess does a good
percentage of the tossing.  Also height & weight differences would be a
consideration.  Finally, keeping physical contact between adults and
children need to be absolutely appropriate and obviously above board.

6. It would be beneficial if we had a history/genre/style description of
the dance/music/steps/etc that could be read off ahead of time to
provide education and evoke interest.  It would also underscore the fact
that we are an academic re-enactment group and not just a bunch of
freaks (the public's word, not mine... to each their own), who like to
dress up and 'pretend' they ride dragons and cast spells.

So...  I'd welcome suggestions of a tune list.  I'd really like to have
a minimum of three and would be very happy with four.

Replied Privately


To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com; Calontir_Camerata@...:
Merry@...: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:02:59 -0500Subject:
[CalontirDance] Help creating a dance list.




Greetings.Cross posting to try to reach the largest knowledge base possible.Our
shire had a demo last night and I was told by many people that they were really
happy to have me playing mandolin & alto & tenor recorders in the background
while they did their A&S display and then Fighting demonstration.It got me
thinking and I need some help. [ I usually need help with thinking *grin*]I'm
having difficulty getting our music group back up and running this new semester,
and dance has been regretfully nearly dead since Seonaid went away *cry*. I'm
thinking this endeavor might kill two birds with one stone in that it may also
get people energized for both of these activities again.The endeavor:How cool
would it be to have two or three dances worked up that only require two couples
or four singles. With live music, with at least two instruments playing in
harmony/counterpoint, it would be wonderful. I expect I could talk another
member or two into learning the soprano parts of a couple of dances for this
purpose leaving me the harmony.The dances would need to have the following
requirements I am thinking:1. Able to be danced with a low turnout ( 2 couples
or 4 singles, etc. We have perhaps this many in a core group that is diligent to
attend most demos and such).2. Able to be danced in poor venues (we can't always
be blessed with a ballroom to dance in).3. Simple, both for our shire members in
learning for the initial group and in picking up the dances if perhaps we end up
with 3 singles, or 1.5 couples or similar.3.1 Simple so that we might invite the
public to join us. We'd have cheat sheets printed with the steps so that any of
our core group would be able to 'call/teach' the steps.3.2 A dance that would
allow audience participation.4. It's gotta look super cool and fit people's
stereotypes of medieval music and dance (Loosely.. I realize the importance of
authenticity, but also the importance of doing something that the audience can
relate to and not be turned off by.)5. They have to be non-acrobatic,
non-contact. No tossing of Duchesses and the like, and perhaps it's best to
limit physical contact to touching of hands and forearms. These could be
children of either gender and they can't be expected to throw people around even
if they realize that it's largely stylized and that the Duchess does a good
percentage of the tossing. Also height & weight differences would be a
consideration. Finally, keeping physical contact between adults and children
need to be absolutely appropriate and obviously above board.6. It would be
beneficial if we had a history/genre/style description of the
dance/music/steps/etc that could be read off ahead of time to provide education
and evoke interest. It would also underscore the fact that we are an academic
re-enactment group and not just a bunch of freaks (the public's word, not
mine... to each their own), who like to dress up and 'pretend' they ride dragons
and cast spells.So... I'd welcome suggestions of a tune list. I'd really like to
have a minimum of three and would be very happy with four.






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Just to let music folks and others know.  There will be an all day music
pit at BOH.  As always dancers welcome.  All music folks are invited to
stay with me, but I am post revel site and will be hitting full Pavel mode
about 8ish. :)  Steak Thang after event at revel site.  Will also be the
free custom omelets and waffles Sunday morning at revel site.  Oh, it's
also the weekend of Bike, Blues and BBQ in Grimfells.  Were 350K+ bikers
last year.

Come on the BOH,  you know you wanna.

Pav

Bikers and waffles and Pavel, Oh My!
Drat that I have to work!
I encourage anyone who can, to go and experience the lovely hospitality and
rippin' good time one can have at a  Grimfells event.

Tsire


To: CalontirDance@...: CALONTIR@...;
Grim-music@...: mightypav@...: Mon, 17 Sep 2007
07:56:52 -0500Subject: [CalontirDance] BOH




Just to let music folks and others know. There will be an all day music pit at
BOH. As always dancers welcome. All music folks are invited to stay with me, but
I am post revel site and will be hitting full Pavel mode about 8ish. :) Steak
Thang after event at revel site. Will also be the free custom omelets and
waffles Sunday morning at revel site. Oh, it's also the weekend of Bike, Blues
and BBQ in Grimfells. Were 350K+ bikers last year.Come on the BOH, you know you
wanna.Pav






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Kemps Jeg

This was a fun new dance and we made it work ok last night but is very much a
work in progress. To move it forward I offer the following.
Please forward to any who you think might be interested who are not on this list
- especially any who participated last night,

First of all the music listed is 16 bars. This is for one repeat of a single
man's pass. It repeats 3 times for each man in each verse (9 times overall).
Thsts 27 repeats for the entire dance - we may have to bribe the musicians to
play it :)

Verse 1

(8) One man lead in two women forwards and back twice. - Exactly as was done -
though I'm not sure if the man should be leading towards one of the other man
(i.e. the 'taunting') If the active man leads toward the inactive lady you have
a line of 3 facing 3 - opposite genders facing. It also means he will be more
oriented toward the woman he will turn at the end. There is no direct indication
in playford so this is just conjecture either way.
(2) Honor to one - first man honor one woman {partner?]}
(2) Honor the other - first man honor other woman [of the 2 he lead in with]
{contrary}
(4) Turn the third - Exactly as done

The next phrase indicates how the progression works

(8) Lead your own with you left hand and the woman you turned,

This indicates that women 1 and 3 are active for the second repeat and tha
active man's partner is on the left (she was
on the right for the first pass).

It also follows that as your are turning the third woman, you keep holding right
hands as you come out of the turn and
will be standing in front of the third man (facing away from him)

(8) and as much - this will leave the active man  in front of the second man,
with the third lady on his left and second lady oh his right.
{this leaves the men progressing around the set counter clock wise}

(16) Then as much with the other two women, turning your own - finishes off the
first man's cycle ending with his own partner.

(48) The next man as much

(48) Then the third man as much

Verse 2

This verse is a little less clear, it think we almost got it right.

(8) First man lead the women as before - to me this sounds like the full up and
back twice from the first verse
(4) Turn half around, holding both hands, and with his own as much to the other
- this is not very clear. The
'and with his own as much to the other' to me implies 2 moves. At first I
thought about two hand half turns first with
partner then woman 2. But a half turn with his partner does not put the man in a
position to half turn woman 2.
The other possibility that comes to mind is 2 half turns in a circle, each
taking 2 measures. This leaves both
ladies in their original positions and the first man facing the third lady for
he turn. Again the 'and with his own
as much to the other' phrase seem to indicate first you circle to the right then
to the left (i.e. toward your own, then
to the other.) Though this really doesn't matter.

(4) Turn the third woman - just like the first verse
(32) Do thus all to the rest following
(96) and doing the like

Verse 3

This was essentially completely correct. I very much like giving the women the
option of which way to turn and  Tsire's suggestion that the women place their
outside hand on their outside hip and the man's hands cross behind the women.

(4) First man take the Women as before by the contrary hands behind, then lead
them forwards and back. - if we take this as just a single up and back this
leaves 12 counts for the rest
(4) Pull one half about and kiss her - this sounds like the woman doing a half
turn than a quarter, and ending  up close to directly in front of the active man

W2  M1  W1

        W1
W2 M1

Its would also mean that if the woman wants to turn the other way the turn would
be the same distance {in keeping with the pattern of the
other verses I would suggest the man should turn his partner first}
(4) as much with the other woman
(4) turn the third

This might make the half turn and kiss a bit long (each as long as a double up
and back).
An alternative to this might be

(8) Double up and back twice (just like in the other verses)
(2) Pull one half about and kiss her
(2) as much with the other woman
(4) turn the third

This gives a completely parallel structure to the 3 verses and not having a very
lingering kiss phrase

Those are my thoughts so have at it :)

Conrad


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How much longer must we play, we don't really have all day;
We musicians want more pay, End This Dance!

Can't you tell that we are bored, though we have your cash, Good Lord,
6 more times you can't afford, End This Dance

Violinist's fingers bleed, Rackett player splits his reed,
Grief unending we don't need, Up The Fee!

Dancers now have their second wind, kindly me your bare bodkin lend,
Mercy will this hell never end?, End This Dance.

Judging by that, Musicians are completely bribable.

I don't have this music in my packet.. Is it something common, or is it
something that I could notate in Finale to be at all helpful?  If it is
available, I would love a copy for our local group.

Sauer, Michael F. wrote:
>
> Kemps Jeg
>
> This was a fun new dance and we made it work ok last night but is very
> much a work in progress. To move it forward I offer the following.
> Please forward to any who you think might be interested who are not on
> this list - especially any who participated last night,
>
> First of all the music listed is 16 bars. This is for one repeat of a
> single man's pass. It repeats 3 times for each man in each verse (9
> times overall).
> Thsts 27 repeats for the entire dance - we may have to bribe the
> musicians to play it :)
>
> Verse 1
>
> (8) One man lead in two women forwards and back twice. - Exactly as
> was done - though I'm not sure if the man should be leading towards
> one of the other man (i.e. the 'taunting') If the active man leads
> toward the inactive lady you have a line of 3 facing 3 - opposite
> genders facing. It also means he will be more oriented toward the
> woman he will turn at the end. There is no direct indication in
> playford so this is just conjecture either way.
> (2) Honor to one - first man honor one woman {partner?]}
> (2) Honor the other - first man honor other woman [of the 2 he lead in
> with] {contrary}
> (4) Turn the third - Exactly as done
>
> The next phrase indicates how the progression works
>
> (8) Lead your own with you left hand and the woman you turned,
>
> This indicates that women 1 and 3 are active for the second repeat and
> tha active man's partner is on the left (she was
> on the right for the first pass).
>
> It also follows that as your are turning the third woman, you keep
> holding right hands as you come out of the turn and
> will be standing in front of the third man (facing away from him)
>
> (8) and as much - this will leave the active man in front of the
> second man, with the third lady on his left and second lady oh his right.
> {this leaves the men progressing around the set counter clock wise}
>
> (16) Then as much with the other two women, turning your own -
> finishes off the first man's cycle ending with his own partner.
>
> (48) The next man as much
>
> (48) Then the third man as much
>
> Verse 2
>
> This verse is a little less clear, it think we almost got it right.
>
> (8) First man lead the women as before - to me this sounds like the
> full up and back twice from the first verse
> (4) Turn half around, holding both hands, and with his own as much to
> the other - this is not very clear. The
> 'and with his own as much to the other' to me implies 2 moves. At
> first I thought about two hand half turns first with
> partner then woman 2. But a half turn with his partner does not put
> the man in a position to half turn woman 2.
> The other possibility that comes to mind is 2 half turns in a circle,
> each taking 2 measures. This leaves both
> ladies in their original positions and the first man facing the third
> lady for he turn. Again the 'and with his own
> as much to the other' phrase seem to indicate first you circle to the
> right then to the left (i.e. toward your own, then
> to the other.) Though this really doesn't matter.
>
> (4) Turn the third woman - just like the first verse
> (32) Do thus all to the rest following
> (96) and doing the like
>
> Verse 3
>
> This was essentially completely correct. I very much like giving the
> women the option of which way to turn and Tsire's suggestion that the
> women place their outside hand on their outside hip and the man's
> hands cross behind the women.
>
> (4) First man take the Women as before by the contrary hands behind,
> then lead them forwards and back. - if we take this as just a single
> up and back this leaves 12 counts for the rest
> (4) Pull one half about and kiss her - this sounds like the woman
> doing a half turn than a quarter, and ending up close to directly in
> front of the active man
>
> W2 M1 W1
>
> W1
> W2 M1
>
> Its would also mean that if the woman wants to turn the other way the
> turn would be the same distance {in keeping with the pattern of the
> other verses I would suggest the man should turn his partner first}
> (4) as much with the other woman
> (4) turn the third
>
> This might make the half turn and kiss a bit long (each as long as a
> double up and back).
> An alternative to this might be
>
> (8) Double up and back twice (just like in the other verses)
> (2) Pull one half about and kiss her
> (2) as much with the other woman
> (4) turn the third
>
> This gives a completely parallel structure to the 3 verses and not
> having a very lingering kiss phrase
>
> Those are my thoughts so have at it :)
>
> Conrad
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




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On 9/23/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
Merry@...> wrote:

> I don't have this music in my packet.. Is it something common, or is it
>  something that I could notate in Finale to be at all helpful?  If it is
>  available, I would love a copy for our local group.


http://crab.rutgers.edu/~pbutler/music.html
for a pdf and midi arrangement

http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Mock-Hobby-Horse/
for realaudio

and for the original
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/playford_1651/

It's not commonly performed as a dance in the SCA, but the tune seems to pop
up in a lot of collections.  I think the name appeals.

katriana


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I have a NoteWorthy workup of it and a midi file that I can send you from home.
The tune is from Playford's English Dancing Master (1651).
According to the musicians who played it at the Courtly Love event, it's fairly
catchy.

Tsire


To: CalontirDance@...: Merry@...:
Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:37:00 -0500Subject: Re: [CalontirDance] Kemps Jeg




How much longer must we play, we don't really have all day;We musicians want
more pay, End This Dance!Can't you tell that we are bored, though we have your
cash, Good Lord,6 more times you can't afford, End This DanceViolinist's fingers
bleed, Rackett player splits his reed,Grief unending we don't need, Up The
Fee!Dancers now have their second wind, kindly me your bare bodkin lend,Mercy
will this hell never end?, End This Dance.Judging by that, Musicians are
completely bribable.I don't have this music in my packet.. Is it something
common, or is it something that I could notate in Finale to be at all helpful?
If it is available, I would love a copy for our local group.Sauer, Michael F.
wrote:>> Kemps Jeg>> This was a fun new dance and we made it work ok last night
but is very > much a work in progress. To move it forward I offer the
following.> Please forward to any who you think might be interested who are not
on > this list - especially any who participated last night,>> First of all the
music listed is 16 bars. This is for one repeat of a > single man's pass. It
repeats 3 times for each man in each verse (9 > times overall).> Thsts 27
repeats for the entire dance - we may have to bribe the > musicians to play it
:)>> Verse 1>> (8) One man lead in two women forwards and back twice. - Exactly
as > was done - though I'm not sure if the man should be leading towards > one
of the other man (i.e. the 'taunting') If the active man leads > toward the
inactive lady you have a line of 3 facing 3 - opposite > genders facing. It also
means he will be more oriented toward the > woman he will turn at the end. There
is no direct indication in > playford so this is just conjecture either way.>
(2) Honor to one - first man honor one woman {partner?]}> (2) Honor the other -
first man honor other woman [of the 2 he lead in > with] {contrary}> (4) Turn
the third - Exactly as done>> The next phrase indicates how the progression
works>> (8) Lead your own with you left hand and the woman you turned,>> This
indicates that women 1 and 3 are active for the second repeat and > tha active
man's partner is on the left (she was> on the right for the first pass).>> It
also follows that as your are turning the third woman, you keep > holding right
hands as you come out of the turn and> will be standing in front of the third
man (facing away from him)>> (8) and as much - this will leave the active man in
front of the > second man, with the third lady on his left and second lady oh
his right.> {this leaves the men progressing around the set counter clock
wise}>> (16) Then as much with the other two women, turning your own - >
finishes off the first man's cycle ending with his own partner.>> (48) The next
man as much>> (48) Then the third man as much>> Verse 2>> This verse is a little
less clear, it think we almost got it right.>> (8) First man lead the women as
before - to me this sounds like the > full up and back twice from the first
verse> (4) Turn half around, holding both hands, and with his own as much to >
the other - this is not very clear. The> 'and with his own as much to the other'
to me implies 2 moves. At > first I thought about two hand half turns first
with> partner then woman 2. But a half turn with his partner does not put > the
man in a position to half turn woman 2.> The other possibility that comes to
mind is 2 half turns in a circle, > each taking 2 measures. This leaves both>
ladies in their original positions and the first man facing the third > lady for
he turn. Again the 'and with his own> as much to the other' phrase seem to
indicate first you circle to the > right then to the left (i.e. toward your own,
then> to the other.) Though this really doesn't matter.>> (4) Turn the third
woman - just like the first verse> (32) Do thus all to the rest following> (96)
and doing the like>> Verse 3>> This was essentially completely correct. I very
much like giving the > women the option of which way to turn and Tsire's
suggestion that the > women place their outside hand on their outside hip and
the man's > hands cross behind the women.>> (4) First man take the Women as
before by the contrary hands behind, > then lead them forwards and back. - if we
take this as just a single > up and back this leaves 12 counts for the rest> (4)
Pull one half about and kiss her - this sounds like the woman > doing a half
turn than a quarter, and ending up close to directly in > front of the active
man>> W2 M1 W1>> W1> W2 M1>> Its would also mean that if the woman wants to turn
the other way the > turn would be the same distance {in keeping with the pattern
of the> other verses I would suggest the man should turn his partner first}> (4)
as much with the other woman> (4) turn the third>> This might make the half turn
and kiss a bit long (each as long as a > double up and back).> An alternative to
this might be>> (8) Double up and back twice (just like in the other verses)>
(2) Pull one half about and kiss her> (2) as much with the other woman> (4) turn
the third>> This gives a completely parallel structure to the 3 verses and not >
having a very lingering kiss phrase>> Those are my thoughts so have at it :)>>
Conrad>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> -- //
Merry----------"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder LutreShire of Standing Stones,
University of Missouri at ColumbiaFormerly known as Philippe Sebastian
LeLutreMundanely known as Christian M. Cepelhttp://Thistledowne.org/
http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576),
modernly 'Turlough',pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or
'loch'[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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Thank you.!

Evelyn Alden wrote:
>
> On 9/23/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
> Merry@...
> <mailto:Merry%40shireofthestandingstones.org>> wrote:
>
> > I don't have this music in my packet.. Is it something common, or is it
> > something that I could notate in Finale to be at all helpful? If it is
> > available, I would love a copy for our local group.
>
> http://crab.rutgers.edu/~pbutler/music.html
> <http://crab.rutgers.edu/%7Epbutler/music.html>
> for a pdf and midi arrangement
>
> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Mock-Hobby-Horse/
> <http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Mock-Hobby-Horse/>
> for realaudio
>
> and for the original
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/playford_1651/
> <http://www.pbm.com/%7Elindahl/playford_1651/>
>
> It's not commonly performed as a dance in the SCA, but the tune seems
> to pop
> up in a lot of collections. I think the name appeals.
>
> katriana
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




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That'd be great.  Will you be teaching this one tonight?

I think there was a time that you said you could demonstrate how the
lyric I just included really does fit the meter of Hole in the Wall :)
I'm still hoping to hear it done as thought I think I've come close a
few times, I never can get through it w/o having to cram a syllable or
two here and there.

Thanks!

Tsire Tuzevo wrote:
>
> I have a NoteWorthy workup of it and a midi file that I can send you
> from home. The tune is from Playford's English Dancing Master (1651).
> According to the musicians who played it at the Courtly Love event,
> it's fairly catchy.
>
> Tsire
>
> To: CalontirDance@...
> <mailto:CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.comFrom>:
> Merry@...
> <mailto:Merry%40ShireOfTheStandingStones.orgDate>: Sun, 23 Sep 2007
> 20:37:00 -0500Subject: Re: [CalontirDance] Kemps Jeg
>
> How much longer must we play, we don't really have all day;We
> musicians want more pay, End This Dance!Can't you tell that we are
> bored, though we have your cash, Good Lord,6 more times you can't
> afford, End This DanceViolinist's fingers bleed, Rackett player splits
> his reed,Grief unending we don't need, Up The Fee!Dancers now have
> their second wind, kindly me your bare bodkin lend,Mercy will this
> hell never end?, End This Dance.Judging by that, Musicians are
> completely bribable.I don't have this music in my packet.. Is it
> something common, or is it something that I could notate in Finale to
> be at all helpful? If it is available, I would love a copy for our
> local group.Sauer, Michael F. wrote:>> Kemps Jeg>> This was a fun new
> dance and we made it work ok last night but is very > much a work in
> progress. To move it forward I offer the following.> Please forward to
> any who you think might be interested who are not on > this list -
> especially any who participated last night,>> First of all the music
> listed is 16 bars. This is for one repeat of a > single man's pass. It
> repeats 3 times for each man in each verse (9 > times overall).> Thsts
> 27 repeats for the entire dance - we may have to bribe the > musicians
> to play it :)>> Verse 1>> (8) One man lead in two women forwards and
> back twice. - Exactly as > was done - though I'm not sure if the man
> should be leading towards > one of the other man (i.e. the 'taunting')
> If the active man leads > toward the inactive lady you have a line of
> 3 facing 3 - opposite > genders facing. It also means he will be more
> oriented toward the > woman he will turn at the end. There is no
> direct indication in > playford so this is just conjecture either
> way.> (2) Honor to one - first man honor one woman {partner?]}> (2)
> Honor the other - first man honor other woman [of the 2 he lead in >
> with] {contrary}> (4) Turn the third - Exactly as done>> The next
> phrase indicates how the progression works>> (8) Lead your own with
> you left hand and the woman you turned,>> This indicates that women 1
> and 3 are active for the second repeat and > tha active man's partner
> is on the left (she was> on the right for the first pass).>> It also
> follows that as your are turning the third woman, you keep > holding
> right hands as you come out of the turn and> will be standing in front
> of the third man (facing away from him)>> (8) and as much - this will
> leave the active man in front of the > second man, with the third lady
> on his left and second lady oh his right.> {this leaves the men
> progressing around the set counter clock wise}>> (16) Then as much
> with the other two women, turning your own - > finishes off the first
> man's cycle ending with his own partner.>> (48) The next man as much>>
> (48) Then the third man as much>> Verse 2>> This verse is a little
> less clear, it think we almost got it right.>> (8) First man lead the
> women as before - to me this sounds like the > full up and back twice
> from the first verse> (4) Turn half around, holding both hands, and
> with his own as much to > the other - this is not very clear. The>
> 'and with his own as much to the other' to me implies 2 moves. At >
> first I thought about two hand half turns first with> partner then
> woman 2. But a half turn with his partner does not put > the man in a
> position to half turn woman 2.> The other possibility that comes to
> mind is 2 half turns in a circle, > each taking 2 measures. This
> leaves both> ladies in their original positions and the first man
> facing the third > lady for he turn. Again the 'and with his own> as
> much to the other' phrase seem to indicate first you circle to the >
> right then to the left (i.e. toward your own, then> to the other.)
> Though this really doesn't matter.>> (4) Turn the third woman - just
> like the first verse> (32) Do thus all to the rest following> (96) and
> doing the like>> Verse 3>> This was essentially completely correct. I
> very much like giving the > women the option of which way to turn and
> Tsire's suggestion that the > women place their outside hand on their
> outside hip and the man's > hands cross behind the women.>> (4) First
> man take the Women as before by the contrary hands behind, > then lead
> them forwards and back. - if we take this as just a single > up and
> back this leaves 12 counts for the rest> (4) Pull one half about and
> kiss her - this sounds like the woman > doing a half turn than a
> quarter, and ending up close to directly in > front of the active
> man>> W2 M1 W1>> W1> W2 M1>> Its would also mean that if the woman
> wants to turn the other way the > turn would be the same distance {in
> keeping with the pattern of the> other verses I would suggest the man
> should turn his partner first}> (4) as much with the other woman> (4)
> turn the third>> This might make the half turn and kiss a bit long
> (each as long as a > double up and back).> An alternative to this
> might be>> (8) Double up and back twice (just like in the other
> verses)> (2) Pull one half about and kiss her> (2) as much with the
> other woman> (4) turn the third>> This gives a completely parallel
> structure to the 3 verses and not > having a very lingering kiss
> phrase>> Those are my thoughts so have at it :)>> Conrad>> [Non-text
> portions of this message have been removed]>> -- //
> Merry----------"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder LutreShire of Standing
> Stones, University of Missouri at ColumbiaFormerly known as Philippe
> Sebastian LeLutreMundanely known as Christian M.
> Cepelhttp://Thistledowne.org/ <Cepelhttp://Thistledowne.org/>
> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/
> <http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/>'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized
> Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' +
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> have been removed]
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Can you find the hidden words?  Take a break and play Seekadoo!
> http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink
> <http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink>
>
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>

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




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I won't hit you with Kemp's tonight because I'm not satisfied with the
reconstruction yet. We're still doing the group kibbutz-what-if-a-thon on it.
Once it settles down into and becomes smooth, I'll be sure to include it in my
English for 6 classes.

I'm not sure if I'm the one who said that about Hole in the Wall since I usually
treat that dance like a plague infested commoner. But I could take a look at it
for laughs.

TsireTo: CalontirDance@...:
Merry@...: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:40:21 -0500Subject:
Re: [CalontirDance] Kemps Jeg

That'd be great. Will you be teaching this one tonight?I think there was a time
that you said you could demonstrate how the lyric I just included really does
fit the meter of Hole in the Wall :) I'm still hoping to hear it done as thought
I think I've come close a few times, I never can get through it w/o having to
cram a syllable or two here and there.Thanks!






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What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
priority/most useful on down.

So far the list that has been recommended to me is

o      Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html

§       Album I - Musica Subterranea

§       Album II -- Cornucopia

§       Album III -- Incantare

o      DragonScale Consort - http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm


I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want to
buy to pay the artist(s) (and  be legal and ethical), and well.... they
have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality and
over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
compressed, ad nauseum.  Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags filled.


How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing?  Which titles?

Any others?

Thanks!

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Letter of Dance has a wonderful list of 12 most usefull dance cds:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/twelve_cds.html

My personal list -in order- includes: 1) the 3 Music Subterranea cds you
have listed  2) the 3 Tape of Dance cds (available
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html)  3) Dragon Scale 4) NewYork
Renaissance Band "Country Capers" and "Arbeau's Orchesographie" 5) Dances
from the Inns of Court

HL Rowan Houndskeeper
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
rowan@...

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx




-----Original Message-----
From: 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <Merry@...>
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:30:26 -0500
Subject: [CalontirDance] Recommended Dance Music CDs?


What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
priority/most useful on down.

So far the list that has been recommended to me is

o      Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html

§       Album I - Musica Subterranea

§       Album II -- Cornucopia

§       Album III -- Incantare

o      DragonScale Consort - http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm


I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want to
buy to pay the artist(s) (and  be legal and ethical), and well.... they
have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality and
over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
compressed, ad nauseum.  Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags filled.


How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing?  Which titles?

Any others?

Thanks!

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




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Yahoo! Groups Links





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A long, lost voice of Calontir (and editor of the Letter of Dance) speaks
up:

I like all of Rowan's suggestions.

I believe that the NYRB disks are out of print, though, so a good second
choice for Arbeau is the Incomplete Arbeau, also available from Eric
Praetzel at the link below.

I also highly recommend Mesura et Arte del Danzare, which can be had on
iTunes (although is out of print), if you are at all interested in 15th
century Italiand dance.  It is the best music out there--high quality and
very danceable.

Wolgemut's cds are wonderful for listening and variously good for dancing
too.  If I could only have one it would be Tempus Saltandi, which has lots
of Branles on it, but be aware that not all of the repeat structures exactly
fit the reconstructions being commonly done in the SCA here in the states.

16th century music can be harder--you'll find some of the favorites on the
Musica Subterranea cds, but if you're looking to branch out there is a great
disk called "Il Ballarino" which is probably now out of print, and another
called "Homage to Amour" which can only be obtained as a tape right now
(called, colloquially, the Pink Tape).

I heartily support your effort to get *legitimate* copies of all of your
dance music.  I think this is something that everyone in the SCA needs to be
respectful and sensitive of.  If we don't support our musicians (especially
the commercial ones) by buying their music, why would they bother to produce
more of it??

Best of luck!
Katherine


On 10/11/07, Rowan <rowan@...> wrote:
>
>   Letter of Dance has a wonderful list of 12 most usefull dance cds:
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/twelve_cds.html
>
> My personal list -in order- includes: 1) the 3 Music Subterranea cds you
> have listed 2) the 3 Tape of Dance cds (available
> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html) 3) Dragon Scale 4)
> NewYork
> Renaissance Band "Country Capers" and "Arbeau's Orchesographie" 5) Dances
> from the Inns of Court
>
> HL Rowan Houndskeeper
> Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
> rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net>
>
> "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
<Merry@...<Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
> >
> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com <CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:30:26 -0500
> Subject: [CalontirDance] Recommended Dance Music CDs?
>
> What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
> priority/most useful on down.
>
> So far the list that has been recommended to me is
>
> o Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html
>
> § Album I - Musica Subterranea
>
> § Album II -- Cornucopia
>
> § Album III -- Incantare
>
> o DragonScale Consort - http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm
>
> I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want to
> buy to pay the artist(s) (and be legal and ethical), and well.... they
> have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
> much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality and
> over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
> considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
> being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
> compressed, ad nauseum. Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags filled.
>
> How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing? Which titles?
>
> Any others?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>
> // Merry
>
> ----------
> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/>
> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>
> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Catherine E. Dean
Historically Inspired Designs
Handmade Jewelry for History Buffs
http://historicallyinspired.googlepages.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you and Rowan both.

Do we have good music for Dutchess Rosalynd's Pavane?  I bought Toota
Lute on iTunes but I hate computer generated music (I've been nearly
killed by electronic Uilleann Pipes in the 'get all zenlike' display
near the candles in Walmart.... it's JUST WRONG).

If we do I'd like to see if I could get a group of musicians together at
some dance event and see if we can record several takes of it onto a
multi-track media for later mixdown.... I'd bring a mixing board and
some Audio Technica 6100s or similar and we could make a real recording
session of it.  I've never done mixdown as I've always been a live sound
engineer but I expect there is someone in this varied group who has.

There may be a few other tunes like this as well that 'need redoin'.

   // Merry

Catherine Dean wrote:
> A long, lost voice of Calontir (and editor of the Letter of Dance) speaks
> up:
>
> I like all of Rowan's suggestions.
>
> I believe that the NYRB disks are out of print, though, so a good second
> choice for Arbeau is the Incomplete Arbeau, also available from Eric
> Praetzel at the link below.
>
> I also highly recommend Mesura et Arte del Danzare, which can be had on
> iTunes (although is out of print), if you are at all interested in 15th
> century Italiand dance.  It is the best music out there--high quality and
> very danceable.
>
> Wolgemut's cds are wonderful for listening and variously good for dancing
> too.  If I could only have one it would be Tempus Saltandi, which has lots
> of Branles on it, but be aware that not all of the repeat structures exactly
> fit the reconstructions being commonly done in the SCA here in the states.
>
> 16th century music can be harder--you'll find some of the favorites on the
> Musica Subterranea cds, but if you're looking to branch out there is a great
> disk called "Il Ballarino" which is probably now out of print, and another
> called "Homage to Amour" which can only be obtained as a tape right now
> (called, colloquially, the Pink Tape).
>
> I heartily support your effort to get *legitimate* copies of all of your
> dance music.  I think this is something that everyone in the SCA needs to be
> respectful and sensitive of.  If we don't support our musicians (especially
> the commercial ones) by buying their music, why would they bother to produce
> more of it??
>
> Best of luck!
> Katherine
>
>
> On 10/11/07, Rowan <rowan@...> wrote:
>
>>   Letter of Dance has a wonderful list of 12 most usefull dance cds:
>> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/twelve_cds.html
>>
>> My personal list -in order- includes: 1) the 3 Music Subterranea cds you
>> have listed 2) the 3 Tape of Dance cds (available
>> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html) 3) Dragon Scale 4)
>> NewYork
>> Renaissance Band "Country Capers" and "Arbeau's Orchesographie" 5) Dances
>> from the Inns of Court
>>
>> HL Rowan Houndskeeper
>> Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
>> rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net>
>>
>> "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
>> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
<Merry@...<Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
>>
>> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com <CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:30:26 -0500
>> Subject: [CalontirDance] Recommended Dance Music CDs?
>>
>> What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
>> priority/most useful on down.
>>
>> So far the list that has been recommended to me is
>>
>> o Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html
>>
>> § Album I - Musica Subterranea
>>
>> § Album II -- Cornucopia
>>
>> § Album III -- Incantare
>>
>> o DragonScale Consort - http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm
>>
>> I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want to
>> buy to pay the artist(s) (and be legal and ethical), and well.... they
>> have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
>> much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality and
>> over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
>> considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
>> being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
>> compressed, ad nauseum. Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags filled.
>>
>> How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing? Which titles?
>>
>> Any others?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>>
>> // Merry
>>
>> ----------
>> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
>> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
>> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
>> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
>> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/>
>> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>>
>> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
>> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The dance was choreographed to Toota Lute, so no I don't know of any other
music that works with DRP

(from Eric's page):

The usual tune for this dance is "Toota Lute" on Mannheim Steamrollers'
"Fresh Aire II".
According to the proceedings of the Ansteorran Kingdom Dance Workshop
(1990), Duchess Rondallynn's Pavan was choreographed by Rhonda Johnson and
Denny Psalia of Atlanta, Georgia.

http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Eric/DuchessRondallynnP.txt

me again:

Be aware that this dance is a modern choerography, and one that (apologies
to Rhonda and Denny) has not stood the test of time as a particularly
authentic one, at least as I have seen it taught and danced--these things do
change over time (just ask Signy on SCA Dance about the Turkish Branle, now
more commonly called the SCA Maltese Branle).  I think a LOT of musicians
shy away from rerecording modern music for "period" style modern
choreographies not only because it is questionable how well they fit within
our mission as an organization but also because the music is almost
certainly protected by copyright and cannot be recorded freely as a period
tune can.

Just my two cents.

Katherine


On 10/11/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
Merry@...> wrote:
>
>   Thank you and Rowan both.
>
> Do we have good music for Dutchess Rosalynd's Pavane? I bought Toota
> Lute on iTunes but I hate computer generated music (I've been nearly
> killed by electronic Uilleann Pipes in the 'get all zenlike' display
> near the candles in Walmart.... it's JUST WRONG).
>
> If we do I'd like to see if I could get a group of musicians together at
> some dance event and see if we can record several takes of it onto a
> multi-track media for later mixdown.... I'd bring a mixing board and
> some Audio Technica 6100s or similar and we could make a real recording
> session of it. I've never done mixdown as I've always been a live sound
> engineer but I expect there is someone in this varied group who has.
>
> There may be a few other tunes like this as well that 'need redoin'.
>
> // Merry
>
> Catherine Dean wrote:
> > A long, lost voice of Calontir (and editor of the Letter of Dance)
> speaks
> > up:
> >
> > I like all of Rowan's suggestions.
> >
> > I believe that the NYRB disks are out of print, though, so a good second
> > choice for Arbeau is the Incomplete Arbeau, also available from Eric
> > Praetzel at the link below.
> >
> > I also highly recommend Mesura et Arte del Danzare, which can be had on
> > iTunes (although is out of print), if you are at all interested in 15th
> > century Italiand dance. It is the best music out there--high quality and
> > very danceable.
> >
> > Wolgemut's cds are wonderful for listening and variously good for
> dancing
> > too. If I could only have one it would be Tempus Saltandi, which has
> lots
> > of Branles on it, but be aware that not all of the repeat structures
> exactly
> > fit the reconstructions being commonly done in the SCA here in the
> states.
> >
> > 16th century music can be harder--you'll find some of the favorites on
> the
> > Musica Subterranea cds, but if you're looking to branch out there is a
> great
> > disk called "Il Ballarino" which is probably now out of print, and
> another
> > called "Homage to Amour" which can only be obtained as a tape right now
> > (called, colloquially, the Pink Tape).
> >
> > I heartily support your effort to get *legitimate* copies of all of your
> > dance music. I think this is something that everyone in the SCA needs to
> be
> > respectful and sensitive of. If we don't support our musicians
> (especially
> > the commercial ones) by buying their music, why would they bother to
> produce
> > more of it??
> >
> > Best of luck!
> > Katherine
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/07, Rowan <rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Letter of Dance has a wonderful list of 12 most usefull dance cds:
> >> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/twelve_cds.html
> >>
> >> My personal list -in order- includes: 1) the 3 Music Subterranea cds
> you
> >> have listed 2) the 3 Tape of Dance cds (available
> >> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html) 3) Dragon Scale 4)
> >> NewYork
> >> Renaissance Band "Country Capers" and "Arbeau's Orchesographie" 5)
> Dances
> >> from the Inns of Court
> >>
> >> HL Rowan Houndskeeper
> >> Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
> >> rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net> <rowan%40french.
> toast.net>
> >>
> >> "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
> >> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
<Merry@...<Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
> <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
> >>
> >> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
<CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com><CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:30:26 -0500
> >> Subject: [CalontirDance] Recommended Dance Music CDs?
> >>
> >> What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
> >> priority/most useful on down.
> >>
> >> So far the list that has been recommended to me is
> >>
> >> o Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html
> >>
> >> § Album I - Musica Subterranea
> >>
> >> § Album II -- Cornucopia
> >>
> >> § Album III -- Incantare
> >>
> >> o DragonScale Consort - http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm
> >>
> >> I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want to
> >> buy to pay the artist(s) (and be legal and ethical), and well.... they
> >> have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
> >> much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality and
> >> over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
> >> considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
> >> being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
> >> compressed, ad nauseum. Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags
> filled.
> >>
> >> How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing? Which titles?
> >>
> >> Any others?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> // Merry
> >>
> >> ----------
> >> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
> >> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
> >> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
> >> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
> >> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/> <
> http://thistledowne.org/>
> >> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/> <
> http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
> >>
> >> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
> >> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> // Merry
>
> ----------
> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/>
> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>
> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Catherine E. Dean
Historically Inspired Designs
Handmade Jewelry for History Buffs
http://historicallyinspired.googlepages.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I agree with all you've said and as I said... I already bought that
track off of Itunes.....  but here's the thing.. I really like it and if
there were enough others out there who liked it as well and we had a
decent arrangement, I'd very much like to record it _not_ using a
computer as Mannheim Steamroller did.    But it was also just an
example.  I know there are other tunes out there that are period that we
perhaps lack instrumental recordings and have only a midi type recording
for use at dance practices... Tsire played one for us in Jefferson
City.  It made my ears bleed but it was a fun dance.  I hate comp music.

Catherine Dean wrote:
> The dance was choreographed to Toota Lute, so no I don't know of any other
> music that works with DRP
>
> (from Eric's page):
>
> The usual tune for this dance is "Toota Lute" on Mannheim Steamrollers'
> "Fresh Aire II".
> According to the proceedings of the Ansteorran Kingdom Dance Workshop
> (1990), Duchess Rondallynn's Pavan was choreographed by Rhonda Johnson and
> Denny Psalia of Atlanta, Georgia.
>
> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Eric/DuchessRondallynnP.txt
>
> me again:
>
> Be aware that this dance is a modern choerography, and one that (apologies
> to Rhonda and Denny) has not stood the test of time as a particularly
> authentic one, at least as I have seen it taught and danced--these things do
> change over time (just ask Signy on SCA Dance about the Turkish Branle, now
> more commonly called the SCA Maltese Branle).  I think a LOT of musicians
> shy away from rerecording modern music for "period" style modern
> choreographies not only because it is questionable how well they fit within
> our mission as an organization but also because the music is almost
> certainly protected by copyright and cannot be recorded freely as a period
> tune can.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Katherine
>
>
> On 10/11/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
> Merry@...> wrote:
>
>>   Thank you and Rowan both.
>>
>> Do we have good music for Dutchess Rosalynd's Pavane? I bought Toota
>> Lute on iTunes but I hate computer generated music (I've been nearly
>> killed by electronic Uilleann Pipes in the 'get all zenlike' display
>> near the candles in Walmart.... it's JUST WRONG).
>>
>> If we do I'd like to see if I could get a group of musicians together at
>> some dance event and see if we can record several takes of it onto a
>> multi-track media for later mixdown.... I'd bring a mixing board and
>> some Audio Technica 6100s or similar and we could make a real recording
>> session of it. I've never done mixdown as I've always been a live sound
>> engineer but I expect there is someone in this varied group who has.
>>
>> There may be a few other tunes like this as well that 'need redoin'.
>>
>> // Merry
>>
>> Catherine Dean wrote:
>>
>>> A long, lost voice of Calontir (and editor of the Letter of Dance)
>>>
>> speaks
>>
>>> up:
>>>
>>> I like all of Rowan's suggestions.
>>>
>>> I believe that the NYRB disks are out of print, though, so a good second
>>> choice for Arbeau is the Incomplete Arbeau, also available from Eric
>>> Praetzel at the link below.
>>>
>>> I also highly recommend Mesura et Arte del Danzare, which can be had on
>>> iTunes (although is out of print), if you are at all interested in 15th
>>> century Italiand dance. It is the best music out there--high quality and
>>> very danceable.
>>>
>>> Wolgemut's cds are wonderful for listening and variously good for
>>>
>> dancing
>>
>>> too. If I could only have one it would be Tempus Saltandi, which has
>>>
>> lots
>>
>>> of Branles on it, but be aware that not all of the repeat structures
>>>
>> exactly
>>
>>> fit the reconstructions being commonly done in the SCA here in the
>>>
>> states.
>>
>>> 16th century music can be harder--you'll find some of the favorites on
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> Musica Subterranea cds, but if you're looking to branch out there is a
>>>
>> great
>>
>>> disk called "Il Ballarino" which is probably now out of print, and
>>>
>> another
>>
>>> called "Homage to Amour" which can only be obtained as a tape right now
>>> (called, colloquially, the Pink Tape).
>>>
>>> I heartily support your effort to get *legitimate* copies of all of your
>>> dance music. I think this is something that everyone in the SCA needs to
>>>
>> be
>>
>>> respectful and sensitive of. If we don't support our musicians
>>>
>> (especially
>>
>>> the commercial ones) by buying their music, why would they bother to
>>>
>> produce
>>
>>> more of it??
>>>
>>> Best of luck!
>>> Katherine
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/11/07, Rowan <rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net>>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Letter of Dance has a wonderful list of 12 most usefull dance cds:
>>>> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/twelve_cds.html
>>>>
>>>> My personal list -in order- includes: 1) the 3 Music Subterranea cds
>>>>
>> you
>>
>>>> have listed 2) the 3 Tape of Dance cds (available
>>>> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html) 3) Dragon Scale 4)
>>>> NewYork
>>>> Renaissance Band "Country Capers" and "Arbeau's Orchesographie" 5)
>>>>
>> Dances
>>
>>>> from the Inns of Court
>>>>
>>>> HL Rowan Houndskeeper
>>>> Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
>>>> rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net> <rowan%40french.
>>>>
>> toast.net>
>>
>>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
>>>> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
<Merry@...<Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
>>>>
>> <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
>>
>>>> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
<CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com><CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:30:26 -0500
>>>> Subject: [CalontirDance] Recommended Dance Music CDs?
>>>>
>>>> What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
>>>> priority/most useful on down.
>>>>
>>>> So far the list that has been recommended to me is
>>>>
>>>> o Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html
>>>>
>>>> § Album I - Musica Subterranea
>>>>
>>>> § Album II -- Cornucopia
>>>>
>>>> § Album III -- Incantare
>>>>
>>>> o DragonScale Consort - http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm
>>>>
>>>> I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want to
>>>> buy to pay the artist(s) (and be legal and ethical), and well.... they
>>>> have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
>>>> much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality and
>>>> over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
>>>> considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
>>>> being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
>>>> compressed, ad nauseum. Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags
>>>>
>> filled.
>>
>>>> How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing? Which titles?
>>>>
>>>> Any others?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> // Merry
>>>>
>>>> ----------
>>>> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
>>>> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
>>>> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
>>>> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
>>>> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/> <
>>>>
>> http://thistledowne.org/>
>>
>>>> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/> <
>>>>
>> http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>>
>>>> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
>>>> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> // Merry
>>
>> ----------
>> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
>> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
>> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
>> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
>> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/>
>> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>>
>> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
>> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Merry,

Part of my point was that you may not legally be able to record a new
version of that tune--I assume it is protected by copyright by Mannheim
Steamroller and that some sort of royalty would need to be paid.

You could try dancing it to another tune in six, though, if you
want (LaVolta might work, although I'm not sure about the repeat structure).

I'm totally in favor of more instrumental recordings of period music.  It's
even better if you're willing to freely distribute them!  (I know some
musicians who do this for hard to find tracks and it's a great service to
the dance community).

K



On 10/11/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
Merry@...> wrote:
>
>   I agree with all you've said and as I said... I already bought that
> track off of Itunes..... but here's the thing.. I really like it and if
> there were enough others out there who liked it as well and we had a
> decent arrangement, I'd very much like to record it _not_ using a
> computer as Mannheim Steamroller did. But it was also just an
> example. I know there are other tunes out there that are period that we
> perhaps lack instrumental recordings and have only a midi type recording
> for use at dance practices... Tsire played one for us in Jefferson
> City. It made my ears bleed but it was a fun dance. I hate comp music.
>
> Catherine Dean wrote:
> > The dance was choreographed to Toota Lute, so no I don't know of any
> other
> > music that works with DRP
> >
> > (from Eric's page):
> >
> > The usual tune for this dance is "Toota Lute" on Mannheim Steamrollers'
> > "Fresh Aire II".
> > According to the proceedings of the Ansteorran Kingdom Dance Workshop
> > (1990), Duchess Rondallynn's Pavan was choreographed by Rhonda Johnson
> and
> > Denny Psalia of Atlanta, Georgia.
> >
> > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Eric/DuchessRondallynnP.txt
> >
> > me again:
> >
> > Be aware that this dance is a modern choerography, and one that
> (apologies
> > to Rhonda and Denny) has not stood the test of time as a particularly
> > authentic one, at least as I have seen it taught and danced--these
> things do
> > change over time (just ask Signy on SCA Dance about the Turkish Branle,
> now
> > more commonly called the SCA Maltese Branle). I think a LOT of musicians
> > shy away from rerecording modern music for "period" style modern
> > choreographies not only because it is questionable how well they fit
> within
> > our mission as an organization but also because the music is almost
> > certainly protected by copyright and cannot be recorded freely as a
> period
> > tune can.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > Katherine
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
> > Merry@... <Merry%40shireofstandingstones.org>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you and Rowan both.
> >>
> >> Do we have good music for Dutchess Rosalynd's Pavane? I bought Toota
> >> Lute on iTunes but I hate computer generated music (I've been nearly
> >> killed by electronic Uilleann Pipes in the 'get all zenlike' display
> >> near the candles in Walmart.... it's JUST WRONG).
> >>
> >> If we do I'd like to see if I could get a group of musicians together
> at
> >> some dance event and see if we can record several takes of it onto a
> >> multi-track media for later mixdown.... I'd bring a mixing board and
> >> some Audio Technica 6100s or similar and we could make a real recording
> >> session of it. I've never done mixdown as I've always been a live sound
> >> engineer but I expect there is someone in this varied group who has.
> >>
> >> There may be a few other tunes like this as well that 'need redoin'.
> >>
> >> // Merry
> >>
> >> Catherine Dean wrote:
> >>
> >>> A long, lost voice of Calontir (and editor of the Letter of Dance)
> >>>
> >> speaks
> >>
> >>> up:
> >>>
> >>> I like all of Rowan's suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> I believe that the NYRB disks are out of print, though, so a good
> second
> >>> choice for Arbeau is the Incomplete Arbeau, also available from Eric
> >>> Praetzel at the link below.
> >>>
> >>> I also highly recommend Mesura et Arte del Danzare, which can be had
> on
> >>> iTunes (although is out of print), if you are at all interested in
> 15th
> >>> century Italiand dance. It is the best music out there--high quality
> and
> >>> very danceable.
> >>>
> >>> Wolgemut's cds are wonderful for listening and variously good for
> >>>
> >> dancing
> >>
> >>> too. If I could only have one it would be Tempus Saltandi, which has
> >>>
> >> lots
> >>
> >>> of Branles on it, but be aware that not all of the repeat structures
> >>>
> >> exactly
> >>
> >>> fit the reconstructions being commonly done in the SCA here in the
> >>>
> >> states.
> >>
> >>> 16th century music can be harder--you'll find some of the favorites on
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> Musica Subterranea cds, but if you're looking to branch out there is a
> >>>
> >> great
> >>
> >>> disk called "Il Ballarino" which is probably now out of print, and
> >>>
> >> another
> >>
> >>> called "Homage to Amour" which can only be obtained as a tape right
> now
> >>> (called, colloquially, the Pink Tape).
> >>>
> >>> I heartily support your effort to get *legitimate* copies of all of
> your
> >>> dance music. I think this is something that everyone in the SCA needs
> to
> >>>
> >> be
> >>
> >>> respectful and sensitive of. If we don't support our musicians
> >>>
> >> (especially
> >>
> >>> the commercial ones) by buying their music, why would they bother to
> >>>
> >> produce
> >>
> >>> more of it??
> >>>
> >>> Best of luck!
> >>> Katherine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/11/07, Rowan <rowan@...
<rowan%40french.toast.net><rowan%40french.
> toast.net>>
> >>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Letter of Dance has a wonderful list of 12 most usefull dance cds:
> >>>> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/twelve_cds.html
> >>>>
> >>>> My personal list -in order- includes: 1) the 3 Music Subterranea cds
> >>>>
> >> you
> >>
> >>>> have listed 2) the 3 Tape of Dance cds (available
> >>>> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html) 3) Dragon Scale 4)
> >>>> NewYork
> >>>> Renaissance Band "Country Capers" and "Arbeau's Orchesographie" 5)
> >>>>
> >> Dances
> >>
> >>>> from the Inns of Court
> >>>>
> >>>> HL Rowan Houndskeeper
> >>>> Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
> >>>> rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net> <rowan%40french.
> toast.net> <rowan%40french.
> >>>>
> >> toast.net>
> >>
> >>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
> >>>> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
> Merry@... <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
> <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
> >>>>
> >> <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
> >>
> >>>> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
<CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com><CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com><CalontirDance\
%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:30:26 -0500
> >>>> Subject: [CalontirDance] Recommended Dance Music CDs?
> >>>>
> >>>> What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
> >>>> priority/most useful on down.
> >>>>
> >>>> So far the list that has been recommended to me is
> >>>>
> >>>> o Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html
> >>>>
> >>>> § Album I - Musica Subterranea
> >>>>
> >>>> § Album II -- Cornucopia
> >>>>
> >>>> § Album III -- Incantare
> >>>>
> >>>> o DragonScale Consort -
> http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want
> to
> >>>> buy to pay the artist(s) (and be legal and ethical), and well....
> they
> >>>> have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
> >>>> much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality
> and
> >>>> over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
> >>>> considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
> >>>> being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
> >>>> compressed, ad nauseum. Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags
> >>>>
> >> filled.
> >>
> >>>> How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing? Which titles?
> >>>>
> >>>> Any others?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> // Merry
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------
> >>>> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
> >>>> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
> >>>> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
> >>>> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
> >>>> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/> <
> http://thistledowne.org/> <
> >>>>
> >> http://thistledowne.org/>
> >>
> >>>> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/><
> http://shireofstandingstones.org/> <
> >>>>
> >> http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
> >>
> >>>> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
> >>>> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
> >>>>
> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >>
> >> // Merry
> >>
> >> ----------
> >> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
> >> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
> >> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
> >> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
> >> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/> <
> http://thistledowne.org/>
> >> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/> <
> http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
> >>
> >> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
> >> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> // Merry
>
> ----------
> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/>
> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>
> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Catherine E. Dean
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Oh I've never done the dance :) It's the music I like :)

And yes.  If I can get people of like mind together to record I would
absolutely distribute them CCL off a website.

Better than doing sessions with mixdown would be to do each instrument
at a time so there's no cross-talk and no having to start a whole new
take if one person messes up if going for perfection.  I guess doing
that, I could even do arrangements here at home, but I have not the
creative orchestration ability that the Subterranea folks do...  I love
what they do (I think it's them... like I say.. there are no ID2/3 tags
on my Mp3s).  By instrumentation, I mean I've never been very good at
assigning parts and deciding what would make a good intro instrument(s)
to build onto, when to tutti, when to feature, when to flat out solo,
etc.   Yes.. those are the basics... but I am really flabbergasted at
people who can write creative counterpoint and harmonizations for a
particular instrument's strengths to create a marvelous sound.

I could put down tracks on my own from SATB recorder, mandolin,
rudimentary percussion (I plan to have cheapie bodhran and hopefully a
not-so cheapie dum-bek in the near future), and very likely hammered
dulcimer (I just have to put the soundboard on, trim it, lay down bridge
rails, cut bridges and then sink the zither pins and string and I"m
ready to go).

If Her Grace Aislin would consent we'd have Cello.

I may have a go at making a crumhorn or cornemuse over the winter after
I see if I can build a recorder body for my wife's clarinet mouthpiece.
While she's welcome in some music pits, others have said no and I'm
hoping I can create a hybrid that is more acceptable.  I've looked over
some of the DIY Crumhorn & Cornemuse plans and I'm wondering if I can
adapt a practice chanter reed for GHB for a nice rich tone.  I'm used to
making these types of PVC instruments.  If I get a PVC version going I
may attempt to do two crumhorn halves joined together method out of
wood.   Sometime along the way I'm going to ask Kaz if he'd be willing
to guide a student remotely through making a rebec.  I'm actually
looking forward to winter now that I am getting an inside workroom
back.  (Huzza!!!!)

I could probably borrow an Allen & Heath Mixwizard (16 channels) and
pretty much any Audio Technica mics we'd want (no 57s and 58s unless
someone just insists).  I'd probably have to resort to borrowing an ADat
(our company doesn't have one) :(  I'd love someday to have a multiple
digital input device for a laptop.... something a little more modern and
smaller than the rack mounted Layla type units (got to play with one for
a while... it was a treat, but primitive))

Speaking of 57s.  We were surprised when President Clinton spoke at the
state capital and his sound staff asked for only two 57s on a
gang-mount.  When Cheney came through in 2004 for a Q&A we talked his
guys into letting us use Audio Technica wired and wireless mics (usually
they won't touch wireless...  too ripe for sabotage).  They liked them
so much the campaign placed an order for 12 three days later :)


Catherine Dean wrote:
> Hi Merry,
>
> Part of my point was that you may not legally be able to record a new
> version of that tune--I assume it is protected by copyright by Mannheim
> Steamroller and that some sort of royalty would need to be paid.
>
> You could try dancing it to another tune in six, though, if you
> want (LaVolta might work, although I'm not sure about the repeat structure).
>
> I'm totally in favor of more instrumental recordings of period music.  It's
> even better if you're willing to freely distribute them!  (I know some
> musicians who do this for hard to find tracks and it's a great service to
> the dance community).
>
> K
>
>
>
> On 10/11/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
> Merry@...> wrote:
>
>>   I agree with all you've said and as I said... I already bought that
>> track off of Itunes..... but here's the thing.. I really like it and if
>> there were enough others out there who liked it as well and we had a
>> decent arrangement, I'd very much like to record it _not_ using a
>> computer as Mannheim Steamroller did. But it was also just an
>> example. I know there are other tunes out there that are period that we
>> perhaps lack instrumental recordings and have only a midi type recording
>> for use at dance practices... Tsire played one for us in Jefferson
>> City. It made my ears bleed but it was a fun dance. I hate comp music.
>>
>> Catherine Dean wrote:
>>
>>> The dance was choreographed to Toota Lute, so no I don't know of any
>>>
>> other
>>
>>> music that works with DRP
>>>
>>> (from Eric's page):
>>>
>>> The usual tune for this dance is "Toota Lute" on Mannheim Steamrollers'
>>> "Fresh Aire II".
>>> According to the proceedings of the Ansteorran Kingdom Dance Workshop
>>> (1990), Duchess Rondallynn's Pavan was choreographed by Rhonda Johnson
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> Denny Psalia of Atlanta, Georgia.
>>>
>>> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Eric/DuchessRondallynnP.txt
>>>
>>> me again:
>>>
>>> Be aware that this dance is a modern choerography, and one that
>>>
>> (apologies
>>
>>> to Rhonda and Denny) has not stood the test of time as a particularly
>>> authentic one, at least as I have seen it taught and danced--these
>>>
>> things do
>>
>>> change over time (just ask Signy on SCA Dance about the Turkish Branle,
>>>
>> now
>>
>>> more commonly called the SCA Maltese Branle). I think a LOT of musicians
>>> shy away from rerecording modern music for "period" style modern
>>> choreographies not only because it is questionable how well they fit
>>>
>> within
>>
>>> our mission as an organization but also because the music is almost
>>> certainly protected by copyright and cannot be recorded freely as a
>>>
>> period
>>
>>> tune can.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents.
>>>
>>> Katherine
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/11/07, 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
>>> Merry@... <Merry%40shireofstandingstones.org>>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Thank you and Rowan both.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have good music for Dutchess Rosalynd's Pavane? I bought Toota
>>>> Lute on iTunes but I hate computer generated music (I've been nearly
>>>> killed by electronic Uilleann Pipes in the 'get all zenlike' display
>>>> near the candles in Walmart.... it's JUST WRONG).
>>>>
>>>> If we do I'd like to see if I could get a group of musicians together
>>>>
>> at
>>
>>>> some dance event and see if we can record several takes of it onto a
>>>> multi-track media for later mixdown.... I'd bring a mixing board and
>>>> some Audio Technica 6100s or similar and we could make a real recording
>>>> session of it. I've never done mixdown as I've always been a live sound
>>>> engineer but I expect there is someone in this varied group who has.
>>>>
>>>> There may be a few other tunes like this as well that 'need redoin'.
>>>>
>>>> // Merry
>>>>
>>>> Catherine Dean wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A long, lost voice of Calontir (and editor of the Letter of Dance)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> speaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> up:
>>>>>
>>>>> I like all of Rowan's suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that the NYRB disks are out of print, though, so a good
>>>>>
>> second
>>
>>>>> choice for Arbeau is the Incomplete Arbeau, also available from Eric
>>>>> Praetzel at the link below.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also highly recommend Mesura et Arte del Danzare, which can be had
>>>>>
>> on
>>
>>>>> iTunes (although is out of print), if you are at all interested in
>>>>>
>> 15th
>>
>>>>> century Italiand dance. It is the best music out there--high quality
>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>> very danceable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wolgemut's cds are wonderful for listening and variously good for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> dancing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> too. If I could only have one it would be Tempus Saltandi, which has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> lots
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of Branles on it, but be aware that not all of the repeat structures
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> exactly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> fit the reconstructions being commonly done in the SCA here in the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> states.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 16th century music can be harder--you'll find some of the favorites on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Musica Subterranea cds, but if you're looking to branch out there is a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> great
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> disk called "Il Ballarino" which is probably now out of print, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> another
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> called "Homage to Amour" which can only be obtained as a tape right
>>>>>
>> now
>>
>>>>> (called, colloquially, the Pink Tape).
>>>>>
>>>>> I heartily support your effort to get *legitimate* copies of all of
>>>>>
>> your
>>
>>>>> dance music. I think this is something that everyone in the SCA needs
>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> respectful and sensitive of. If we don't support our musicians
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> (especially
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the commercial ones) by buying their music, why would they bother to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> produce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> more of it??
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck!
>>>>> Katherine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/11/07, Rowan <rowan@...
<rowan%40french.toast.net><rowan%40french.
>>>>>
>> toast.net>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Letter of Dance has a wonderful list of 12 most usefull dance cds:
>>>>>> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/twelve_cds.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My personal list -in order- includes: 1) the 3 Music Subterranea cds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> have listed 2) the 3 Tape of Dance cds (available
>>>>>> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html) 3) Dragon Scale 4)
>>>>>> NewYork
>>>>>> Renaissance Band "Country Capers" and "Arbeau's Orchesographie" 5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Dances
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> from the Inns of Court
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HL Rowan Houndskeeper
>>>>>> Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
>>>>>> rowan@... <rowan%40french.toast.net> <rowan%40french.
>>>>>>
>> toast.net> <rowan%40french.
>>
>>>> toast.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
>>>>>> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre <
>>>>>>
>> Merry@... <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
>> <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
>>
>>>> <Merry%40ShireOfStandingStones.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
<CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com><CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com><CalontirDance\
%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:30:26 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: [CalontirDance] Recommended Dance Music CDs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What CDs would you recommend one acquire, ranked in best/highest
>>>>>> priority/most useful on down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far the list that has been recommended to me is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o Musica Subterranea - http://www.musicasub.org/contents.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> § Album I - Musica Subterranea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> § Album II -- Cornucopia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> § Album III -- Incantare
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o DragonScale Consort -
>>>>>>
>> http://www.dragonscaleconsort.com/CD%20Page.htm
>>
>>>>>> I believe I have the contents of most of these CDs but I really want
>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>> buy to pay the artist(s) (and be legal and ethical), and well....
>>>>>>
>> they
>>
>>>>>> have been ripped at different normalizations, with no jitter control,
>>>>>> much contains a lot of distortion, low resolution, horrible quality
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> over compression, read-head collisions, and many of them show
>>>>>> considerable evidence of having been transcoded several times and of
>>>>>> being recorded to disk, ripped and compressed, recorded, ripped and
>>>>>> compressed, ad nauseum. Further none of them have the ID2/3 tags
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> filled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> How useful/popular is Wolgemut for dancing? Which titles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> // Merry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
>>>>>> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
>>>>>> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
>>>>>> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
>>>>>> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/> <
>>>>>>
>> http://thistledowne.org/> <
>>
>>>> http://thistledowne.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/><
>>>>>>
>> http://shireofstandingstones.org/> <
>>
>>>> http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
>>>>>> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> // Merry
>>>>
>>>> ----------
>>>> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
>>>> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
>>>> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
>>>> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
>>>> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/> <
>>>>
>> http://thistledowne.org/>
>>
>>>> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/> <
>>>>
>> http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>>
>>>> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
>>>> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> // Merry
>>
>> ----------
>> "Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
>> Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
>> Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
>> Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
>> http://Thistledowne.org/ <http://thistledowne.org/>
>> http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/ <http://shireofstandingstones.org/>
>>
>> 'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
>> pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--

     // Merry

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"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'




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Well you know that Crystal Ball is coming up Nov 17th!! Only a 15min drive
from B3R into dragon territory, plenty of crash space on site or with the
dancers/musciians here. There is always a good pit of musicaians there and
they have their own room for practice during the day.  You could bring you
equipment and record there during the day or during the ball or both.
Conna would be your best contact for the music pit - she has all the sheet
music and all.
Personally I would like to see a recording of Calontir Branle cause my
tape/cd/mp3 copys is just about toast.

SNIP-
>> If we do I'd like to see if I could get a group of musicians together at
some dance event and see if we can record several takes of it onto a
multi-track media for later mixdown.... I'd bring a mixing board and some
Audio Technica 6100s or similar and we could make a real recording session
of it. I've never done mixdown as I've always been a live sound engineer but
I expect there is someone in this varied group who has.  There may be a few
other tunes like this as well that 'need redoin'.

"But it was also just an example.  I know there are other tunes out there
that are period that we
perhaps lack instrumental recordings and have only a midi type recording for
use at dance practices...
  SNIP-


HL Rowan Houndskeeper
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
rowan@...

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx


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I expect this has been brought up before, but I stumbled across this and
it's marvelous.

http://bach.nau.edu/Agincourt/Agincourt.html

Enjoy.

--

     // Merry

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"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'

Will there be a music pit at Crown?

Pav

I second the question and make it a request.  I'll be there with all my
kit with music as my primary desire.   Plus... I'd LOVE to talk to YOU
about your rebec if you're willing.

Cheers

  // Merry

Paul A. Byers wrote:
> Will there be a music pit at Crown?
>
> Pav
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--

     // Merry

----------
"Merry" Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones, University of Missouri at Columbia
Formerly known as Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Mundanely known as Christian M. Cepel
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'

At 05:51 PM 11/1/2007, you wrote:
>I second the question and make it a request. I'll be there with all my
>kit with music as my primary desire. Plus... I'd LOVE to talk to YOU
>about your rebec if you're willing.
>Cheers

I'll be there with my rebec and a little music.  Be aware,  I am a second
fiddle/support player.  But a large and violent second fiddle/support
player. :)

If there is not a pit I will just find a spot and sit, looking hopeful.

Pav

Greetings.   Did anyone happen to pick up or have any idea what might
have happened to the Cofrin book that I bought a few days before crown
and somehow made it home without?  It's this book here:
http://www.istanpitta.com/i_025.htm

Thanks.  I'm rather badly distressed about it.

--

     // Merry

----------
'Merry' Tirloghe Mirywoder Lutre - Shire of Standing Stones
Formerly known as: Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Christian M. Cepel --- 573.999.2370 --- Columbia, MO
http://Thistledowne.org/  http://ShireOfStandingStones.org/
ICQ:12384980 YIM/AOL:Bramblethorne MSN:Merry@ShireOfS.....

'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'

April 18-20 Grimfells will be hosting March Warden.  There will be an
all day music pit in a covered stage.  So if you want to come dance
to our playing or you want to come and play with us all day make a
note on your calender now.

All musicians who don't want to camp there will be room at WrenHaven
and probably Beven's.

Merry, here is another chance to play with lots of neat folks.

Pav

Greetings Dancers of Calontir!
       Tsire asked me I wouldn't mind compiling a list of dance classes for this
years Lilies.  Therefore, I need volunteers that are A) going to be at war this
years, B) willing to teach and C) have ideas for classes they want to see (as I
am far from an expert in the field of dance).  Please let me know what you are
excited in teaching and wanting to participate in.  I can't wait to take the
classes!  Thanks.  Helena Gewolf.


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Oooh Thanks Helena!

I'll do a Cascarde class and a Balli class for sure. They'll have to be Thurs AM
or later since I'm not getting to the war till Wednesday afternoon.

Helena - how many class slots do you have to open right now?


To: CalontirDance@...: kell100312@...: Mon, 4 Feb 2008
19:23:45 -0800Subject: [CalontirDance] Lilies War!




Greetings Dancers of Calontir!Tsire asked me I wouldn't mind compiling a list of
dance classes for this years Lilies. Therefore, I need volunteers that are A)
going to be at war this years, B) willing to teach and C) have ideas for classes
they want to see (as I am far from an expert in the field of dance). Please let
me know what you are excited in teaching and wanting to participate in. I can't
wait to take the classes! Thanks. Helena
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