This is a great place to climb during autumn. I've climbed there all
my life. The routes are easy, face/slab, and as usual for the southern
sierra, runout.

-brian

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This sounds like fun.  I spent a lot of summers at Huntington Lake.
I'm in.

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--- In CMG@yahoogroups.com, brianrouch <brianrouch@...> wrote:
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> This is a great place to climb during autumn. I've climbed there
all
> my life. The routes are easy, face/slab, and as usual for the
southern
> sierra, runout.
>
> -brian
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Please post to the calendar until we get a better way to do signups?

Susan

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>
> There is a particular week long backpack trip off the North Rim of
the Grand Canyon, that I have done a few times.  It has been eight
years of so since my last trip there, so I am heading back.  I
consider it the hands down best week long trip in the Grand Canyon. 
It is also the best week long trip I have done period, and I know
many that have adventured more than I that say the same. 
>  
> It combines spectacular waterfalls, hanging gardens, narrow
serpentine canyoneering, more than ten miles along the Colorado
river, and the day out is a steep one where water scarcity and
temperature dictate that only the hardy need apply.   Most of it is
cross country, lots of boulder hopping, narrow paths many feet above
the River and a passage through Deer Creek Falls that is memorable
both for its sublime beauty and its slender,-face-the wall-drop-
down -to the creek-adventure.  It can be snowing at the top of the
North Rim, even down to the intermediate plateau and 90 degrees and
brutally hot at the river, all within 24 hours. 
>  
> I would like to schedule the trip before or after Spring Break to
avoid permit procuring difficulties.  The trip size will be eight
maximum.  I will fish around for a couple of weeks and find the week
to go for interested parties and then when I decide on a week a call
for seriously interested parties will go out and a check made out to
me for for forty dollars to cover the permit fees will be how you
sign up.  First check-first served as long as your fitness and
backpacking/moutnaineering resume is suitable.  Remember, we will be
carrying food for a week and up to four quarts of water on some
stretches so good conditioning is important, that you are not left
to have your bones bleach in the sun, to become a chochkey in some
designers home decor. 
>  
> Robert Smith
> Please respond with "reply all" as I seldom can keep up reading
replies in the digest format and I have included my personal email
in the address bar. 
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Hi-

I did all the seasonal gear maintenance and ski tuning this last
weekend while it rained buckets.  The roads between east and west CA
are already closed but the snow isn't in enough for skiing/winter
climbing.  The ice isn't in and the high elevation rocks are too cold
for bare hands (or I am a wuss).  So I'm off peakbagging and rock
climbing the warmer crags mostly until the snow and ice come.  My
Mexican/S American volcano and dreams (make that fantasies now) have
run into the astronomical-around-the-holidays airfare dilemma.

Two questions:

What is everyone else doing to feed their mountain addictions?  I
could use some suggestions on the cheap!

Is it still a completely insane idea to drive south of the border?
Don't want my climbing fantasies to intersect other people's car
stripping fantasies :)

Susan

Hi Susan,

     What part of the state do you live in? There is always the 50 county high
points that will provide you with some lower county targets during the months
when the High Country isn't that inviting.

     Personally I pour myself into doing volunter trail construction during the
winter months, when it is cool enough to work.

     Where are you planning to go south of the boarder? Here in San Diego we hear
a lot about the drug wars and the kidnapping that seems to be going on in the
northern Part of Baja. There have been several thousand Mexicans murdered in
these gang wars over the past year or so. So this can discourage people from
visiting Mexico. On the other hand there are still safe places where people can
go. By flying deep into Mexico you may avoid a lot of the boarder conflicts. But
I am not clear on even this.

     When it comes to climbing in Mexico, Pico Risco is the only Mexican summit
from the Desert Peaks List that I have yet to do. I don't know how safe it is to
drive the approaches. It is usually done as a drive down to Ensenada and then
east on Highway 3 to a mountain dirt road. From there they drive north to a
park, where they spend the night. Then on north to the trail head for Picao
Risco. The climb of the peak from this point is fairly easy. After the climb
they drive north to Highway 1 and come back in the the US through Tecate.

     By the way, about 70% of the DPS summits make good winter targets. You can
find a list of their peaks at:
http://angeles.sierraclub.org/dps/dpslist.pdf

     Regarding your concern about being "a wuss" about climbing in bad weather. I
use to do some climbing with a fellow who wore a boot brace. He had done some
simple climbing at Stoney Point on a day when it was threating to rain. He was
only about 15 feet up from the ground when the rock became to wet to hold him.
Since he was climbing unroped his trip back to the ground went a little too
quickly and he shattered his ankle so badly that the doctor wasn't able to put
it together well enough to hold him without a brace. So there are times where it
is wise to protect against the weather.

     Hope you find good places to go this winter.

            Rob

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Susan <susan@...> wrote:

From: Susan <susan@...>
Subject: CMG: favorite fall/early winter climbing - need suggestions
To: CMG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 4:39 PM

Hi-

I did all the seasonal gear maintenance and ski tuning this last
weekend while it rained buckets. The roads between east and west CA
are already closed but the snow isn't in enough for skiing/winter
climbing. The ice isn't in and the high elevation rocks are too cold
for bare hands (or I am a wuss). So I'm off peakbagging and rock
climbing the warmer crags mostly until the snow and ice come. My
Mexican/S American volcano and dreams (make that fantasies now) have
run into the astronomical- around-the- holidays airfare dilemma.

Two questions:

What is everyone else doing to feed their mountain addictions? I
could use some suggestions on the cheap!

Is it still a completely insane idea to drive south of the border?
Don't want my climbing fantasies to intersect other people's car
stripping fantasies :)

Susan

Please join Royal Robbins and Ed Drummond for an unforgettable
presentation "A time to live". The high adventure of the first
ascent in 1965, narrated by Royal, and the unbearable lightness of Ed's
fight for life trapped in his bivouac after 2 weeks of being alone.

This event is at the Victoria Theater in San Francisco, November 20th
at 7:30 pm. Following their presentations, Royal and Ed will invite a
question and answer session. After the show, Ed will be doing a book
signing. Doors open a 6:30 so get there early.

The show is sure to sell out or order tickets on line at:
http://www.victoriatheatre.org/calendar.htm

Find out more at:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=695760
or
http://touchstoneclimbing.com/2008/10/time-to-live-be-there.html

These will probably be the last classes for a while, so I hope you can
join us for a full day of climbing and instruction on the
beautiful(and real!)rocks of Saint Helena. Classes last from around
10am to 4pm. Bring layered loose fitting clothing, food and water. I
will need to know shoe size of anyone who is coming and a check in
advance so I know who is coming and reserve your space. We meet in
Calistoga at 9:30 and carpool to parking lot. Bring a pack to carry
your food and gear in for the hike to the climbing spot.

November 22
This class is an ideal course for beginners and those in need of a
refresher. the day's end you'll be acquainted with the basics of rock
climbing, from climbing terminology and safety to knot tying and
belaying. HMA supplies shoes, harnesses, ropes, etc. Only $50.

November 23
This hands on course is a comprehensive next step for the gym climber,
boulderer or even sport and beginning outdoor climber who would like
to learn more about placing protection, setting anchors for top rope
climbing and belay stations. Also by the end of the day we will have
gone over how to make bomb proof anchors, rescue systems, safety and
rescue techniques There is a ton off tricks knots and skills taught
through out the day, so I advise bringing a note book. All the
equipment is provided. $75


If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact me,
Harrison Hood
Hood Mountain Adventues
Box 1334
Sebastopol CA 95473
707-217-4730

Found this at the 'taco:
---
December 3rd Hans Florine Show on The Nose in Oakland

December 3rd come for a night of Stories about one thing: The Nose.

The first story telling of the new Nose record. (Yuji Hirayama and
Hans climbed it in 2:37:05 on October 12th 2008)

Hans Florine will share an evening with you at: The Great Western
Power Company.

With the aid of video clips and photos Hans will tell stories about
Yuji Hirayama and Hans's preparations, history, planning, drama,
training, and execution of climbing The Nose Route of El Capitan, the
3000 ft granite cliff in Yosemite.

Touchstone Climbing is hosting the event at:
http://touchstoneclimbing.com/gw.html

Touchstone had 150 limited edition photographic prints made to
commemorate 50 years of climbing The Nose route. These prints are for
sale at: www.speedclimb.com/50th. We will try to reserve some to
auction at the December 2/3rd event. If you want to guarantee there is
one there for you, buy it online and put in the notes section of the
checkout that you'll pick it up at the December 2/3rd event. (or say
nothing and we'll ship it)

Light refreshments and drinks will be available. A $15 admission fee
will be charged for non Touchstone climbing members. Funds raised
during the event will go to benefit the Access Fund and the YCA -
which created the Climbing museum in Yosemite.

Official story telling/presentation begins at 8pm. Come early and get
in some climbing on the walls.

see you there,

Hans
---

Hey Guys,
ANy one has any ideas. I have DEC 22- Jan 3 off. I was thinking of going to
Whistler Canada for some ice climbing and snow boarding. If anyone wants to join
let me know. ALso if anyone has any ideas or any climb they wanted to do in
South America or Canada or Mexico I will love to join up.

Munish


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> has been eight years of so since my last trip there, so I am
> heading back.  I consider it the hands down best week long
> trip in the Grand Canyon.  It is also the best week long
> trip I have done period, and I know many that have
> adventured more than I that say the same. 
>
>  
>
> It combines spectacular waterfalls, hanging gardens, narrow
> serpentine canyoneering, more than ten miles along the
> Colorado river, and the day out is a steep one where water
> scarcity and temperature dictate that only the hardy need
> apply.   Most of it is cross country, lots of boulder
> hopping, narrow paths many feet above the River and a
> passage through Deer Creek Falls that is memorable both for
> its sublime beauty and its slender,-face- the wall-drop-down
> -to the creek-adventure.  It can be snowing at the top of
> the North Rim, even down to the intermediate plateau and 90
> degrees and brutally hot at the river, all within 24
> hours. 
>
>  
>
> I would like to schedule the trip before or after Spring
> Break to avoid permit procuring difficulties.  The trip
> size will be eight maximum.  I will fish around for a
> couple of weeks and find the week to go for interested
> parties and then when I decide on a week a call for
> seriously interested parties will go out and a check made
> out to me for for forty dollars to cover the permit fees
> will be how you sign up.  First check-first served as long
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> suitable.  Remember, we will be carrying food for a week
> and up to four quarts of water on some stretches so good
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> your bones bleach in the sun, to become a chochkey in some
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There is not good reliable ice near whistler, though when lilloet is
in, there is good ice. It's about a 2 hour drive between the two.

If you want to both ski and cliimb ice, I'd suggest Canadian Rockies.

I'll be near prince George skiing from December 18- jan 06. If you are
interested in skiing ( backcountry) in the interior, let me know.

-brian

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> Hey Guys,
> ANy one has any ideas. I have DEC 22- Jan 3 off. I was thinking of
> going to Whistler Canada for some ice climbing and snow boarding. If
> anyone wants to join let me know. ALso if anyone has any ideas or
> any climb they wanted to do in South America or Canada or Mexico I
> will love to join up.
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>> There is a particular week long backpack trip off the North
>> Rim of the Grand Canyon, that I have done a few times.  It
>> has been eight years of so since my last trip there, so I am
>> heading back.  I consider it the hands down best week long
>> trip in the Grand Canyon.  It is also the best week long
>> trip I have done period, and I know many that have
>> adventured more than I that say the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> It combines spectacular waterfalls, hanging gardens, narrow
>> serpentine canyoneering, more than ten miles along the
>> Colorado river, and the day out is a steep one where water
>> scarcity and temperature dictate that only the hardy need
>> apply.   Most of it is cross country, lots of boulder
>> hopping, narrow paths many feet above the River and a
>> passage through Deer Creek Falls that is memorable both for
>> its sublime beauty and its slender,-face- the wall-drop-down
>> -to the creek-adventure.  It can be snowing at the top of
>> the North Rim, even down to the intermediate plateau and 90
>> degrees and brutally hot at the river, all within 24
>> hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to schedule the trip before or after Spring
>> Break to avoid permit procuring difficulties.  The trip
>> size will be eight maximum.  I will fish around for a
>> couple of weeks and find the week to go for interested
>> parties and then when I decide on a week a call for
>> seriously interested parties will go out and a check made
>> out to me for for forty dollars to cover the permit fees
>> will be how you sign up.  First check-first served as long
>> as your fitness and backpacking/ moutnaineering resume is
>> suitable.  Remember, we will be carrying food for a week
>> and up to four quarts of water on some stretches so good
>> conditioning is important, that you are not left to have
>> your bones bleach in the sun, to become a chochkey in some
>> designers home decor.
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There is not good reliable ice near whistler, though when lilloet is
in, there is good ice. It's about a 2 hour drive between the two.

If you want to both ski and cliimb ice, I'd suggest Canadian Rockies.

I'll be near prince George skiing from December 18- jan 06. If you
are interested in skiing ( backcountry) in the interior, let me know.

-brian

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My friend is offering the course to non-employs. So if your interested
let him know,
H
ATTN all Blue Waters Guides -

Blue Waters is sponsoring a 2-day Wilderness First Aid class on Dec 1
& 2, 2008, that is next Monday and Tuesday.

The fee for BWK guides will be $60 for the course plus materials ($15
- $20)

The fee for non-BWK guides will be $120 plus materials.  (Still a good
deal - WMI sells this course for $150 - $200)

The schedule will be as follows:

Monday & Tuesday, 9AM to 1 pm - Classroom session at Pt Reyes Fire
Station in Pt Reyes Station
Monday & Tuesday, 1 pm - 5 pm - practicum and scenerios at BWK Inverness

The instructor is Chris Moore, owner of the Emergency Training
Institute, Cupertino, CA.

The certifications earned on this 2-day course will include an OSHA
professional level CPR,1st Aid, and AED certificate,
PLUS a Basic Wilderness Medicine certification from the ASHI (American
Safety and Health Institute).

This is certification fulfills the first aid requirement for BWK level
2 guides.

So far we have eight signups.  We still have spaces available, so
please spread the word and tell your friends.

I look forward to seeing you next Monday.

All the best,

John Granatir, Owner
Blue Waters Kayaking
john@...
415-669-2600 (office)
415-706-2526 (cell)

If anyone would like to join me ice climbing above Lower Boyscout Lake
on Friday November 28th and the next day , call me on 760-861-5074
or  760-366-1953 .
There is a storm system that should leave less than 12 inches of snow .
The ice is a pretty blue colour and quite fat .
I hope to hear from someone soon !

Cheers  from Joshua Tree ,

Simon

just wondering if anybody has/knows of any way to get some used gear.
ice axe, mountain boots, crampons...that sort of thing.  certainly not
looking for used rope or pro'.  thanks for your time.

just wondering if anybody has/knows of any way to get some used gear.
ice axe, mountain boots, crampons...that sort of thing. certainly not
looking for used rope or pro'. thanks for your time.

LINK TO SURVEY >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CMG/files/Survey/

--- In CMG@yahoogroups.com, Tom Cronin <tombcronin@...> wrote:
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> Thanks! Tom
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> --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Cmc Sps <sps_cmc@...> wrote:
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> From: Cmc Sps <sps_cmc@...>
> Subject: SPS and CMC survey
> To: tombcronin@...
> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 2:52 PM
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> Hi Tom,
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> Here is a survey I ran this summer.  It was primarily me testing
out my survey writing skills, but the results should be interesting
to anyone in SPS and CMC, and provide direction to how CMG can avoid
the things that SPS and CMC members don't like.
>
> Please feel free to post on the CMG newsgroup.  I've sent this to
both CMC and SPS boards, but don't expect them to distribute the
information.
>
> I'd prefer to remain anonymous, but if you have compelling reasons
I'll tell you who I am.
>

I have pairs of Scarpa plastic boots up to I think size 9 for $100. I
also have some Trezetas plastic boots size 10.5 for $75.
Let me know if your interested. 707-965-9669 or email me back