Hi all, It's Lady Tsire,

Calontir Performing Arts day will feature 4 1 hour dance classes in the
following areas

Intro - English
Intro - Itallian
Intro - Middle Eastern
Interm. - English

I am courting instructors at the moment and will give you moreb complete
information as it develops.

If there is a clourse that any of your would like to see happen at this
event. please e-mail me with the course description and a list of possible
instructors. If you would like to teach let me know ASAP, if you woulr like
to help bless you and let me know ASAP, (especially if you would like to be
an Inn Steward)

Thanks so much.

Lady Tsire of the Boundless Energy

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Greetings all!

>April 22nd - La Fete du Fin D'avril (No Mountian)
>
>Some type of classes and hopefully evening dancing.
>Catherine should fill us in (hint, hint)

Alright, I can take a hint! *laugh*

We're planning on having some sort of dance practice (not a class per se, just
running through whatever anyone wants to do) for an hour or two during the
day--sort of a regional dance practice sort of thing.  Right now we don't have
any dance scheduled for the evening, but if there is interest we can dance
after feast.  The post revel space is definately big enough.

>July 22 Calontir Performing Arts Day Coeur d'Ennui

Tsire forgot to mention that there is most certainly going to be a ball in the
evening.  Yay!

>Lilies:

Sigh, I wish I could be certain of my plans!  So much dance!

Katherine




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Well, this weekend is RUSH in SW Missouri.  Is anyone else going that can
teach?  I'd like to get the afternoon classes lined out.

katriana

BTW, Onelist merged with eGroups a while ago.  They just got done merging
the sites over Coronation weekend.  You can keep using the onelist.com
address, there will be a redirect for the foreseeable future, but the
address is now CalontirDance@egroups.com.

katriana

Hellooo!!!!

Anybody there?

Is ANYBODY else going to RUSH this weekend?

Not that I mind teaching dance for 5-6 hours straight in the afternoon
(after teaching in the morning) but I have to read scripture on Sunday on
local television!

And I usually get a pretty good turnout for dance classes in that area.

katriana

> Hellooo!!!!
>
> Anybody there?
>
> Is ANYBODY else going to RUSH this weekend?
>
> Not that I mind teaching dance for 5-6 hours straight in the afternoon
> (after teaching in the morning) but I have to read scripture
> on Sunday on
> local television!
>
> And I usually get a pretty good turnout for dance classes in
> that area.
>
> katriana

Yes I will be there, I was mostly seeing if there would be anyone else.

I've been working up stuff for local classes for the ball.

Which of the ball dances do you feel you can play music for?

Conrad

Sorry, I would happily help out, but Oakheart is a bit far south for a
daytrip.
When is the latest we can sign up to teach at Lilies, though (I don't know my
schedule yet and am likely not to know it until the last minute, but I'd
*love*
to teach).

Katherine
College of NoMountain

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>Hellooo!!!!
>
>Anybody there?
>
>Is ANYBODY else going to RUSH this weekend?
>
>Not that I mind teaching dance for 5-6 hours straight in the afternoon
>(after teaching in the morning) but I have to read scripture on Sunday on
>local television!
>
>And I usually get a pretty good turnout for dance classes in that area.
>
>katriana
>
>
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http://home.earthlink.net/~lfdean
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> Sorry, I would happily help out, but Oakheart is a bit far
> south for a
> daytrip.
> When is the latest we can sign up to teach at Lilies, though
> (I don't know my
> schedule yet and am likely not to know it until the last
> minute, but I'd
> *love*
> to teach).
>
> Katherine
> College of NoMountain

Katherine

There are 8 2 hour classes scheduled for Lilies (Monday through Thursday
10 AM till Noon and 1 to 3 PM). We've already got the time and space
reserved.
I asked Sajhar and she said the RUSH book will printed with the schedule as
of
Crown (May 27) so there is still some time to match teachers to subject to
times.

So far I have 3 firm classes and 2 tentative ones. SO I'm still looking for
at least 3 more teachers (or at least classes)

So far
1 Review for the ball
2 Intermediate ECD
3 General multi style intro to dance

t1 Survey of Itialian dance
t2 beginning ECD

Anyone else want to teach at lilies.
If we get enough we could expland classes to the first sunday or maybe
even first saturday. Also there could be classes on the last friday and
saturday
if we want.

Conrad

OK, (finally) got an email confirming when I'm (or someone's) teaching


2 classes of Introduction to dance
9:00 and 10:00.
4 classes of General instruction for Lilies dancing
1:00, 2:00, 3:00, and 4:00.

I would love some help with Intro to dance, I talk a whole bunch and go
over some basic dances from the genre's I know.  If someone could lead the
dancing, I could play the music.  Which works better for many reasons, not
the least of which is my lack of tapes and recording equipment (gee,
imagine that)
just realized I have no Allemandes on the list.  Black is the only one I
really know the steps to.

Carolingians
Petit Riense
Rostiboli Gioioso
Branle Suite
	 Double (common) Branle
	 Single Branle
	 Gay Branle
	 Burgundian Branle
Official Branle
Washerwoman's Branle
Charlotte
SCA Maltese Branle
Calontir Branle
Gathering Peascods
Black Nag
New Boe Peep

I need to make a list of what dances will be taught when in the afternoon.
General guidelines are better than nothing.  In hour long blocks, how does:

1:00  Arbeau - French Renaissance, Branles and Pavans

2:00 Italian and Allemandes (Gresley too if someone can teach)

3:00  English Country

4:00  More English Country, Quen Quer Que if Conrad is there to teach,
anything left (and believe me, we can't fit everything in.  All we can
really hope to do for most is introduce the styles and get people
comfortable with trying)

Conrad, the only dances I'm not comfortable playing:
Whirligig - I can play until the dancing's done, but the music is weird and
I've never been able to watch the dance and figure out what's going on
Angus Reel - I don't have music, and have never heard it.
Mertiritza - same here.  I understand from someone on the folkdance
newsgroup that it's Greek?
Ivy Allemande - ???Music???
L'Escargot and tangle bransle just go to music the musicians can stand as I
understand it (and are darn near the same dance?)
Il Piantone also goes to anything.
I've got music for Ly Ben Distonys and Pizocara but we should make sure the
repeats are the same as what we'll do at Lilies (I've played them with
different repeats)

katriana

> Conrad, the only dances I'm not comfortable playing:
> Whirligig - I can play until the dancing's done, but the
> music is weird and
> I've never been able to watch the dance and figure out what's going on

Well we should fix that, the tape I have doesn't fit the pattern in
playford!

> Angus Reel - I don't have music, and have never heard it.
> Mertiritza - same here.  I understand from someone on the folkdance
> newsgroup that it's Greek?
Yep something like that

> Ivy Allemande - ???Music???

That and the last two are from meridies :)

> L'Escargot and tangle bransle just go to music the musicians
> can stand as I
> understand it (and are darn near the same dance?)
> Il Piantone also goes to anything.
> I've got music for Ly Ben Distonys and Pizocara but we should
> make sure the
> repeats are the same as what we'll do at Lilies (I've played them with
> different repeats)

Yep, but that one should be easy - the dance is simple and I'd be surprised
if the music is too complicated.

How about Ballo del Fiore?

Even in 4 hours I can't imagine well get through all the Ball dances let
alone
most of the requests :)

Enclosed is a general Intro/Background class I've worked up.
I taught a quick 1 hour version at a Stevens College dance history class.
Its more of an overview of the various times and styles with a little less
emphasis on actual dancing than I normally do. Its a html file.

Conrad

Timeline

• Bassa Danze Early Balli - Italy: 1450-1480
• Basse Dances - France Burgundy: 1480 - 1540
• Pavanes Allemandes - England: 1500 - 1560
• Canaries - Spain: 1540 - 1600
• Bransles - France: 1540 - 1600
• Galliards - France: 1580 - 1620
• Balletti - Italy: 1580 - 1640
• Country Dances - England: 1580 - 1650

Reasons for Dance

• Social Interaction
• Showing Off
• Fitness
• Flirting
• Entertainment

Perfect Dancing

Cornazano (1455)

Memory:

Knowing the steps and coreography.

Measure:

Performing the steps in time with the music and flowing from one to the next.

Manner:

Moving the body with the feet.

Aire:

Pleasurable to watch, cheerfully and pleasent.

Diversity:

Keep the style according to the dance, don't make all dances look alike.

Dividing the space:

Think ahead and alter your steps according to the space you have available.

Dress

Basse Dances

Tholouze (1488), Brussels Manuscript (?)

Description- Low Dances, "geos calmly without thrashing about as gracefully as possible (Kronenfeld).

Locale - Burgundy/France

• Double *
• Single *
• Bransle *
• Desmarche *

• Casule la Nueva

Bassa Danze Early Balli

Domenico (1450), Cornazano (1455), Ebreo (c 1460)

Dances with several misure (tempos), each with (usually) a different type of step(s). Characterized by chase and return or follow.

Locale - Italy

• Bassadanza 6/4
• Quadernaria 4/4
• Saltarello 3/4
• Piva 2/4

• Saltarello *
• Piva *
• Dopio *
• Sempi *
• Riprese *
• Contrapassi
• Continenza
• Riverenza
• Movimento

• Petit Riens
• Gelosia

Bransles

Arbeau (1589)

Bransle, form the french verb branler (to sway from side to side). Bransles have 3 varities; simple, mixed and mimed.

Locale - France

• Double *
• Single *
• Kick *
• Jump

• Bransle de Charlotte (mixed)
• Bransle de la Officale (mixed)
• Bransle de Chevaleux (mimed)

Pavanes Allemandes

Copeland (1521), Elyot (1531)

Dances often used as processionals, generally slow and full of gravity.

Locale - England, France

• Double *
• Single *

• Simple Pavan
• Black Allemande

Galliards

Arbeau (1589)

A lively dance often done with/after a pavan. 1, 2, 3, 4...56

Locale - England, France

• Single *
• Kick *
• Cadence *
• Posture *
• Fleuret

• Cinque pas
• Bell

Balletti

Caroso (1581, 1600), Negri (1602)

Dances with challenging footwork, lengthy figures and shphicticated coreography.

Locale - Italy

• Riverenza *
• Seguito Ordinario *
• Seguito Scorsio *
• Continenza *
• 48+ others

• Ballo del Fiore

Country Dances

Playford (1651)

Dances with evidence to indicate they were less formal and done by the young people after the solemn dances and entertainment.

Locale - England

• Double *
• Set turn *
• Arming *
• Siding *
• Various Heys

• Gathering Peascods
• Rufty Tufty

Dance Tape

• Petit Riens
• Gelosia
• Bransle Charlotte
• Bransle de la Officiale
• Bransle de Chevalieux
• Belle Qui
• Black Allemande
• Galliard
• Pavane and Galliard
• Ballo del Fiore
• Gathering Peascods
• Rufty Tufty
• Quen Quer Que

Sources

• Arbeau, Thoinot; Orchesographie, 1589
• Brussels Manuscript (Le manuscrit dit des Basses Danses);
• Caroso, Fabrito; Il Ballarino, 1581
• Caroso, Fabrito; Nobilta di Dame, 1600
• Compasso, Luito; Ballo della Gagliarda, 1560
• Coplande; The Maner of dauncynge of bace daunces, 1521
• Cornazano, Antonio; Libra dell'arte del danzare, 1465
• Domenico da Piacenza; De arte saltandi et choreas ducendi, 1455
• Guglielmo Ebreo/Giovanni Ambrosio; De practica seu arte tripudii, 1463
• Negri, Cesare; La Gratie d'Amore, 1602
• Playford, John; The English Dancing Master, 1651
• Toulouze, Michael; S'ensuit l'art et instruction de bien dancer, 1496

• Brainard, Ingrid; The Art of Courtly Dancing in the Early Renaissance, 1981.
• Smith, William A.; Fifteenth Centuary Dance and Music, 1995, Stuyvesant, NY; Pendragon Press.

• http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance.html
• http://www.dhds.org.uk/
• http://members.aol.com/ukdancesoc/renais2.htm
• http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~vfack/ihdp/

Local Dance Group

Contact: Michael Sauer
(573) 445-5365
sauerm@...

Practice: 2nd and 4th Thursdays
At the Unity Church, 1600 W Broadway at Manor

Hi there,

I've been getting the music together for Lilies and have a small problem
(so far)

Ive got two versions of some tunes and need input.  I don't have access to
other musicians to hear these and am notoriously bad at "sizing up"
difficulty and quality by sight (hence my phrase "sure, I can play that)

Horses Branle, I've got by Monica Cellio (Ellisif) and Al Cofrin (Avatar)

Gathering Peascods I've got by Robert Stockton and Al Cofrin

Rufty Tufty I've got by Katherin Van Stone and Al Cofrin

Rostiboli Gioioso I've got by Ellisif and Avatar (both versions are two pages)

Anybody got favorites?  Conna, I'm especially curious about what you think.

I'm leaning towards using Avatar's arrangements, seems to me the fewers
"style" changes (including in typeface) the better for "bandstand" music.
I'm using Avatar's arrangments of other things as well, so these aren't the
only pieces of his.

katriana
more to come...

OK, here's what I'm down to:

Problems:
Need to decide what music:
Il Piantone
L'Escargot
Whirligig - actually just need to work out how the music fits, I've got music.
Need to pick a version:
Gathering Peascods
Horses
Rostiboloi
Rufty Tufty
Need music (or a recording I can transcribe)
Angus Reel
Ivy Allemande
Mannschaft
Metiritza

Everything else I've got and am ready to copy.

I'm going for 5 copies for this weekend,

katriana

>How about Ballo del Fiore?
This and Candlestick bransle are similar dances and the music is similar
too.  Yep, I can play it (and take brief naps while playing for large
groups) :)

>Even in 4 hours I can't imagine well get through all the Ball dances let
>alone most of the requests :)
Nope, that's why I thought we'd group them by types.  If people do a group
of branles, they will at least walk out with the knowledge that branles are
simple dances, usually in a circle with double and single left and rights.
   Same principle with Elizabethan-style English Country.

>Enclosed is a general Intro/Background class I've worked up.
>I taught a quick 1 hour version at a Stevens College dance history class.
>Its more of an overview of the various times and styles with a little less
>emphasis on actual dancing than I normally do. Its a html file.

And most of the big objections I hear is that I talk more than people
expect.  I used to try to have a theory class, then a lab class, but even
that confused people.

We should probably get the paperwork for our respective classes as link
to's from your European Dance page off the main Calontir webpage.

katriana

>
> OK, here's what I'm down to:
>
> Problems:
> Need to decide what music:
> Il Piantone
> L'Escargot
> Whirligig - actually just need to work out how the music
> fits, I've got music.
> Need to pick a version:
> Gathering Peascods
> Horses
> Rostiboloi
> Rufty Tufty
> Need music (or a recording I can transcribe)
> Angus Reel
> Ivy Allemande
> Mannschaft
> Metiritza

I wouldn't worry about meteritza, its low on my list
and I've never seen it done to live music - probably not
worth much time looking for it.

I'm pretty sure Angus Reel can be done to any 8 scottish music,
we can figure out the timing tomorrow.

Conrad

heres a site some might find interesting. it has lots of downloadable dance
music on it.

http://ieee.uwaterloo.ca/praetzel/mp3-cd/


---sam

OK, I found sheet music for Angus Reel.  If people are going to want to do
this, others (Conna, are you listening) had better get this down. I'll try,
but scottish tunes make my brain and fingers hurt.

I was going to attach it as a file, but thought better of it.  If people
want a copy, email me and I'll send it privately.  Right now it's a
noteworthy composer file

http://www.noteworthycomposer.com

You can get a free player or the whole program at that site.

katriana
It's late, we're leaving in 4 hours for RUSH and I'm typing stuff in the
computer...

Conrad--

Could you tell me what the current classes for Lilies are (and I imagine
everyone else would be interested in that information as well)?  And also what
you're still looking for?  My summer plans are getting less tentative and I
can
finally committ to being able to teach.  I have a couple ideas, but I'm happy
to
fill in wherever needed.

Katherine

(by the way, I hope you had a safe and uneventful trip home and have been
taking
it easy this week!).

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Cathy Dean                            Katherine Mercer
Grinnell College                      Seneschal, College of NoMountain
deanc@...                    Calontir
http://home.earthlink.net/~lfdean
Knowledge is Power; Power Corrupts; Study Hard; Be Evil
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> Could you tell me what the current classes for Lilies are
> (and I imagine
> everyone else would be interested in that information as
> well)?  And also what
> you're still looking for?  My summer plans are getting less
> tentative and I
> can
> finally committ to being able to teach.  I have a couple
> ideas, but I'm happy
> to
> fill in wherever needed.
> Katherine

Lilies Dance CLass Schedule
(Needs to be finalized before Crown to make the RUSH book)



Class Times
Mon - Thur 10-12 and 1-3

Day/Time  Class                    Teacher
Monday
AM        Intro to Renn. Dance     Conrad
PM        Bransles and Pavanes?

Tues
AM        Introductory Itialian    Katherine
PM        Easy ECD                 Tsire

Wed
AM        Intermediate ECD         Tsire
PM        ???                      ???

Thurs
AM        Survey of Itialian Dance  Judith
PM        Review for Ball           Conrad et al


Final class nane is up to the instructor.
Anyone who want to be around for the review class is welcome.
Exact slots on Tues and Wed are somewhat tentative.
I absolutely need someone for the Monday PM class, I've got a meeting :(

Any ideas for the wed after noon class?

A couple of ones I had

Dancing to live music
Dance teachers class

Conrad


> (by the way, I hope you had a safe and uneventful trip home
> and have been
> taking
> it easy this week!).

The trip home last week was fine, eve stopped off in Bellewode
for a few hours - but there was another event (with danceing)
this most recent weekend (next weekend I'm taking OFF!)

Quick question:

is the Tuesday AM Intro Italian class me!?  If so, great :) and Judith and I
should probably chat about not covering too much of the same material.

I'd also be happy to take the Monday or Wednesday PM slot if I could divide it
into two one hour slots.  I was thinking that it would be really fun to do a
Saltarello class (Saltarello la Regina and Saltarello II with maybe some talk
about the development of the Saltarello form into Italian dance if I feel up
to
it), but I only have enough material for an hour.  That could easily be paired
with either a quasi-Scottish/Irish (Posten's, Mairi's, and Scotland the Brave)
or else a more focused intermediate ECD (like Alina's Hey's are not for Horses
class which has been spreading aroud the Known World!).

Katherine












>Lilies Dance CLass Schedule
>(Needs to be finalized before Crown to make the RUSH book)
>
>
>
>Class Times
>Mon - Thur 10-12 and 1-3
>
>Day/Time  Class                    Teacher
>Monday
>AM        Intro to Renn. Dance     Conrad
>PM        Bransles and Pavanes?
>
>Tues
>AM        Introductory Itialian    Katherine
>PM        Easy ECD                 Tsire
>
>Wed
>AM        Intermediate ECD         Tsire
>PM        ???                      ???
>
>Thurs
>AM        Survey of Itialian Dance  Judith
>PM        Review for Ball           Conrad et al
>
>
>Final class nane is up to the instructor.
>Anyone who want to be around for the review class is welcome.
>Exact slots on Tues and Wed are somewhat tentative.
>I absolutely need someone for the Monday PM class, I've got a meeting :(
>
>Any ideas for the wed after noon class?
>
>A couple of ones I had
>
>Dancing to live music
>Dance teachers class
>

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Cathy Dean                            Katherine Mercer
Grinnell College                      Seneschal, College of NoMountain
deanc@...                    Calontir
http://home.earthlink.net/~lfdean
Knowledge is Power; Power Corrupts; Study Hard; Be Evil
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Quick question:
>
> is the Tuesday AM Intro Italian class me!?  If so, great :)

Yep :)

> and Judith and I
> should probably chat about not covering too much of the same material.

My only request is that all the itialian dances in the ball proper
(not necessarilly the request dances) be covered during the classes.

> I'd also be happy to take the Monday or Wednesday PM slot if
> I could divide it
> into two one hour slots.  I was thinking that it would be
> really fun to do a
> Saltarello class (Saltarello la Regina and Saltarello II with
> maybe some talk
> about the development of the Saltarello form into Italian
> dance if I feel up
> to
> it), but I only have enough material for an hour.

Well I'd be like that alot.

On another note - do you think we could round up enough
people (10-12) to do a Salterello II (BTW it actually
has a name now though I don't remember it) at performing
arts day?

> That could
> easily be paired
> with either a quasi-Scottish/Irish (Posten's, Mairi's, and
> Scotland the Brave)
> or else a more focused intermediate ECD (like Alina's Hey's
> are not for Horses
> class which has been spreading aroud the Known World!).
>
> Katherine

Both are possible, though I would prefer not to teach the
scottish dances at official classes.

Conrad

[snip]

>> is the Tuesday AM Intro Italian class me!?  If so, great :)
>
>Yep :)

Great, (Katherine enters planning mode)

>
>> and Judith and I
>> should probably chat about not covering too much of the same material.
>
>My only request is that all the itialian dances in the ball proper
>(not necessarilly the request dances) be covered during the classes.

Ok, of the Italian on the play list I can do Petit Riens, Amoroso (can you
send
me a copy of the music you're sending out to musicians?  There are at least
two
versions I know of), Gelosia, and Rosti Boli.  I *cannot* teach Il Piantone or
Ballo del Fiore.  Of the four I can teach I will almost certainly be doing RB
(because it's my favorite Italian dance), but of the other three any/all/or
none
would work for me.

So... Judith, if you're on this list can you please contact me off list
(deanc@...) so we can figure things out before Crown, if not, could
someone (Conrad?) send me contact info?

I was thinking that if you don't object horribly I might gear the Italian
class
towards being intermediate rather than introductory.  By Intermediate I mean
people who have reasonable knowlege of how to dance in the SCA (ie can do
doubles and singles of some genre, have attended dance practices or classes in
the past), preferably with a bit of Italian experience, not necessarily people
who even know any Italian (without review).  I just don't want to spend a lot
of
time getting people to be able to move with the music.

At this point I'm thinking it would be interesting to cover some dances that
aren't currently in the Calontir repetoire (at least not that I've seen).
Tentatively I'd like to do between 4 and 6 dances depending on time and how
quickly people learn: Rosti Boli and 1-2 other 15th c. balli, Dolche Amoroso
Fiamma, Bizzaria d'Amore and/or one other 16th century (maybe Villanella?).
Some of these I would classify as intro-intermediate, others as definately
intermediate, another reason for not doing intro.
>
>> I'd also be happy to take the Monday or Wednesday PM slot if
>> I could divide it
>> into two one hour slots.  I was thinking that it would be
>> really fun to do a
>> Saltarello class (Saltarello la Regina and Saltarello II with
>> maybe some talk
>> about the development of the Saltarello form into Italian
>> dance if I feel up
>> to
>> it), but I only have enough material for an hour.
>
>Well I'd be like that alot.

Great!!

>
>On another note - do you think we could round up enough
>people (10-12) to do a Salterello II at performing
>arts day?

Yeah, I bet we could.  Maybe we could arrange a practice for all those
interested during the pick-up time because I think all the class-slots for
dance
are filled, (right, Tsire?) and then perform it.  I'm sure we could scare up
enough people since I've done it (successfully) with as few a 6 dancers and it
works really well with only 8.
>
(BTW it actually
>has a name now though I don't remember it)

Prendente in Giro

>> That could
>> easily be paired
>> with either a quasi-Scottish/Irish (Posten's, Mairi's, and
>> Scotland the Brave)
>> or else a more focused intermediate ECD (like Alina's Hey's
>> are not for Horses
>> class which has been spreading aroud the Known World!).
>>
>> Katherine
>
>Both are possible, though I would prefer not to teach the
>scottish dances at official classes.


Ok, how about Salterello class followed by Intermediate ECD with Heys
(Whirligig, Grimstock, and Picking of Sticks [with Alina's permission, of
course])?

BTW, what is the space for dance at Lilies, and how tight is the spacing.  Is
there time for classes to go over by 15 minutes if necessary?


Lot's of questions!  Sorry to everyone for the list traffic.

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Ok, so I'm bad. I haven't checked my home e-mail in about two months. Ugh.
Sorry, Katriana. I didn't mean to ignore you. And I missed you at the Pas this
weekend. I was the only stinkin' musician there. So no live music for the ball
(I'm just not the woman you are; I can't play the music well enough on my own
to hold the field). Conrad, was the dancing good anyway?



Katriana wrote:

>
> Horses Branle, I've got by Monica Cellio (Ellisif) and Al Cofrin (Avatar)

Slight preference to Avatar's on this one. Dunno why.
>
> Gathering Peascods I've got by Robert Stockton and Al Cofrin

Ditto here. Maybe 'cause I have the book.
>
> Rufty Tufty I've got by Katherin Van Stone and Al Cofrin
Here, too.
>
> Rostiboli Gioioso I've got by Ellisif and Avatar (both versions are two pages)

Is Ellisif the same as Monica Cellio? If so, I like hers better (even if I did
manage to screw it up royally at Crystal Ball last year--wait, it doesn't
count as a screw-up if the dancers didn't notice, right? ;-)

Katriana, will you be going to Crown? I received an e-mail from someone who's
organizing a ball; he needs musicians. Are you game? I'm going to try to make
it.

Conna

Hi Conrad (et all..)

All this talk about Lillies makes me wish I could actually get there
this year! :)

> Tentatively I'd like to do between 4 and 6 dances depending on time
and how
> quickly people learn: Rosti Boli and 1-2 other 15th c. balli,
Dolche Amoroso
> Fiamma, Bizzaria d'Amore and/or one other 16th century (maybe
Villanella?).
> Some of these I would classify as intro-intermediate, others as
definately
> intermediate, another reason for not doing intro.

Just a couple of thoughts from an exiled Calontiri...

I personally love Rostiboli. :) I learned it in Drachenwald (via the
mundane Italian schools) and will do it anytime, anyplace. :) I wish
it was done more often in the SCA (well, outside Carolingia!). :) I
don't know how the dance world is over in Calontir anymore, but in
this dance-backwater kingdom we tend to have resistance to the later
Italians. I have found though that Villanella goes over really well.
I taught it to complete dance beginners at our last Kingdom Dance and
Rapier Collegium. I found that if you point out that ssd ssd
structure in the second thru fourth verses as being just
like "Carolingian Pavane"
and the continenze, 2 riprese, riverenza as a "chorus", it sticks in
learners' heads better. The only problem we had was with the
saltarello circle-countercircle maneuveur in the last verse. Other
than that, it went really well. :) Oh, and another word of advice
(from the experience of our Kingdom danceminister) - never describe
Bizzaria as "straightforward". That word is now banned at all kingdom
and baronial dance practices. ;)

As for other 15th century, I'm not sure what you're thinking yet, but
how about Leoncello, Pellegrina (basse danse type), Anello, Verceppe
or Gratioso? (I don't have my little black book o' dance with me at
the moment or I could give you a better list. :)

I kinda miss Saltarello (La Regina) - I'm trying to introduce it out
here. :) But, you know, it's one of those *gasp* Italian names! Which
of course, as we all know, instantly makes it 200 times more
difficult than Heart's Ease. ;)

Makes me wish I could be there this year. What are the classes
shaping up like for the KWASS?

Lady Julian ferch Rhys
late of Shire of Standing Stones
now dance minister for Barony of Atenveldt, Atenveldt

PS: Conrad - last count was 121 dances! Where are you? ;)

>Just a couple of thoughts from an exiled Calontiri...
>
>I personally love Rostiboli. :) I learned it in Drachenwald (via the
>mundane Italian schools) and will do it anytime, anyplace. :) I wish
>it was done more often in the SCA (well, outside Carolingia!). :)

I couldn't agree more.  It's one of my 'personal crusade' dances that I wish
would become an SCA standard.  It's also one of only two Italian dances that
my
(overwhelmingly open and wonderful) dancers request (the other being Petit
Riens, although I'm winning them over with Dolce Amoroso Fiamma).


I
>don't know how the dance world is over in Calontir anymore, but in
>this dance-backwater kingdom we tend to have resistance to the later
>Italians.

Grrr... this is definately true in C d'E (right Tsire?) and even a bit here in
NoMountain where we have unusually open folk.  Does anyone know how this
started?  Who gave Italian a bad reputation (I must know so that I can set
some
large-fanged animals loose in their pavillion at Pennsic)

I have found though that Villanella goes over really well.
>I taught it to complete dance beginners at our last Kingdom Dance and
>Rapier Collegium. I found that if you point out that ssd ssd
>structure in the second thru fourth verses as being just
>like "Carolingian Pavane"
>and the continenze, 2 riprese, riverenza as a "chorus", it sticks in
>learners' heads better. The only problem we had was with the
>saltarello circle-countercircle maneuveur in the last verse. Other
>than that, it went really well. :)

Hmmm... I'll keep this in mind, although I generally don't try to teach
Italian
by analogy with ECD or other more familiar stuff.  It just somehow seems wrong
in a couple of gut reaction sort of ways.  Mostly I think it's because I
didn't
learn that way, but also trying to fit Italian into molds where it can almost,
but not quite, fit, seems counterproductive.  If people are going to enjoy
Italian dance it probably isn't going to be because it's like Rufty Tufty, but
because they like it *despite* its not being Rufty Tufty.  Just my two cents
your millage may vary, and all the other usual disclaimers.  I'll *definately*
keep those hints in mind as one never knows what will help someone who is
having
lots of problems understanding GET a dance.


Oh, and another word of advice
>(from the experience of our Kingdom danceminister) - never describe
>Bizzaria as "straightforward". That word is now banned at all kingdom
>and baronial dance practices. ;)

*laugh*.  I'll keep that in mind.

>
>As for other 15th century, I'm not sure what you're thinking yet, but
>how about Leoncello, Pellegrina (basse danse type), Anello, Verceppe
>or Gratioso? (I don't have my little black book o' dance with me at
>the moment or I could give you a better list. :)

Could do Leoncello or Anello, Verceppe, Pellegrina, and Gratioso I don't know
yet.  I picked up my repetoire in the Midrealm, from some friends of Mistress
Rosina's, but their 15th c. rep is actually quite small.  I'm hopeing to pick
up
some more at Pennsic directly from Rosina!

>
>I kinda miss Saltarello (La Regina) - I'm trying to introduce it out
>here. :) But, you know, it's one of those *gasp* Italian names! Which
>of course, as we all know, instantly makes it 200 times more
>difficult than Heart's Ease. ;)

*laugh*.  Ok, appropriate time to tell my technique for getting people to
dance
SLR.  I refer to it constantly as the 'kamikaze bunny hop dance of doom' (this
is because the CD set I have has SLR repeated three times in a row getting
progressively faster).  Amazingly enough people not only didn't run away from
that description, but they actually came to practice to see what the heck I
was
going on about!


>Lady Julian ferch Rhys
>late of Shire of Standing Stones
>now dance minister for Barony of Atenveldt, Atenveldt

SO does that mean you're in Phoenix?  I imagine you've already met my friend
who
is living in Tucson (ack, I can never remember how to spell the name of the
group down there) Dave/Bartello(I think).  If not, you should.  If so, he'll
dance SLR or Rosti Boli with you anytime, just do me a favor and say that
Katherine from Calontir sent you and everything will be alright!

Katherine
(who appologizes for all the list-cluttering chitchat, but that's just

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Hi all. :)

> I couldn't agree more.  It's one of my 'personal crusade' dances
that I wish
> would become an SCA standard.  It's also one of only two Italian
dances that
> my
> (overwhelmingly open and wonderful) dancers request (the other
being Petit
> Riens, although I'm winning them over with Dolce Amoroso Fiamma).

I've got a two-person version of Petit Vriens which I occasionally
throw on to confuse our kingdom dance minister. :) But that's beside
the point. :)

We're having some good success with Amoroso surprisingly. Master
Niccolo of Artemisia came down and taught it to some beginners at the
Kingdom Dance and Rapier Collegium and it's really caught on. I've
had lots of requests for it lately. And in a kingdom where the
prevailing dance request is "Anything except Italian" and/or "Can we
do Hole in the Wall?", that's pretty cheering. :)

> Does anyone know how this
> started?  Who gave Italian a bad reputation

I wish I knew. We do have some prominent people out here who are
against them, but I guess that it may be because it's got a
vocabulary that stretches beyond single, double, side, arm, set and
turn. People seem to resist having to learn something "fur'n". (Yes,
I'm originally from Arkansas :).  Plus, out here, there's been a long
tradition of completely OOP dances done. And those that are "period"
(quotes because I'm including ECD here), have some very odd
mutations. It makes things interesting when you come in and try to
teach what you know only to have people come back at you with "that's
wrong" or "that's not how we do it here". I just recently had someone
call into question the handholds that I teach (i.e., low, not high).
He said "That's how Master xxxx, our premier Laurel, says it should
be done." I told him "Well, he's wrong" and went on to cite sources
and show him illuminations to the contrary. But it does make things a
little frustrating at times between that and the prevailing "Italians
are incredibly hard, and only dance laurels can do them" attitude. :(

> Hmmm... I'll keep this in mind, although I generally don't try to
teach
> Italian
> by analogy with ECD or other more familiar stuff.

Out here, it's almost the only way to fly. :( Well, to get people to
try it. After a while, I start slipping back into Italian, but most
people seem to accept it by then.

> but also trying to fit Italian into molds where it can almost,
> but not quite, fit, seems counterproductive.

Out here it's a case of "I don't know what a doppio is, and I don't
want to know. Oh? A *double*? OH! I can do that!"


> I'll *definately*
> keep those hints in mind as one never knows what will help someone
who is
> having
> lots of problems understanding GET a dance.

This is one of the reasons I go to a lot of beginner classes when I
travel. I may know all the dances, but you never know when someone
else might have a way cool way of explaining things. :) And God
knows, I'm still learning to teach after all these years. ;)

> Could do Leoncello or Anello, Verceppe, Pellegrina, and Gratioso I
don't know
> yet.

Another thing I thought of - if you've got a group who are willing to
try new and different things, you might could try Mercantia. Good
flirting potential and interesting theatrics. :)

> I'm hopeing to pick
> up
> some more at Pennsic directly from Rosina!

Rosina and I have some sometimes quite varying viewpoints on
reconstructions and steps! :)

> *laugh*.  Ok, appropriate time to tell my technique for getting
people to
> dance
> SLR.  I refer to it constantly as the 'kamikaze bunny hop dance of
doom'

OK - now *that* I'm definitely going to have to remember! :)

> I imagine you've already met my friend
> who
> is living in Tucson  Dave/Bartello(I think).

Yep - he came to our Dance Collegium last year before he ever moved
out here. :) We love him out here!! I'll tell him we chatted. :) Cool!

Julian

Greetings again.

>I've got a two-person version of Petit Vriens which I occasionally
>throw on to confuse our kingdom dance minister. :) But that's beside
>the point. :)

Oooh... feel like shareing?  I'm curious now (having helped choreograph a six
person version of Rufty Tufty when we had too many people for the regular
dance!)

>
>We're having some good success with Amoroso surprisingly. Master
>Niccolo of Artemisia came down and taught it to some beginners at the
>Kingdom Dance and Rapier Collegium and it's really caught on. I've
>had lots of requests for it lately. And in a kingdom where the
>prevailing dance request is "Anything except Italian" and/or "Can we
>do Hole in the Wall?", that's pretty cheering. :)

So I hear!  It actually gives one a sense of hope!  I really think more people
would enjoy Italian if they would just give it a chance--very flirtatious and
goodness knows there are enough flirts int he SCA to make things like that
quite
popular indeed!


>> but also trying to fit Italian into molds where it can almost,
>> but not quite, fit, seems counterproductive.
>
>Out here it's a case of "I don't know what a doppio is, and I don't
>want to know. Oh? A *double*? OH! I can do that!"

Oh, ok I will sometimes translate terms into English, but more often than not
rather than translate the step names (which can be pretty silly sounding) I
just
clip them off.  Spezz and Trab rather than spezzati and trabuchetti come to
mind
immediately.  Things with silly little names are less intimidating, I guess :)


>> Could do Leoncello or Anello, Verceppe, Pellegrina, and Gratioso I
>don't know
>> yet.
>
>Another thing I thought of - if you've got a group who are willing to
>try new and different things, you might could try Mercantia. Good
>flirting potential and interesting theatrics. :)

Ok.  HOpefully I can get my crew to try it over the summer when we don't have
homework and can have two hour dance practices.

>
>> I'm hopeing to pick
>> up
>> some more at Pennsic directly from Rosina!
>
>Rosina and I have some sometimes quite varying viewpoints on
>reconstructions and steps! :)

Well you still have to admit she's a very nifty person!  Seriously, though,
I'd
be interested to know where you differ.  I've got a copy of the big blue book
of
15th c. dance treatises in my room right now and have just started poking
through it.

>
>> *laugh*.  Ok, appropriate time to tell my technique for getting
>people to
>> dance
>> SLR.  I refer to it constantly as the 'kamikaze bunny hop dance of
>doom'
>
>OK - now *that* I'm definitely going to have to remember! :)

Ok, but I'm not sure whether I really want the blame/credit for that if it
catches on *laugh*.

>
>> I imagine you've already met my friend
>> who
>> is living in Tucson  Dave/Bartello(I think).
>
>Yep - he came to our Dance Collegium last year before he ever moved
>out here. :) We love him out here!! I'll tell him we chatted. :) Cool!

*laugh* It's a small small society we're living in.  I wonder how many steps
it
takes before every dance master/mistress in the known world is connected to
every other one.

Katherine

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Hi! :)
>> two-person version of Petit Riens
> Oooh... feel like shareing?  I'm curious now

If you go to amazon.co.uk, they have a re-issue of a CD called "A la
Ferrarese" which has that version on it. It's also got music you can
use for Patience, Cupido and Dampnes. :)

> So I hear!  It actually gives one a sense of hope!  I really think
more people
> would enjoy Italian if they would just give it a chance--very
flirtatious and
> goodness knows there are enough flirts int he SCA to make things
like that
> quite
> popular indeed!

I've been working on stressing the "flirtation" thing out here.
Sometimes it seems like people only think they can flirt in Hole in
the Wall and Mannschaft. Amoroso at least has been going some way
towards remedying that. I guess they think that on the whole Italians
are too difficult to think about flirting in. Which, in a way, I can
understand since I used to be scared of them too. But, I guess it
just takes time and patience. :)

> Oh, ok I will sometimes translate terms into English, but more
often than not
> rather than translate the step names (which can be pretty silly
sounding) I
> just
> clip them off.

Oh yeah - names that don't have ready English translations just stay
in Italian. :) I can't see myself calling for a "broken sequence"
when I can just say "spezzato". :) Although I have been known to
call "spezzati" "scoochy steps" just to get my point across. :)
However, that's only for teaching! After the first inital run-
throughs, it's back to Italian! :)

>> Mercantia
> Ok.  HOpefully I can get my crew to try it over the summer when we
don't have
> homework and can have two hour dance practices.

It's not overly difficult once you get the idea behind it. What's
really fun is to work it and Sobria up to be performed together. :)
Marketplace (where the lady dances with everyone - trying them out,
as it were) and Sobriety (where she only dances with her partner and
everyone else tries to pick her up). :) They look really good with a
lot of facial expression and drama. :) I think the dance part is
almost secondary. :)

> Well you still have to admit she's a very nifty person!  Seriously,
though,
> I'd
> be interested to know where you differ.  I've got a copy of the big
blue book
> of
> 15th c. dance treatises in my room right now and have just started
poking
> through it.

Smith? Great resource! :) I've reconstructed so much stuff out of
that book! :) Not to mention that the first volume is excellent for
theory. :) (Volume II is back in print, if you weren't aware of that
yet. :)

Rosina and I differ on things like riprese, pive and contrepassi. Oh,
and salterelli. :) We also have some serious differences on
reconstruction in some of the dances. She does some things that seem
to me to be really wierd. But that's kinda the thing about dance
reconstruction - what I see in the source and work out in performance
may not be what she sees or you see or anyone else sees. The only
thing we can do is try to keep it intact with the sources themselves.
However, she and I do have some absolutely reverse ways of looking at
things sometimes. :)

> *laugh* It's a small small society we're living in.  I wonder how
many steps
> it
> takes before every dance master/mistress in the known world is
connected to
> every other one.

Sounds like an experiment to me! :) Let's see...I know Conrad (hi
Conrad!), Bartolo, Mistress Caitlin de Courcy, Wolfgang Adolphus
Jaeger, Greg (gb)(and that's a story and a half), Master Niccolo and
the people here.... I'm sure that should get us at least half-way to
everyone else. ;) Heehee - the 7 degrees of <insert name here> -
could be a great party game for Pennsic! :)

I have a question for y'all out there in Calontir. How have you
managed to get the Italians to catch on? I remember when I was out
there, we predominately did ECD and Arbeau. What things have worked
for you? :) (I'm desperately searching for new things to try out
here. :)

Julian

> Hi Conrad (et all..)

Well, better late than never :)


> All this talk about Lillies makes me wish I could actually get there
> this year! :)

Hrumph! I came out to your war ;)

> Just a couple of thoughts from an exiled Calontiri...
>
> I personally love Rostiboli. :) I learned it in Drachenwald (via the
> mundane Italian schools) and will do it anytime, anyplace. :) I wish
> it was done more often in the SCA (well, outside Carolingia!). :) I
> don't know how the dance world is over in Calontir anymore, but in
> this dance-backwater kingdom we tend to have resistance to the later
> Italians.

I wouldn't say thare is specific resistance to any dance form.
This is not necessarilly a good thing, becaue its mostly that
the (relatively few) actually interested in dance will try most
anything. But hte numbers are starting to grow. Of the 9 weekends
in april and may, dancing has been on the schedule of at least
5 events!


> Makes me wish I could be there this year. What are the classes
> shaping up like for the KWASS?

stay tuned :)

>
> PS: Conrad - last count was 121 dances! Where are you? ;)

That you know? Have music for?
I have no idea.

Conrad

> >I personally love Rostiboli. :) I learned it in Drachenwald (via the
> >mundane Italian schools) and will do it anytime, anyplace. :) I wish
> >it was done more often in the SCA (well, outside Carolingia!). :)
>
> I couldn't agree more.  It's one of my 'personal crusade'
> dances that I wish
> would become an SCA standard.  It's also one of only two
> Italian dances that
> my
> (overwhelmingly open and wonderful) dancers request (the
> other being Petit
> Riens, although I'm winning them over with Dolce Amoroso Fiamma).


I agree too, but I don't know the last one (yet). I think the
third one in my book is Gelosia. I think it helps some of the
ECD mindset cause it sorta looks line one (at least for a little
while - none of the everyone wandering all over the place.


Conrad

> I've got a two-person version of Petit Vriens which I occasionally
> throw on to confuse our kingdom dance minister. :) But that's beside
> the point. :)

Aparently someone back east has reconstruced and created music for
petit rose (a 2 person dance).

Conrad