Only 2 weeks until the Fourth Known World Dance & Music Symposium!

Friday, June 6th thru Sunday, June 8th.

The Symposium will be held in the Kingdom of Ansteorra, hosted by the
College of Threebridges. Mundanely, the University of Texas at Arlington, in
Arlington, Texas.

Come and join us for three days of dance classes and balls. Follow in the
footsteps of Negri, Arbeau, Playford and other choreographers or improve
your skills with the Middle-Eastern dancers. Come and participate in the joy
and merriment amidst lovely music and spirited dancers.

For more information please visit the website:
http://kwds.ansteorra.org

For questions, contact the event steward, Philip White:
philipwhite@...

Hope to see you there!

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Only 5 days until the Fourth Known World Dance & Music Symposium!

Friday, June 6th thru Sunday, June 8th.

The Symposium will be held in the Kingdom of Ansteorra, hosted by the
College of Threebridges. Mundanely, the University of Texas at Arlington, in
Arlington, Texas.

Come and join us for three days of dance classes and balls. Follow in the
footsteps of Negri, Arbeau, Playford and other choreographers or improve
your skills with the Middle-Eastern dancers. Come and participate in the joy
and merriment amidst lovely music and spirited dancers.

For more information please visit the website:
http://kwds.ansteorra.org

For questions, contact the event steward, Philip White:
philipwhite@...

Hope to see you there!

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First of all, my thanks to the musicians who showed up
and played.  Well, there were a few dances on the
class schedules and ball lists that I didn't have
"copyable" music on hand for.  I found most of it on
Del's Dance Book and Eric's SCA Dance Music Search
Engine.  My thanks to Morgan Ellisse for Alta Somaglia
and Brando di Cales and to Sheila Beardslee Bosworth
for her emergency transcription of Maraviglia d'Amore.


There is a very ugly webpage up right now with the
music I had to print:

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/scadance/index.html

And if anyone is coming to Lilies (this Saturday
through next Saturday) and would like to play at the
ball (Thursday, June 19), the music is available at:

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/treasurer/lilies2003/

katriana

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Well I hope everyone had a great time dancing at Lilies,
I know I did. Thanks to Tsire and Katriana for running everything
and all the other musicians who played and dancers that danced.

The pickup dancing on monday night outside Fernando's camp was great,
as were the Shattered Crystal night and of course the ball itself.

Sadly with this years battle schedule I only got to one day of classes,
so how did they go?

Any way to improve things, classes, balls pickup dancing (ways to make it
happen?)

Don't forget Katrianna's vigil and laurel ceremony at Kingdom A&S. I know there
will be some musicians playing for her, maybe we can get some dancing in -
not sure about the site layout or schedule. I will be very busy, so if someone
should see an opportunity and make it happen that would be great.

Next is Pennsic, the best dancing event in the known world, 8+ days of dancing
some of it on a bouncy wooden floor - makes doing all the skippy Italian stuff
so much more fun. And this year I gather there's a grand ball of the last
Friday,
thanks to moving up of all the courts and canceling of grand court. Yea!

I'll probably get to dance at Bonfield too again, but I don't expect to
see many of you there, but dancing at Valor is good too.

There will be some type of dancing at the Stones Byzantine event, though it
won't quite fit with the theme. Last year we even had some impromptu dancing
before things got started in large part because of some enthusiastic dancers and
1 musician from Bellwoode.

There may also be a regional dance practice somewhere in SW Missouri this fall.

Lastly on my schedule is Crystal Ball in November just across the river in the
Midrealm.
They moved it so it wouldn't conflict with our Crown Tournament, but will
probably
be on the same day as Calon Con - hopefully calon con will be in the vicinity so
those with commitments could do both.

If any else knows of events with dancing planer or wants to have dance please
post
stuff to this list. One thing I think we need to do more of is talk up dancing
activities
here and elsewhere.

hope everyone has a great summer

Conrad

I also really enjoyed all the dancing at this year's Lilies. It was an
amazing thing!

I have a question about the pickup dancing Monday night at Fernando's. Were
there people dancing there who usually don't dance? I'm curious. It seems to
me to be a really Good Thing to bring dancing to unusual places, as a way of
exposing more people to the joy of dancing. In front of Fernando's tent I
think qualifies as an unusual place. Did "new" people join in the dancing
there?

I hope to be one of the musicians playing from time to time at Katriana's
vigil. If you see me playing, please don't hesitate to give me requests if
you'd like to dance. I'm all for it!

Conna

> From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
> Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:30:41 -0500
> To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [CalontirDance] Lilies Dance and what's next
>
> Well I hope everyone had a great time dancing at Lilies,
> I know I did. Thanks to Tsire and Katriana for running everything
> and all the other musicians who played and dancers that danced.
>
> The pickup dancing on monday night outside Fernando's camp was great,
> as were the Shattered Crystal night and of course the ball itself.
>
> Sadly with this years battle schedule I only got to one day of classes,
> so how did they go?
>
> Any way to improve things, classes, balls pickup dancing (ways to make it
> happen?)
>
> Don't forget Katrianna's vigil and laurel ceremony at Kingdom A&S. I know
> there
> will be some musicians playing for her, maybe we can get some dancing in -
> not sure about the site layout or schedule. I will be very busy, so if someone
> should see an opportunity and make it happen that would be great.
>
> Next is Pennsic, the best dancing event in the known world, 8+ days of dancing
> some of it on a bouncy wooden floor - makes doing all the skippy Italian stuff
> so much more fun. And this year I gather there's a grand ball of the last
> Friday,
> thanks to moving up of all the courts and canceling of grand court. Yea!
>
> I'll probably get to dance at Bonfield too again, but I don't expect to
> see many of you there, but dancing at Valor is good too.
>
> There will be some type of dancing at the Stones Byzantine event, though it
> won't quite fit with the theme. Last year we even had some impromptu dancing
> before things got started in large part because of some enthusiastic dancers
> and
> 1 musician from Bellwoode.
>
> There may also be a regional dance practice somewhere in SW Missouri this
> fall.
>
> Lastly on my schedule is Crystal Ball in November just across the river in the
> Midrealm.
> They moved it so it wouldn't conflict with our Crown Tournament, but will
> probably
> be on the same day as Calon Con - hopefully calon con will be in the vicinity
> so
> those with commitments could do both.
>
> If any else knows of events with dancing planer or wants to have dance please
> post
> stuff to this list. One thing I think we need to do more of is talk up dancing
> activities
> here and elsewhere.
>
> hope everyone has a great summer
>
> Conrad
>
>
>
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General questions if anyone knows:

Ther is no A and S criteria for dance reconstruction. There is original choreography and dance performance, but reconstruction falls between these. Is reconstruction not enterable in an A&S competition then, and if it is, what category would you place it under?

Thank you,

Seonaid

 

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From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:03:48 -0500
To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] dance reconstuction

Probably because no one ever entered one before. If one gets entered we'll just have to
make up the criteria for it. :)

Conrad

General questions if anyone knows:

Ther is no A and S criteria for dance reconstruction. There is original choreography and dance performance, but reconstruction falls between these. Is reconstruction not enterable in an A&S competition then, and if it is, what category would you place it under?

Thank you,

Seonaid




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So it would be entered under miscellaneous arts?

 

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To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] dance reconstuction

 

Probably because no one ever entered one before. If one gets entered we'll just have to

make up the criteria for it. :)

 

Conrad 

General questions if anyone knows:

Ther is no A and S criteria for dance reconstruction. There is original choreography and dance performance, but reconstruction falls between these. Is reconstruction not enterable in an A&S competition then, and if it is, what category would you place it under?

Thank you,

Seonaid

 

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Not true! :)  Several years back (Summer 2000, I believe), I entered a dance
reconstruction into kingdom trilevels.  For the life of me I can't remember
which category I entered in--probably Dance Performance--but perhaps someone
on the kingdom level has records (mine are all boxed up in storage while I job
hunt).  I do remember, however, that whatever category I did use the judges
were quite willing to be flexible in the judging criteria.  Good luck (and
what dance are you entering?).

Katherine Mercer
ex-patriot Calontiri

>
>
>Probably because no one ever entered one before. If one gets entered we'll
just have to
>
>make up the criteria for it. :)
>
>
>
>Conrad
>
>General questions if anyone knows:
>
>Ther is no A and S criteria for dance reconstruction. There is original
choreography and dance performance, but reconstruction falls between these. Is
reconstruction not enterable in an A&S competition then, and if it is, what
category would you place it under?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Seonaid
>
>

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Jane Austen Aficionado, Renaissance Dancer, and Future Museum Professional
Extraordinaire
No one who had met Catherine would have supposed her to have been born a heroine
--JA
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Just be aware that you can easily end up knowing way more about the
subject than those judging your contest entry.  If you would rather
receive useful feedback instead of local recognition, why not put a
notice out on the SCA dance list, or the REN dance list?  If you offer
to email the choreography I bet you could get some very informed
commentary back.

Greetings and Salutations,
    I am Breichiol map LLudd o Fannauc, usually known as Mableth.  My
family and I reside in Shadowdale.  I have been dancing in the SCA for
23 years after starting in the then incipient college of Gnomountain
in Calontir then a Region of the Midrealm.  My lady-wife is named
Sigrid, who may very well post on her own.  We met at a mundane
English country dance.  We ran the most recent North East Calontir
regional dance practice.

I could use better dance music up here.  Most of my current resources
are on tape, and getting old from too many events.  I am looking both
for recommendations for which CD's to buy to support dances commonly
danced in Calontir, and for a source for travelling dance CD's.  I
don't have the ability to burn CD's.

I also want to thank Tsire for telling me about this list.  Somehow I
had never realized that it existed.  I subscribed to the SCA dance
list for a while, but left because there just wasn't very much useful
on it.

Mableth

Well this should be easy.
Suggested CDs:
NY Ren Band - Country Capers: Only problem with it is that the songs are
'bundled' so it can be a pain to cue the one you want
Music Subteranea - two nice CDs but I think the first (and more usefull one
IMHO) is out of print
Tape of Dance 2-4: Good selections,good versions, support Letter of Dance
Inns of Court: for all the pavans and almans

These are the four titles that I pull out most often. Dragon Scale Concert also
has a very nice CD out with beautiful - but a bit slow for dancing - tunes on
it. And Companions of St Cecilia is probably pulled out almost as often as the
Tapes of Dance.

Obtaining CDs: Even easier.
Tomes and Tunes carries a nice bundle of the Tape of Dance CDs and a few others,
Conrad has burned a couple of nice mixes from various sorces, and Eric burns CDs
and sells them at near cost to the SCA dance community. Go to
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html

Hope this helps.
Rowan

>Greetings and Salutations,
>   I am Breichiol map LLudd o Fannauc, usually known as Mableth.  My
>family and I reside in Shadowdale.  I have been dancing in the SCA for
>23 years after starting in the then incipient college of Gnomountain
>in Calontir then a Region of the Midrealm.  My lady-wife is named
>Sigrid, who may very well post on her own.  We met at a mundane
>English country dance.  We ran the most recent North East Calontir
>regional dance practice.
>
>I could use better dance music up here.  Most of my current resources
>are on tape, and getting old from too many events.  I am looking both
>for recommendations for which CD's to buy to support dances commonly
>danced in Calontir, and for a source for travelling dance CD's.  I
>don't have the ability to burn CD's.
>
>I also want to thank Tsire for telling me about this list.  Somehow I
>had never realized that it existed.  I subscribed to the SCA dance
>list for a while, but left because there just wasn't very much useful
>on it.
>
>Mableth
>
>
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From: "Rowan of Three Rivers" <rowan@...>
To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CalontirDance] Music Request and new list member intro


> Well this should be easy.
> Suggested CDs:
> NY Ren Band - Country Capers: Only problem with it is that the songs are
'bundled' so it can be a pain to cue the one you want

I've already got their Arbeau Orchesographie CD.  Quite useful. I thought
this one was out of print, but when I checked country capers is back in
print, and Orchesographie seems to be back out.

Music Subteranea - two nice CDs but I think the first (and more usefull one
IMHO) is out of print

http://musicasubterranea.dhs.org/order.html  according to their web page
both CDs have now been reprinted.

> Inns of Court: for all the pavans and almans

Is this the one by Jouissance?

> Obtaining CDs: Even easier.
> Tomes and Tunes carries a nice bundle of the Tape of Dance CDs and a few
others, Conrad has burned a couple of nice mixes from various sorces, and
Eric burns CDs and sells them at near cost to the SCA dance community. Go to
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html

I think the mix from Conrad was the one I was looking for for short term
use.  Those particular versions seem to be popular around her.  How can I
contact him???

Some of the others are likely to go onto my xmas gift list.

>
> Hope this helps.
> Rowan
>

Thanks, Mableth

By the way check out
http://www.harmoniamundi.com

They have finally put their catalog on the web.  Try searching their catalog
for dance.  For a really frustrating experience, try changing country and
going to the UK version of their site.  They list even more CD's.
apparently only part of their catalog is available in the US.

Hi there:

      The suggestions below are excellent.  If you would like a longer list,
(including those below), I have posted my "top ten" recommendations on the
Caerthen Dance web page at http://home.earthlink.net/~smcclune/dance.html (look
for the "Recommended Dance Music" link).  To the best of my ability, I have
included order information for each of the CDs.

My "top ten" is really ten sources, many with multiple CDs, plus two bonus
sources.  For instance, Tape of Dance is one source with 3 CDs and New York
Renaissance Band is one source with two CDs.

Keith / Guillaume    S:}>
Denver / Outlands

Rowan of Three Rivers wrote:
>
> Well this should be easy.
> Suggested CDs:
> NY Ren Band - Country Capers: Only problem with it is that the songs are
'bundled' so it can be a pain to cue the one you want
> Music Subteranea - two nice CDs but I think the first (and more usefull one
IMHO) is out of print
> Tape of Dance 2-4: Good selections,good versions, support Letter of Dance
> Inns of Court: for all the pavans and almans

If it's the one I danced in with you, then it was, in fact performance.

--Renko

--- "Catherine E. Dean" <cdean@...> wrote:
>Not true! :)  Several years back (Summer 2000, I believe), I entered a dance
>reconstruction into kingdom trilevels.  For the life of me I can't remember
>which category I entered in--probably Dance Performance--but perhaps someone
>on the kingdom level has records (mine are all boxed up in storage while I job
>hunt).  I do remember, however, that whatever category I did use the judges
>were quite willing to be flexible in the judging criteria.  Good luck (and
>what dance are you entering?).
>
>Katherine Mercer
>ex-patriot Calontiri
>
>>
>>
>>Probably because no one ever entered one before. If one gets entered we'll
>just have to
>>
>>make up the criteria for it. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>Conrad
>>
>>General questions if anyone knows:
>>
>>Ther is no A and S criteria for dance reconstruction. There is original
>choreography and dance performance, but reconstruction falls between these. Is
>reconstruction not enterable in an A&S competition then, and if it is, what
>category would you place it under?
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>Seonaid
>>
>>
>
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>cdean@...
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Extraordinaire
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Hi all

I'm trying to put together some judging criteria for
dance reconstruction - for this weekend - still haven't
head if they will be used. This is my first pass and
I would welcome any and all feedback. I really want some
different opinions to talk about. These have never been used
and are set in mud, squishy mud at that.

Reconstruction of a dance from a period text. Dance should be performed, but the performance itself will not be judged, limit of 10 minutes for the performance.
Note: For Renaissance Dance texts up to 1651 should be considered period.

DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - NOVICE

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None
• 1: 3x5 card with name of source and dance
• 2: 3x5 card with 1 plus any one of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period
• 3: 3x5 card with 1 plus any two of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period
• 4: 3x5 card with 1 plus any three of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Source not period or credible rendering of period source (for dance references up to 1651 should be considered period)
• 1: All basic steps fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 2: All complex steps fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 3: All patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 4: Overall period feel in steps, patterns and movement; fits the music.
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Only standard steps included, simple repetitive pattern
• Variety of steps used, including some nonstandard and/or multiple patterns
• Variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• Steps work in isolation, no major inconsistencies.
• Steps work well together, basic patters flow into one another.
• Whole patterns flow properly with each other and with the music.
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in reasonable fashion, justifiable for style of dance.
• Dance works as a whole together, flows with music.
• Verbal description of steps clear and understandable
  

CREATIVITY (1-6 points)

• All steps out of standard step dictionary, no significant patters
• All steps out of standard step dictionary, simple patters
• Non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in gaps, made alteration to make something work
• New interpretation of step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - INTERMEDIATE

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None or completely inaccurate
  
• 1: A copy of the dance to be reconstructed; annotated for source
• 2: Additional information( e.g. country and period of origin, characteristics of style for that period)
• 3: Written music for the dance
• 4: Discussion of the nature of setting/purpose of the dance (social, performance, appropriate garb and style etc.)
  

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Dance choreography not period, doesn't conform to accepted standards or deviations successfully described
• 1: Most/All steps and patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained
• 2: Dance only somewhat/minimally altered to make it work
• 3: All elements of the dance internally consistent.
• 4: Overall very period feel in steps, patterns and movement; fits the music well.
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Wide variety of steps used, including some nonstandard or complex ones and/or several simple or at least one complex pattern
• Wide variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
• Reconstruction required simple translation or moderate interpretation, little description available.
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• Steps work well in isolation and together
• Patterns flow well and fit music
• Choreography is appropriate for the time/place/style of the dance
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in logical fashion, fit well for style of dance.
• Dance works well as a whole together, flows with music.
• Written description clear and understandable
  

CREATIVITY (1-5 points)

• All steps out of standard step dictionary, simple patters
• Non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in large gaps, make significant alteration to make something work, results fit well with style
• Significant decisions about major element needed (I.e. facing, formation etc.)
• New interpolation of significant step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - ADVANCED

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None or inaccurate
• 1: A copy of the dance to be reconstructed; annotated for source, music, additional supporting documents (step dictionary, basic lexicon if in a foreign language)
• 2: A list and description of steps/patterns reconstructed, including justification for interpretation
• 3: Discussion of any non standard/difficult reconstruction
• 4: Comparison to other dances of the style/place/time
  

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Any significant element not period, doesn't conform to accepted standards or deviations successfully described
• 1: All steps and patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained
• 2: Dance only minimally altered/not altered to make it work
• 3: Steps/patterns agree with similar ones from other dances.
• 4: Overall very period feel in steps, patterns and movement, fits the music perfectly, minimum or no alterations
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Wide variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
• Reconstruction required complex translation or significant interpretation, little description or just a short annotation available.
• Entire style of dance needed to be interpreted
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• All steps and patterns work well together and flow to the music
• Styling is appropriate for time/place/style (e.g. period concepts of symmetry)
• Choreography allow the proper mood of the dance to be achieved.
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in proper fashion, indistinguishable from style of dance.
• Dance very works well as a whole together, flows with music.
• Written description clear and understandable; sufficient to learn the dance.
  

CREATIVITY (1-5 points)

• All basic steps as described, non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in large gaps, make significant alteration to make something work, results not noticeably different from rest of dance
• Significant decisions about fundamental element needed (I.e. tempo, repetition etc.)
• New interpretation of significant step or pattern successfully presented
• New interpretation of fundamental step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sauer, Michael F. [mailto:sauerm@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:26 PM
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CalontirDance] dance reconstruction criteria

Hi all

I'm trying to put together some judging criteria for
dance reconstruction - for this weekend - still haven't
head if they will be used. This is my first pass and
I would welcome any and all feedback. I really want some
different opinions to talk about. These have never been used
and are set in mud, squishy mud at that.

Sorry for the latge HTML post but thats the easiest format to work with.

If anyone wants a copy in word, pdf or html mailed directly to them, please email me.

thanks

Conrad

 

DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN
(New 7/2003)

Reconstruction of a dance from a period text. Dance should be performed, but the performance itself will not be judged, limit of 10 minutes for the performance.
Note: For Renaissance Dance texts up to 1651 should be considered period.

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Novice Intermediate Advanced

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DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - NOVICE

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None
• 1: 3x5 card with name of source and dance
• 2: 3x5 card with 1 plus any one of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period
• 3: 3x5 card with 1 plus any two of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period
• 4: 3x5 card with 1 plus any three of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Source not period or credible rendering of period source (for dance references up to 1651 should be considered period)
• 1: All basic steps fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 2: All complex steps fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 3: All patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 4: Overall period feel in steps, patterns and movement; fits the music.
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Only standard steps included, simple repetitive pattern
• Variety of steps used, including some nonstandard and/or multiple patterns
• Variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• Steps work in isolation, no major inconsistencies.
• Steps work well together, basic patters flow into one another.
• Whole patterns flow properly with each other and with the music.
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in reasonable fashion, justifiable for style of dance.
• Dance works as a whole together, flows with music.
• Verbal description of steps clear and understandable
  

CREATIVITY (1-6 points)

• All steps out of standard step dictionary, no significant patters
• All steps out of standard step dictionary, simple patters
• Non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in gaps, made alteration to make something work
• New interpretation of step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

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DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - INTERMEDIATE

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None or completely inaccurate
  
• 1: A copy of the dance to be reconstructed; annotated for source
• 2: Additional information( e.g. country and period of origin, characteristics of style for that period)
• 3: Written music for the dance
• 4: Discussion of the nature of setting/purpose of the dance (social, performance, appropriate garb and style etc.)
  

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Dance choreography not period, doesn't conform to accepted standards or deviations successfully described
• 1: Most/All steps and patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained
• 2: Dance only somewhat/minimally altered to make it work
• 3: All elements of the dance internally consistent.
• 4: Overall very period feel in steps, patterns and movement; fits the music well.
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Wide variety of steps used, including some nonstandard or complex ones and/or several simple or at least one complex pattern
• Wide variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
• Reconstruction required simple translation or moderate interpretation, little description available.
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• Steps work well in isolation and together
• Patterns flow well and fit music
• Choreography is appropriate for the time/place/style of the dance
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in logical fashion, fit well for style of dance.
• Dance works well as a whole together, flows with music.
• Written description clear and understandable
  

CREATIVITY (1-5 points)

• All steps out of standard step dictionary, simple patters
• Non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in large gaps, make significant alteration to make something work, results fit well with style
• Significant decisions about major element needed (I.e. facing, formation etc.)
• New interpolation of significant step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

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Novice Intermediate Advanced

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DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - ADVANCED

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None or inaccurate
• 1: A copy of the dance to be reconstructed; annotated for source, music, additional supporting documents (step dictionary, basic lexicon if in a foreign language)
• 2: A list and description of steps/patterns reconstructed, including justification for interpretation
• 3: Discussion of any non standard/difficult reconstruction
• 4: Comparison to other dances of the style/place/time
  

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Any significant element not period, doesn't conform to accepted standards or deviations successfully described
• 1: All steps and patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained
• 2: Dance only minimally altered/not altered to make it work
• 3: Steps/patterns agree with similar ones from other dances.
• 4: Overall very period feel in steps, patterns and movement, fits the music perfectly, minimum or no alterations
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Wide variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
• Reconstruction required complex translation or significant interpretation, little description or just a short annotation available.
• Entire style of dance needed to be interpreted
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• All steps and patterns work well together and flow to the music
• Styling is appropriate for time/place/style (e.g. period concepts of symmetry)
• Choreography allow the proper mood of the dance to be achieved.
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in proper fashion, indistinguishable from style of dance.
• Dance very works well as a whole together, flows with music.
• Written description clear and understandable; sufficient to learn the dance.
  

CREATIVITY (1-5 points)

• All basic steps as described, non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in large gaps, make significant alteration to make something work, results not noticeably different from rest of dance
• Significant decisions about fundamental element needed (I.e. tempo, repetition etc.)
• New interpretation of significant step or pattern successfully presented
• New interpretation of fundamental step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sauer, Michael F. [mailto:sauerm@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:27 PM
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CalontirDance] new people !

Hi all

Well we've had an larger than normal number of new members sign up recently.

What brought everyone here? Its usually a pretty quiet list. What would people

like to see talked about here.

Everyone can feel free to put things on the list, not just the new people.

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From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:25:45 -0500
To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [CalontirDance] dance reconstruction criteria

Hi all

I'm trying to put together some judging criteria for
dance reconstruction - for this weekend - still haven't
head if they will be used. This is my first pass and
I would welcome any and all feedback. I really want some
different opinions to talk about. These have never been used
and are set in mud, squishy mud at that.
Sorry for the latge HTML post but thats the easiest format to work with.
If anyone wants a copy in word, pdf or html mailed directly to them, please email me.

thanks

Conrad

DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN
(New 7/2003)

Reconstruction of a dance from a period text. Dance should be performed, but the performance itself will not be judged, limit of 10 minutes for the performance.
Note: For Renaissance Dance texts up to 1651 should be considered period.

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DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - NOVICE

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None
• 1: 3x5 card with name of source and dance
• 2: 3x5 card with 1 plus any one of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period
• 3: 3x5 card with 1 plus any two of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period
• 4: 3x5 card with 1 plus any three of; country of origin, time of origin, characteristics of style for that period
  

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Source not period or credible rendering of period source (for dance references up to 1651 should be considered period)
• 1: All basic steps fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 2: All complex steps fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 3: All patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained.
• 4: Overall period feel in steps, patterns and movement; fits the music.
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Only standard steps included, simple repetitive pattern
• Variety of steps used, including some nonstandard and/or multiple patterns
• Variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• Steps work in isolation, no major inconsistencies.
• Steps work well together, basic patters flow into one another.
• Whole patterns flow properly with each other and with the music.
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in reasonable fashion, justifiable for style of dance.
• Dance works as a whole together, flows with music.
• Verbal description of steps clear and understandable
  

CREATIVITY (1-6 points)

• All steps out of standard step dictionary, no significant patters
• All steps out of standard step dictionary, simple patters
• Non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in gaps, made alteration to make something work
• New interpretation of step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

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DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - INTERMEDIATE

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None or completely inaccurate
• 1: A copy of the dance to be reconstructed; annotated for source
• 2: Additional information( e.g. country and period of origin, characteristics of style for that period)
• 3: Written music for the dance
• 4: Discussion of the nature of setting/purpose of the dance (social, performance, appropriate garb and style etc.)
  

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Dance choreography not period, doesn't conform to accepted standards or deviations successfully described
• 1: Most/All steps and patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained
• 2: Dance only somewhat/minimally altered to make it work
• 3: All elements of the dance internally consistent.
• 4: Overall very period feel in steps, patterns and movement; fits the music well.
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Wide variety of steps used, including some nonstandard or complex ones and/or several simple or at least one complex pattern
• Wide variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
• Reconstruction required simple translation or moderate interpretation, little description available.
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• Steps work well in isolation and together
• Patterns flow well and fit music
• Choreography is appropriate for the time/place/style of the dance
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in logical fashion, fit well for style of dance.
• Dance works well as a whole together, flows with music.
• Written description clear and understandable
  

CREATIVITY (1-5 points)

• All steps out of standard step dictionary, simple patters
• Non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in large gaps, make significant alteration to make something work, results fit well with style
• Significant decisions about major element needed (I.e. facing, formation etc.)
• New interpolation of significant step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

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DANCE RECONSTRUCTION, EUROPEAN - ADVANCED

DOCUMENTATION (0-4 points)

• 0: None or inaccurate
• 1: A copy of the dance to be reconstructed; annotated for source, music, additional supporting documents (step dictionary, basic lexicon if in a foreign language)
• 2: A list and description of steps/patterns reconstructed, including justification for interpretation
• 3: Discussion of any non standard/difficult reconstruction
• 4: Comparison to other dances of the style/place/time
  

AUTHENTICITY (0-4 points)

• 0: Any significant element not period, doesn't conform to accepted standards or deviations successfully described
• 1: All steps and patterns fit accepted definitions or properly explained
• 2: Dance only minimally altered/not altered to make it work
• 3: Steps/patterns agree with similar ones from other dances.
• 4: Overall very period feel in steps, patterns and movement, fits the music perfectly, minimum or no alterations
  

COMPLEXITY (1-5 points) - Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the workmanship, on a scale of 1 to 5 based on the following:

• Wide variety of steps and patters of significant difficulty (e.g. simultaneous movement if not in simple arrangement)
• Uses of different tempo, direction changes and formations.
• Scope of endeavor (length, number of different steps, individual complexity, language, obscurity of source)
• Reconstruction required complex translation or significant interpretation, little description or just a short annotation available.
• Entire style of dance needed to be interpreted
  

WORKMANSHIP (1-6 points) - Rank the success of the attempt on a scale of 1 to 6 based on the following.

• All steps and patterns work well together and flow to the music
• Styling is appropriate for time/place/style (e.g. period concepts of symmetry)
• Choreography allow the proper mood of the dance to be achieved.
• Any gaps filled in/alterations made in proper fashion, indistinguishable from style of dance.
• Dance very works well as a whole together, flows with music.
• Written description clear and understandable; sufficient to learn the dance.
  

CREATIVITY (1-5 points)

• All basic steps as described, non basic step/pattern reconstructed as described
• Needed to fill in large gaps, make significant alteration to make something work, results not noticeably different from rest of dance
• Significant decisions about fundamental element needed (I.e. tempo, repetition etc.)
• New interpretation of significant step or pattern successfully presented
• New interpretation of fundamental step or pattern successfully presented
  

QUALITY (1-6 points)

Evaluate the work as a whole. NOTE: This category is subjective; however, the judge should take into account prior category scores, aesthetic appeal, presentation, intuitive response, and other such items not previously addressed.

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Greetings to All,

I just have couple questions; is there a group in the Kansas City Area
that meet for dance practice? If yes, where and when.

If not, the Shire of Dun Ard is thinking of getting an interest group
started. We are too small and don't have enough gentles to start one on
our own and would like to invite the surrounding Barony's,  Shires,
Canton, etc. to come and participate.

If there is an interest of getting together to dance, please contact me
at sdupuis@....

Together we can work on the little details like where, when and what.

Lady Anna Katarina von Liebenstein
Shire of Dun Ard

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>My one question about the complexity issue: If the group that is doing the
recreation tries to do any Court dances, many of >those are very simplistic in
dance steps and allow little to no variation from the original.


OK this is a question that has been brought up in some of the private feedback I
have gotten.

The generic criteria for complexit is "- Rank the ambition of the entry, NOT the
workmanship"

Can/should this be judged according the the generic complex dance of that type
or
is there an "absolute" scale over all dance in period?

Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most complex
English Country Dance?
If yes will that allow people to score well using potentially easier dances?
If no would that hurt people who mostly study one era/local because the like it,
gasp, its their persona's?

Something has been done in this regard with costuming where theres an early,
middle and late period category.
Therefore a properly made norese dress can compete with a tudor dress.

So please discus this point :)


>Are they any ways to judge against the authenticity to determine if the
complexity factor should be taken into account?

I'm not sure how this would effect/be effected by Authenticity. In
reconstruction you don't want to "make up"
anything unless you have to. Some sources for all eras/places have omissions or
seemingly contradictory
instructions - working around those successfully can lead to increased
complexity, but you should never loose
points (or fail to gain them) if you don't need to alter anything.

Conrad

-----Original Message-----
From: Sauer, Michael F. 

 >Are they any ways to judge against the authenticity to determine if the complexity factor should be taken into account?

I'm not sure how this would effect/be effected by Authenticity. In reconstruction you don't want to "make up"
anything unless you have to. Some sources for all eras/places have omissions or seemingly contradictory
instructions - working around those successfully can lead to increased complexity, but you should never loose
points (or fail to gain them) if you don't need to alter anything.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stewart, Sara [mailto:stewarts@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:02 PM
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] new people !-15th century Italian

There are unfortunately as yet no real good source for 15^th century Italian before 1450 or so (Domenico, and a little later Ebrero and cornanzano ). One of Ebrero's dance book is even on line.There are a couple of sources that discuss dance but they date from near the same year.( Magliabechiana Cod. XXV, 24)

There have been some new manuscripts found but I believe these too fall into the second half of the 15^th century.

There are discussions of styles of steps done in the 14^th century / early 15^th century(i.e. saltarello) , However while we have extant music for this time period, no choreographies have as yet been discovered, and even the step descriptions are sketchy.

There are some French basse dances that we have choreographies for from earlier in the 15^th century.

Hope that helps

Seonaid

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Slick, Jeremy J. [mailto:Jeremy.Slick@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] new people !

 

Ooo...a question I can answer: I was looking through all the Calontir/SCA Yahoo! groups and saw this one and had to sign up. *nodsnods* That and since I have been working on a dance minor in college...it only seemed fitting to join in the fun.

 

As to what should be discussed...I'd say that standard things: dance events, new or interesting research information, etc etc.

 

Speaking of which...does anyone have any information or good resources to dig through regarding Italian Court Dances between the years 1420 and 1452?

Grazi,

Giudo

-----Original Message-----
From: Sauer, Michael F. [mailto:sauerm@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:27 PM
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CalontirDance] new people !

Hi all

Well we've had an larger than normal number of new members sign up recently.

What brought everyone here? Its usually a pretty quiet list. What would people

like to see talked about here.

Everyone can feel free to put things on the list, not just the new people.

Conrad

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Three thoughts on simplistic court dances...

1)  It can be argued persuasively that one reason our records of many court
dances are simplistic are that they are a base form upon which improvisation
may be done.  Glancing at Arbeau quickly I got improvisation recommended for
pavane, galliard, lavolta, alman, double branle.  And that is without a
close reading.  Doubtless the same is true for some other dances if not for
all.

N.B. Yes, this does mean that too close following of the written sources can
result in a less authentic dance, for certain dances.

The dance reconstructer thus should also be able to include allowable
variations, at what points in the music which variations can be done, and in
couple dances how one partner would signal the other partner that a
particular variation.  For example Arbeau's description of how to lead in
Lavolta begs for clarification.

2)  Yes some dances are more complex then others, and therefore have
potentially higher scores in the complexity category then others.  (As
Conrad notes this is not a problem limited to dance, some competitions have
even removed complexity from the criteria, or kept it but not added it in to
the overall score)   Remember that you can include complementary material
when it is relevant, not just where and when was the dance done, but indoors
or outdoors?, which seasons?  by which classes?  by which age groups?
wearing what?  On a wood floor?, tile? grass? what musical instruments were
available and how skilled were the dance musicians?  All of these questions
can affect the style of the dance.  The hornpipe is was popular with sailors
partly because it could be done without a partner in a crowded space (such
as a quarter-deck).  The intricate styling in 19th century Serbian women's
dances is closely connected with the rather restrictive women's skirts.
Oriental cultures that used to bind women's feet strongly reflect that in
their dances.  Dances done by the populace sometimes include opportunities
to flirt, dances done for an audience by the dance professionals (whether
Byzantine, Japanese, or late period French) may include mimed courtship but
tend to lack real opportunities for the participants to flirt.

I am currently learning Buffens (the sword dance) from Arbeau.  The height
of the ceiling can interfere with some of the styling.  Even without further
proof, this would suggest that it was unlikely to be done in lower class
dwellings, which tend to have low roofs.

3)  In many cases the more simple dances were rarely done alone.  The double
bransle would be done as the start of a bransle suite, The pavane would be
followed by a galliard.  Don't stop after doing part, do the whole thing
like it would be done in period.

Breichiol map Lludd o Fannauc
(known among the saesneg as Mableth)
morris@...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: [CalontirDance] dance reconstruction criteria


> >My one question about the complexity issue: If the group that is doing
the recreation tries to do any Court dances, many of >those are very
simplistic in dance steps and allow little to no variation from the
original.
>
>
> OK this is a question that has been brought up in some of the private
feedback I have gotten.
>
> The generic criteria for complexit is "- Rank the ambition of the entry,
NOT the workmanship"
>
> Can/should this be judged according the the generic complex dance of that
type or
> is there an "absolute" scale over all dance in period?
>
> Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most
complex English Country Dance?
> If yes will that allow people to score well using potentially easier
dances?
> If no would that hurt people who mostly study one era/local because the
like it, gasp, its their persona's?
>
> Something has been done in this regard with costuming where theres an
early, middle and late period category.
> Therefore a properly made norese dress can compete with a tudor dress.
>
> So please discus this point :)
>
>
> >Are they any ways to judge against the authenticity to determine if the
complexity factor should be taken into account?
>
> I'm not sure how this would effect/be effected by Authenticity. In
reconstruction you don't want to "make up"
> anything unless you have to. Some sources for all eras/places have
omissions or seemingly contradictory
> instructions - working around those successfully can lead to increased
complexity, but you should never loose
> points (or fail to gain them) if you don't need to alter anything.
>
> Conrad
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Hi there:

"Slick, Jeremy J." wrote:

>My one question about the complexity issue: If the group that is doing the
> recreation tries to do any Court dances, many of those are very simplistic in
> dance steps and allow little to no variation from the original.

I think this is a simplistic representation of Court dance.  Most of the 16th c.
manuals, at least, deal with improvisation, which is a great way to add
complexity.  I think all of the manuals talk about how dances must be done in
context (modified based on space, instruments, your partner's abilities, etc.).
So there are many ways a reconstructor can add complexity (besides doing their
own translations, step interpretations, correlations with other sources, etc.).

After doing Rostiboli Gioioso once at a feast, a visitor from another kingdom
confided that she had intended to "kidnap" into the dance, but when she saw the
"connection" between me and my lady, she couldn't bear to break us apart.  Since
we WERE being formal and staid, I consider this a great compliment on our
ability to use subtle gestures.  I have known many "accomplished" dancers that
are oblivious to this aspect of dance.
>
"Sauer, Michael F." wrote:

> Should a reconstruction of the most complex bransle be equal to the most
> complex English Country Dance?

It depends on the complexity of the project, not just the dance.  Did the branle
involve translating from french?  Does the ECD have a complex pattern that can
read strait out of Playford?

Complexity is (to me) largely a measure of how much work was involved in
understanding, interpreting, and presenting the material (including, in the case
of dance, remembering long sequences).  If this was not difficult (you read one
transcription of Quadran Pavan and performed it using steps learned at a
practice), then complexity must be low - if you want a higher score, then pick a
different dance, or do more work.

In the case a Quadran Pavan, there are more than half a dozen manuscripts that
describe the dance.  One may transcribe these, compare them, discuss the context
of the manuscripts and the dance environment, and contrast other contemporary
dances.  Perhaps there is a progression between the manuscripts that shows how
the dance changed over one hundred years.  This research and analysis will make
any reconstruction more complex (and complete).

By comparison, a 15th c. italian dance from Ebreo may or may not be very
complex.  Simply reading Sparti's translation of one dance and performing it
(again) using steps you learned at practice, is not very complex.  Even though
all of Ebreo's dances are, themselves, more complex than Quadran Pavan.  On the
other hand, doing your own transcription and translation from an italian
facsimile is automatically fairly complex, and if you perform the same
comparisons with other dances, manuscripts, etc., this project would be even
more complex than any English dance reconstruction could ever be.

For most 16th. c. dances you can create your own "solo" section, using a mix of
galliard steps, cut steps, etc.

The recognition and interpretation of obscure, confusing, and/or incomplete
instructions is also vital.

As a competition judge (in the Outlands), I have found documentation the key:
if one entry looks impressive but doesn't tell me what was involved in its
research and preparation, then it cannot receive full marks for authenticity,
creativity, or complexity.  At the same time, a well documented entry tells me
see not only what the person knows, but also helps me understand the importance
of elements that I might have missed.  Whenever possible, I ask questions -
sometimes because I am curious, but usually to give the entrant a chance to show
how this entry is special.

Until I started judging, I never had a full appreciation of just how valuable
documentation is - not to prove you can write a term paper or dissertation, but
to explain what you did, how you did it, what choices were made, and why, etc.

Keith / Guillaume   S:}>
Denver / Outlands

A brief example:  "This dance comes from Arbeau's Orchesography, published in
France in 1589.  I used the English translation by Mary Stuart Evans; it is the
only period dance book in our library./P  Branles were one popular style of
dance at upper class parties.  Some others were the sedate almans and energetic
galliards./P  While the basic pattern of this branle is not incredibly complex,
I have ornamented it with the cut steps that Arbeau recommends.  Note that the
'doubles' are done with different galliard-like steps on each repeat.  Such
improvisational displays by better dancers were considered stylish./P  The
recording that I use is by the prestigious New York Renaissance Band, and was
intended to be danced to."