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#173 From: Lady Phoebe apo Korinthos <mkspet@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2001 7:59 pm
Subject: Lilies Dance Packet
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I was wondering if I can get a dance packet for Lilies? I have asked Conrad
for one each time I have seen him at an event, but he doesn't have
any.  Could someone please mail me one.....

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#174 From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2001 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies Dance Packet
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Info on obtaining packets is available on the Lilies web site on the dance page.
Lady Sarah (Tsire?) is in charge. Hope this helps.
Conna

Lady Phoebe apo Korinthos wrote:

> I was wondering if I can get a dance packet for Lilies? I have asked Conrad
> for one each time I have seen him at an event, but he doesn't have
> any.  Could someone please mail me one.....
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#175 From: "Tsire Tuzevo" <tsire@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2001 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies ball music questions
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Hi all Musicians for Lillies from the Ball Brat Tsire


Answers that I can think of:


Could we possibly play Grimstock and Rufty Tufty in G?
Fine with me as long as all agree on it.

Rostiboli and Gelosia are missing the ends of the dances if we are doing
the versions out of Joy and Jealosy.  Are we doing different versions?
Traditional or more comfortable versions are always acceptable again,
agreement is the key.


> > Anello shows a repeat of the last section.  Are we doing the repeat the
>music shows?

again, same answer, tradition, comfort and agreement are key.


> > Hearts Ease shows the first part repeating, but that will make 4 times
> > through the "verse" part.  Are we doing the dance differently?

3 times please



> > Dashing White Sergeant and Road to the Isles aren't included, not a
> > problem, 'cause I've got sheet music.  Are we doing Road to the Isles or
>Scotland the Brave?
Thsi is a favorite distinction of your Katriana :)  _ We are doing the most
widely accepted Scotland the Brave...not the flok song Road tot he Isles.

Yay for sheet music for dashing White Seargeant, I was unable to find a copy
..Katriana saves my rear again! All hail the sheet music vortex.
Let me know what else I can do to make this as spiffy as possible for all
musicians who are good enough to play for us silly old dancer types!

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#176 From: Katriana <katriana@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2001 10:21 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies ball music questions
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At 03:04 PM 5/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi all Musicians for Lillies from the Ball Brat Tsire

>Traditional or more comfortable versions are always acceptable again,
>agreement is the key.

The big concern is that we practice the music the way it will be danced.
If we practice the version of Rostiboli out of Joy and Jealousy and then
the dance taught at Lilies matches the Lilies music and DOESN'T have the
saltarellos and movimentos at the end, then the musicians will (once again)
confuse the dancers.  If we practice the music provided and the dancers are
expecting to saltarello and we start again with the beginning, the same
problem occurs.  Are the steps as they will be done at the ball available?

>> > Hearts Ease shows the first part repeating, but that will make 4 times
>> > through the "verse" part.  Are we doing the dance differently?
>
>3 times please

OK, so you want it to be "up a double and back, that again, that again"
then the chorus?

Or are you affirming that there are 3 verses total?

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol2/hearts_ease.html (article with the 1st
edition) and
http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/playford/40.html (2nd edition) shows that the
"verse" part goes through 2 times for each verse, the action and "that
again" and that's the way I've always played it.  Phaedra's music shows 4
times through the "verse  music" (a repeat written out and also a repeat
symbol!)
(and for those who haven't seen the originals before, the music repeats are
down in the dance instructions)

I'll get the music for scotland and dashing white sergeants up as soon as I
can (and maybe Conrad can make a pdf file for us)

katriana

#177 From: "Tsire Tuzevo" <tsire@...>
Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies ball music questions
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katriana et al

>Are the steps as they will be done at the ball available?
>They should be on the web site and I can send anyone a word attachment as
>well ( they are basically the same as would be found in a Terpsichore at
>the Tower book if that helps.

> >> > Hearts Ease
Three verses, three choruses, done

pdf of DWS and RD-Isles would be fantastic. Send away.

Keep the questions coming I'll punt as best I can.
Tsire

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#178 From: Katriana <katriana@...>
Date: Tue May 15, 2001 6:35 pm
Subject: dance steps for Lilies
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Tsire,

Could you bring or send a copy of the dance step packet to Crown for me?  I
will be able to correlate the music with the steps then.

Thanks,

katriana

#179 From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
Date: Tue May 15, 2001 7:01 pm
Subject: Re: dance steps for Lilies
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Katriana,

The Three Rivers musicians are working on the ball music (in-between practice
for the local Ren Faire and the upcoming Shakespeare Festival--wish you were
here!), so when you get it all figured out, please let me know which songs
we're changing and what we're changing to.

Thanks!
Conna

Katriana wrote:

> Tsire,
>
> Could you bring or send a copy of the dance step packet to Crown for me?  I
> will be able to correlate the music with the steps then.
>
> Thanks,
>
> katriana
>
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#180 From: "Rowan of Three Rivers" <rowan@...>
Date: Wed May 16, 2001 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: dance steps for Lilies
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Conna,
I have a copy of the ball cheat sheet. I'll make a copy for you and have it for
you at meeting. That way you can get started comparing steps to music. I don't
read music anymore and wouldn't be able to help compare the written music to the
steps.
And since we are currently working our way through teaching all the dances in
the ball sets maybe the B3R musicians would like to come practice with us - it
would help if we found out now that some of my music is way off from what will
be at the ball.

Rowan
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From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:01:24 -0500

>Katriana,
>
>The Three Rivers musicians are working on the ball music (in-between practice
>for the local Ren Faire and the upcoming Shakespeare Festival--wish you were
>here!), so when you get it all figured out, please let me know which songs
>we're changing and what we're changing to.
>
>Thanks!
>Conna
>
>Katriana wrote:
>
>> Tsire,
>>
>> Could you bring or send a copy of the dance step packet to Crown for me?  I
>> will be able to correlate the music with the steps then.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> katriana
>>
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#181 From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
Date: Wed May 16, 2001 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: dance steps for Lilies
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Great idea! I'll be there Thursday with recorder and music book in hand!
Conna

Rowan of Three Rivers wrote:

> Conna,
> I have a copy of the ball cheat sheet. I'll make a copy for you and have it
for you at meeting. That way you can get started comparing steps to music. I
don't read music anymore and wouldn't be able to help compare the written music
to the steps.
> And since we are currently working our way through teaching all the dances in
the ball sets maybe the B3R musicians would like to come practice with us - it
would help if we found out now that some of my music is way off from what will
be at the ball.
>
> Rowan
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
> Reply-To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:01:24 -0500
>
> >Katriana,
> >
> >The Three Rivers musicians are working on the ball music (in-between practice
> >for the local Ren Faire and the upcoming Shakespeare Festival--wish you were
> >here!), so when you get it all figured out, please let me know which songs
> >we're changing and what we're changing to.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Conna
> >
> >Katriana wrote:
> >
> >> Tsire,
> >>
> >> Could you bring or send a copy of the dance step packet to Crown for me?  I
> >> will be able to correlate the music with the steps then.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> katriana
> >>
> >>
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#182 From: Katriana <katriana@...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies ball music questions
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Tsire,

Please send the steps as a word attachment to me

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or
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Thanks,

katriana

#183 From: Katriana <katriana@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:21 am
Subject: Lilies Ball steps
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Tsire sent me the steps and I transferred them to the 'net.

http://www.angelfire.com/ks/tomes2/Dancestuff/liliesball15setlist.htm

The word document (original) is there too.

I'll try to get dance music notes up by tomorrow.

katriana

#184 From: "Rowan of Three Rivers" <rowan@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: Help! Lilies Ball steps
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Conrad, Tsire, Katrina, someone and anyone Help!

Working our way through the ball sets at dance practice we got up to Goddesses.
Which version are we doing?!? 6 verses or 11?? BOTH are in the Dance booklet. My
music is 11 but I don't know how many the musicians are playing.

Conrad, do you want me to include Goddesses in the ECD class? Its not really of
the same style but I can - if I know how many verses we're doing.

Rowan



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#185 From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:01 pm
Subject: RE: Help! Lilies Ball steps
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Rowan

>Working our way through the ball sets at dance practice we got up to
Goddesses. Which version are we
>doing?!? 6 verses or 11?? BOTH are in the Dance booklet. My music is 11 but
I don't know how many the
>musicians are playing.

I've always done the 11

>Conrad, do you want me to include Goddesses in the ECD class? Its not
really of the same style but I
>can - if I know how many verses we're doing.

Up to you. I agree its style is in left field for an ECD. Maybe as break
between to similiar dances? Or as "if time permits".

Conrad

#186 From: Katriana <katriana@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 4:57 pm
Subject: goddesses
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I usually play until someone kicks me to stop.  I really like the tune, but
tend to get a little twitchy after playing it :-)  Especially if the
percussionists are overenthusiastic on the "dum-dum-dum"s (if you know the
tune, you know the part of the music)

Just read the steps.  Can the verses really be done in 6 times through the
music?  I mean it sounds entertaining to watch, but hazardous to the health.

katriana

#187 From: "Rowan of Three Rivers" <rowan@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: goddesses
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The steps in the verses are slightly different when doing only 6 verses - both
sexes circle at the same time, both lines behind at the same time, etc. It can
be done, if the musicians don't play at quite the speed my taped music is at.
Can it be done in the dark, on uneven ground, without running into each other? I
don't know, it does sound hazardous (or humorous depending on your point of
view). I've only danced Goddesses at Gulf War and Crystal Ball and there it was
the eleven verse version.  But if you go by the booklet your first impression is
that we are doing the six verse version.  That's why I asked the musicians - how
many times do you want to play it?

Rowan

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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:57:58 -0500

>I usually play until someone kicks me to stop.  I really like the tune, but
>tend to get a little twitchy after playing it :-)  Especially if the
>percussionists are overenthusiastic on the "dum-dum-dum"s (if you know the
>tune, you know the part of the music)
>
>Just read the steps.  Can the verses really be done in 6 times through the
>music?  I mean it sounds entertaining to watch, but hazardous to the health.
>
>katriana
>
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#188 From: "Rowan of Three Rivers" <rowan@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:35 pm
Subject: lillies ball
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Hey, I just realized that hole in the wall isn't in the ball sets anywhere! All
in favor of putting out the hat for a "make them play it/spare us from playing
it" fundraiser raise you hands:)!

Play it: 1 vote ;)

Rowan

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#189 From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:36 pm
Subject: RE: goddesses
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>The steps in the verses are slightly different when doing only 6 verses -
both sexes circle at the same >time, both lines behind at the same time,
etc.

With the 11 verse version you get a chance to rese/catch up on the mor or
women only verses.

Conrad

#190 From: "Tsire Tuzevo" <tsire@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:14 pm
Subject: Hole in the wall & Goddesses
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Hey all,


The booklet is put together for ease of use both during and after the
ball... I like the 11 verse version but am open to doing the six if that is
the popular opinon...i seem to be hearing that the 11 is the traditional way
of doign things...

As for hole in the wall..it was a conscious choice not to put it innto the
ball.  Rowan, if you would like to build a fund raiser aroud it, that is
fine with me I'll fit it in there somewhere. If we're taking votes mine
would cancel yours out witha  big fat EK! NO! :)

Thats all for now...Tsire - the ever more convoluted.


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#191 From: Katriana <katriana@...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 4:52 am
Subject: Lilies Ball music additions
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Well, a little later than I'd hoped, but..

http://www.angelfire.com/ks/tomes2/Dancestuff/liliesball15music.htm

I have the text below so y'all can see if you even want to go see (sorry, I
took the time to make active links in the webpage, I'm not going to mess
with them in email)  If you want the Noteworthy composer files for any of
the Word documents you can view the directory
(http://www.angelfire.com/ks/tomes2/Dancestuff/) and get them.  Conrad (or
anyone who can) if you want to make pdf files, I'd take 'em.

katriana

Following are the dances I would propose using different music for at
Lilies and the reasons. There are a few pdf files (mostly off of the SCA
dance page) and some Word documents ('cause I can't make pdf files)

Grimstock
I like the key of G better
Word document

Rostiboli Goioso
The version in the music book is missing the salterellos and movimentos at
the end. I double checked with the dance steps and
the dancers will be expecting to do them :-)
Word document

Dashing White Sergeant
Music wasn't included. Melody only
Word document

Anello
Music in booklet repeats last bars, should not repeat
.pdf (Adobe Acrobat)

Maanschaft Pavan
Just 'cause I made up a prettier copy of this arrangement for Lilies last year
Word document

Heralds in Love
No new music, just a note that we'll be playing the 2nd ((A,B) x3) version.

Rufty Tufty
Again, I like it better in G
Word document

Heart's Ease
The first repeat in the booklet version is incorrect, the music as written
there has the repeat written out. This is a corrected
version (or you can just mark out the first repeat)
Word document

Gelosia
Version in the booklet is (I think) for a later version of the dance. This
version matches the dance as it will be taught (and is
done most everywhere)
.pdf (Adobe Acrobat)

Road to the Isles
Music wasn't included. Melody is the top line. I got this from a MIDI file
and thought it was a neat arrangement (could be
horrible in reality, who knows)
Word document

#192 From: Katriana <katriana@...>
Date: Wed Jun 27, 2001 11:27 pm
Subject: Lilies
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Well, let's hear how everyone thought it went this year.

Were there enough dance classes?  Not enough?

How were the ball sets?  Too short? Too long?

Obviously the merchant area is not going to allow the ball to use the area
OUTSIDE the Grand Pavilion every year.  How did the RUSH area feel? (Other
than the tent stake hazards)

katriana

#193 From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies
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I thought the location had a much better feel than last year. Maybe because
we were all closer together instead of so spread out? Or maybe because of HE
Fernando's incinitrons? I think the light made a big difference to the
overall feel of the ball.

Was the ground better for the dancers than last year? Or worse because of the
tent stakes?

Conna

Katriana wrote:

> Well, let's hear how everyone thought it went this year.
>
> Were there enough dance classes?  Not enough?
>
> How were the ball sets?  Too short? Too long?
>
> Obviously the merchant area is not going to allow the ball to use the area
> OUTSIDE the Grand Pavilion every year.  How did the RUSH area feel? (Other
> than the tent stake hazards)
>
> katriana
>
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#194 From: "Rowan of Three Rivers" <rowan@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies
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The slight slope resulted in the dancers drifting towards the tent stakes no
matter what we did, but for the most part everyone was aware of them and it was
no problem.  The incenertrons DEFINATELY help in this. I would not have wanted
to dance near tent stakes without them.

I think the ball FELT much nicer this year. Although I was suprised at how tired
I was and didn't even make it through the whole ball. I think the dance sets
were just about the right length, with the dances we dropped for safty reasons
of slick grass and tent stakes. If we had included or replaced them I think it
might have been too long.

I wish we had had more students at the classes (its hard to teach english
country with just two of you), heck I wish I had made more classes. But I think
the two to four classes of dance related stuff per day was about right. Conrad
the dance reconstruction class was GREAT, do it again next year!

Rowan
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:23:45 -0500

>I thought the location had a much better feel than last year. Maybe because
>we were all closer together instead of so spread out? Or maybe because of HE
>Fernando's incinitrons? I think the light made a big difference to the
>overall feel of the ball.
>
>Was the ground better for the dancers than last year? Or worse because of the
>tent stakes?
>
>Conna
>
>Katriana wrote:
>
>> Well, let's hear how everyone thought it went this year.
>>
>> Were there enough dance classes?  Not enough?
>>
>> How were the ball sets?  Too short? Too long?
>>
>> Obviously the merchant area is not going to allow the ball to use the area
>> OUTSIDE the Grand Pavilion every year.  How did the RUSH area feel? (Other
>> than the tent stake hazards)
>>
>> katriana
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#195 From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies
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I heard a rumor that the Lilies Committee was considering making some
incinitrons for use at the war (so that everyone wouldn't have to keep borrowing
Fernando's set--apparently people borrowed them more nights than he got to use
them himself). Anyone know if this is true?

I think it would be a great idea to have light like that at next year's ball.

Conna
who still needs to use a booklight to avoid dark shadows on the sheet music

PS for Katriana: Good News! Valdemar bought a booklight for Constantia's
birthday. What a wonderful viking!

#196 From: "Christian Cepel (Bombadil)" <c627712@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies
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Does anyone know of a plan-source for those?  Perhaps every
shire/barony/college/etc has a crafty person with the resources, and by
getting the plans spread around, the things might become common enough
that each event has 2 or 3 good gentles who brought theirs along.

I wouldn't mind having a go.


On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Carol O'Connell of Graphic World wrote:

> I heard a rumor that the Lilies Committee was considering making some
incinitrons for use at the war (so that everyone wouldn't have to keep borrowing
Fernando's set--apparently people borrowed them more nights than he got to use
them himself). Anyone know if this is true?
>
> I think it would be a great idea to have light like that at next year's ball.
>
> Conna
> who still needs to use a booklight to avoid dark shadows on the sheet music
>
> PS for Katriana: Good News! Valdemar bought a booklight for Constantia's
birthday. What a wonderful viking!
>
>
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#197 From: "Carol O'Connell of Graphic World" <carol.oconnell@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Lilies
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Forwarded from Fernando:

Start with a standard 20 pound propane tank (like for a BBQ grill).

Next, you need a standard BBQ grill regulator. (You can buy these at a lot of
hardware stores that sell BBQ grills.)  Cheap ones work, but go that extra
few bucks for the middle of the road model.  The cheap ones hum annoyingly
more often and freeze up a lot more.

Note: I'm told that some more modern regulators have a shut back feature if
there is a lack of back pressure.  If you end up with a regulator like this,
it is tough to get the flame up to full without a lot of work (feathering it
up a bit at a time.) Most of these regulators are for the newer male threaded
tanks (female regulator).  Almost all the older ones use female tanks (male
regulator).  If you can I'd target these.

Next, I use 1/2 inch black iron pipe for the poles.  Start with one section
6' long for the main pole.

Safety Note: All your connections should be sealed with Teflon tape around
the threads before you connect the pipes.

On the top of this pole, I use a 1/2" to 3/4" adapter, followed by a 3" piece
of 3/4" pipe.

Drill holes in the 3/4" pipe for the gas to come out.  I put 10 holes in 4
columns (3 -2- 3- 2).  I think I used around 3/16" holes.  If you want more
height, you could skip the holes and just leave the end open, but I like the
bushy flame effect of mine a lot more than the gas jet effect of some of the
others out there. Drill fewer smaller holes than you think you need, as you
can always drill a few more (or make them bigger) as needed once you have
finished trying it out.  But if you screw up all you've lost is 3" of pipe. :)

Once this is together take an 8" stainless steel bowl (mine cost $1.47 at Big
Lots). Cut a hole in the bottom just big enough for the 3/4" pipe (but not
big enough for the 1/2" to 3/4" adapter and slide it over the pipe.  Rather
than cut a hole, I used my dremel to cut a star like pattern the appropriate
size in the bottom of the bowl.  Then I forced the pipe through, bending the
little "flanges" up around the pipe (this keeps it a bit more fixed.)

You don't "need" this bowl, but I find it a) looks better, and b) helps it
handle high winds better giving the gas a place to collect before being blown
away.

Finally cap the 3/4" pipe with an end cap.  I drilled a single hole in mine
to add a bit of height to my flame.

Now the fittings.

To the bottom of the 6' pipe connect a 1/2" valve.

Below the valve goes another piece of 1/2" pipe.  The length depends on if
you want the valve outside or inside the boxes.  You must adjust this based
on the size of your boxes to put the valve where you want it.  I made mine so
the valves are _just_ above the box. (the valves and everything above them
come off when I transport mine).

This short pipe is then connected to one of the arms of a 1/2" "T" fitting.

The base of the "T" is where the regulator connects.  BUT, the regulator
connection wont fit the "T".  You will need an adapter.  Specifically a
"Flare - MIP" adapter.  This is a brass fitting.  Sadly I can't recall the
exact size, so you will need to take your regulator and your "T" in with you.
  This, like almost everything else except the regulator, is found in the
plumbing supply dept.  I _think_ it is a 3/8" to 1/2" adapter, but I don't
recall which is the flare and which is the MIP.

With this adapter you can connect the hose from your regulator to the 'T"

Below the "T" on the other arm goes about an 8" piece of 1/2" pipe.

Connect this to a 1/2" floor flange.  Then seal the bottom.  I have 3 ways to
seal the bottom.

A) Find someone who can weld iron pipe right (it uses different material than
typical SCA armor welding), and have them seal the bottom.  - You _must_
check this under pressure.  It is easy to have what looks like a perfect seal
that really pours out a _lot_ of propane.  I speak from experience.  Once you
think it is sealed, connect this to your tank, close the valve that leads to
the top and use soapy water to test for leaks.  Or if you are brave just
stick a lighter near it and see if it lights.  We did this, and even though
there were no visible holes and we could hear no hiss it still put out
several good sized 6+" flames.

B) Use a tap and die set to tap the inside of the bottom of the pipe (inside
the floor flange, then stick an internal pipe endcap in.

C) Forget the floor flange and just end the pipe with a typical end cap. This
is the easiest but the least favorable option because the pipe can no longer
be screwed down to the base of the box. You could also do this and have
someone weld the cap onto a metal bracket of some sort.  This is a lot easier
than sealing the end for a lessexperienced welder.

Now take your hardware and mount it in a box.  Don't leave the tank and stuff
exposed.  Its more dangerous, and it looks stupid.

Make sure you incorporate some way to stake down the assembly to avoid it
being knocked over by accident.  I use eyebolts in the corners of the boc and
run long stakes through them at angles.  You could just drill diagonal holes
through the corners of the boc and use sjakes all the way through without the
eye bolts..

Once you are set, use a long lighter and FLAME ON.

Let me know if you have questions.   Fernando@...


Fernando



"Christian Cepel (Bombadil)" wrote:

> Does anyone know of a plan-source for those?  Perhaps every
> shire/barony/college/etc has a crafty person with the resources, and by
> getting the plans spread around, the things might become common enough
> that each event has 2 or 3 good gentles who brought theirs along.
>
> I wouldn't mind having a go.
>
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Carol O'Connell of Graphic World wrote:
>
> > I heard a rumor that the Lilies Committee was considering making some
incinitrons for use at the war (so that everyone wouldn't have to keep borrowing
Fernando's set--apparently people borrowed them more nights than he got to use
them himself). Anyone know if this is true?
> >
> > I think it would be a great idea to have light like that at next year's
ball.
> >
> > Conna
> > who still needs to use a booklight to avoid dark shadows on the sheet music
> >
> > PS for Katriana: Good News! Valdemar bought a booklight for Constantia's
birthday. What a wonderful viking!
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#198 From: "Morgan Cain" <morgancain@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Lilies
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As someone who just came and danced, I liked things.  I think the site had
its problems, but we adjusted (dancing korobushka around the tent, for
example).  Nothing could be done about wetness, glad that a few dances were
skipped.  Dancing under the tent might have helped with light by reflecting
(not to mention the grass being dried and ground flatter) but I think it
would have been dangerous to bring the incinetrons under the cover, yes?

I liked the dancecard, although I don't understand the notations for the
dances.  Glad there were quick walkthroughs before dancing because I had not
gotten to classes (too busy!) and never remember which name goes with what
steps.

Otoshi's son is now a very enthusiastic dancer.  I appreciated that others
in our sets helped him to get where he needed to be and he loved the
experience.  At first Matt said "I'm too young to dance," and then I pointed
out Katriana's daughter and a couple other kids, and he was quite
enthusiastic.

                                         ----= Morgan (glad I made it this
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#199 From: julie.reinitz@...
Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 8:58 pm
Subject: music search
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Hello all!

This is my first post here...

I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I might find music for
Trenchmore. I need a good quality version that we can dance to.

Are there any CD's or tapes out there that I could buy that would
have that song on it?

Thanks for your help.

Katinka Von Trifels
Shire LeGrande Tente

#200 From: "Morgan Cain" <morgancain@...>
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: music search
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> I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I might find music for
> Trenchmore. I need a good quality version that we can dance to.

Is it on the Rose & Nefr dance tape?  http://rocky.itasca.net/rosenefr/

Of course, both Alban and Katriana carry copies (unless they are sold out).

                          ---= Morgan (didn't dance enough at Pennsic)


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#201 From: rowan@...
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 4:35 pm
Subject: re: music search
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The problem with finding Trenchmore music is that there seems to be a
heck of alot of versions of music out there that the trenchmore dance
is done to. The most comment seems to be "hunt for the fox", but that
certainly isn't the song that I first learned the dance to OR the
taped song that the groups over here (Three Rivers/Shattered Crystal)
use.

If you want "hunt for the fox" it is available on "Why not dance" CD
from most SCA music vendors. Or try this site:
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/CD-offer.html
This gentle makes and sells CDs for SCA dance.

What the music the musicians PLAY is I have no idea. Nor do I know
what the song is that is used in this area. If anyone knows what
taped song Alphia used to teach us all Trenchmore I would like to
know, since my tape bit the dust from over use and even hers was a
copy of a copy.

Rowan

_____________
I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I might find music for
Trenchmore. I need a good quality version that we can dance to.

Are there any CD's or tapes out there that I could buy that would
have that song on it?

Thanks for your help.

Katinka Von Trifels
Shire LeGrande Tente

#202 From: "Tsire Tuzevo" <tsire@...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 11:44 pm
Subject: Coeur D'Ennui PAS needs you!
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Greetings Dnacers Musicians and Folk,

I hope that the summer has treated you well. As you may or may not know, the
Barony is having a Passage of Arms to celebrate the investiture of our new
Baron and Baroness at the end of this september. It is my most sincere hope
that the day will be made all themore special by having loads and loads of
dancing. This is where you come in. I NEED TEACHERS DANCERS AND
MUSICIANS!!!!!! A whole heap of you! If you can volunteer and hour of your
time or just come and participate it would mean so much to the barony and to
me!  I am looking for class teachers especially. Please e-mail me with what
you'd be willing to do.

Thanks so very much

Tsire
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