BobK,

I have read the article on abortion in Reuters that you passed along. It's,
indeed, a very tragic situation for women.

Deodet



--- In CITAALasVegas@yahoogroups.com, Robert Kiamco <bobkiamco@...> wrote:
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> Alex,
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> Do not worry about abortion being the next step for Filipina mothers....if RH
bill is passed.
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> Right now over 53% of the 3.1 million births in the Philippines are
unwanted/unplanned. The pregnant women are already doing abortions by hundreds
of thousands....using homemade concoctions and the like. If you google "abortion
in Phillipines", you will find many infos about this. It is estimated that over
400,000 abortions are done in the Philippines and it will get worse if the
"church" has its way.
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> Here is a website that tells some story!
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> http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSMAN29804620070905
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> I can recite to you the many false premises that the Vatican had promoted the
last 100 years. But it would not make one iota of difference to the "Catholics"
like you. This is your faith and I respect it.
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> Rather than dig our heels and agrue about things we will never agree on, let
us instead join hands and band together on things we can agree...like
scholarships, building classrooms, etc.in the Philippines.
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> Let us help these people so that less and less will be forced to go overseas
and leave their families for years at a time thereby setting the stage for the
"family distruction" which the Filipinos pride themselves.
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> We have that opportunity this coming Saturday at Lee's home. Let us support
him in his efforts to do something for the Filipinos.
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> Peace.
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> BobK
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> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:30:50 +0000
> From: xlizxben@...
> To: bobkiamco@...
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> Subject: Re: [CITAALasVegas] Cardinal Vidal on ther RH bill
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> Bob,
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> Based from "Answers.com" RH 17 reads as follows:
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> "House Bill No. 17 authored by Rep. Edcel Lagman, also known as the proposed
"Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008," will cover the
following areas:
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> information and access to natural and modern family planning;
> maternal, infant and child health and nutrition;
> promotion of breast feeding;
> prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications;
> adolescent and youth health; prevention and management of reproductive tract
infections, HIV/AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases;
> elimination of violence against women; counseling on sexuality and sexual and
reproductive health;
> treatment of breast and reproductive tract cancers;
> male involvement and participation in reproductive health;
> prevention and treatment of infertility; and
> reproductive health education for the youth.
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> Rep. Edcel Lagman, however, says that the bill does not have any bias for or
against either natural or modern family planning. Both modes are contraceptive
methods with a common purpose of preventing pregnancies".
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> Now it looks like the proposed bill is very desirable for every Filipino
family. However, take a closer look on the first item. Natural and modern
family planning means that whatever birth control methods would be readily
available to the public. Things such as condoms, tampons, birth control pills,
will be given as freebies and then the Satanic act of abortion would be the next
fad.
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> You know, we pride ourselves to be the only country in Southeast Asia that is
predominantly Catholic. But "Cafeteria Catholicism" is destroying the fabric of
our society. People like to be called "Roman Catholics" but I guess only a few
know how it is to be one.
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> Just to remind you the Catechism of the Catholic Church section CCC 2370
explains:
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> "Every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its
accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes,
whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible is
intrinsically evil".
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> Another source, the Humane Vitae defines contraception as "every action which,
in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the
development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a
means, to render procreation impossible" (14). Such an action actively
eliminates or withholds the procreative good of the marital act. This is sinful
because "every marriage act must remain open to the transmission of life" (11).
Since one of the two ends of sexual intercourse is procreation (the other being
unity between husband and wife, 12), engaging in sex while deliberately
frustrating the procreative end is, as Pope John Paul II has repeatedly called
it, "a lie in the language of the body."
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Kiamco" <bobkiamco@...>
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> Subject: RE: [CITAALasVegas] Cardinal Vidal on ther RH bill
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> AAA,
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> I am not a constitution scholar but I think since the Philippine constitution
has similar basic framework like the US, then it follows that:
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> Separation of Church and State is provided.
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> Why is it that the Catholic leaders insist to impose their beliefs that "no
artificial" birth control method be used by every Filipino? Irregarless of ones
religion/belief? They have every right to teach that doctrine to their
members...who happen to be the majority of the country. However, the government
has the duty to provide the minority guarantee that their rights and choices are
not trampled..... even by the majority.
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> For the Catholic leaders to impose their "will" on every Filipino is no
different than those Mullahs of the Talibans that mandate every woman must wear
"Burka". Is this fair?
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> The non-Catholics should have the right to chose which family planning method
to use.
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> Why are these leaders afraid of giving the Filipinos their freedom of choice?
Do they think they are the only ones who's got the brains or are capable of
proper choice?
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> Why are they afraid if the government passes a law that allow "freedom" of
choice for everyone? The bills being considered do not require priests to use
condom?...or distribute contraceptives?...or change their "gosphels'?
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> BobK
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> To: ang_kapatiran@yahoogroups.com; iiee_ncc@...; IIEE-Mactan@yahoogroups.com;
iiee7_cebuchapter@...; iiee-7@yahoogroups.com; pinocchio2000@yahoogroups.com;
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> From: nonet_aaa@...
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:07:42 -0700
> Subject: [CITAALasVegas] Cardinal Vidal on ther RH bill
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> Brethren,
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> Below is a sharing with Cardinal Vidal,during the ASC(Archdiocesan Service
Committee)meeting on the RH Bill.
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> God bless!
> AAA
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> A PEP TALK OF HIS EMINENCE RICARDO J.
> CARDINAL VIDAL TO THE LEADERS OF CATHOLIC CHARISMATIC COMMUNITIES OF CEBU
> DURING A SURPRISE VISIT AT THE FILIPINIANA ROOM OF THE CARDINAL'S RESIDENCE
> WHERE THE LEADERS ARE HAVING THEIR MONTHLY ASC MEETING ON
> OCTOBER 26, 2007. THE CARDINAL
> ARRIVED AT AROUND 7:30 IN THE EVENING
> TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING.
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> FE BARINO:
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> Good evening Your Eminence. We are talking about the RH Bill.
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> CARDINAL VIDAL:
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> You must be hungry
> already? I am asking because I
> have finished my dinner. That's why I can come.
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> Well anyway, I have ordered to put
> up explanation why we object to the RH Bill.
> It has to be placed in all the parishes. I told our Pastoral Planning
> Board to put an enumeration, because so many parishes have not explained
> exactly why we object. They think that,
> as an item in the newspaper said, we are making RH Bill a hostage. A hostage?
Did you kidnap? A hostage kuno.
>
> But we have to understand also that
> when it comes to immorality, even if you make it legal, we cannot follow. We
have the obligation to tell the people
> that these things cannot be done without damaging your own consciences. So,
you cannot stop us from preaching or
> counselling or advising at the confessional about these matters. That if the
bill will become a law, even we,
> can no longer exercise our ministry because we will be penalized.
>
> Therefore we cannot anymore function as a
> priest. I do not know why they are not
> paying attention to that. So we are being deprived of our ministry. And I
told them, wala na kami, magiging jobless na kami, if that is the
> case. It is the most difficult and
> important ministry of the priest - to preach, to counsel and to hear
> confession. If anybody would deprive us of that, I do not know if there is a
> bishop who will not object.
>
> That is why when I was asked by the
> media why am I condemning Noynoy, I said I never condemned anybody.
> I said that when Noynoy was launching his candidacy, one thing that I could
> say is, at least, he came from a good
> family. Di ba? He was brought up as a
> good Christian. He was brought up a very Christian education all his life.
But when I found out that he was a co-author.
> I was very disappointed. Only that. `Yan lang ang sinabi ko. And when he
came to Cebu, the newspaper said, "I snubbed him". How can that be? When they
gave me their
> time, they gave me time that I am not in the city - at 1 o'clock in the
afternoon or at 9
> o'clock in the evening. I When I gave
> them my time at 3pm, that I might be
> home at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, they
> said they have no time. But then they
> published that "I have no time". So I contacted Balsy, the former secretary of
> the President. I told her "Balsy, you know me, I did not condemn anybody,
neither did I
> condemn your brother. But if you want to
> see me, I would be in Manila
> from 5 to 7 in November. And you have more time to see me there because I will
> be attending all the meetings of the commission where I belong now." I am a
new commissioner now.. Commission on
> Rehabilitation sa storm. I did not like
> to join this. I joked the
> President: "Your Excellency, why do you want me to join? I do not know how
> to make kwenta."
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> Jun Quibranza: Hindi pala tama that this issue is ...
> separation of church and state? That's wrong? We cannot be accused of
separation of church and state?
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> We cannot, because what they are
> doing is - they are doing something to us.
> We have not done anything to them. But they are the ones who are
> touching on our things in the church. What are we going to do? If they are
going to destroy my house, would
> I not protest? Di ba?
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> When in Manila I was asked, "your conclusions are
> far-fetched". I said, "I think I still know my logic." The consequence is,
they did not consider,
> the consequences are the ones far-fetched.
> See?
>
> I hope all of us will agree with the
> church. Otherwise, we will not be able
> to hear confession. Imagine! Even me, I
> might be forced to provide condoms in my office. Yes. Because if I don't ....
> the church will come. I cannot even tell
> you go to the doctor and ask for advice - I must provide. So I must provide
with contraceptives. Therefore my office will be loaded with
> condoms and contraceptives. Pambihira naman!
> You see? Where is the separation of
> church and state?
>
> I don't know how they are thinking.
> I told them I'm just laying all the cards now before you, for your
> consideration. If you do not want to listen, Well, I have to go to the
people. Remember? Election time na? Election time na?
>
> And then they told me, Why did you
> say to the media "Don't vote for Noynoy".
> Nonsense. Because if that is the
> case, I will be accused with partisanship.
>
> It must be the people's
> understanding on this matter. Otherwise our C-Cimpel will lose its credibility
> and therefore our participation will be cancelled. See?
>
> I hope, my dear, you will follow the
> church in this case. Tell all your
> communities which you belong, please tell them I am very much concerned about
> this issue.
>
> Because when I came to Manila I was together
> with Congressman Tony Cuenco. He told
> me "Cardinal, I assure you I will fight against it. Next session they will
> introduce it again." Next session November 9, I think, they will resume the
> session and introduce the same bill and they will railroad it especially by
> shortening the discussion. Yes. And then they go straight to votation. And
you know naman in votation... and there
> are something under it.
>
> You know, so many things are
> happening today... and the Lord is calling our attention with all these
> typhoons that are happening to us. Yes. It is terrible. There is another
typhoon coming according to
> `Kuya Kim". (laughter) And it is lower.
> It will strike Mindanao. And if it will strike
> Mindanao, it will pass by Cebu.
>
> So we have to pray again the Oratio
> Imperata so that we will be spared. See,
> after the CBCP issued an Oratio Imperata,
> you see Ramil went away. But you
> know, the problem with these typhoons now - they return! They like the
Phippines. When they asked "How was the typhoon in your
> place?" The answer was – "Very
> successful." So many were destroyed.
>
> I hope my dear, that you try to pray
> hard, tell your communities to pray
> hard. At the same time, be with the church in this matter. Thank you.
>
>
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> FE BARINO:
> Your Eminence, for your information, this afternoon, there is a meeting
> going on now with Congressman Cuenco, Congressman Montemayor, the Pro-life
Task
> Force for Family and Life together with
> Mindanao group, because we are forging a
> Task Force for Family and Life here in
> Cebu. I think Dr. Rene has informed you
> about this, and we are coming out with a presentation to educate people - the
> communities and parishes. Just before
> you came, it is really a confirmation from the Holy Spirit that we really have
> to move now, I am asking everyone to
> send a representative so that we can train them how to educate the people as
> much as we can especially at this time,
> before election would come. So,
> that is what we are doing for the church right now, Your Eminence.
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> Very good! I trust your leadership.
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> I will bless you now.
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