P.S.  If you decide on a list I can get up a quick web page for them.

Conrad

> BTW, what other musicians will be there?  Otherwise I need taped music too.

Me! I'll be there. Since I didn't ever quite make it to the Barn at Pennsic, I
promise I'll make it to Coronation to play!

Conna

PS. I really did carry my basket of instruments/music around, intending to end
up at the Barn. Honest! It's Calontir's fault that we're just so darned much
fun. I even got waylaid at Sato's vigil until 3 am. Too much fun!

> What dances should be on the list?  I would like to get some of the Italian
> dances on, Petit Reins should be easy enough, and maybe Amoroso?  or
> Rostiboli?  Which branles?

Hmmm. Well, I have to admit I never get tired of Carolingian. And don't you
think we should do Calontir Bransle?

Sorry I haven't been posting, Ragweed season hit me like a sledgehammer.

How does this look for a ball list for Coronation?
Maanshaft
Calontir Branle
Gelosia
Petit Riense

Amoroso
Official's Branle
Jenny Pluck Pears
Rufty Tufty

Carolingian
Il Piantone  (Pinwheel thing)
SCA Maltese
Black Nag

Black Almain
Gathering Peascods
Saltarello de la regina
Candlestick Branle or Ballo del Fiore

Hey, another question.  Does anybody have a good tape player (or better
yet, a cd player)?  I'll bring sheet music and hope, but better to be
prepared.  Conrad, you'll be willing to teach, right?  I've seen the
Italian dances, but only danced a couple.

katriana

>Sorry I haven't been posting, Ragweed season hit me like a sledgehammer.
I was beginning to wonder :)


>How does this look for a ball list for Coronation?
>Maanshaft        (T)
>Calontir Branle  (T)
>Gelosia          (CD)
>Petit Riense     (CD)

>Amoroso           (CD)
>Official's Branle (T & CD)
>Jenny Pluck Pears (T & CD)
>Rufty Tufty       (CD)

>Carolingian       (T & CD)
>Il Piantone  (Pinwheel thing)  (Nope)
>SCA Maltese       (T & CD)
>Black Nag         (T & CD)

>Black Almain      (T I think)
>Gathering Peascods (T)
>Saltarello de la regina  (T and record)
>Candlestick Branle or Ballo del Fiore  (T candlestick branle only)


I like it a lot, though a good deal of teaching will
likely be required.


The following will need to be taught:
Gelosia
Amoroso
Il Piantone
Saltarello de la regina
Candlestick Branle or Ballo del Fiore

I know I can't teach Ballo del Fiore unless someone has notes
(I might have them or be able to find them today).

The following will likely need to be reviewed:
Petit Riense
Jenny Pluck Pears
Rufty Tufty
Black Almain ** (I learned a cool variation of this at Pennsic!)


Not that you (Katriona) need to hear this but I think I have recorded
music for everything but Il Piantone. Sell list above for source.

Note: Most of the taped music is scattered randomly over 3 or 4 tapes
with limited indexing and there is not enought time for me to make
a ball tape, sorry.

Conrad

>I like it a lot, though a good deal of teaching will
>likely be required.
Well, since dance doesn't happen often enough at Calontir events, this will
not be unusual :)  What I was going for was dances that were simple enough
to be taught on the floor (and hopefully during the day sometime)

>The following will need to be taught:
>Gelosia
>Amoroso
>Il Piantone
>Saltarello de la regina
These, if you don't know them, they're out.  Did you say you found the
steps to Il Piantone on-line?  Where?

>Candlestick Branle or Ballo del Fiore
These are basically the same dance (and almost the same music.  I'm going
to work on the variations that get more people dancing (either start with a
bunch of flowers, or give everyone candles)


>The following will likely need to be reviewed:
>Petit Riense
>Jenny Pluck Pears
>Rufty Tufty
>Black Almain ** (I learned a cool variation of this at Pennsic!)


>Not that you (Katriona) need to hear this but I think I have recorded
music for everything but Il Piantone. Sell list above for source.
>
>Note: Most of the taped music is scattered randomly over 3 or 4 tapes
>with limited indexing and there is not enought time for me to make
>a ball tape, sorry.
>
>Conrad

I'm working on a tape, but since I haven't kept up with the technological
revolution, my facilities are limited (yes, I see the joke there)

Does this look do-able from a teaching on the floor standpoint?

katriana

Il Piantone - If this is the LoD article on The Poaching Game, I just found
it :)  If there are other instructions, I haven't

katriana

>What I was going for was dances that were simple enough
>to be taught on the floor (and hopefully during the day sometime)

Not too hard, but have youy seen the meeting schedule?
At least the Lily and Cross are back to back.

>>The following will need to be taught:

>>Gelosia
>>Amoroso
>>Il Piantone
>>Saltarello de la regina
>These, if you don't know them, they're out.  Did you say you found the
>steps to Il Piantone on-line?  Where?

I can teach any of these, their pretty easy, just not likely to
be widley known.

>>Candlestick Branle or Ballo del Fiore
>These are basically the same dance (and almost the same music.  I'm going
>to work on the variations that get more people dancing (either start with a
>bunch of flowers, or give everyone candles)

They are obvisouly related, but Ballo del Fiore is considerably more
complex.
I learned it the day before the ball at Pennsic, and remembered it well
enough
during the class, but couldn't remember it well enough to feel ready to
do it at the ball.


>Does this look do-able from a teaching on the floor standpoint?

Genrerally yes, but it depends somewhat on the knowledge and willingness
to learn of at least some of the dancers.

>Genrerally yes, but it depends somewhat on the knowledge and willingness
>to learn of at least some of the dancers.

When doesn't it :)  If you have any suggestions, now would be the time,
before I get cheat sheets done up.  Really, any suggestions at all.
Substitutions galore, I don't care...I have this headache that won't quit
and our computer keeps crashing with "disk full" messages.

katriana

>>Genrerally yes, but it depends somewhat on the knowledge and willingness
>>to learn of at least some of the dancers.

>When doesn't it :)  If you have any suggestions, now would be the time,
>before I get cheat sheets done up.  Really, any suggestions at all.
>Substitutions galore, I don't care...I have this headache that won't quit
>and our computer keeps crashing with "disk full" messages.

There's no way to know beforehand. Cheat sheets are good, but they usually
don't help if someone doesn't know the dance at all.

I really like your choice of dances, they are a little ambitious, (as far
as "new" dances go), but I think that's good. I'd say go with them. If it
doesn't
work out we can always fall back to easier or more well known dances that
you
can play and I can teach - or take requests.

Conrad

When y'all get back from Coronation, can someone tell me when is Crystal
Ball?  I am away from all newsletters right now (have laptop will travel,
but this one is very slow on websites) and while I'd love to attend this
year I have a bad feeling it is sometime when I have to be somewhere else.

Thanks!

                                         ---= Morgan


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Greetings Gentles,

My name is Aoife Ni Aodhagain and since I just joined this discussion I
felt it polite to introduce myself.  I currently reside in the Shire of
Standing Stones in the the Kingdom of Calontir.  My home is on the far
shore of Ireland in the town of Galway, the city of the tribes.

Since I am new to this list I would like to know if there are dance practices
sheduled near me and if so, where and when.

In service,

Aoife

>Greetings Gentles,

>My name is Aoife Ni Aodhagain and since I just joined this discussion I
>felt it polite to introduce myself.  I currently reside in the Shire of
>Standing Stones in the the Kingdom of Calontir.  My home is on the far
>shore of Ireland in the town of Galway, the city of the tribes.

>Since I am new to this list I would like to know if there are dance
practices
>sheduled near me and if so, where and when.


Welcome Aoife


Wow another one! Thats the second one in 3 months, and good timing too.
My name is Conrad, I also live in Standing Stones and am the local
dance teacher. We will be having our next dance practice Monday Oct 4
in Memorial Union N208 - on the UMC campus. Let me know if you need
more detailed directions.

Once again welcome

Conrad
sauerm@...
445-5365 (Mike)

http://cd.murr.missouri.edu/sca/groups/Standing-Stones.html

Thanks for the welcome, I think that we have actually been introduced at a
business meeting at some time.  I look forward to the dance practices and will
try to make it for the Oct 4 one.

Aoife

Wow another one! Thats the second one in 3 months, and good timing too.
My name is Conrad, I also live in Standing Stones and am the local
dance teacher. We will be having our next dance practice Monday Oct 4
in Memorial Union N208 - on the UMC campus. Let me know if you need
more detailed directions.

Once again welcome

Conrad
sauerm@...
445-5365 (Mike)

http://cd.murr.missouri.edu/sca/groups/Standing-Stones.html

--


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Hey, anybody heard anything about the ball at this event?

katriana

Hi, folks.

It's official. I just received the dance list/music from Baroness Alphia.

First set:
Carolingian Pavan
Calontir Branle
John Tallow's Cannon
Mairi's Wedding
Leoncello Vecchio
Scots Branle
Hyde Park
Petit
Virens
Argeers
Hole in the Wall

Second set:
Korobushka
Montard
RostiBoli
Heralds in Love
Pizocara
Rufty Tufty
Postie's Jig
Spangoletta
Black Alman
Trenchmore

Third set:
Road to the Isles
Heart's Ease
Piantone (pinwheel Italian)
Lord Carnevon's Jigg
Ly Bens Distonys (Greesly)
Earl of Essex Pavan
Grimstock
Lady Cullen
Anello
Quen Quer Que (Sion's Brnl)

Fourth set:
Sellingers Round
Newcastle
Official Branle
Earl of Salisbury Pavanne
Maid Peept Out the Window
Dashing White Sergeant
Scotch Cap
Karapyet
Bassa Lauro
Laendler

There are two more sets, but I figured that's enough for now.

Katriana, send me your mailing address and I'll send you a packet of the music.

Conna

So, any news on dancing at Crown Tourney? There's no mention on the flyer.
I'll be there, without child or shop, free to play at 'most anytime :)

katriana

Hey there,

Could I get crash space for Friday and Saturday nights?

katriana
and directions & phone if the answer is yes? :)

oopsie, meant to send that just to Conna

katriana
if I can still blush, I'm blushing now.

Hello  all

Well the schedulers are starting to ask who wants to do what and wend at
Lilies. Now its been pretty well decided that the Ball will be on
thursday night in the grand pavilion. But exactly when to start is still
an open question. Last year I think it was scheduled to start at 8 or 8:30
I don't remember. I remember thinking that it was early enough that I had
to hurry off the field, eat and get ready quickly and we did start dancing
before it was dark. Any opinions?

Also I would like to have 1 scheduled night of pick up dancing. We will have
to see waht space is available for this, I'm leaning toward monday night -
but except for sunday night thats the night with the least number of people.

Lastly I think we need to coordinate the RUSH dance class offerings. Now the
RUSH organization is seperate from much of the rest of Lilies and anyone who
wants can offer to teach dance, but I would like to see classes offered by
many different teachers representing all levels of experience and areas of
the Kingdom. I will probably try to schedule 2 or 3 classes. If we have
enough teachers I'd like to have something scheduled 10-12 and 1-3 (at
least)
from minday to thursday. If possible I'd like to have live music for
some of the classes (in part to get people used to live music, earlier).

The current list of ball and request dances is listed at the end of the
message
and is availavle on the Lilies Dance Web page
http://calontir.sca.org/artsci/dance/lilies-ball/lilies-ball.html.
I encourage all teachers to learn and reteach these dances (the first group)
so
that many people at the ball might already know them. I'm working at getting
all
of them on the web, but that effort got slowed down when I became the
Calontir
web person.

A more general dance page is now at

http://calontir.sca.org/artsci/dance/dance.html

Conrad

Lilies War 14 Ball Preliminary dance list 7/27/99
Ball Dances
Amoroso (Italian balli)
Black Allemande (Arbeau/Inns of Court)
Calontir Bransle (SCA dance to period music)
Candlestick Bransle (Arbeau)
Carloingian Pavan (SCA dance to music from Arbeau)
Charlotta Bransle (Arbeau)
Earl of Salisbury Pavan (Arbeau)
Gathering Peascods (Playford, 1st)
Gelosia (Italian balli)
Hearts Ease (Playford, 1st)
Heralds in Love (SCA, reasonalby ECDish)
Horses Bransle (Arbeau)
Jenny Plucks Pears (Playford, 1st)
Ly Bens Distonys (Gresly, easy)
SCA Maltese Bransle [Turkish] (SCA, style of Arbeau)
Mannschaft Pavan (SCA somewhat period style)
New boe Peep (Playford, 1st)
Official Bransle (Arbeau)
Il Pantione (Italian, very easy)
Petit Riens (Italian balli)
Quen Quer Que (SCA to 13th cent. music (cantiga))
Rostiboli (Italian balli)
Rufty Tufty (Playford, 1st)
Scottish Bransle (Arbeau)

Request Dances
Agreers (Playford, 1st)
Anello (Italian balli)
Angus Reel (?)
Black Nag (Playford, not 1st)
Goddesses (Playford, 1st)
Grimstock (Playford, 1st)
Hole in the Wall (Playford, not 1st)
Ivy Allemande (SCA) Line of couples?
Korabushka (SCA)
Lorayne Allmande (Arbeau/Inns of Court)
L'Escargot (??)
Maid Peept out at the window (Playford, 1st)
Mage on a Cree (Playford, 1st)
Mediritza (Folk dance?)
Montard Bransle (Arbeau)
None Such (Playford, 1st)
Parsons farwell (Playford, 1st)
Pease Bransle (Arbeau)
Picking of Sticks (Playford, 1st)
Pinagay Bransle (Arbeau)
Pizochara (Italian balli)
Queens Allmande (Arbeau/Inns of Court)
Scottland the Brave (SCA)
Sellengers Round (Playford, not 1st)
Tangle Bransle (Arbeau?)
Trenchmore (Playford, not 1st)
Washerwomans Bransle (Arbeau)
Whirligig (Playford, 1st)

Hi, all. Conna here. Hope you all had a blessed Christmas.

Thanks, Conrad, for putting this all together. And well enough in advance that
I can actually practice!

Sauer, Michael F. wrote:
>
> Well the schedulers are starting to ask who wants to do what and wend at
> Lilies. Now its been pretty well decided that the Ball will be on
> thursday night in the grand pavilion. But exactly when to start is still
> an open question. Last year I think it was scheduled to start at 8 or 8:30
> I don't remember. I remember thinking that it was early enough that I had
> to hurry off the field, eat and get ready quickly and we did start dancing
> before it was dark. Any opinions?
>
8 or 8:30 seems right to me. I think it might have been earlier last year. I
seem to remember having to rush to get there, too, and I wasn't even fighting.

> Also I would like to have 1 scheduled night of pick up dancing. We will have
> to see waht space is available for this, I'm leaning toward monday night -
> but except for sunday night thats the night with the least number of people.

Not yet sure of my schedule. I'm shooting to be there the whole week, but sort
of doubt that I'll be able to because of work (summer is my busy season).

> ...from minday to thursday. If possible I'd like to have live music for
> some of the classes (in part to get people used to live music, earlier).

If I'm on site, you can count on me to play for you.

Some of the songs I'm not familiar with. Is it possible they have other names?
Katriana, do you have music for these?

> Ivy Allemande (SCA) Line of couples?
> Lorayne Allmande (Arbeau/Inns of Court)
> L'Escargot (??)
> Mage on a Cree (Playford, 1st)
> Mediritza (Folk dance?)
> Pinagay Bransle (Arbeau)
> Tangle Bransle (Arbeau?)

Hi from Conrad

>Hi, all. Conna here. Hope you all had a blessed Christmas.

Yea, someone out there is reading this!

>Thanks, Conrad, for putting this all together. And well enough in advance
that
>I can actually practice!

Speeking of practice - I think I would like to make actual live recorded
(as opposed to electronic) music available for practice. I am not happy
with what I've been able to do on the computer. There are some on my list
I don't have music available to teach the dance to. If it bothers anybody
we could always put on the terms of use that the music is not to be used
if live music is available.

>>I remember thinking that it was early enough that I had
>> to hurry off the field, eat and get ready quickly and we did start
dancing
>> before it was dark. Any opinions?

>8 or 8:30 seems right to me. I think it might have been earlier last year.
I
>seem to remember having to rush to get there, too, and I wasn't even
fighting.

I would like to actually start before dark - at the very least it makes
setup
easier and there are some who just won't/can't dance in torchlight.

>> ...from monday to thursday. If possible I'd like to have live music for
>> some of the classes (in part to get people used to live music, earlier).

>If I'm on site, you can count on me to play for you.

Thanks.

>Some of the songs I'm not familiar with. Is it possible they have other
names?
>Katriana, do you have music for these?

These 3 should be available somewhere - I'm pretty sure these are
the names of the dances from priod sources.

> Mage on a Cree (Playford, 1st)
> Pinagay Bransle (Arbeau)
> Lorayne Allmande (Arbeau/Inns of Court)

These 2 can be done to almost any music
> L'Escargot (??)
> Tangle Bransle (Arbeau?)

This is an SCA dance - it probably uses music from
some other Allemande I don't know which - Its from Meridies
> Ivy Allemande (SCA) Line of couples?

Also from Meridies - I've never heard live music for it.
> Mediritza (Folk dance?)


Conrad

Hi there,

Got a message from Genevieve, who's running A&S at Lilies this year.

>I am in the process of planning the Arts and Science Activities for the
Lillies War.  I was >wondering if you are interested in having any A & S
competitions connected or related >to the ball this year??

Well, I'm not real big on competitions, but I  know other people are.  What
do you all think?

katriana

Could be interesting...

I'm not sure if anyone would bother, though. For Crystal Ball this year, the
A&S competition was to create a dance to match a song that I picked for the
occasion. We made tapes ahead of time so people had plenty of time to come up
with a dance. No one did. I was disappointed.

What are some other ideas that would draw people in sort of last minute.
Wasn't there a competition a year or so ago about spiffiest garb present at
the ball? Maybe another one could be the dancing couple that most entertains
the musicians (or am I biased?).

Conrad, wasn't there some sort of competition at Gulf Wars last year? I can't
remember what it was now.

Conna

Katriana wrote:
>
> From: Katriana <katriana@...>
>
> Hi there,
>
> Got a message from Genevieve, who's running A&S at Lilies this year.
>
> >I am in the process of planning the Arts and Science Activities for the
> Lillies War.  I was >wondering if you are interested in having any A & S
> competitions connected or related >to the ball this year??
>
> Well, I'm not real big on competitions, but I  know other people are.  What
> do you all think?
>
> katriana
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I was waiting a little to see if their were any other ideas.

I've got 2 ideas for Ball based contests. I would like them
both to be War Points. The first is the now mostly traditional
attendance WP. I would like it to be during the last dance of
the first set. Something easy and fun - Trenchmore maybe.

The second is a bit more competition-like and here I was inspired
some by what was done a gulf wars last year. A head to head
competition of dance performances, one done by each side.
Each side gets to choose its best entry however they want, any
time prior to the ball. During the first break each side will
perform their dance. Results judeged almost immediately.
Non-selected entries could be perfoemed during later breaks.

Preliminary criteria

Level 1
   Performance (16)

Level 2 (8 each)
   Music (bonus points for live music!)
   Style (participants having fun1!)
   Authenticity (period reconstruction or very period-like original)
   Audience response

Level 3 (4 each)
   Documentation (3x5 index card)
   Garb (similar, appropriate to time and place)
   Complexity
   Teachability

Coments?

Conrad


> What are some other ideas that would draw people in sort of
> last minute.
> Wasn't there a competition a year or so ago about spiffiest
> garb present at
> the ball? Maybe another one could be the dancing couple that
> most entertains
> the musicians (or am I biased?).
>
> Conrad, wasn't there some sort of competition at Gulf Wars
> last year? I can't
> remember what it was now.
>
> Conna
>
> Katriana wrote:

> > Got a message from Genevieve, who's running A&S at Lilies this year.
> >
> > >I am in the process of planning the Arts and Science
> Activities for the
> > Lillies War.  I was >wondering if you are interested in
> having any A & S
> > competitions connected or related >to the ball this year??

Hi there,

I've signed up to teach dance all day at RUSH in Oakheart.  The morning
will be intro to dance and afternoon will be Lilies ball dances.  Anybody
who wants to spell me (especially in the afternoon for the dances I don't
know) is welcome to email me.  I mainly wanted to reserve the room for
dancing and get the classes on the schedule.  Not that I can't talk about
dance for 6 hours, but there are a lot of dances that I know the music
better than the steps :-)

katriana

> I've signed up to teach dance all day at RUSH in Oakheart.
> The morning
> will be intro to dance and afternoon will be Lilies ball
> dances.  Anybody
> who wants to spell me (especially in the afternoon for the
> dances I don't
> know) is welcome to email me.  I mainly wanted to reserve the room for
> dancing and get the classes on the schedule.  Not that I
> can't talk about
> dance for 6 hours, but there are a lot of dances that I know the music
> better than the steps :-)
>

katriana

I'll be there. I'm glad things got on the list. Tammar was trying to
get a hold of me, but I was away at Estrella. Now that I'm back, she's
away and won't be back till tuesday - after the mews deadline.

which of the ball dances do you know the music - maybe we could start
with these.

Conrad

Hi all

Due to the lead time, now is the time to start thinking
about dance (RUSH) classes at lilies. If things go well
we should have the grand pavilion for 4 hours per day.

10-12 Noon and 1 -3 PM Mon-Thur. If anyone really wants
to teach dance outside of this get with me (OR HE Shajar)
real soon. RUSH will be open on the first sunday, do we
want to have classes then?

Note on Tue and Thur war battles will begin at 11 AM.
The ball is on Thurs.

I would like to get a collection of dance teachers from
all over the Kingdom (and even beyond). The only thing
I would really like to see is that all the dances on the
ball list get taught sometime during the week.
(I'm just talking the ball proper, not the request list).
See the link below for the list:

http://calontir.sca.org/artsci/dance/lilies-ball/dance-list.html


If we have musicians willing to play for some (or all?)
of the classes that would be great.

A topic for discussion, do people prefer to have similar
dances in the same class or have classes with different
types of dances (all about the same complexity).

Please forward this message to any dance teachers who
are not on this list.

Conrad