Hi MIke,

It is possible wear out your gore-tex even if you wash and treat it.
I had to replace my old North Face favorite after about 10 years when
it started seeping water this fall.  Usually I use the gore-tex shell
when I'm out in a mix of rain and snow.  I never put more than a
silkweight base layer and light fleece under it if I'm active (and
I'm always the first person to get cold).   I bought an Arcteryx beta
SL from ebay after looking around a lot.

I also got a used Patagonia stretch element jacket from ebay a few
months ago.  It seems to be completely windproof and waterproof (I've
soaked it in the rain walking my dog as an experiment) but it still
stretches and breathes like a soft shell and doesn't have that
annoying crunchy feel/sound to it in cold weather.

Hope this helps.

Susan

--- In SFCMC@yahoogroups.com, "mp5of8" <mp5of8@...> wrote:
>
> Hi I'm looking for some info on Jackets.  I need to replace my old
> North Face Gore-tex Mtn Jacket.  I used it today while it was
snowing
> and it soaked through, it isn't on warranty either.  There are a lot
> of new coatings and material on the market, some are a lot cheaper
> than Gore-tex but I don't know if any are solid products or are they
> hype?  Who is making the best product?  What is the state of the
art?
> What have you done well with?  I'd like to find something that will
> work for both winter and summer.
>

Hi,
I am contemplating a trip this spring to Mt. Everest
from the south side (Nepal).  Wonder if anone is
interested.  Land costs with O2 and limited Sherpa
support will probably be about between $25K to $30K
depending on how many people are going.  You have to
add money for airfare and some high altitude gear.
And you have to be able to take April and May off.
Interested?  Know anyone who is?  Please advise.  The
more people go, the cheaper it gets.  Please contact
me also if interested in a reasonably-priced hike to
Base Camp.  Sorry for the short notice.  Thanks.
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1. Yes, reproof Goretex if the clothing is older/well used.  Tectron spray is very good - although not as good as when the article left the factory.
2. However, your using synthetic layers is pretty certain to be, or at least add to, the problem.  Synthetics can handle water moisture, but not water vapor; whereas wool can handle both.  To consider the classic example of gortex boots:  yes, the Gortex people are right when they say that Gortex can breathe.  It can breath better than a polly bag over your foot.  But cotton socks can retain <200% of their weight in water, and so almost-ensures chaffing and blisters.  Wicking socks with a polly outer cannot handle water vapor, and that can cause blisters.  One needs a wicking sock with a wool outer, which retains both water vapor and moisture until they can seep out through the Gortex in their own good time.  (Interestingly, Keene say that their Event boots are better than Gortex since they can breath almost as well as your standard breathable, but that is another story). 
3. So, by all means reproof your favorite gear to see if that works and saves you a small fortune, but replace the synthetic layers with Smartwool or Icebreaker.  (Arcterix deservedly had a great reputation, but they seem to have "lost the plot" in recent years). 

Thanks Maureen and Roger.  I don't know if the wetness came from inside or out.  It was a wet snow and we were working and sweating but I also had on 2 and 3 layers of synthetic clothing.  In any case at the end of the day the shell jacket was too wet.  If I'd been spending the night out I would have been concerned.

Maureen Maguire <mlmaguire1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi, go to Marmot Mountain Works in Berkely and talk to
the store manager there. He can give you the whole
rundown and show you some products. Personally, there
is nothing like an Arteryx product but hey, you may
need to sell your car to own one. Roger is right,
gortex and other membrane fabric is only for really
cold weather, which we rarely see here in CA,
especially at the lower elevations. If you exert hard
enough to sweat your own condensation builds up and
cannot escape if the weather is wet as well. You will
be ringing wet from the inside out. I'm going with a
silk tshirt, a wool shirt, and a cheap polyurethane
coated jacket for real downpour protection. All from
kmart. Maureen
http://www.marmotmountain.com/

--- Roger Reid <rogerreid3@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 1. Did your gortex "let in" moisture, or did it
> contain your own moisture?
> (That is often the problem, i.e. the gortex is
> still working, but you do not have sufficient
> wicking layer/are working extra hard/combination of
> both).
>
> 2. Failing that, the earlier advices about
> reproofing with Nixwax, or looking at a Golite are
> very sound points.
>
> Roger
>
> .
>
>
>
> mp5of8 <mp5of8@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi I'm looking for some info on Jackets. I
> need to replace my old
> North Face Gore-tex Mtn Jacket. I used it today
> while it was snowing
> and it soaked through, it isn't on warranty either.
> There are a lot
> of new coatings and material on the market, some are
> a lot cheaper
> than Gore-tex but I don't know if any are solid
> products or are they
> hype? Who is making the best product? What is the
> state of the art?
> What have you done well with? I'd like to find
> something that will
> work for both winter and summer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: rm.maps@...
To: steven_thaw@... (Steve Thaw)
Subject: NEW EXPEDITION TENT
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:24:09 +0000

Steve,

 

You seem like a hard-core mountaineer.  I have decided that I am a fair-weather backpacker myself, but I received an expedition tent for Christmas from folks who think I should be on a snow-covered mountain.  Anyway, I am selling it on Craigslist and it occurred to me that you (or someone you know) might be interested.  The tent is "The North Face - Summit Series - VE25" and is still in the unopened factory packaging.

 

I have listed it for $429, but will let it go for $400 to any of my (or your) hiking friends.  REI sells it for $549, but I think the low-end retail cost is $529, before tax and shipping.  Let me know if you (or any of your hiking friends) are interested.

 

 

Randel Mowen

Pleasant Hill, CA

Sandra,
Take my advice as you may, but I don't suggest using a guide service to ascend any mountain.
Take all the classes you can, read books, gain experience on peaks and terrain that you're comfortable with and then climb unguided.
Being a competent member of a climbing team, bringing skill and experience, makes you a climber. Hiring a guide makes you a tourist.
Of course we all have the right to climb in whatever way we see fit, as long as we're not ruining it for others.
Cheers!
Jacob

On Jan 13, 2008 2:24 PM, Sandra Niehaus <sniehaus@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I'm a newbie planning to climb Mt. Rainier this summer, and wondering if anyone's ever gone up with either Rainier Mountaineering, Inc. or Alpine Ascents International and could share their experience with me.  The two companies appear equally qualified, but they offer very different experiences. One big difference is that AAI starts up the mountain much earlier than RMI to avoid the crowds.

I'd also appreciate input on routes up. I may be new to mountaineering, but I'm athletic and competitive enough that I don't want a "Disneyland" experience. The most common route sounds so easy and crowded I think I'd be disappointed.

Thanks in advance for any advice!
--Sandra


Sandra Niehaus

A few years ago (prior to breaking foot) I organized and lead a climb of Mt. Rainier.  Mount Rainer is a serious undertaking.   As a newbie (I'm assuming you have general skills here, if not, see next paragraph)climbing with one of the guided groups it's a great experience.  AND a safe one which is more important.  Both RMI and AAI have good reputations on the mountain.  BUT it will be a "cattle drive" type of experience. They won't take pure beginners on harder climbs because it isn't safe.  The guides do a lot of trail work getting the trail up Mt. Rainer well marked so when the weather turns bad up there (very frequent) it is safer.

 

Yes Rainier is very crowded, and not just with the guides.  If you are looking for nice wilderness climb, you will be disappointed.  As a newbie there are only two routes that you should be on, and both are busy.  But it also sounds like your mountaineering skills are low.  For that I would strongly suggest taking a mountaineering course.  If you want to spend your money and get a bigger return, take a mountaineering course.   I recommend American Alpine Institute (out of Washington).  I have used their services twice now.  I took their general mountaineering course and one time was for a multi-pitch ice climb and I did not feel like a tourist doing that climb with the guide.  Instead it was a great learning experience. This will be a full approach, a few days of glacier travel experience, and a climb of Mt. Baker.  Then one day of rock climbing skills.  You will come away with a good basic knowledge and a fun climb/experience to boot. 

 

The next step would be a guided climb of Mt. Rainier, or tagging on with a VERY experienced group for a harder climb.  Mountain climbing takes a big time investment to be safe.  If you aren't willing to do this, they you should go with a larger guided group.

 

John

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From: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SFCMC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Sams
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:13 PM
To: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CMC: Mt. Rainier guide company experiences?

Sandra,
Take my advice as you may, but I don't suggest using a guide service to ascend any mountain.
Take all the classes you can, read books, gain experience on peaks and terrain that you're comfortable with and then climb unguided.
Being a competent member of a climbing team, bringing skill and experience, makes you a climber. Hiring a guide makes you a tourist.
Of course we all have the right to climb in whatever way we see fit, as long as we're not ruining it for others.
Cheers!
Jacob

On Jan 13, 2008 2:24 PM, Sandra Niehaus <sniehaus@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I'm a newbie planning to climb Mt. Rainier this summer, and wondering if anyone's ever gone up with either Rainier Mountaineering, Inc. or Alpine Ascents International and could share their experience with me.  The two companies appear equally qualified, but they offer very different experiences. One big difference is that AAI starts up the mountain much earlier than RMI to avoid the crowds.

I'd also appreciate input on routes up. I may be new to mountaineering, but I'm athletic and competitive enough that I don't want a "Disneyland" experience. The most common route sounds so easy and crowded I think I'd be disappointed.

Thanks in advance for any advice!
--Sandra


Sandra Niehaus

I second RMI. My first climb EVER was Rainier with RMI
many years ago. They do a great job teaching you and
they are safe. I had a good time with those guys.

One note about guided groups. I noticed that they just
load you up with tons of gear. I think they need to
cover their butts, just in case, but the extra weight
probably causes some to not summit. I think this is
why they want you in top physical condition, so you
can carry all that stuff, in case you need it. This is
a general comment about most group guided services and
an observant guide will give you a hand and help you
out if you need it.

Now, I never carry so much stuff and I go as light as
possible while maintaining a margin of safety.
Everyone dials in their gear for their needs and risk
tolerance.

I love Rainier, but I probably would not recommend it
for a first timer. But, I can wholeheartedly recommend
Mt. Hood for a first timer :-)

Any of the newby routes will seem kinda crowded. If
you want fewer crowds, you will have to do some of the
non-newby routes and those require greater range of
skills and acceptance of risk. This takes time.

Good luck and have a great time.
--- Oakes Christopher <oakes4493@...> wrote:

> ok so my experience is dated.  RMI taught a 5 day
> ice class with a summit in 1986.  I don't know if
> they still do that but it was worth the money.  I
> had a great time, learned about safety, summitted,
> met some nice people, all that I expected.
>
>   For the wilderness experience or sense of
> adventure of whatever, if you are not familiar with
> big mountains with large glacial cravasses, don't
> try this alone.  Either find somebody who has done
> it a lot of times before, or make some new friends
> and take a class.
>
>
>
> John Lechmanik <j_lechmanik@...> wrote:
>       A few years ago (prior to breaking foot) I
> organized and lead a climb of Mt. Rainier.  Mount
> Rainer is a serious undertaking.   As a newbie (I'm
> assuming you have general skills here, if not, see
> next paragraph)climbing with one of the guided
> groups it's a great experience.  AND a safe one
> which is more important.  Both RMI and AAI have good
> reputations on the mountain.  BUT it will be a
> "cattle drive" type of experience. They won't take
> pure beginners on harder climbs because it isn't
> safe.  The guides do a lot of trail work getting the
> trail up Mt. Rainer well marked so when the weather
> turns bad up there (very frequent) it is safer.
>
>   Yes Rainier is very crowded, and not just with the
> guides.  If you are looking for nice wilderness
> climb, you will be disappointed.  As a newbie there
> are only two routes that you should be on, and both
> are busy.  But it also sounds like your
> mountaineering skills are low.  For that I would
> strongly suggest taking a mountaineering course.  If
> you want to spend your money and get a bigger
> return, take a mountaineering course.   I recommend
> American Alpine Institute (out of Washington).  I
> have used their services twice now.  I took their
> general mountaineering course and one time was for a
> multi-pitch ice climb and I did not feel like a
> tourist doing that climb with the guide.  Instead it
> was a great learning experience. This will be a full
> approach, a few days of glacier travel experience,
> and a climb of Mt. Baker.  Then one day of rock
> climbing skills.  You will come away with a good
> basic knowledge and a fun climb/experience to boot.
>
>   The next step would be a guided climb of Mt.
> Rainier, or tagging on with a VERY experienced group
> for a harder climb.  Mountain climbing takes a big
> time investment to be safe.  If you aren't willing
> to do this, they you should go with a larger guided
> group.
>
>   John
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>   From: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:SFCMC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob
> Sams
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:13 PM
> To: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: CMC: Mt. Rainier guide company
> experiences?
>
>
>
>     Sandra,
> Take my advice as you may, but I don't suggest using
> a guide service to ascend any mountain.
> Take all the classes you can, read books, gain
> experience on peaks and terrain that you're
> comfortable with and then climb unguided.
> Being a competent member of a climbing team,
> bringing skill and experience, makes you a climber.
> Hiring a guide makes you a tourist.
> Of course we all have the right to climb in whatever
> way we see fit, as long as we're not ruining it for
> others.
> Cheers!
> Jacob
>
>   On Jan 13, 2008 2:24 PM, Sandra Niehaus
> <sniehaus@...> wrote:
>             Hi,
> I'm a newbie planning to climb Mt. Rainier this
> summer, and wondering if anyone's ever gone up with
> either Rainier Mountaineering, Inc. or Alpine
> Ascents International and could share their
> experience with me.  The two companies appear
> equally qualified, but they offer very different
> experiences. One big difference is that AAI starts
> up the mountain much earlier than RMI to avoid the
> crowds.
>
> I'd also appreciate input on routes up. I may be new
> to mountaineering, but I'm athletic and competitive
> enough that I don't want a "Disneyland" experience.
> The most common route sounds so easy and crowded I
> think I'd be disappointed.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice!
> --Sandra
>
>
> Sandra Niehaus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Oakes Christopher
Sent: Jan 13, 2008 7:08 PM
To: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: CMC: Mt. Rainier guide company experiences?

ok so my experience is dated.  RMI taught a 5 day ice class with a summit in 1986.  I don't know if they still do that but it was worth the money.  I had a great time, learned about safety, summitted, met some nice people, all that I expected.

 

For the wilderness experience or sense of adventure of whatever, if you are not familiar with big mountains with large glacial cravasses, don't try this alone.  Either find somebody who has done it a lot of times before, or make some new friends and take a class.

 

John Lechmanik <j_lechmanik@yahoo.com> wrote:

A few years ago (prior to breaking foot) I organized and lead a climb of Mt. Rainier.  Mount Rainer is a serious undertaking.   As a newbie (I'm assuming you have general skills here, if not, see next paragraph)climbing with one of the guided groups it's a great experience.  AND a safe one which is more important.  Both RMI and AAI have good reputations on the mountain.  BUT it will be a "cattle drive" type of experience. They won't take pure beginners on harder climbs because it isn't safe.  The guides do a lot of trail work getting the trail up Mt. Rainer well marked so when the weather turns bad up there (very frequent) it is safer.

 

Yes Rainier is very crowded, and not just with the guides.  If you are looking for nice wilderness climb, you will be disappointed.  As a newbie there are only two routes that you should be on, and both are busy.  But it also sounds like your mountaineering skills are low.  For that I would strongly suggest taking a mountaineering course.  If you want to spend your money and get a bigger return, take a mountaineering course.   I recommend American Alpine Institute (out of Washington).  I have used their services twice now.  I took their general mountaineering course and one time was for a multi-pitch ice climb and I did not feel like a tourist doing that climb with the guide.  Instead it was a great learning experience. This will be a full approach, a few days of glacier travel experience, and a climb of Mt. Baker.  Then one day of rock climbing skills.  You will come away with a good basic knowledge and a fun climb/experience to boot. 

 

The next step would be a guided climb of Mt. Rainier, or tagging on with a VERY experienced group for a harder climb.  Mountain climbing takes a big time investment to be safe.  If you aren't willing to do this, they you should go with a larger guided group.

 

John

---

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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:13 PM
To: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CMC: Mt. Rainier guide company experiences?

Sandra,
Take my advice as you may, but I don't suggest using a guide service to ascend any mountain.
Take all the classes you can, read books, gain experience on peaks and terrain that you're comfortable with and then climb unguided.
Being a competent member of a climbing team, bringing skill and experience, makes you a climber. Hiring a guide makes you a tourist.
Of course we all have the right to climb in whatever way we see fit, as long as we're not ruining it for others.
Cheers!
Jacob

On Jan 13, 2008 2:24 PM, Sandra Niehaus <sniehaus@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I'm a newbie planning to climb Mt. Rainier this summer, and wondering if anyone's ever gone up with either Rainier Mountaineering, Inc. or Alpine Ascents International and could share their experience with me.  The two companies appear equally qualified, but they offer very different experiences. One big difference is that AAI starts up the mountain much earlier than RMI to avoid the crowds.

I'd also appreciate input on routes up. I may be new to mountaineering, but I'm athletic and competitive enough that I don't want a "Disneyland" experience. The most common route sounds so easy and crowded I think I'd be disappointed.

Thanks in advance for any advice!
--Sandra


Sandra Niehaus

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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:03:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@...>
Subject: Mt. Olympus, Olympic National Park
To: Steven Randall Thaw <steven_thaw@...>

Hi All,

This is a trip anouncement to climb Mount Olympus 7,980' in Olympic National Park

the week of August 4-8 Monday- Friday.

From the 500' trailhead, a two day 18 mile approach along the Hoh River Valley to Glacier Meadow (4,200'), third day the summit climb, and days 4 & 5 return to the cars.

Gear required includes: Helmet, Harness, belay device, 2 large locking carabiners, ice ax,

crampons, rope, and five days of food.

I will be requesting a permit for 6 persons July 5th.

Best,

Steve

925-376-3380

Moraga 

 

 

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Hi Steve,

 

I would be interested in this climb- I visited Olympic last summer and was amazed by the mountain and vowed to climb it one day.  I am a recent provisional member of CMC so I don't really know anybody in the club.  Thanks for arranging the trip.

 

Doug

 

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Bay Area Veterinary Specialists

14790 Washington Avenue

San Leandro, CA 94578

510.483.7387

----- Original Message ----
From: Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@yahoo.com>
To: sfcmc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:23:12 AM
Subject: CMC: Fwd: Mt. Olympus, Olympic National Park

Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:03:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Mt. Olympus, Olympic National Park
To: Steven Randall Thaw <steven_thaw@ yahoo.com>

Hi All,

This is a trip anouncement to climb Mount Olympus 7,980' in Olympic National Park

the week of August 4-8 Monday- Friday.

From the 500' trailhead, a two day 18 mile approach along the Hoh River Valley to Glacier Meadow (4,200'), third day the summit climb, and days 4 & 5 return to the cars.

Gear required includes: Helmet, Harness, belay device, 2 large locking carabiners, ice ax,

crampons, rope, and five days of food.

I will be requesting a permit for 6 persons July 5th.

Best,

Steve

925-376-3380

Moraga 

 

 

Looking down from near the summit to the Forth of July route, Early Summer Route and the Snow Dome!

   

 

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--- In SFCMC@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Niehaus" <sniehaus@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm a newbie planning to climb Mt. Rainier this summer, and
wondering if
> anyone's ever gone up with either Rainier Mountaineering, Inc. or
Alpine
> Ascents International and could share their experience with me.
The two
> companies appear equally qualified, but they offer very different
> experiences. One big difference is that AAI starts up the mountain
much
> earlier than RMI to avoid the crowds.
>
> I'd also appreciate input on routes up. I may be new to
mountaineering, but
> I'm athletic and competitive enough that I don't want
a "Disneyland"
> experience. The most common route sounds so easy and crowded I
think I'd be
> disappointed.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice!
> --Sandra
>
>
> Sandra Niehaus
>
> <http://www.wd4roi.com>
>
Sandra
In regards to your questioning of RMI: Myself and six other clients
enjoyed RMI's services on a successful seven day Rainier summit trip
July of '06. The three guides were quite articulate, helpful and
very patient. We ascended via the Ingraham Galcier route. We saw no
other climbers the first four days. Now, on the way down we passed
by the the "Muir" cats (the vast crowd at Camp Muir who raised their
heads to peer at out passing). I am signed up for an April seven day
Mt Baker Denali Prep course with AAI; they seem to check out.
chad, hanford

Hi Sandra,



I have climbed Mt. Rainier Emmons Glacier route back in 2004 with
Cascade Alpine Guides. I picked them because they were one of the few
guide company climbing the Emmons glacier at that time.  This route is
less popular than the Ingraham Glacier route so that means fewer
climbers.    Despite the cold and winding summit, I was pleased with
there service.



I have used Alpine Ascents International for a 6-day mountaineering
course on Mt. Baker in 2005, which include crevasse rescue training.
This is essential if you're planning on climbing Mt Rainier or similar
mountains. The guides were knowledge and patient with us.   I have
looked at RMI courses as well, but got a better feeling with AAI.  Hope
this helps.



-Robert

________________________________

From: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SFCMC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sandra Niehaus
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:25 PM
To: SFCMC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CMC: Mt. Rainier guide company experiences?



Hi,
I'm a newbie planning to climb Mt. Rainier this summer, and wondering if
anyone's ever gone up with either Rainier Mountaineering, Inc. or Alpine
Ascents International and could share their experience with me.  The two
companies appear equally qualified, but they offer very different
experiences. One big difference is that AAI starts up the mountain much
earlier than RMI to avoid the crowds.

I'd also appreciate input on routes up. I may be new to mountaineering,
but I'm athletic and competitive enough that I don't want a "Disneyland"
experience. The most common route sounds so easy and crowded I think I'd
be disappointed.

Thanks in advance for any advice!
--Sandra


Sandra Niehaus

<http://www.wd4roi.com>



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Hi Steve:
Please reserve a spot for me and for Simone.
Thanks!
Dave.

--- Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@...> wrote:

> Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@...> wrote:  Date:
> Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:03:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@...>
> Subject: Mt. Olympus, Olympic National Park
> To: Steven Randall Thaw <steven_thaw@...>
>
>   Hi All,
>   This is a trip anouncement to climb Mount Olympus
> 7,980' in Olympic National Park
>   the week of August 4-8 Monday- Friday.
>   From the 500' trailhead, a two day 18 mile
> approach along the Hoh River Valley to Glacier
> Meadow (4,200'), third day the summit climb, and
> days 4 & 5 return to the cars.
>   Gear required includes: Helmet, Harness, belay
> device, 2 large locking carabiners, ice ax,
>   crampons, rope, and five days of food.
>   I will be requesting a permit for 6 persons July
> 5th.
>   Best,
>   Steve
>   925-376-3380
>   Moraga
>
>
>
> Looking down from near the summit to the Forth of
> July route, Early Summer Route and the Snow Dome!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Well to all of you who took the extra gear off my hands, I hope you are
enjoying it :-)

But I have a few ice screws left.....

(2) 22 cm, (1) 17cm, and (2) 13cm.  These are Black Diamond, Express
screws.  Like new (some may actually be unused) and they do NOT have
the cranks.   $15 each.

E-mail me direct (please keep this off the list) if you are interested.


Also I realized I have a LOT of rock/mountain guide books.  I'll be
putting these up on the list as soon as I get a chance :-)

John

I love replying to myself.....

The ice screws have been taken, sorry to anybody who was too slow.....

John

Okay here is the list.....

 

Collector books....

 

American Alpine Club Climbers Guide to Tahquitz and Suicide Rocks by Chuck Wilts

Sixth Edition 1979

$5

 

A Sierra Club  Tote Book  Climber's Guide to Yosemite Valley by Steve Roper

Second Printing 1972

$5

 

A Sierra Club Tote Book  The Climber's Guide to the High Sierra by Steve Roper

1976

$5

 

 

Regular Guide Books

 

Climber's Guide to Tahoe Rock by Mike Carville

1991

$10

 

A Falcon Guide  Rock Climbing Lake Tahoe by Mike Carville

1999

$10  (Retail $25)

 

Super Topo South Lake Tahoe Climbing by Chris McNamara

2004

$10

 

Rock Climbs of Cosumnes River Gorge 1997  by William H. Cottrell

$2  (Retail $13.95)

 

Sport Climbers Guide to the Castle Rock Area by Caunt & Morris

1992

$2  (Retail $10.95)

 

Climber's Guide Pinnacles National Monument Second Edition by David Rubine

2002

$10  (Retail $25)

 

A Climbers Guide to Joshua Tree National Monument by Wolfe and Dominick

1976

$5

 

A Falcon Guide Rock Climbing Tuolumne Meadows by Reid and Falkenstein

1992

$8  (Retail $20)

 

A Falcon Guide Rock Climbing Yosemite Free Climbs by Don Reid

1998

$10  (Retail $25)

 

Alpine Select (Climbs in the Southwest BC and Northern Washington) by Kevin McLane

2001

$10  (Retail $25.95)

 

Selkirk's South by David Jones (Selkirk's are in BC)

2001

$10  (Retail $35.95)

 

The Climbers Guide to Squamish (BC) by Kevin McLane

2001

$10

 

Selected Climbs in the Cascades Volume II by Nelson and Potterfield  (The Mountaineers)

2000

$10

 

Selected Climbs in the Cascades by Nelson and Potterfield) (The Mountaineers)

2000

$10

 

Exit 38 Rock Climb s by Garth Bruce (Off Exit 38 on Interstate 90 in Washington, mostly sport climbs)

2002

$10  (Retail $24.95)

 

How-To Books

 

Ice and Mixed Climbing:Modern Technique by Will Gadd (The Mountaineers)

2003

$10  (Retail $22.95)

 

 

Any way that's it.  Feel free to ask questions about the books.    Of course deals can be made for large groups :-)

 

John

 

 

 

Doug Rohn (San Leandro), Charles Martin (just moved to Danville) & me. 

Hi Steve:
Please reserve a spot for me and for Simone.
Thanks!
Dave.

--- Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@yahoo.com> wrote: Date:
> Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:03:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steve Thaw <steven_thaw@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Mt. Olympus, Olympic National Park
> To: Steven Randall Thaw <steven_thaw@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All,
> This is a trip anouncement to climb Mount Olympus
> 7,980' in Olympic National Park
> the week of August 4-8 Monday- Friday.
> From the 500' trailhead, a two day 18 mile
> approach along the Hoh River Valley to Glacier
> Meadow (4,200'), third day the summit climb, and
> days 4 & 5 return to the cars.
> Gear required includes: Helmet, Harness, belay
> device, 2 large locking carabiners, ice ax,
> crampons, rope, and five days of food.
> I will be requesting a permit for 6 persons July
> 5th.
> Best,
> Steve
> 925-376-3380
> Moraga
>
>
>
> Looking down from near the summit to the Forth of
> July route, Early Summer Route and the Snow Dome!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> fast with Yahoo! Search.

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