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From: Stewart, Sara [mailto:stewarts@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:02 PM
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] new people !-15th century Italian

There are unfortunately as yet no real good source for 15^th century Italian before 1450 or so (Domenico, and a little later Ebrero and cornanzano ). One of Ebrero's dance book is even on line.There are a couple of sources that discuss dance but they date from near the same year.( Magliabechiana Cod. XXV, 24)

There have been some new manuscripts found but I believe these too fall into the second half of the 15^th century.

There are discussions of styles of steps done in the 14^th century / early 15^th century(i.e. saltarello) , However while we have extant music for this time period, no choreographies have as yet been discovered, and even the step descriptions are sketchy.

There are some French basse dances that we have choreographies for from earlier in the 15^th century.

Hope that helps

Seonaid

 

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Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:32 PM
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Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] new people !

 

Ooo...a question I can answer: I was looking through all the Calontir/SCA Yahoo! groups and saw this one and had to sign up. *nodsnods* That and since I have been working on a dance minor in college...it only seemed fitting to join in the fun.

 

As to what should be discussed...I'd say that standard things: dance events, new or interesting research information, etc etc.

 

Speaking of which...does anyone have any information or good resources to dig through regarding Italian Court Dances between the years 1420 and 1452?

Grazi,

Giudo

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Hi all

Well we've had an larger than normal number of new members sign up recently.

What brought everyone here? Its usually a pretty quiet list. What would people

like to see talked about here.

Everyone can feel free to put things on the list, not just the new people.

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Three thoughts on simplistic court dances...

1)  It can be argued persuasively that one reason our records of many court
dances are simplistic are that they are a base form upon which improvisation
may be done.  Glancing at Arbeau quickly I got improvisation recommended for
pavane, galliard, lavolta, alman, double branle.  And that is without a
close reading.  Doubtless the same is true for some other dances if not for
all.

N.B. Yes, this does mean that too close following of the written sources can
result in a less authentic dance, for certain dances.

The dance reconstructer thus should also be able to include allowable
variations, at what points in the music which variations can be done, and in
couple dances how one partner would signal the other partner that a
particular variation.  For example Arbeau's description of how to lead in
Lavolta begs for clarification.

2)  Yes some dances are more complex then others, and therefore have
potentially higher scores in the complexity category then others.  (As
Conrad notes this is not a problem limited to dance, some competitions have
even removed complexity from the criteria, or kept it but not added it in to
the overall score)   Remember that you can include complementary material
when it is relevant, not just where and when was the dance done, but indoors
or outdoors?, which seasons?  by which classes?  by which age groups?
wearing what?  On a wood floor?, tile? grass? what musical instruments were
available and how skilled were the dance musicians?  All of these questions
can affect the style of the dance.  The hornpipe is was popular with sailors
partly because it could be done without a partner in a crowded space (such
as a quarter-deck).  The intricate styling in 19th century Serbian women's
dances is closely connected with the rather restrictive women's skirts.
Oriental cultures that used to bind women's feet strongly reflect that in
their dances.  Dances done by the populace sometimes include opportunities
to flirt, dances done for an audience by the dance professionals (whether
Byzantine, Japanese, or late period French) may include mimed courtship but
tend to lack real opportunities for the participants to flirt.

I am currently learning Buffens (the sword dance) from Arbeau.  The height
of the ceiling can interfere with some of the styling.  Even without further
proof, this would suggest that it was unlikely to be done in lower class
dwellings, which tend to have low roofs.

3)  In many cases the more simple dances were rarely done alone.  The double
bransle would be done as the start of a bransle suite, The pavane would be
followed by a galliard.  Don't stop after doing part, do the whole thing
like it would be done in period.

Breichiol map Lludd o Fannauc
(known among the saesneg as Mableth)
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Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] dance reconstruction criteria


> >My one question about the complexity issue: If the group that is doing
the recreation tries to do any Court dances, many of >those are very
simplistic in dance steps and allow little to no variation from the
original.
>
>
> OK this is a question that has been brought up in some of the private
feedback I have gotten.
>
> The generic criteria for complexit is "- Rank the ambition of the entry,
NOT the workmanship"
>
> Can/should this be judged according the the generic complex dance of that
type or
> is there an "absolute" scale over all dance in period?
>
> Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most
complex English Country Dance?
> If yes will that allow people to score well using potentially easier
dances?
> If no would that hurt people who mostly study one era/local because the
like it, gasp, its their persona's?
>
> Something has been done in this regard with costuming where theres an
early, middle and late period category.
> Therefore a properly made norese dress can compete with a tudor dress.
>
> So please discus this point :)
>
>
> >Are they any ways to judge against the authenticity to determine if the
complexity factor should be taken into account?
>
> I'm not sure how this would effect/be effected by Authenticity. In
reconstruction you don't want to "make up"
> anything unless you have to. Some sources for all eras/places have
omissions or seemingly contradictory
> instructions - working around those successfully can lead to increased
complexity, but you should never loose
> points (or fail to gain them) if you don't need to alter anything.
>
> Conrad
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Hi there:

"Slick, Jeremy J." wrote:

>My one question about the complexity issue: If the group that is doing the
> recreation tries to do any Court dances, many of those are very simplistic in
> dance steps and allow little to no variation from the original.

I think this is a simplistic representation of Court dance.  Most of the 16th c.
manuals, at least, deal with improvisation, which is a great way to add
complexity.  I think all of the manuals talk about how dances must be done in
context (modified based on space, instruments, your partner's abilities, etc.).
So there are many ways a reconstructor can add complexity (besides doing their
own translations, step interpretations, correlations with other sources, etc.).

After doing Rostiboli Gioioso once at a feast, a visitor from another kingdom
confided that she had intended to "kidnap" into the dance, but when she saw the
"connection" between me and my lady, she couldn't bear to break us apart.  Since
we WERE being formal and staid, I consider this a great compliment on our
ability to use subtle gestures.  I have known many "accomplished" dancers that
are oblivious to this aspect of dance.
>
"Sauer, Michael F." wrote:

> Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most
> complex English Country Dance?

It depends on the complexity of the project, not just the dance.  Did the branle
involve translating from french?  Does the ECD have a complex pattern that can
read strait out of Playford?

Complexity is (to me) largely a measure of how much work was involved in
understanding, interpreting, and presenting the material (including, in the case
of dance, remembering long sequences).  If this was not difficult (you read one
transcription of Quadran Pavan and performed it using steps learned at a
practice), then complexity must be low - if you want a higher score, then pick a
different dance, or do more work.

In the case a Quadran Pavan, there are more than half a dozen manuscripts that
describe the dance.  One may transcribe these, compare them, discuss the context
of the manuscripts and the dance environment, and contrast other contemporary
dances.  Perhaps there is a progression between the manuscripts that shows how
the dance changed over one hundred years.  This research and analysis will make
any reconstruction more complex (and complete).

By comparison, a 15th c. italian dance from Ebreo may or may not be very
complex.  Simply reading Sparti's translation of one dance and performing it
(again) using steps you learned at practice, is not very complex.  Even though
all of Ebreo's dances are, themselves, more complex than Quadran Pavan.  On the
other hand, doing your own transcription and translation from an italian
facsimile is automatically fairly complex, and if you perform the same
comparisons with other dances, manuscripts, etc., this project would be even
more complex than any English dance reconstruction could ever be.

For most 16th. c. dances you can create your own "solo" section, using a mix of
galliard steps, cut steps, etc.

The recognition and interpretation of obscure, confusing, and/or incomplete
instructions is also vital.

As a competition judge (in the Outlands), I have found documentation the key:
if one entry looks impressive but doesn't tell me what was involved in its
research and preparation, then it cannot receive full marks for authenticity,
creativity, or complexity.  At the same time, a well documented entry tells me
see not only what the person knows, but also helps me understand the importance
of elements that I might have missed.  Whenever possible, I ask questions -
sometimes because I am curious, but usually to give the entrant a chance to show
how this entry is special.

Until I started judging, I never had a full appreciation of just how valuable
documentation is - not to prove you can write a term paper or dissertation, but
to explain what you did, how you did it, what choices were made, and why, etc.

Keith / Guillaume   S:}>
Denver / Outlands

A brief example:  "This dance comes from Arbeau's Orchesography, published in
France in 1589.  I used the English translation by Mary Stuart Evans; it is the
only period dance book in our library./P  Branles were one popular style of
dance at upper class parties.  Some others were the sedate almans and energetic
galliards./P  While the basic pattern of this branle is not incredibly complex,
I have ornamented it with the cut steps that Arbeau recommends.  Note that the
'doubles' are done with different galliard-like steps on each repeat.  Such
improvisational displays by better dancers were considered stylish./P  The
recording that I use is by the prestigious New York Renaissance Band, and was
intended to be danced to."

In music performance, it's easier to score more points with a more complex
piece. But you can receive extra points on a simple piece if it's ornamented
in a period style.

Conna

Conrad wrote:

>
> Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most
> complex English Country Dance?
> If yes will that allow people to score well using potentially easier dances?
> If no would that hurt people who mostly study one era/local because the like
> it, gasp, its their persona's?
>
> Something has been done in this regard with costuming where theres an early,
> middle and late period category.
> Therefore a properly made norese dress can compete with a tudor dress.
>
> So please discus this point :)
>

>In music performance, it's easier to score more points with a more complex
>piece. But you can receive extra points on a simple piece if it's ornamented
>in a period style.

>Conna

I think the key word here is performance vs. reconstruction.
I think dance reconstruction is more similar to music transcription.

How would embellishments be handled when transcribing music?

In dance performance adding appropriate ornamentation would
definitely increase the complexity of something.

I'm not sure if we want to go there for reconstruction. IMO the definition
of ornamentation is "something extra to do that the dance master doesn't
bother to write down when and where to do it" - so adding ornamentations
while fine for the performance (which isn't judged directly for a
reconstruction)
would not necessarily make the reconstruction harder.

In many ways the performance is just so people can see how things work, the
actual result
is how to do a dance not the dance itself.

Conrad



Conrad wrote:

>
> Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most
> complex English Country Dance?
> If yes will that allow people to score well using potentially easier dances?
> If no would that hurt people who mostly study one era/local because the like
> it, gasp, its their persona's?
>
> Something has been done in this regard with costuming where theres an early,
> middle and late period category.
> Therefore a properly made norese dress can compete with a tudor dress.
>
> So please discus this point :)
>



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Yes, you're absolutely right. Embellishments should _not_ be included in a
transcription. Doing so would change them from embellishments to required
bits, and that would be inaccurate.

There are examples of music written down in which a later version has the
embellishments written in as part of the music. That's the evolution over
time of a simple tune that's been embellished a lot. For a music
transcription entry, I think it would be reasonable to allow for extra
points if the entrant included a section in the documentation describing the
types of embellishment that would be appropriate and a second copy of the
music showing some of this embellishment.

So, for dance reconstruction, extra point if embellishments are discussed in
the documentation? Maybe I'm pushing it here. I'd like people to choose a
dance style appropriate for their persona and not get docked on points
because it's a simpler style.

Conna

> From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
> Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:20:25 -0500
> To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] dance reconstruction criteria
>
>
>> In music performance, it's easier to score more points with a more complex
>> piece. But you can receive extra points on a simple piece if it's ornamented
>> in a period style.
>
>> Conna
>
> I think the key word here is performance vs. reconstruction.
> I think dance reconstruction is more similar to music transcription.
>
> How would embellishments be handled when transcribing music?
>
> In dance performance adding appropriate ornamentation would
> definitely increase the complexity of something.
>
> I'm not sure if we want to go there for reconstruction. IMO the definition
> of ornamentation is "something extra to do that the dance master doesn't
> bother to write down when and where to do it" - so adding ornamentations
> while fine for the performance (which isn't judged directly for a
> reconstruction)
> would not necessarily make the reconstruction harder.
>
> In many ways the performance is just so people can see how things work, the
> actual result
> is how to do a dance not the dance itself.
>
> Conrad
>
>
>
> Conrad wrote:
>
>>
>> Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most
>> complex English Country Dance?
>> If yes will that allow people to score well using potentially easier dances?
>> If no would that hurt people who mostly study one era/local because the like
>> it, gasp, its their persona's?
>>
>> Something has been done in this regard with costuming where theres an early,
>> middle and late period category.
>> Therefore a properly made norese dress can compete with a tudor dress.
>>
>> So please discus this point :)
>>
>
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Hi!  I recently joined this list I would like to introduce myself.  I
am Eyda, currently residing in the Midlands (central Ilinois), but
during most of the year I am with the College of Bellewode
(Kirksville, Mo, Truman State University).  I met a few of you and
learned about this group at Lilies, where I also decided I wanted to
learn a lot, lot more about dance.  If anyone knows where there will
be any good dancing or has any tips on how to get started with some
research of my own (mostly about German dance), I would appreciate
the information.
Thanks!
--Eyda

Do you speak German?  I got the impression in Drachenwald that much of the
material wasn't available in English.

Mableth


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Subject: [CalontirDance] new


> Hi!  I recently joined this list I would like to introduce myself.  I
> am Eyda, currently residing in the Midlands (central Ilinois), but
> during most of the year I am with the College of Bellewode
> (Kirksville, Mo, Truman State University).  I met a few of you and
> learned about this group at Lilies, where I also decided I wanted to
> learn a lot, lot more about dance.  If anyone knows where there will
> be any good dancing or has any tips on how to get started with some
> research of my own (mostly about German dance), I would appreciate
> the information.
> Thanks!
> --Eyda
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Do you speak German?  I got the impression in Drachenwald that much of the
material wasn't available in English.

Mableth


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> Hi!  I recently joined this list I would like to introduce myself.  I
> am Eyda, currently residing in the Midlands (central Ilinois), but
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> (Kirksville, Mo, Truman State University).  I met a few of you and
> learned about this group at Lilies, where I also decided I wanted to
> learn a lot, lot more about dance.  If anyone knows where there will
> be any good dancing or has any tips on how to get started with some
> research of my own (mostly about German dance), I would appreciate
> the information.
> Thanks!
> --Eyda
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>If anyone knows where there will be any good dancing

Well Pennsic of course and the Midrealm is know for dancing.
The Midrealm/Northshield will make a dance Laurel at Pennsic
(Etienne). Not sure what else is going on int that area over
the summer, all the big dance events I know of are late fall or
spring.

>or has any tips on how to get started with some
>research of my own (mostly about German dance), I would appreciate
>the information.

German dance is tough - to my knowledge thare are no widely available sources
of pre-1600 german dance. There is the Nurenburg manuscript but that seems
to be Italian style dances. Alemands are by popular myth thought to be german
in origin but I've never seen this documneted.

So theres a whole area for you to work on! Speaking/reading german will
certianly help. Find even one or two dances and you could be THE expert
in the field ;)

Here is the SCA Dance page with links to lots of stuff, all of which
I have not even explored. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance.html
I will also ask around a bit at Pennsic to see if there is anything
new out there.

Conrad

Hi there:

      I am the dance coordinator for Known World Costume Symposium III and Known
World Academy of the Rapier 2003.  These events will be held simultaneously
(yes, at the same time and place!) October 17 - 19 2003 in the Barony of Caerthe
(Denver, Colorado).  One entire track of classes will be devoted to dance
classes, and I still have a few slots open.

KWCS III / KWAR is nearly three months away, but the pre-registration cut-off is
much closer - July 31!  What does this mean?  Well, if you pre-register (and
write Lady Yukihana a check) before August 1, you can take a full 20% off your
registration fees, reducing the registration from $50 to $40 for two days of
classes, dancing, three meals, classes, notable speakers, parties, workshops,
entertainment, and classes. For more information - and to register - go to
http://www.caerthe.org/kwcs or http://www.caerthe.org/kwar

Note that, due to illness, we have a new registrar, Lady Tetsutaka Yukihana.
Please send checks to:

Michele Tillotson
2100 W. 100th Ave Lot #467
Thornton, CO  80260

(Since the web page hasn't been updated yet.)

If you are interested in teaching dance at this event, you may register for the
event and then register your class, or you may contact me for more information.

We now return you to your regular dance discussions.

Thank you.

Keith / Guillaume S:}>

I am looking for the (sheet music) to the following dances:

1)  Well Hall    (it is a waltz tune for the dance Well Hall)
2)  Maltese Bransle  (Companions of St. Cecilia)
3)  Angus Reel   (Haste to the Wedding )
4)  We use Woodicock for Werligig  (Woodicock)
5)  Trenchmore   (I would like to find the music, Red House Reel )
6)  Upon a Summer's Day
7)  Black Nag

Also, there is a dance we got from Caerthe (Denver, Colorado)
titled   Espanoylet  (I don't know the name of the music used)

>Also, there is a dance we got from Caerthe (Denver, Colorado)
>titled   Espanoylet  (I don't know the name of the music used)

Just asking here, could this be a form of the name Spagnoletta?
If so there are 2 dances (different music it could refer to)
Lo Spagnoletta and Spagnoletta Regulata (spelling approximate on both).

Conrad

Here's a great sheet music site:
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Hendricks/

It may not have all the songs, but it will certainly have a few.

Conna


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> Subject: [CalontirDance] I am looking for the sheet music to several
> dances--please help.  Thank  you, Lady Barbara, al-Barran, Outlands
>
>
> I am looking for the (sheet music) to the following dances:
>
> 1)  Well Hall    (it is a waltz tune for the dance Well Hall)
> 2)  Maltese Bransle  (Companions of St. Cecilia)
> 3)  Angus Reel   (Haste to the Wedding )
> 4)  We use Woodicock for Werligig  (Woodicock)
> 5)  Trenchmore   (I would like to find the music, Red House Reel )
> 6)  Upon a Summer's Day
> 7)  Black Nag
>
> Also, there is a dance we got from Caerthe (Denver, Colorado)
> titled   Espanoylet  (I don't know the name of the music used)
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Hi there:

> >Also, there is a dance we got from Caerthe (Denver, Colorado)
> >titled   Espanoylet  (I don't know the name of the music used)
>
> Just asking here, could this be a form of the name Spagnoletta?
> If so there are 2 dances (different music it could refer to)
> Lo Spagnoletta and Spagnoletta Regulata (spelling approximate on both).

This is definitely different dance.  Both the music and steps are completely
different.  Espanyolet is a Catalan folk dance, as I recall.  As far as I know,
that's the name of the music.

I learned the dance 25 years ago, when it was only known in Caerthe.  As it was
told to me, the music came from an LP (that's an old fashioned vinyl record, to
you kids out there) that included instructions for the dance.  The person that
introduced the dance hasn't played in years, but if I dig around, I may be able
to track down some more details, at least.

Keith / Guillaume   S:}>

I've danced both, though not recently.  Seems to me they're different,
though I suppose that could be different interpretations.  Isn't Spagnole'
the one known informally as "obsequious grovelling"?  I learned that one
from Francesca di Pavia about 13 years ago.  She may not have the music but
should be able to point you in the correct direction.

Mableth

http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/dances-list.html
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Music/
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>
> >Also, there is a dance we got from Caerthe (Denver, Colorado)
> >titled   Espanoylet  (I don't know the name of the music used)
>
> Just asking here, could this be a form of the name Spagnoletta?
> If so there are 2 dances (different music it could refer to)
> Lo Spagnoletta and Spagnoletta Regulata (spelling approximate on both).
>
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I am looking for people to create a local Morris/English country
dance troupe in Wichita Kansas. If you're interested or know someone
who is email me at agent_biteme@....
Thanks,
Jamie

I am looking for people to create a local Morris/English country
dance troupe in Wichita Kansas. If you're interested or know someone
who is email me at agent_biteme@....
Thanks,
Jamie

Our court dance performance troupe is creating a group device and we
would like pictures or websites of pictures of a couple of dancers
in silhouette facing each other and any other pictures of couples and
groups of period court dancers (for other purposes).

If you have any pictures or ideas of sources, please email me as soon as
you can.

Thanks!

Yours in service to the dream,

Lady Barbara

krege@...

> I am looking for the origins of two dances--

1) Dargason
2) Circle Waltz

I also would like to find sheet music for "Well Hall".

Yours in service to the dream,

Lady Barbara
al-Barran, Outlands

> I am looking for the origins of two dances--
>1) Dargason

Dargason (also called Sedney sp?) is an English Country Dance
(Playford). I am not sure what edition.

Conrad

This is un-official so it might still change but everyone
can start planning what to take, and what you might want to
review before you get there.

http://reynardine.net/dance/CB03Classes.pdf

Conrad

Thanks Conrad! At least I know what I'm teaching now. Looks like I need to pull
out the cheat sheets cause I don't recall Saterello Regina offhand.

Rowan

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From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Date:  Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:49:53 -0600

>This is un-official so it might still change but everyone
>can start planning what to take, and what you might want to
>review before you get there.
>
>http://reynardine.net/dance/CB03Classes.pdf
>
>Conrad
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I am searching for someone to step up and be the Dancemaster or
mistress for the Lilies Ball coming up in June, 2004.  Please forward
a note to me no later than Nov.30th.  Kris Kinder will be the final
decision for the position so that music can be decided on very soon.
HL Marcella the Unknown,
Lilies Ball Coordinator

Having never done such a thing before, what are we talking about? Finding the
music? Setting the ball list? Teaching the RUSH classes?
Can you send me more info please?

Rowan

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From: "ladyboicewright" <ladyboicewright@...>
Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Date:  Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:37:32 -0000

>I am searching for someone to step up and be the Dancemaster or
>mistress for the Lilies Ball coming up in June, 2004.  Please forward
>a note to me no later than Nov.30th.  Kris Kinder will be the final
>decision for the position so that music can be decided on very soon.
>HL Marcella the Unknown,
>Lilies Ball Coordinator
>
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Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
rowan@...




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Hi

Sorry all I thought about this so much I thought I had already sent a reply.


To some level this job is what you want to make of it.
The things that need to be done is to accept whatever input you
feel is necessary and produce a "Ball List". Then provide
the choreography for the dances (especially if different from
the "standard"), make available to the masses  (PDF files on the web
is my suggestion with a few printed copies to take to events). Arrange
with 1 or more musicians that the music for all dances is covered. How
closely  the dance person works with the musicians is up to them, some
people have arranged for a musician leader and left it in their hands,
others  have interacted with the group as a whole.

Support stuff - get the ball on the schedule,
arrange for lighting, arrange for refreshments (optional but mostly expected
now).
arrange to get dances taught during RUSH classes at Lilies.
The person running the ball should not be responsible for teaching all of the
classes - we have enough teachers now not to overload any one person - but
should probably expect to teach 1 or 2 ball review sessions and 1 or 2 other
classes.

The battles will be during the day again this year - which will limit the
commitment of any who need to be on the field at those times.
We might also want to think about early evening classes, 5 PM on a day or two.

In the past the ball person has usually ended up being the master class
scheduler
for dance, mostly because they were the "visible person who knew what needed to
be
taught", but they don't have to be the same person. Again we have more people
now so we might not need to put the whole thing on one set of shoulders any
more.

Lastly we in some ways might want to likewise separate off the position of
host or default caller from the planner, not everyone who could plan a good
ball,
can or likes to run the show the night of - though if they want to this is fine.
This has started to happen a little as a few people have played rotating caller
at the ball and the whole host thing is very informal anyway.

anybody else have thoughts on any of this?

Conrad
======================================================

Having never done such a thing before, what are we talking about? Finding the
music? Setting the ball list? Teaching the RUSH classes?
Can you send me more info please?

Rowan

Greetings Everyone

I know it seems like the Lilier War is far far away as we trudge knee deep
in holday madness - but just for you early thingers and planner who cant
resit an advance sneak peek - here's the set list for this year's Lillies
Ball. (don't worry procrastinators - it'll get posted again closer to the
actual relevant timeframe - ;) )

Lilies Ball XX

Set I
Carolingian Pavane (and Galliard)
Gathering Peascods
Anello
My Lady Cullen
Official Bransle
Black Alman

Set II
Heralds in Love
Contrapasso in Due
Petit Riens
Ly Bens Dystonis
Hearts Ease
Il Piantions(The Pinwheel Game)

Set III
Maanschaft Pavane
Lorraine Alman
Korrobushka
Black Nag
Gelosia
Jenny Pluck Pears

Set IV
Picking of Sticks
Amoroso
Bransle Charlotte
Rosti Bolli
Casuel Nouvelle
Bizzaria d’Amore

~ Pick-up/Request dancing to follow the Ball ~

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Greetings Dancers and Musicians,

Mark your calendars! A fun little event in the contact group of Riverwatch
(Dubuque, IA) will happen April 24th. (see Calontir website for event info
and directions)

There will be some dance classes during the day and an evening of social
dancing is planned. This looks to be a fun fun time and will be made even
more fun by your presence.

I am especially looking for live musicians for this event. Please e-mail me
privately if you would be kind enough to attend. I'll have a set list out
very soon (12 dances we know and love/loathe) and detest using recorded
music while knowing we have such a chunk-o-talent right here in Calontir.

I am also crossing my fingers and requesting those dancers who would like to
do a special performance to contact me directly. There are two breaks int he
evening, and while the dance will focus in social and easier dances, I would
love to see some wowza showoff during the breaks. Tessara anyone? lol

Looking forward to hearing from those interested in helping out. And looking
forward to danceing and playing with you all soon.

Thanks a million,

Tsire

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Heads Up! Its Dancing at Cheiftains!!

It has been decided (in the last week) that there will be a small
investature ball and desert revel following feast (probably from about
9-10pm) at Cheiftains on 2/21/04.

Everything is still pretty open on this - Conna's gathering live music
but the CDs will be there too. It will be in a different hall than
feast (aiding in feast cleanup). The dance list is wide open - I'll
probably put up a "Dance Card" in the hall for people to request
dances. I don't want to do ANY teaching at this - just straight dancing
or milling about the desert table talking.

Anyone with other ideas feel free to chime in.

Rowan

WAHOO!

I'll be there with bells on! -(okay maybe not bells, but for sure a big
hat-lol)

I'll help any way I can.

Tsire

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